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General Discussion / Re: Robin Williams Passes Away
« on: August 13, 2014, 04:45:11 AM »
I was sad and thinking why do people who bring so much joy to the world,have to go so soon  :icon_e_sad:
Why do they have to be so sad themselfs like many are,and thats what i read/learned about Robin Williams  now to .
So not fair!
Robin thank you!
R.I.P
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No I haven't been here long, but been dedicated fan for 30+ years. I don't look at everything thru rose colored glasses. I guess I don't understand why someone who isn't "fan" would even waste their time here. I personally NEVER even visit forums or websites of people that im not a fan of. Im not a Beyoncé fan and wouldn't even waste a moment of my time commenting on anything regarding her, albeit good or bad. And I didn't necessarily mean just on this forum by my earlier post. I am seeing a lot of negativity from so called fans on facebook and twitter. Its weird to me.


I am one of those  ,,isn"t a fan,, in your words
I explained how i ended up here many times,because with the o2 anouncement and his death i saw things that did not look okay to me..
I love the music from Michael,and now i love the person that i discovered he is, trough investigating but i never was a fan.
Before i knew nothing about him,just his music.

And yes if the same thing happened with beyonce,i would be here too.(i would not consider that a waste of my time also)
Because here it is in my opinion also about justice,and finding the truth,and less about being the biggest fan.
Because every person(wen there is reason to believe they are) mistreated like Michael deserves people's help in finding the truth.
And in finding the truth you have to looke at every angle..also the not so nice ones.
But that is not negativity from so called fans,it is being realistic!
We just need to respect each other  :smiley_abuv:

I tried my best on the English writing,and hope it makes sense.


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TMZ Articles / Re: Maids say Neverland mansion laced with pee and poop
« on: August 10, 2014, 05:08:17 PM »
Ofcourse !

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How many times we saw something similar :icon_rolleyes:
Yet again an other Bamsday prediction i think.
Next please :icon_e_geek:

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I have the same feelings about Murray.
Can we try to find more about him,or did we already tried it all?

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Karen Faye / Re: Karen Faye's Twitter
« on: July 23, 2014, 06:06:56 AM »
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@everyone, we've strayed way off topic now - would it be a good idea to open a new thread, along the lines of the old 'how do you feel after 4 years' or 'why are you still here' ones?  We clearly have a lot we want to say/get off our chests at this time!

Or maybe it would be more constructive to use the 'revisiting old stuff' thread and actually tackle head-on some of our long held hoax 'evidence'.

Above let's make sure we stay civil and kind to each other.  :bearhug:

Yes, thank you curls....we should open a thread to talk about all the theories going on our head and discuss it one by one. Souza, is that okay?

I think that is a good idea!
Personally i know were Do is comming from.

I am not here for a return anymore, i want to know the truth one way or another!
To know who the leeches are ,and make sure to be here if we are needed for justice 
Offcource i stil hope that MIchael is safe and alive.
I stil dont believe Michael died 25 june 2009.
But what did happen that day? And why all the strange things i saw..The differend Michaels etc..For what purpose?
We have Theories,but no real evidence in to the why.
I am affraid wen we turn our back to this,we fail him wen he finally wil call us for help.
But i wont be a lookalike Elvis fan.( :errrr:)
I was not a fan to begin with..I loved Michaels music but thats it.
I learned so much about the man wen i started investigating about him, wen my gut feeling told me there was something verry wrong from de O2 and his death.
Thats why i came here and i am stil here.

@Sweet Nobody wants you to leave,i certainly dont want that! <3
But understand that not everybody is as sure about things as you are..and you cant make people believe.
You say you are a knower.
I dont know were you found the proof to be a knower,so i say i that i know nothing because i did not see it.
You believe in Front..I dont because i did not see any evidence that made me believe he is Michael..but i am in to every option and keep my eys open
But what we need is to  :smiley_abuv: each others in our thoughts.
I like you al verry much and hate people leaving.
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Other Odd Things / Re: Am I blind?
« on: June 25, 2014, 05:50:42 AM »
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@ mattie, what do you personally think? twin, brother or double? I have noticed ALOT of differences but thought I was crazy lol.

