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« on: December 27, 2012, 12:58:42 PM »
Well mr. Front....
Seems you have to start searching for another DJ for the BAM-party.. 
Funny you mention that Jos. I had detected a shift in attitude and entitlement in YM after that comment had been made. I guess Front wasn't kowtowing enough to him for his liking. An ego can be a dangerous thing...lol...smh. Not to worry though...I'm sure that there will be a looooooog line formed to fill that DJ position. :icon_lol:
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« on: December 26, 2012, 01:22:36 PM »
I LOL'd when I saw this. Wonder which "musty" "workaholic" family member they're speaking of?![]()
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« on: December 25, 2012, 04:03:48 PM »
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« on: December 23, 2012, 12:54:20 AM »
there won't be any disappointments, when there are no expectations...
So true. Seems like some are letting their personal expectations get the better of them :icon_e_sad: Funny word...expectation...it can be positive in the sense of looking forward and happily anticipating...or it can take darker meaning in the sense that one is owed something or something is demanded of another. I hope that everyone keeps their expectations in the former category because to me the latter is detrimental to ones peace of mind and not fair to Michael either.
Love4Michael, I was not letting anything get the better of me...nor I'm expecting anything any more. I had posted that for others who might be expecting Michael's Bam this year. Yesterday, I sat a while and thought about all of this, the hoax, the comeback, the revolution. And only one thing came to my mind...risk.
If Michael risked everything, dedicated decades in planning the hoax and that too for us all...I think it's our least duty to just keep waiting for him,
"Let him bathe in his own time"
til he comes back
Not any common man can fake his death so grand...not any man can make a comeback, knowing there would heck a lot of revolution. And that's not it, the RISK that is involved (life threats) after he comes back...what about that?
It was like a realization for me of how some of us were trying to speed this Bam process up...for what? Just to see Michael Back...I'm not saying the wish to see Michael back is wrong, but if you were Michael, you would have known the pains you are taking to do all of this...this is not at all a mean job...
I really want TS/Front to know that, if they have conveyed us a false Bam date (that is comeback within 2012) just to see who sticks to this hoax till the end, then you guys better know that we all are here till the very end...no one of us would lose their beliefs, no one of us can. If this is mere testing...you better stop, let us know that this is false and never give any Bam date again...
And if you've put up this Bam date for us to discover something...so be it, we are all ready to take in whatever information comes in our way.
But false dates just for 'play with us' purpose is wrong...not for me, but for the many others...who can't stop expecting (for whatever reasons they cannot let go of their expectations)
We can't tell them stop expecting, because we don't their lives and what they've been through...
So my humble request, no false dates...we are here as long as it takes...
I think you misunderstood my comment. It was not directed at you...just a general opinion of the feeling here lately. I think that one of the reasons for the short fuse some seem to have lately is from letting their expectations fall into the second type of description of the word. In essence I am in agreement with your statement. We've discovered insights into many things during the course of the last 3+ years but we still aren't privy to all of the details...only Michael and whomever he trusts hold those keys. I just think he needs a free rein to play this out as he sees fit without the nearly constant rumbling from the crowd to "hurry it up". If Front speaks for Michael in any capacity I'd say his post spoke volumes in that while the clamoring for his return is appreciated on certain levels it's also causing undue pressure. I could be wrong of course but that's how it felt to me. If we are in fact nearing the finale of this adventure...we can ill afford a sudden lack of patience to break down the whole positive flow here between members or with those who've been whispering to us for so long. Events will unfold only if and when they are supposed to...remembering that has kept me from the extremes of emotions that some of the members seem to have had to maneuver. This is of course just my opinion and likely some will disagree.
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« on: December 22, 2012, 02:53:42 PM »
there won't be any disappointments, when there are no expectations...
So true. Seems like some are letting their personal expectations get the better of them :icon_e_sad: Funny word...expectation...it can be positive in the sense of looking forward and happily anticipating...or it can take darker meaning in the sense that one is owed something or something is demanded of another. I hope that everyone keeps their expectations in the former category because to me the latter is detrimental to ones peace of mind and not fair to Michael either.
