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The Illuminati Theory / The illuminati - Victims?

« on: May 28, 2011, 06:45:05 PM »

Alright, after reading the many blogs/posts on this website about the illuminati, I feel compelled to add my own two cents in the discussion (even if they are not wanted ).
     The Illuminati. In some people's minds visions of evil "Voldemort style" men appear, with satanitic smiles, and long unkept fingernails. In my mind I do not see these visions. I see an ancient groups of individuals being blamed for all the evil, corruptopn, and wrong that exists in this world. The Illuminati as orginally implemented, was an order dedicated to the protection of people's rights and freedoms. The Illuminati was created in secrecy because at that time, the citizens were being controlled and manipulated by the church/government. The Illuminati was created because certain individuals looked upon their country and saw the truth, the abusement of power, the corruption, and the evil of the officials that were supposed to be protecting their people, but were instead using and opressing them. The Illuminati sought to end the tyranny of the people in power, by creating their society, they educated people, and taught them to think for themselves, they stood up for the voiceless and tried to obtain freedoms and rights for all people.
This is what The Illuminati stands for: An order that believes in the individual rights and freedoms of people. An order willing to stand up, educate, and create a world of educated and free people. An order that fights for the abuses and oppression of corrupted governments and individuals to come to an end. An order that will fight for the people who have had their voices taken away unfairly by the corrupted. An order that believes in truth, and believes that knowledge is freedom. An order that fights for a free world, in which opinions and ideas may be freely shared without fear of persecution, solutions to issues and problems may be solved by the minds of different and unique individuals, in which the diversity and uniqueness of this world may be celebrated instead of hidden and oppressed. An order that will fight for the basic rights of human existence, that the very laws of the country promised to us, but have since disappeared.
    The Illuminati would never participate in mind control, oppression or NWO powers. It goes against everything they stand for.
     My theory:
My theory is that corruption exists in all aspects of life, that individuals can become so corrupted they could/would commit terrible crimes for greed and power. That brainwashing and manipulation exists and has been implemented by various groups of individuals or just individuals acting alone, in different periods of time. Anyone can become corrupted, it is very easy to fall into a pattern of disregard for life and a love of power and wealth. I believe that people can fall victim to this corruption, but I don't believe that a person can become so evil, that redemption is impossible. Anyone and Everyone can become a better person, they just have to have the drive to do so. I believe that corrupted individuals may be working together to try and accomplish evil deeds, but that there just as many individuals walking that path of corruption by themselves. I am also very sure and 100% positive is that the people in this world who are spreading seeds of corruption and oppression are not affliated with the true Illuminati, that they may claim to be The Illuminate, but that they have simply hijacked the identity of the true Illuminati and used it to further their own corrupted agendas. Again I will repeat the Illuminati stands for freedom, not oppression. There may have been people controlling Michael Jackson's life and there may be people controlling much more and using mind control on the general public, but those people are not of the Illuminati although they may claim to be, they have stolen the identity of the Illiminati. I am very sorry if I have offended anyone, but the The true Illuminati stands as a beacon of light, for people trying to change the world and make it a better place, they would not take part in mind control and oppression. I think that The Illuminati have been victims just as much as the general public, by the corrupted individuals. My two cents, thank you for reading and blessings to all. Keep on hoaxing!

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General Hoax Talk / Re: This might be a really dumb question, but it is what it

« on: May 24, 2011, 11:33:24 PM »

Thanks, it is so so so so much info to get through!!! I have been back on for about a month and still feel lost! But I feel good being back. I had forgotten completely about Michael and the Hoax as some really important and intense situations lit up my personal life, these past two years, but somehow I found myself back here and I am very, very thankful to be here. Thanks so much for the replies, and the welcome, I feel that this is a good community and I feel lucky that I am apart of it now. Blessings also to you all!

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General Hoax Talk / Ugh, I know I am stupid! Another numerology question?

« on: May 23, 2011, 07:24:52 PM »

How does HIS= 8991?
Or how does SIH= 1998?
There are only three letters, how is there four numbers. This is not how numerology works. I don't understand. Can someone explain? I know this has something to do with TS and TIAI redirects and updates. I just want to know the answer to the question, without spending hours trying to find it. Thanks!

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General Hoax Talk / This might be a really dumb question, but it is what it is.

« on: May 23, 2011, 07:01:24 PM »

What in the world is so important about 9-09-09? I don't see the significance. Please, if you can explain what is it about 9-09-09 as if you are explaining it to someone with no knowledge of the hoax, lol, it is very, very, very much appreciated.  

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General Hoax Talk / Re: What was Michael's Legal name?

