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Other Odd Things / Re: Mafia
« on: January 30, 2010, 10:17:29 AM »
Quote from: "Crescendo"
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wheres the picture where some bald guy (I think it is tohme tohme) who is literally twisting Michael's upper arm? Although I can't prove it to be tohme of course.

Sorry not bald. But still twisting his arm. :cry:
The man twisting his arm is Tohme, here is a video of it:
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Other Odd Things / Re: Maybe THE ambulance pic??
« on: January 30, 2010, 09:54:04 AM »
What I think? The ambulance picture is genuine, not photoshopped.

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Other Odd Things / Re: Where is Michael Jackson?
« on: January 30, 2010, 06:12:33 AM »
Quote from: "*Mo*"
No one is saying that Mike is dead.  For now, he doesn't want to be found.  He left clues to make you aware of the fact he didn't die, and he left clues for you to find out WHY he hoaxed his death.

There is no proof whatsoever that Michael left those clues.

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Other Odd Things / Re: Leaked video with Paris ODD ...
« on: January 30, 2010, 05:58:59 AM »
Quote from: "Grazzia"
spencer is the one who's filming and (i think) that prince is the one who says about the movie.
i dont know what movie they r talking about.
and like i said,there is an other leaked video from 2003 when the kids (prince paris and the malniks kids) are singing ABC (not the jackson 5's ABC).
the poser is leaking the video little by little just for fun i guess.
some with the pics.
It is not clear from the video at all who is filming it or when it was taped or who's place it was. The only thing that is clear is that it is Paris.

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Other Odd Things / Re: Mafia
« on: January 30, 2010, 05:11:14 AM »
Mjboogie, his familymembers also suspect foul play. Recall Joe, LaToya and Janet saying this in interviews. I am confident they made this more than clear to the investigators and the family has also mentioned that they were content with the way the investigation was being handled. LaToya also stated in an interview with Barbara Walters (sp.?) that Michael numerous times said to her that he was concerned they were going to kill him and 'if i am dead, they have murdered me'.
What is strange again, is that in that very interview she also states that because of that, she immediately suspected Michael was murdered. Then WHY did the family not have the house sealed for criminal investigation and WHY did they go and take things and contaminate the possible crime scene?

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Most of our 'knowledge' about Tohme was presented by the main stream media, please keep that in mind.
True. However we do know what Michael's stand towards Tohme was through the phone recordings J. Gaitlin made public. It would not be too hard, with some research, to back the other 'knowledge' up with hard facts.
Mainstream media information ought to be taken with a grain of salt ofcourse, but it can be useful to gain an overall view. Interesting information can subsequently be verified by more trustworthy sources.

It would go too far to research all Michael's contacts as suggested to find a motive. There are many people who might have had a motive. It's an impossible task to find the kind of information intelligence services would gladly get their hands on. One will end up in a quicksand swamp of relations, connections, business transactions and in the end, it will not answer the question to what happened exactly at 25th June.

What we do have for information are the official documents concerning the investigation: e. g. the searchwarrants, death certificate. These will come closest to the truth to my opinion, but so far there have been few fora where these documents have been throughly reviewed. What was found in the house, what do the codes mean, what was Murray suspected of, timeline etc etc.

As I mentioned earlier, Murray's role is also unclear.
Yes, it could have been an accident. He could have been a fall guy. In these cases it is possible that UCLA medical staff managed to resuscitate Michael.
Another option nobody seems to consider, is that he could have helped Michael xscape from the situation he was in. It is unclear what went on in the house around 25th of June, and if Michael was under someone's influence and was indeed being isolated as his family/Joe/Gaitlin/fans and others say, he needed to get out of there. An injection with a substance like propofol would knock Michael out and justify his transfer (escape) out of the house and to UCLA.

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Other Odd Things / Re: Mafia
« on: January 29, 2010, 04:05:06 PM »
What a coincidence...mention the Malniks and within hours this video shows up

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Other Odd Things / Re: Mafia
« on: January 29, 2010, 02:45:56 PM »
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Sorry Virgo...Im posting the vid that Raven is asking about...I hope you dont mind.