What i personally think.
I think/my gues a family member who looked like him,his voice similar.
Who had talent like him,and they are close(always nice to sing/dance with my brother)
Who had plastic surgery to even looke more alike.(maybe both had surgery to looke more alike?but stil you can see the diference if you looke for it)
I think it was neccesary to keep going for both Michaels,because life is extreem for a star this big.
This way it was making life more bearable.

Why i believe this..Because i saw so much difference in Michael in appearance and mannerisms and i start thinking.
I am from a verry musical family myself.
My Father/uncle's/aunts cousins and nieces/ nephews they al end up in music profesionally.only a view of us are not.
So lots of talent in a family,and Michaels family was also like that.
So i looked at my nephews from 2 differend uncles of mine(they looke alike too,also in voice) and tought with plastic surgery they could be even more alike.
My father and one of his brothers were verry much alike, in voice also.
So i think it  is verry possible,but ofcource you stil have 2 differend persons.

But it worked for them(Michaels) al these years .

O  :WTF: people were confused al this time and tought he was on drugs,or had plastic surgery again because he behaved and looked differend,or they tought he and Janet were one  the same because they saw something strage about him.
They did not realise they saw 2 differend Michaels al the time!

So you are not crazy(i hope :icon_geek:) or i am too!!! :icon_lol:


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Other Odd Things / Re: Am I blind?
« on: June 06, 2014, 08:37:48 AM »
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I was watching this video on youtube and I noticed that MJ looks totally different at the end of the video when hes sitting in the audience. So different than what we were used to in 1988. I have went back and forth on the double/brother idea. I do see differences sometimes too though. A lot actually lol. But here, his overall essence is missing in audience. he is darker here than he was on the Bad album cover. Im so confused and sometimes i don't know what to think. I think its around 1:44 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login  :screaming-7365:

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 Or looke at the video itself,its obvious IMO
I am a strong believer that there were at least two Michael Jacksons.  ;)

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Introduce yourself / Re: Hello :)
« on: June 02, 2014, 04:54:20 PM »
Welcome  ;)

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Other Odd Things / Re: Is this Murray?
« on: June 02, 2014, 11:16:47 AM »
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:-[wanted to make a point but in a somewhat strange way. my husband just today showed me a pic of a table saw that was on e-bay. the way the person took the pic made this thing look huge compared to what the actual size was. just sayin'  do we have anything to go on about murray's size outside of what he said it was ( not under oath) and in pics up side of the one lawyer of his ( can't come up with the name right now).remembering just how tall michael looked  upside frank d.

Look at the pictures of Murray and de Barge above here.
young de Barge and ,,Murray are almost the same size,..Than older de Barge and Murray..Here is Murray much taller.

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Other Odd Things / Re: From Moonwalker to TII
« on: May 30, 2014, 05:10:46 PM »
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This was discussed way before I joined the forum. Thank you for the link, but that's definitely Michael, there actually was no need for using a double for that scene. Different lighting, camera angles, different expressions, make-up in between takes might contribute to some slight changes. As u said bec, we look different in our photographs.

Well whether it's Michael or not is another discussion, but it all started with bad era.

No sorry,Different persons in expression first, and more difference in physical appearance.
I cant see the same person,did not see i years ago,and stil dont see it!

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XSCAPE / Re: XSCAPE album and Billboard Hologram
« on: May 30, 2014, 02:20:22 AM »
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If it is true that Michael bought her that jewellery and they both were seeing each other, then I wonder whether June tried to exploit MJ and when she miserably failed, sought help from Evan to cook up child abuse stories. idk just imagining...

Ik think that was the case. June tried to get in his live and to get acces to all what live with a superstar good offer her.
But jealousy get in the way and  other conspiracy?. then she settled for the money and cooperated wih Evan and David.
Michel had found an other golddigger in her!