« on: May 22, 2011, 10:29:53 PM »

Michael Joe Jackson

I have been reading up on different law websites, that a middle name is not important, and that it can be used interchangably as long as the first and last names stay the same and that it is obvious which person the name belongs to. For example, a person could shorten the middle name of William to either Bill or Will and still have it be legal.
 It has been speculated that he began to use the middle name Michael Joe Jackson when he started his true solo career, with "Off the Wall", because he wanted his own identity? That is the theory and it makes sense on why he used Joe and Joseph interchangably. Still alot of mystery there. My real question for now would be, is there any significance on why and where he chose to use Joe rather than Joseph and vice-versa?
P.S. I am sorry that I posted this thread topic in the wrong area, I am a very air-headed person at times and I apoligize if I have made the forum confusing, I am not sure on how to change it though... Sorry! :oops:  

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General Hoax Talk / Re: What was Michael's Legal name?

« on: May 22, 2011, 10:22:35 PM »

Where can I find those videos??

 Go to Youtube and type in "Michael Jackson - The Mexico deposition - 1993" There are 17 parts in total. He says his name is Michael Joseph Jackson in part 6.

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General Hoax Talk / What was Michael's Legal name?

« on: May 22, 2011, 09:27:23 PM »

Hello all, I know this subject has been sorely discussed and mused over. Is his real name Michael Joe Jackson or is it Michael Joseph Jackson? I have just been watching his 1993 disposition videos, and which he is asked what his full name is and he, from his very own mouth, said his name was Michael Joseph Jackson. I thought that his legal name was Michael Joe Jackson, why would he say his middle name was Michael Joseph Jackson, if his real middle name was Joe?
I am throughly tired and exhausted. In his child molestation cases his legal name was Michael Joe Jackson, and in this lawsuit from 1993 he used the legal name Michael Joseph Jackson, why? Why does he use two different names in two different legal situations? Please someone has to explain this to me, I don't understand why. Please and thank you to everyone who replies.  :?:  :?:  :!:  :!:  :?:  :?:

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Michael's features, habits & disguises / Re: MJ wore "stick on nails" - look at this photo please!

« on: May 19, 2011, 12:08:19 AM »

Michael has Lupus and Vitiligo. Point, period, blank. He was diagnosed in the 80's with both. They are both auto-immune diseases, that (the theory at this point is) they can be brought on, by first have the genes and then having something stressful or traumatic happen that somehow brings these genes out batting. Michael has had a pretty stressful and traumatic life. If you do not know what either disease is or what an autoimmune disease is, please google it. Moving on. Black people do indeed have darker nail beds than white people, they can range from lighter pink to darker pink, because no one has the same color. For those who say that they have really pink nails, that of course is true, but they are not as pink as a white person's nail beds can be. Michael's vitiligo has turned his skin all white, no pigmentation in the least, but it did not affect his nail beds. I believe that Michael might use clear, fake nails, just to cover his nail beds. Michael has always been self-conscious about his looks, and after his skin lost all of its pigmentation, but his nail beds did not, I am sure it looked odd and I am sure that it is reasonable to think that Michael would feel a little self-conscious about his nail beds. So therefore, I do not think it is too extraordinary to believe that at times he covered his nail beds. Also I heard, about the tape thing that is, that Lupus may affect the skin or joints or something on the finger tips and that is why he tapes them sometimes. That is my theory to the clear nails/discolored nails mystery, I am not 100% positive about the tape theory, just an idea I heard. I have been reading through the forums and with people arguing on whether or not he had Lupus or any other disease. He had Lupus and Viltiligo, and maybe a few other minor health issues, such as arthritus most people get when aging. But that is it people. No more, no less. I couldn't believe they were arguing about something so trivial or dumb. The truth is that for sure he had Lupus and Vitiligo.

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Michael's features, habits & disguises / A Song That Describes MJ

« on: May 18, 2011, 11:39:19 PM »

Here I am again, feeling as if I am posting this in the wrong area. Yet this belongs under Michael's Life, because these lyrics describe him so perfectly. The pain and torment, the beauty and magic, this song was made for Michael. I always felt that this song embodied him so perfectly. This song was released by Kelly Clarkson and is called "Beautiful Disaster"

"Beautiful Disaster"

He drowns in his dreams
An exquisite extreme I know
He’s as damned as he seems
And more heaven than a heart could hold
And if I try to save him
My whole world could cave in
It just ain't right
It just ain't right

Oh and I don't know
I don't know what he's after
But he's so beautiful
Such a beautiful disaster
And if I could hold on
Through the tears and the laughter
Would it be beautiful?
Or just a beautiful disaster

He's magic and myth
As strong as what I believe
A tragedy with
More damage than a soul should see
And do I try to change him?
So hard not to blame him
Hold on tight
Hold on tight