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« on: December 19, 2012, 09:35:59 PM »
LOL...maybe this is the first salvo in the soon to come barrage of all topics once declared regarding Michael being found to be false...something like...
Here...buy this jacket signed by Michael...ooopps...it's fake
Here...come see the final resting place of Michael at Forest Lawn...ooopps...he's NOT there
Etc. Etc.
Works for me anyway lol
Oh...and I do have to say that I think it's kinda cute that Michael's M looks sort of like a "heartbeat"
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« on: December 19, 2012, 08:31:57 PM »
They say (whoever the hell "they" is)...it's always the darkest before the dawn and you're always your weakest before you get strong. Whatever happens we need to remember that we are here (alive), we are strong and we are Blessed to continue our path in whatever direction it may lead. To all those struggling right now...you WILL find your way through this and set a path that's right for you. Of this I am certain.
@Front...thanks much for the Christmas wishes and I wish you and your family the most joyous of holidays. The same to all who share this special place...may all your days be Merry & Bright and may the Love of the Season enfold you and yours.
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« on: December 16, 2012, 07:25:36 PM »
What do Front's actions matter? Is he/she here every day like we are? No. Is he/she emotionally invested in the trials and tribulations of the hoax like we are? Who knows. Front showed up a year and a half ago professing to be back. I, and several others have been here for 3 and 1/2 years. Is Front back? Maybe. Maybe not. I see no point in following the lead of someone who has holding a completely one-sided relationship with us solely on his/her terms. FRIEND is not just a casual title, it is something to be earned, and someone who flitters in n out of your life with no warning or communication is not someone I would call a friend. A puppetmaster is supposed to run a game, not blithely play with people's emotions behind a curtain of false pretenses.
TS/TS_comments and Front have made it clear they play for the same team. If one is fake so are the rest. TS_comments knew what he was going to post while we were all waiting and his teammate found it AMUSING and ENTERTAINING enough to munch popcorn with a big fat grin on his face as he waited for the pieces to fall. TS_comments set me up to make a spectacle out of me in front of the entire community and Front found it entertaining and amusing.
So yeah, I'm stupid because I fell for it. I walked into a trap designed to make me look foolish. Silly me. Fine. Whatever. I learned my lesson but I'm not dumb enough to turn around and call s/he who set me up for this mockery my "friend".
@sunset, my dear, this post should answer your question for me as well.
bec...are there things going on privately that have cast you into this whirpool of negativity? I ask because in the public arena of this forum I saw no sign of that exercise making you look foolish or targeting you for mockery. It appeared to me that you were asked to compile the list because you have always been resourceful and very outspoken. If the shoe was on the other foot and you were trying to prove something....wouldn't you ask the person most likely to present the greatest challenge to give it their best shot? I really think that's all that happened in this case. You are not stupid, foolish or any of the other negative adjectives you used to describe yourself but you certainly don't seem like yourself lately and it concerns me. I hope that you are taking care of yourself and can find your way back to happy.
Think or feel however you like. Go with it, whatever "it" is. I think a lot of us feel the same as you. I'm pretty disgusted myself because it looks more n more like we are getting played, and not in a good way. The line between a prank and a deception is crossed when the target begins to break down emotionally, in my opinion. Messing with your head? You are not at all alone, not at all.
So to ALL who lurk n read here, heed UYI's words as they are reflective of more then just her own sentiments. The line is being crossed here. One might even argue that this has gone too far. Is this where we want to go with this "game"? People devote their lives to this. They pour their hearts and souls into it. If that isn't devotion I don't know what is. The breaking point is near.
