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« on: February 10, 2010, 06:56:53 PM »
HAHAHA! "Family Doctor"! :roll:  I think that sign on the building might have been added in Photoshop, because of the shadows around it... It just doesn't look like a real sign to me. So the photo might have been taken outside a random building, and the sign added in. I do think, though, that there's something odd about the TMZ - National Photo Group - MJ triangle. I can't figure it out, just as I can't figure out the "other day" thing!!
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« on: February 10, 2010, 06:41:13 PM »
That IS a good catch, but I don't see where MJ could sit in order to be reflected there... I don't think it's possible for anyone in the audience to be reflected on that screen. So I think it's just a small picture of MJ superimposed on the larger one. It's strange, though... Sometimes I think some people are trying to make things look like a hoax -- maybe because it keeps people interested and it's good business? :?
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« on: February 10, 2010, 06:26:51 PM »
I don't think a body switch is likely, because MJ was probably identified by more than comparison to his driver's license (I would find that dubious!) and moreover the autopsy report identified discoloration on the body due to vitiligo. An impersonator would probably not have that?!
Regarding the fact that TMZ released the autopsy report:
There's a video somewhere on mjtruthnow.com about the "medialoid" that says that tabloids have sources inside the police - and possibly other institutions. I recall reading that TMZ gets "scoops" precisely because it has connections in the right places and pays to get info (even someone on this forum said that)... I find that plausible.
Sorry, I think this is the real deal. :cry:
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« on: February 10, 2010, 06:07:19 PM »
I found this on page 14 of the report:
"There is a dark skin discoloration resembling a tattoo on the anterior half of the scalp."
It's in the section about scars/tattoos, and I think those of you who didn't find this were looking at a different section, which talked about abnormalities (which probably means something else).
Maybe this is the scar left from the 1984 Pepsi burning incident?
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« on: February 09, 2010, 01:47:20 PM »
I agree, mjkidsmum! That's why I'm sticking around too. I was shocked by the amount of propofol too, as well as the 3 IVs in Michael's body. One of them was in the neck, and apparently it's very painful to inject someone in the neck! I'm not sure if that's a normal way of injecting propofol, but it would be great to find out. (I couldn't find an answer on the Internet.) Michael's body seemed terribly abused, and that is making me suspect murder. Also, Kai Chase said MJ was intent on eating and staying healthy, and while she did see Murray's oxygen tank(s) and wondered about it/them, she didn't see signs of MJ being medicated/on drugs or suffering from insomnia. That's bewildering to me... how this health-conscious man could suddenly become a needle-ridden drug addict at night! That would certainly be seen in someone's everyday behavior (getting up late, being dizzy/foggy, not recalling things etc)? MJ always seemed mentally sharp to me...
At this point I'm willing to look at everything that doesn't make sense, regardless of the direction in which it points: hoax or non-hoax. What matters is the truth, and we're all in this together!
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« on: February 09, 2010, 01:19:48 PM »
Haha, it *could* be that MJ was taking mental notes! I think that he had a sense (premonition) that he wouldn't live too long, just because of the kind of life he'd had - he was a workaholic who kept going and going, giving it his all ever since age 5. And maybe he wanted to give instructions to his family on what to do if he died!  I did feel that the memorial and funeral were Michael's vision, and if he did pass away then he might have suggested certain things to his family sometime ago. What surprises me is that he apparently hasn't updated his will since 2002... If the will we heard of is even accurate! :roll: I oscillate between thinking that Michael was very much in control of his life and thinking he wasn't... There probably existed both kinds of times. People could easily forge his signature and later convince him (if he was on some medication) that he'd signed the docs himself! I often wondered how exactly he got pushed into doing 50 concerts! I only see 2 possible explanations: 1. Blackmail - no way out. 2. Forged signature and taking advantage of the fact that MJ might have been medicated and foggy at times.