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XSCAPE / Re: XSCAPE album and Billboard Hologram
« on: May 29, 2014, 10:28:25 AM »
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are u al talking about june gatlin ( i think that's her name).  the person that told him to not know about his money is not good.  if so, what did she do?   :confused:

No that was his advisor.
This June is the mother of Jordan Chandler from the first allegations.

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login  Dont know if this fan thing of her is also true, i know it al started wen his car broke down and het he went to a garage who belonged to Jordans stepfather, he called Jordan because he was a big fan. from there it goes.

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XSCAPE / Re: XSCAPE album and Billboard Hologram
« on: May 29, 2014, 07:13:52 AM »
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Just some thoughts on  the album Xscape and the billboard Illusion. This is not thought out, but just as it comes .......

The Estate chose to revisit the Dangerous era for the billboards awards hologram performance. Maybe their reasoning for this was because this is supposedly the era that the song Slave to the Rhythm  was worked,  but it never made the cut to the album at that point in  time. Common sense would tell me this is why this era and not for example Bad was chosen,  but the hoax glasses make me see a little differently.
Is there something more here. This may be a stretch, but here goes anyway......
I also couple this era [Dangerous] in my mind when Michael's trouble started in earnest. Before the chandler allegations MJ was sitting securely upon his throne. The King undisputed, but along come  the chi/mo allegations fuelled by the tabloid feeding frenzy and it  started a process that Michael never totally recovered from in the eyes of the world.
Looking  at a couple of tracks on Xscape [the album name itself speaks volumes] for example A Place With No Name, maybe it holds more than pointing to the crypt at Forest Lawn. The lyrics for the track start out with Michael  singing about driving his jeep and getting a flat tyre and finding himself stuck on the side of the road.
Maybe it is just me and my imagination again, but it made me think of the situation when MJ's jeep broke down and he was brought into contact with the chandler klan.

Here are the first few lines of the song....
As I drove across on the highway
My jeep began to rock
I didn't know what to do so I stopped and got out
And looked down and noticed I got a flat

So I walked out, parked the car like sideways
So I can find what I can fix
I looked around there were no cars on the highway
I felt a strange feeling like a mist

I walked down towards the end of the road
And in the fog a woman appeared
She said don't you worry my friend I'll take care
Take my hand, I'll take you there

Another interesting inclusion is the track Do You Know Where Your Children Are. This is a very ballsy inclusion IMO, cause it confronts the hearers and puts sexual abuse of minors in the forefront of the listeners thinking because of the lyrics.

Chicago talks about a woman who was still married and had a family but  deceived this man [ in the song] . Hmm. Maybe I'm way off and it's just my overhoaxed brain, but June could fit this description here too.
That's it for now, as I watch MJ [figuratively in a hologram/ impersonator form] walk back up those stairs and reclaim that throne that is rightfully his and yeah....totally own it.

Jump in at the deep end. 
I never trusted myself to much to share my toughts.
My further my interpretation of the lyricks of place with no name.

I read that Michael lived with June and her children for a while.
He went every day there for diner.
(if it is true what i read)
Looked like he was in love with June,bought her a love bracelet.
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As she took me right through the fog                                         
I see a beautiful city appear
Where kids are playin' and people are laughin' and smiling and
No one's in fear

Michael was lonely.and June took him out of his loneliness,he had the family he was so longing for.
Children..happiness and a family live and love. Love from the children and from the lady..no more reason to be scared, he finaly found the one(so he tought and hoped)


She said this is the place where no people have pain
And in love and happiness
She turned around looked down at my eyes and started cryin'
She grabbed my hand, you got a friend

Woah-oh
Take me to a place without no name
Place without no name
Take me to a place without no name
Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah

Yeah Yeah

She started likin' me kissin' me and huggin' me
She didn't really, really want me to leave
She showed me places I've never seen things I've never done
This place really looks like a lotta fun

I seen the grass and the sky and the birds
And the flowers surrounded by the trees
This place is filled with love and happiness
and not a world could I wanna leave