The last paragraph you wrote here concerns me as well. The only thing that's changed recently has been the suggestion that truly serious measures may have had to be taken in the "how'd he do it" category of the hoax. While I get that it may be disconcerting for some to think about that possibility I don't understand why this is being labeled as "gone too far". Maybe I've missed something else specific but it seems the whole tone here has changed with the suggestion that things may not be as simplistic or antiseptic as some would prefer. This whole minefield of rabbit holes has been complex and some have contained knowledge that wasn't pleasant to think about...but it is what it is and everyone has free will to do what they feel is best for themselves in the level of participation. Devotion to Michael and his adventure is one thing...but if it comes down to feeling negative or unfulfilled because someone has "devote(d) their lives to this. They pour(ed) their hearts and souls into it." and a BAM hasn't been forthcoming...then that seems to border on obsession with the hoax itself and not so much devotion to the man behind it. Do I get frustrated...sure...can I state with 1000% certainty that we haven't been snookered...nope...but I'm confident in what I feel I've come to know over these last 3plus years...I don't let it define me...and I have total faith that if Michael is in fact still breathing oxygen...he knows what's best. Bec...I do sincerely hope that you can find peace with all of this...it would be a shame for you to stay so down in the dumps :icon_e_sad:
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« on: December 16, 2012, 02:33:50 PM »
It seemed that briefly all posters were in sync and all standing together...but after your post the thread has dissolved into mini chaos, negativity and superficial nonsense again. I liked it better when everyone was praying...there was truly a sense of unity at least then :icon_e_sad: [/b][/color]
Uh, maybe you felt that way but in my opinion, the passive-aggressive insults and thinly veiled attacks were flying faster then Sim could break them down. (That's a little joke, Sim. You should have been a lawyer. You would be a very good one.) Lots of closing posts full of subtle nastiness with "L.O.V.E." as if that makes it all ok. It doesn't make it ok to insult someone in one breath and then say "with love always" in the next. "With love" is characterized by your actions, not by holding it up as a shield to throw rocks from behind.
Ps. some of us don't have a god to pray to.
Unfortunately bec you're right about the passive-aggressive thing...but that's been going on all along here to a degree. Most of the time it's mildly entertaining to observe the one-upsmanship attempts and it's a pretty clear indicator into someones intentions. But in a group as diverse as this one you're bound to have that from some who feel the need to be noticed.
As far as my remark about praying...I know your beliefs are different from mine. Perhaps I should have said praying and/or personally reflecting on all the innocents lost and wishing those left behind strength and healing from their pain. I'm sure that sentiment is universal here whether we choose to pray to God for it or just wish and hope it out into the universe...right?
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« on: December 16, 2012, 11:15:04 AM »
I have to say that it seems like so many lessons intended still have not been learned or put into practice in day to day life...even here on this forum. The backbiting, in-fighting and nit-picking in a place dedicated to a man who dreamed to make the world a better place is just so disappointing to read. The events of these last few days have no doubt been heartbreaking to anyone who actually has a good heart but should have driven home even farther the need to be civil and loving to one another...ALWAYS! It seems that here...as in daily life...when that's most needed it's least found.
When I first started to write this I expected it to be a lengthy rant...but I think now that it's best that I keep my thoughts in the grey matter they reside in. I don't want to add to the negativity already evident here. My only goal should be to help people think and maybe choose better in how they relate to those they come in contact with. Just please think and speak with your hearts and not in the heat of the moment. Just think how different the day might be today for 27 families if people had handled Adam differently.
One thing specifically though...Souza I have great respect for you and all the dedication it's taken to keep this forum as the best around. I was disheartened though to see your comment about keeping on track/topic. While it's a sign of an awesome leader to keep their members on target at all times I think this instance was different. Michael has championed and dedicated his life to children for decades and the loss of so many under such horrific circumstances is bound to have devastated him. How could we not talk about it here? Even the namesake of this thread has posted for prayers and a show of unity and support. It seemed that briefly all posters were in sync and all standing together...but after your post the thread has dissolved into mini chaos, negativity and superficial nonsense again. I liked it better when everyone was praying...there was truly a sense of unity at least then :icon_e_sad:
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« on: December 13, 2012, 09:55:15 AM »
Hi Souza, nice to see you again here! :bearhug:
How do you come up with October 28 2013?