Oh 'cause I don't know
I don't know what he's after
But he’s so beautiful
Such a beautiful disaster
And if I could hold on
Through the tears and the laughter
Would it be beautiful?
Or just a beautiful disaster

I'm longing for love and the logical
But he's only happy hysterical
I'm waiting for some kind of miracle
Waited so long
So long

He’s soft to the touch
But frayed at the end he breaks
He’s never enough
And still he's more than I can take

Oh 'cause I don't know
I don't know what he's after
But he's so beautiful
Such a beautiful disaster
And if I could hold on
Through the tears and the laughter
Would it be beautiful?
Or just a beautiful disaster

He’s beautiful
Such a beautiful disaster

[Fading]
Beautiful
(Beautiful disaster)
Beautiful disaster

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P.S. This song is the reason I feel that Lisa Marie Presley had to leave him; not because she did not love him, but because of how damaged his soul was. I feel she would have loved to help him, guide him, and to heal him, but she couldn't devote her life to Michael, because she was a mother. She had to take care of her child first before anyone, including Michael. She needed to be a mother first, and a wife second, and with Michael, she probably felt that she couldn't give the attention and devotion they both deserved, so she had to make a choice, and she of course picked her child. She loved him, I know she did, but sometimes love isn't enough of a reason to stay.
P.S.S. (lol)
My prayer for Michael:
    Allow Michael to be safe, to be healthy, and to have joy in his life. Please hold him and care for his soul, walk with him all of his days, and bless him with the strength and courage to overcome and preservere. I thank you for him, for he was a joy and a gift, and I am forever grateful. Lord, I love you and I love him, make sure he realizes that I and all of his other fans, love him and cherish him and wish him every happiness in the world.
    Amen
(Sorry I am such a weirdo! :oops: Much love and blessings to all)

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Michael's features, habits & disguises / Re: How can hands so change ?

« on: May 17, 2011, 02:45:19 AM »

P.S. Michael is and has always been a beautiful man, who shared his gift to the world, and I love Michael, not for his hands, this is a quote I use quite often: I am mesmerized by this man. Infatuated. Inspired. And just completely, crazy for this man. Not crazy in the sense of how a crazy die heart woman would be, but in the way my soul looks at his soul and knows, that it is home. I love this man. And also: The truest and purest soul, I ever laid eyes upon.
I absolutely understand, (people where discussing this before, I feel, and this applies very much so to me), that we get stuck in the past and imagine Michael from the earlier years of Thriller, Bad, and Dangerous, and we forget that naturally he wouldn't look like he did back than, because simply he is in his 50's now. I feel bad that maybe he feels he has to compete with the Young Michael, when that isn't fair at all, he is the older Michael. I just pray and hope that he never feels bad for aging, because eventually everyone ages and dies and it isn't something a person should fear or stress about, yet I have this gut feeling that he does. I just hope that he is safe, and that he knows that we all love him, and that he doesn't have to feel pressured or anxious anymore, because we accept him and love him, just the way he is.

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Michael's features, habits & disguises / Re: How can hands so change ?

« on: May 17, 2011, 02:20:18 AM »

So I am not sure if this has been mentioned before, but I think the change in his hands as he grew older was due to his Lupus. My mother used to have the longest, slimmest, prettiest hands in the whole world, but she was diagnosed with Rheumatiod Arthritus not too long ago, (which is very similar to Lupus) and the disease has destroyed her hands. They look puffy and swollen, the nails have become colored, and they look nothing like they used to. I feel like Lupus is to blame when examining Michael's body as he aged. His hands, wrists, the way he walked. He became stiffer as he aged, as his body suffered the damage of the disease, bones would become deformed, but his case of Lupus does not look as bad as some I have seen, I have known people to die from Lupus before. Yet Michael through being a health nut through most of his life, lol, and being able to afford the best health care, looks like he managed the Lupus better than most as he aged.

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Michael's Speeches / Quotes and Meaning with the King of Pop

« on: May 13, 2011, 01:23:23 AM »

I wasn't quite sure where exactly to post this. These are quotes from Michael's life, which is why I filed them under his life section in the forum, but I also feel they reveal strong evidence that the death hoax is real, so they may also belong under the general death hoax forum. I hope I haven't placed it in such an obscure and odd spot no one will be able to read it. I hope you guys look through it and post what you guys think! Thanks!

I would like some way to disappear where people don't see me anymore at some point. I don't want to grow old. I never want to look in the mirror and see that.