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« on: February 09, 2010, 12:53:33 PM »
@ mirandacnc:
1. Are you referring to the video in which CM thanked his "fans"? :roll: Or the photo-op at FL? :roll: I think they're both ridiculous and utterly infuriating if MJ is really dead! :evil:
2. The article is interesting, but I think we shouldn't read too much into it. MJ had a brilliant and very inquisitive mind, and was interested in many things! And according to Rabbi Schmuley and LMP, he did think about his own mortality quite a bit. He also hinted in an interview with Barbara Walters that he had psychic powers... at least to some extent. So I think death/(im)mortality was a fascination and something he thought about - especially considering his stature and legacy. There are many hints that he wanted to leave an imprint on the world (such as the quote about binding his soul to his work to escape death, and the idea that "great art never dies")... I also recall that on one occasion when MJ spoke out against Sony he remarked that all great artists have sad endings - because of exploitation by the record companies. I think he kept wondering what kind of ending his own life would have, and what he would leave behind. That would also explain the urgency/drive he seems to have felt... He was a man on a mission! So um, that's my take on this.
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« on: February 09, 2010, 12:26:44 PM »
Yeah... I don't mean to be a downer, but I identify with the opinion expressed here: You are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login I think that AEG pushed MJ very hard, and that caused him to resort to painkillers and other drugs just to keep going. I don't believe Michael was in great shape at all... While he might have been excited about the shows, I noticed a certain fatigue/weakness in him while watching TII. The movie was quite sad for me, because I thought Michael looked frail! That would also explain why we see 7 outfits (that's the number, I believe?) out of what were supposed to be 100+ hours of rehearsal footage. As the writer of the above article says, the footage had to be carefully edited so as to present a certain image of Michael. And MJ's weight *matters* because he was going to lose a significant amount over the duration of the 50 (!) shows, and he was already very thin! The only scenario I could envision was physical collapse/exhaustion. While I still think there are many unanswered questions and oddities out there (and I so want to believe in the hoax!) I've started to ponder the real and painful way in which MJ might have died. It's truly heart-breaking! :cry: A possible explanation for the lack of a name on MJ's resting place: I think his family might have wanted, symbolically, for him not to have an address anymore, not to be reachable anymore. "Leave Me Alone", that sort of message... But of course that doesn't explain why we don't see the family visiting or other things. I'm not sure what the Jehovah's Witnesses philosophy is, but maybe they believe the body is merely a shell and someone's essence isn't necessarily remembered or celebrated by visiting their graves? That would also explain why they try to focus on, and celebrate, Michael's legacy. I am, however, still surprised at some of their reactions/remarks after MJ died, even if they anticipated something like this happening. Real pain has a way of seeping through any other emotion that one might feel, and is not something that can be held back. It's always etched on people's faces - no need to say "this is hard", the way Jermaine did when announcing the death of the "King of Pop". And Joe's "accept what, Larry?" was shocking! :shock: Whatever happened on June 25, it looks very fishy.
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« on: February 09, 2010, 07:02:56 AM »
I know the timeline has been discussed before, but I'm not sure if this particular thing said by Kai has been mentioned: Murray typically came down to the kitchen around 10-10:30, to get MJ's juices and deliver them to him. On June 25, he didn't... He only appeared downstairs sometime around 12-12:10, screaming and telling her to "go get Prince" and "call security". This raises the following points:
1. MJ must have been typically awake by 10-10:30? I would assume so, given that the kids had breakfast around 9 AM and had lunch with their father, according to Kai, around 12:30. And in any case, MJ should have been up by lunchtime?! This raises other questions:
Given that MJ got home around 1 AM the night of June 25 and tried to sleep, did he fail to fall asleep until the morning? And at that point he still wanted to sleep, knowing that the kids had breakfast at 9 and he had rehearsals later that day?! What time did MJ allegedly ask for the propofol and had it administered? What time did MJ stop breathing? The reports I read about Murray's behavior (incl. his insistence not to declare MJ dead and instead take him to hospital) suggest that Michael might have been dead when Murray discovered him, and it was impossible to revive him... and Murray, who might have fallen asleep during that night or that morning, just wanted to clear his tracks and avoid liability.