I'm not Souza obviously but my guess is...the release of TII + "4 years to get it right"
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« on: December 10, 2012, 05:44:09 PM »
I'm gonna make 1 final sweeping comment here. Yes the BAM is IMPORTANT! I never said it wasn't. I observe people! I read words! I watch what people focus on based upon what they write, do, etc. I know how to study and figure out your interests/personalities based upon what you write (post). I have observed this MJ world for well over 2 years. Sometimes daily and for hours upon hours. I have observed myspace, facebook, twitter, and this forum.
TMZ, MSM, T.V. media talking heads. I have researched into the HIStory of MJ's world of trials and tribulations. I have researched MJ's HIStory of his childhood, his upbringing, read books that are current regarding him. La Toya's book Starting Over and Jermaine's book YANA are the only 2 I have read about MJ so far. Those are words from his family who know him best.
I have read TS' words regarding the NWO/TPTB/EOW and I dug very deep into that rabbit hole from the start. I dug so far down the rabbit hole I thought I would never be able to climb out. I rode the train of crazy ville during the trial.
Even did the lead on the Sting Court while bec did the lead on the Hoax Court. Participated in every TS level. Paid attention to the re-directs. Commented in those threads.
I'm NOT new 2 this. I followed where ever the hoax lead me on my personal journey. I signed up on MJKIT when this site was hacked. Only because this mission/effort is something I BELIEVE in so strongly. I followed and signed up on MJ'sarmyoflove site where the religious side is discussed. I'm fully aware of the importance of ALL aspects of this hoax.
I'm observing past human nature of 2 plus years of the subject matter having GONE right over many heads. So now here we are at the end! Is it now to late? Is it now time for those who said they believed since 6/25/09 to emerge just to see the BAM? Where were ALL those people when these last 3 1/2 years have gone by? Where were/are those people who needed to heavily be a VOICE paving the path for MJ's return/BAM!?
Yes the hoax/Bam is totally up to and in MJ's hands however I'm concerned. I hope and pray for his sake that he has enough support from his fans that when he does come back they will fight tooth and nail for him when it really counts!
I pray that this hasn't been lip service from people over the past 3 1/2 years.
God I pray for MJ and his safety.
Lord comfort and bless him and keep him safe.
In Jesus name I pray.
Amen.
Fantastic post Im...and it covers things I've been thinking and concerned about over the last few days specifically. I too am an observer by nature...and it's all my Dad's fault...lol. When I was little he would drag the whole family up to the town square on Saturday night to (in his words)..."watch people". As a 5 & 6 year old I thought it was the dumbest, most boring thing in the world...but hey...our treat at the end of the evening was to go to Kay's for a mid-sixties version of a Frostie...lol. Little did I know that somehow this idea of observation being introduced to me so young in life would have such a lasting effect...but I'm grateful that it has. It's as natural as breathing for me and is always "on" whether I'm face to face with someone or reading what they write. We have quite a varied group here...both in long term members and new additions. As with any "club" people join with their own intentions, interests and goals in mind. Sometimes the heart is in the right place...and sometimes not so much :icon_e_sad: but in this arena (as with all things in life) the truth becomes obvious over time. All one ever needs to do is keep "watching".
I also share your concern of what's to come. While part of me is excited for the "big finale" after all this time I also know full well that this big reveal isn't likely to flip everyone's (meaning the general population) peace, love and happiness switch. There are those in the world that have theirs on permanent lockdown and they will be a problem. I echo your prayer for Michael and all those he loves.
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« on: December 05, 2012, 11:40:10 AM »
Couple of thoughts...
1. I'll withhold my opinion of Gaga having possession of these items until I can see if she acts respectably with them. Any desecration (ie: turning one of his jackets into the latest version of a whacked out meat ensemble) would arouse my immediate wrath. :icon_evil:
2. Exactly HOW is it that the Bush collection included lots of things from the J5 days??? :suspect: Bush never even met Michael until they were both 25 or so the story goes. Some of the items offered were used at least a good decade before if I recall. Makes you wonder...at least it made me confused.
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« on: December 04, 2012, 12:49:42 PM »
The general public largely sees the MJ fan community as obsessive fanatics. IF it turns out that MJ punked them hard core, and they end up angry about it, I bet the general public will laugh their asses off.