    I feel this quote says it all. I am not sure when he said this quote (I found it on imdb.com, under his bio. page.), but it is quite obvious that Michael had been contemplating a way to escape from the media and find a place of solace for a while. And knowing Michael, after the sh*t that he had been rung through and the evils he had been exposed to in his life, Michael would have thought it the perfect plan, if he could somehow create peace and privacy for himself, yet create awareness and educate people on the evils of this world, and what he we could do to solve it, at the same time. Hence this elaborate Death Hoax. Perhaps we are wrong for the reason(s) on why he did it, but I stil believe quite strongly that he was a) Quite capbable and intelligent enough to pull this off, b) That there are many important reasons on why Michael would want to do this, and each reason I know is close to his heart, as in creating peace for himself at the same time working for peace for the world, and c) The media reporting of June 25th is just so shoddy, with huge gaping holes, that haven't been explained, or will ever be explained. It is obvious that whatever happened June 25th, was not correctly indentified and related through the media to the public, therefore the answer lies somewhere else, in one of these "conspiracy stories" circling the web.
Another quote:

It's going to be the greatest show on Earth. That's what I want. Fireworks and everything.

[on being asked what he thought his funeral would be like in 2002]
     Now this quote may be harder to decipher. The site tells me (as you can see above) that this quote was in reference to his funeral. And Michael had an answer for him, sounding as if he had some of it planned (which supports planning a death hoax), that Michael was thinking about how the "end" of his life would look like to his fans and the media. Perhaps this also shows that Michael is calling the shots, as suggested in the TIAI redirects, that he has been planning this and thinking about this for a very long time and knows exactly what he is doing, and what he wants to happen next. It also calls to mind "It's going to be the Greatest show on Earth..." Did he not say this about his O2 arena concerts, in the TII movie, that he had been planning and working on the greatest show on Earth. His death was going to be the greatest show on Earth? Perhaps Michael was thinking out loud and putting it all together in his mind, he was going to make his death count, he was going to make his death something that could reach out to people and help, but how could a person plan his death as a way to heal and share a message, if he is 6 feet under? Michael faked his death, so that he could be the invisible man, watching over and making sure his plan was followed. I think think there is a good chance Michael is not coming back, or perhaps he wrestles with the fact of whether or not he should come back. I don't think the "resurrection" was ever an essential part in his plan. I think he wants people to think he is dead and to continue to think he is dead, so that he can continue to guide along his plan, without hinderance. His message is more powerful now that he is dead, right? Any message becomes so much clearer and stronger when the person who uttered them is dead. I also think he left clues so that his fans would know that he was still alive if he ever came back, which there is still every chance he might still do. But I don't believe there had to be a resurrection for his death hoax to succeed, Michael does not need to come back (nor do I think he wants to) in order for his message of love and truth to be spread. Perhaps his army of L.O.V.E. is going about it the wrong way. Perhaps they are not supposed to be going around with the mission of convincing people that Michael is alive. I apologize if that offended you. For an outsider looking in, I feel at times that, that is their only goal, telling people he is alive. I think the real reason for the hoax is for the people who know that he is alive (and even those that believe him dead, but still believe in his message) to go forth and spread compassion, love, and truth. That is why a resurrection is not needed because all people who believed in his message, whether he is actually alive or dead, can go and spread his message and heal the world.
     I believe that Michael is alive, but I think that he might come back and might not come back. There is still so many loose strings he needs to tidy up (such as making sure Murray isn't put on death role for killing him), and who knows the way or method he may choose to complete his plans. I trust him though, and I believe in him and I believe in his message, and I still believe in the goodness of humanity. So I am prepared to trust in him whatever his plans, and trust in God above, and I am prepared to live Michael's message. I think that is the only goal in this hoax. Are you prepared to live Michael's message? If the answer is yes, than be comforted by the fact that God is there in Michael's heart wherever he is, and God is in your heart and just go forth and do good and live the message. If the answer is no, I believe you are looking for answers that don't exist, because if you are not prepared to live his message, than his death (metaphorically or not) has nothing to offer you, and you can move on. For those who believe, allow us to not fret and worry for Michael, for God is with him, and lets go out and do some good today in the world, for at the heart of it all that is the only thing that matters. If enough people can do that than, this death hoax has served it's purpose and Michael can continue his life in peace.
      Thanks so much for reading, I hope eventually enough of us can make a difference and heal this world. It starts today and it starts with you, live Michael's words, for no matter where you think he is, this was his purpose, to heal the world.

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Charities / David Ilan and his "Drawing Hope Charity"

« on: May 10, 2011, 12:13:26 PM »

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 The Websites listed above explains everything you need to know about this man and his charities, including his Michael Jackson one. David Ilan is a man who has made it his mission to start healing and helping the world, his message his clear. Go look at his websites, donate, and get involved. I am and I don't regret it. This man is indeed giving hope to people all over the world, who really need it and I feel that, as soldiers of love we need to be paying attention to what David is trying to do, because he is a really wonderful and loving man. If you support and love Michael, than you should go to this websites and do some good!