Michael tought he found real love,This sounds like he was really in love with this lady.And for the first time in his live he found this kind of happiness. and never felt like this before

So then I went in my pocket took my wallet on out
With my pictures of my family and girl
This is the place that you choose to be with me
When you thought you could be in another world

Than reallitey hits,and he finds himself in a horror story. so much Betrayal

You thought you could be happy Michael and xscape your world, were you are surrounded by leeches and hypocrites,here is a other thing coming.
This is the live you choose ,you wanted to be a superstar there is no way back.
We come back to haunt you if you dont walk the road we choose for you. one way or an other. You are our money machine and destroy you if neccesary.
There is no one to trust.

Michael is hurt and depressed like never before. it tells him he cant  trust anyone.And boy how right he was..Because it happens again and again and again.

The betrayal is buiding and every goldigger jumps on the wagon and wants a piece of Michael Jackson.
The terrible horror leads him finally to the place with no name,the place he dont want to ends up(Forest Lawn). He desparate is looking for the place WITHOUT no name.
A place with a name were he can be happy again(like Neverland with Family).
I was hoping this hoax was the tool, and we al are helping him to get him away from the place with no name,and get him to the place of happinis again..the place without no name.




Ooh-ooh
Take me to a place without no name
Place without no name
Take me to a place without no name
No name

My toughts from the lyricks,it is more reading his lyricks in between the lines.
Something i do from wen this all started.



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Michael Jackson News / Re: billboard awards
« on: May 24, 2014, 05:24:45 AM »
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The Secret Of Michael Jackson's Illusion




THE GRAND ILLUSION
Audiences at Sunday's Billboard Music Awards ceremony were treated to a performance of Slave to the Rhythm by none other than the late Michael Jackson himself. Though widely mistaken as a hologram, the performance by Michael Jackson was the result of computer-generated images, live performers and a touch of illusion known as Pepper's ghost. Here's how producers mixed fantasy with reality:




SAN RAFAEL, Calif. — Michael Jackson came back to life last Sunday on the Billboard Music Awards telecast. And the team that orchestrated his high-tech resurrection is beaming through their fatigue.

"It scared us to death to create an image that had to look, feel and function for four minutes like an entertainer everyone in the world knows," says Frank Patterson, CEO of digital effects firm Pulse Evolution. "You have to see his eyes and moves and believe it was him."

After a week of social and online media speculation about how the effect was pulled off, Florida-based Pulse exclusively invited USA TODAY to its Bay Area studios, located in the former headquarters of George Lucas' Industrial Light & Magic, to explain the details behind Jackson's performance of Slave to the Rhythm, off the late singer's new album, Xscape.

But first, a plea. "It's not a hologram," says Pulse Executive Chairman John Textor, sitting in the room where the Jackson effect was crafted with Patterson and visual effects supervisor Stephen Rosenbaum, who worked on Avatar.

So what is it? "An illusion," Patterson says.

Indeed, Pulse refined a 19th-century magician's technique called Pepper's ghost, which Textor — then leading Oscar-winning graphics company Digital Domain — also employed to summon the ghost of slain rapper Tupac Shakur at the Coachella music festival in 2012. The effect involves projecting an image on glass or plastic at a 45-degree angle, which brings that image into the viewer's field of view.

But the Jackson illusion was infinitely more complex to pull off. "Tupac had no hair, and just stood there, where Michael had to be all over the place," Patterson says.

There is also a video

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Thank you likemike !

I wonder why the audience stands at the end with the back to the stage and are clapping to the other side ? I also noticed that much ppl of the audience wear usual clothes, not very fine Dress.....wasn't it a great Event where you dressed better....you don't go to the gym....

Lokk at the beginning....ppl direct in front of the dancers with caps on......and at the end you see the stage in the back and the audience with the back to the stage is clapping to the other side...

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An again....where is the Family ? No comments ?

There suppose to be a big screen were people were looking at.
Not everybody had good sight at the stage.
I dont see the people with caps? looke again :icon_e_confused:
Family puzzles  me also,why no comment at all??

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