2. Why, on that particular day, did Murray not come downstairs at the usual time? That makes me believe that, as mentioned above, he might have dozed off/fallen asleep. After all, he was supposed to be working night shifts (watching over MJ at night) and that might have got tiring. But then again, when did he administer the propofol? Was there a system set up where propofol could just pour into MJ at some intervals? Sometimes periodic doses are administered over the course of several hours... Is that what Murray did, or was there one dose? I believe it was the former, given the 3 IVs inserted into MJ's body. (Very disturbing!) If Murray started administering the propofol after 10 AM, I consider that very suspicious given that Michael was supposed to be up at that time!
The whole timeline is strange to me, and I believe that Murray either had the intention to kill MJ or otherwise was criminally irresponsible/reckless. I mean, administering propofol in a non-clinical setting without proper equipment and supervision in itself is outrageous!! What was CM thinking?! Even if a patient were to ask for propofol, you shouldn't just say, as a doctor, "You got it, buddy. It'll probably kill you, but I'll do anything for you."
The autopsy report says that rigor mortis hadn't set in as of 6 PM on June 25, which confused me because it's supposed to set in around 3 hours after death (acc. to Wikipedia - not sure if accurate). If a better informed person can approximate the time MJ passed away, I think it would be helpful.
As you must have noticed, I'm operating on the assumption that MJ isn't alive anymore and we need to dig up the truth. If you want me to get off of the forum, just tell me and I'll go.
Take care. I really admire and respect all your work and dedication!
PS: Murray going to FL was unbelievable to me! If I had killed MJ, even accidentally, I would *want* to go to jail b/c I'd feel tremendous guilt and don't think I could live with myself. CM is really sketchy... all the more so if this is not a hoax!
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« on: February 09, 2010, 06:15:36 AM »
Hi everyone:
I am new here - though I have followed this forum for a long time, believing (like most/all of you) that Michael was still alive. In light of recent developments, however, I've started to believe that he really has died, and that we should *follow the money* if we want to find out the truth. Joe recently dropped some names on LKL... Thome and Dileo. I think that was quite daring on his part, and I personally always found those two men suspicious. Mafia types, you know. It's also interesting that a lot, if not all, of the "bad guys" came into MJ's life (or re-entered his life) in the last few months before June.
Some questions I consider important: Why was Kai Chase, the chef, let go for only 3 weeks (between May and June)? She found Michael in an altered state upon returning... He was thinner/weaker and told her something along the lines of "these people are killing me" (implying he was doing strenuous rehearsals) and "I need you to keep me healthy"? How could someone who was so health-conscious and didn't abuse medication/pills allow Murray to pour so much Propofol into him? It MUST have been more than 25 mg... I've read up on this. And there were 3 IVs in MJ's body: 1 in his neck and 2 in his legs! :shock: The autopsy report says MJ clearly didn't self-administer himself the propofol. Who really hired and paid for Murray, and is now covering his legal fees? (I believe it's AEG.) Who owns AEG? Who owns the insurance policies re: the canceling of the concerts? Who made money off of TII? What's the role of Randy Phillips, or even Kenny Ortega? What if people who appear to be "good guys" are not that good? Why has Ortega been so damn smiley and cheerful ever since MJ passed away? I know you're all assuming that MJ is alive and taking a lot of the oddities as "clues", but what if Michael has really died (certainly killed by a combination of factors) and we've blinded ourselves to the implications because we prefer to think that "he's alive and will be back"? Does this attitude even honor MJ? Isn't it a bit selfish, a bit more about US than about HIM?
Michael has given his entire life to the music and the fans... And the fans were part of the problem, since they were the reason Michael got mobbed everywhere he went!! MJ wrote in "Moonwalk" that he sometimes got crazy letters from disturbed fans making crazy allegations that made it impossible for him to sleep at night. Everyone always wanted a piece of him, and felt they were entitled to it! I find that wrong, and that's why I choose to respect and love this incredible man from a distance, not asking of anything more from him... Even if he's alive. I hope he's in a better place where he can finally rest away from all the craziness. And I hope the "yellow brick road" will lead to truth and justice. For that to happen, though, I believe we need to follow a trail away from butterflies and Opus images and the color blue and no. 7... "Money is the root of all evil", remember?
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« on: February 09, 2010, 04:35:59 AM »
MJ is not a party to this case - hence no need (or possibility) for him to be represented by anyone. The case is indeed a criminal one, and would have to be named The People v. Conrad Murray.
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