MJ lives for (aka feeds on) drama and controversy, yes?
Consider the snake story. MJ recognizes that the snake pauses before striking because the snake enjoys the moment of the mouse's terror before the kill. Now why does MJ recognize this? Perhaps because he IDENTIFIES with the snake.
WE prevent entrapment, we have always accepted that. But what kind of entrapment are we talking about? Criminal entrapment or social/artisitc entrapment? Previously, the idea was floated that if we could figure out how it was done, we would prevent a criminal from using the defense of entrapment before a court of law. Now it turns out that we were unable to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt and TS had to step in and finish the level himself. So how does that prevent entrapment as described in this paragraph? It doesn't, rather it STRENGTHS the entrapment defense. An insider had to hold our hands and give us the answers. We were unable, using the information in the media, pin point the truth of how it was all done, without the assistance of spoon feeding. If we were unable, after all this time and effort by the loyal and dutiful members here, to sift through the BS and settle on the truth, by ourselves, it's unlikely that anyone else could have done it either.
Yes, TS_comments had to finish it himself. In the past, if someone gets the right answer, he quotes that person and comments to that fact. This time he did not. If any one had gotten the "right answer" in all 142 pages of this thread, I believe he would have quoted them, perhaps even multiple quotes from multiple people harvested from multiple pages like he has done before, to PROVE that individual members came up with the right answers on their own. As it was, he did not, rather he himself wrote out the "answers" to end the level. That doesn't prevent entrapment. That indicates that the answers were not cut and dried, and the information could not stand on it's own, and the answers were NOT just to be found by anyone given the right time and inclination. That actually proves entrapment did occur/is occurring.
Or conversely...TS_comments had to finish the level himself because people here were quite hesitant or unwilling to fully embrace the DWD/corpse theory possibility. How many statements have been posted listing doubt of that theory based largely on how they believe Michael would view or feel about that scenario? They aren't really thinking for themselves...they are trying to think FOR Michael (at least the Michael they think they know.) I think we were warned quite a while back that we needed to be able to think "outside the box". Perhaps this was farther "outside" than some were willing to go. I have no doubt that Michael believes in magic and miracles but I also think he's wise to the certain inevitably that we all face one day. Human bodies are not capable of sustaining life indefinitely...he's had to accept that fact when losing people he cared about over the years (as we all have). Would he rejoice in it...not a chance...but would he accept it...I think maybe so. But what the hell do I know...I'm just trying to analyze like everyone else.
I also still firmly believe that it isn't necessary for the general population or even our group to discover actual details of the illusion created on 6/25 to argue against entrapment for what it's worth. Merely recognizing that it WAS an illusion served that purpose. The $64,000.00 question still remains...entrapment from what??? IF there is a serious sting involved...Who is THEY, what are THEY doing and to whom are THEY doing it? Why was the "death" illusion needed in the first place? The problem is that discussing any details in that regard must not be safe here or we'd have been given more information/confirmation. So either my thinking is way off target or there are truly nefarious elements in all of this. :icon_e_confused:
PS Wow 7 more replies while writing this...guess I have more reading to do...lol.
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« on: December 04, 2012, 11:25:04 AM »
I have to say I agree with the current vibe floated by BTC, RK & Wishing. As I posted the other day the thought that this was merely a "game"/ARG dwindled in my mind the longer the "adventure" has gone. All of the points that would seem to be intended to be made against wishy-washy fans and/or the corrupted media could have been proven and driven home in a far shorter time span...prior to lawsuits and trials for example. There would still have been backlash but it would be even worse (I'm afraid) this far out with this much water under the bridge. The "four years to get it right" statement in TII indicates that he knew going in whatever would be accomplished would take a long time and that indicates to me that serious work was going on behind the scenes for a purpose. The clues, hints and whispers I think have been intended for those of us who've strapped into this rollercoaster to not lose hope over the long haul. Sadly there are many who have done just that anyway and have abandoned the cause. :icon_e_sad:
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