EDIT: I dont know when this was posted or when it was filmed. Apparently the original was taken down but someone else posted it cus they saved it.

Thanks :) Judging by her age, it seems recent. But how can you be sure it was with/ at the Malnik's?

Concerning that 'grab'-pic posted above, this is it's context I stumbled upon:
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Other Odd Things / Re: Mafia
« on: January 29, 2010, 02:41:46 PM »
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Quote from: "Raven"
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
And which molestation charge?
The child molestation charges of the 2005 trial.

Mottola and MJ also had their history, involving Sony/The Beatles Catalogue/Racist issues.
Racist issues had to do with the rights of black artists:
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And so on...


I remember the racist issues and MJ calling Mottola the Devil. And now that Im thinking about it, I seem to remember a little snippet somewhere on the old MJKIT forum about Tommy being involved somehow to bring MJ down with the trial of 2005.

And Im freaked out a little cus this is probably the most legit reason why he had to fake his death. I always had a thought in my head that this had soemthing to do with the mafia, but I never really thought about it......cus I didnt want to.
Yes...and the thing is most of these things can be proven, facts, Michael speaking himself.
It is hard to imagine what tremendous emotional burden that man had to carry: being idolised, being followed around everywhere, surrounded by leeches/ the mafia, the child molestation charges, the pressure of This Is It and so on.
Murray's role is yet unclear. He could have been the fall guy, it could have been an accident, but he could also have been MJ's ticket to freedom.

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Other Odd Things / Re: Mafia
« on: January 29, 2010, 02:26:01 PM »
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Im getting kinda freaked out right now....
How come?

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Other Odd Things / Re: Mafia
« on: January 29, 2010, 02:24:28 PM »
Quote from: "virgo75"
Quote from: "Raven"
It goes even deeper. The article about Malnik I posted previously also describes how MJ suspected Malnik/Mottola were behind the criminal child molestation charges, and that MJ believed Malnik to represent the mafia. Brett Ratner is mentioned as Malnik's protege.


Ok, now I'm really lost.

If this is the case - Malnik linked with the mafia & possibly behind the molestation charges - then how would we be seeing video of Paris hanging out with them at their home if Michael is alive?   :?

When the situation is THAT dangerous, you don't let your kids go play with the mafia kids next door just cuz they used to be friends...

If Michael is alive, he can't really be that involved with the children as I doubt he would be ok with the kids being with them.

I'm interested to hear what everyone else thinks?

Just had a thought:
If MJ had to go into hiding because of these people, do you think it's possible that the video of Paris with the Malniks was "leaked" to let Michael know that they have access to the kids and so he shouldn't do anything "stupid?"   :(
Not if they think he is dead. Can you show which video you are referring to and when it was dated?

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Other Odd Things / Re: Mafia
« on: January 29, 2010, 02:19:33 PM »
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
And which molestation charge?
The child molestation charges of the 2005 trial.

Mottola and MJ also had their history, involving Sony/The Beatles Catalogue/Racist issues.
Racist issues had to do with the rights of black artists:
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And so on...

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Other Odd Things / Re: Mafia
« on: January 29, 2010, 01:47:33 PM »
Quote from: "Missyb007"
About that picture
I def. do NOT like that picture  :shock:  You see MJ's face like he's very mad, and that man who grabs his arm..... I don't like it ... AT ALL! :?
That guy grabbing him is Tohme

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Other Odd Things / Re: Mafia
« on: January 29, 2010, 01:46:03 PM »
It goes even deeper. The article about Malnik I posted previously also describes how MJ suspected Malnik/Mottola were behind the criminal child molestation charges, and that MJ believed Malnik to represent the mafia. Brett Ratner is mentioned as Malnik's protege.

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Other Odd Things / Re: Mafia
« on: January 29, 2010, 12:47:14 PM »
Randy and Michael were close

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Other Odd Things / Re: Mafia
« on: January 29, 2010, 12:42:11 PM »
Makes sense. Another option is that medical staff managed to save him at UCLA, and it was immediately decided to put him under protection, e.g. in a WPP.

The way that that much influence over his business and assets could have been gained, is for instance how it was done before:
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