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perhaps there never were any slip-ups, we might have read too much into somethings that might just have been simple mistakes? Idk, just trying to put two sides to everything...

We all have our opinions and my opinion is that people see what they WANT to see.

Yes, many times people do just that. The difference is that some are aware of that fact, some less aware...

I hear ya DancingTheDream although I quite like Jackie, he seems quite sincere compared to some of the brothers but that scenario would indeed fuel my questions about the family's confusing actions... Reading articles about Michael's kids, how they miss their dad and talk about him all the time, never ever makes me go - "wow, that might mean something to the hoax". These interviews just makes me want to cry my eyes out. I wanna see Michael walking around with his children, even if it's tabloid pics, because that's the way it should be  :( . I guess I live in my own dream world...

Im glad i am not alone in these thoughts.  x

Im even wondering now if the only reason Jackie took Prince to that basketball game, was to get some publicity for his t-shirts.   :?

Wouldn't that be just awful? :!:  But the sad thing is that it is possible...  :cry:
I'm glad you're still on this forum Dancing. You have a more nuanced way at seeing things, if u know what i mean? I've just recently started posting more frequently again, not sure why but I guess I just miss Michael and I'm desperate to know the truth...

[was recordered before June 25th 2009]

I think that the video where Kathering is shopping sleeping bags was recordered before June 25th 2009

Well, if that's true we're speculating in vain...

I see what you are all saying but I still believe one can't judge other people's actions by comparing them to how oneself would go about it, idk. I totally agree on what you're saying but I can't limit the possible scenarios because of how I would feel. And as someone mentioned above, what's up with Mrs. Jackson sueing then?

I know that each person grieves in their own way

Or differently ...
Been there done that only it was three close family member's in one year.

It does not matter if they are the King Of Pop or a normal person that you loved.
It has been my experience that I go into a state of auto pilot and numbness...perhaps shock.
You just do what you have to do and have the 19th nervous breakdown later...privately is my preference.

So yeah it looked odd to us spectator's ...unless you have walked that path ...WO the camera's.
It made all of the sense in the world to me when I heard Janet say..."jackson's don't cry." on the CNN interview.
Not in public anyway.

So you really cannot gauge their actions and decide that Michael is still alive from that.

^Yeah that. When I come to think of it, if Michael really is gone, my heart really bleeds a bit more for Mrs. Jackson because she never seem to have had the chance to grieve on her own. This due to the fact that she has to stay strong for Michael's children. If sleeping bags were needed for the kids she'd simply go and get them, that's how I see it. Having to stay composed for the sake of the children is not a new phenomenon is it? I mainly ask those that have kids that question cuz I don't have any myself but I've witnesses this protectiveness many times (my dear mum for example). Being a "Jackson", who've probably gotten used to fighting through things, makes this shopping event even less questionable (if there even is anything to question about it) imo.

@suspicious mind -  I've gotten the impression that they claim he was addicted to both... And to be honest I can't completely dismiss what they're claiming although I see no reason in sharing it with the whole world, cuz those are private matters. I do understand very well what you mean though  ;)  but why would Michael need to 'fess up' on such things? What's the purpose?

@curls - I appreciate you taking time to discuss my concerns, thanks!  :)  To be honest I'm not quite sure if I know for sure what made me look into the possibility of Michael being alive but I'll try to answer your questions. I first came across hoax videos by Jonellstar on YT and they were very straightforward and interesting (and not too far-fetched IMO). The things she were pointing out made me start questioning things that seemed strange and then I found and joined this forum a bit after that. I still kept a distance, kind of like a defense mechanism. The grief I've experienced with Michael's 'death' (still have a hard time saying that) was so intense and heartbreaking, it has really shocked me that I'd feel like this for someone I've never even seen live or known personally. So therefore I never fully committed to the idea of him being alive but I kept an open mind. I did have higher hopes last year though. Jonellstar stopped making videos and many of those 'strange things' are still unanswered but I'm realising that money might have a lot to do with it, or actually be the root of all mystery. As time has passed my hopes have just faded. Do you ever question the aspect of time? How long will this hoax, if there is one, have to go on? I do lean more against the idea of Michael being gone because none of the existing theories seem coherent enough or they just seem too far-fetched in one way or another IMO (of course this is just how I feel). If I were to be more specific, I'd take the family's actions, like I've mentioned, as one example. Other examples: the memorial with lots of grieving friends and fans, the kids being more exposed, the new album (Michael's touch just isn't there  :( ) etc. I feel like I'm holding on to that tiny bit of hope because I WANT this to be a hoax, I want Michael to be well and alive raising his kids... You see I don't care much for any message, numerology, or Michael proving something, all I want is for him to be alive and well and with his family. Sorry about the long post  :oops:

I find this very sad.

If Michael has died, these children are being used by their uncles to sell a clothing line.  Jackie is actually using these childrens grief in order to market some t-shirts!!!

Im not liking this one bit.  I can see that the Jackson5 have dollars in their eyes, and seem to be prepared to use MJs 3 children to make a quick buck.  Using a childs grief to market a clothing line is a bit sickening.  In fact, its an all time low.

This is not good at all.

(excuse me whilst i go and be sick somewhere)

Im sorry, but i cant see everything through rose coloured hoax glasses all the time.
When i read things like this, i cannot help but lose a bit more hope.  There is no excuse for this.

I hear ya DancingTheDream although I quite like Jackie, he seems quite sincere compared to some of the brothers but that scenario would indeed fuel my questions about the family's confusing actions... Reading articles about Michael's kids, how they miss their dad and talk about him all the time, never ever makes me go - "wow, that might mean something to the hoax". These interviews just makes me want to cry my eyes out. I wanna see Michael walking around with his children, even if it's tabloid pics, because that's the way it should be  :( . I guess I live in my own dream world...

Another example would be Katherine talking about Michael's plastic surgery with Oprah and how she thought he was addicted to it and, in her opinion, overdid it. Do you think Michael would "direct her to say that if this is all a "show"? As private as he seems and as reluctant as he's always been to talk about his surgeries, I just can't understand Katherine's action/comments (if they were to fit in with the theory).

I'm sorry about pushing this topic but it just makes me confused. It leads me to believe that:

1) The family could only speak like this about Michael if he really is gone  :cry:  which sadly makes sense to me...
or
2) They are not apart of Michael's plans but that just seems unlikely because his children are with his family...

Do you see why I'd like to understand how the family's behaviour could fit into the hoax?

If this is a hoax and the family are all in on it, I think they show immense love and support for their son/brother by going along with it, playing their roles for 20 months and counting, while still trying to live their 'normal' lives, with no-one saying they've had enough and spilling the beans. I tell you now, if one of my brothers came to me and asked if would I play along with him faking his death, I would have a very hard time agreeing to it. IMO the Jacksons are one strong family - and they've got MJ's back.

In that sense you're definitely right. It takes a lot to stand by something so big but what do you think about some of the specific things they've done (like some of the incidents that I mentioned) and how do you relate them to the hoax? I can't figure out how some of those actions would benefit Michael, you know? Or be in HIS best interest...

It's all part of the script, IMO.

yeah but to what use? To say that it's a part of a script is a simple answer to something without really getting into the details... But then again none of us knows the details, so I might just walk around in circles as usual. Anyway, I interpret your view (and some others) as ya'll believing in the "greatest show on earth (kind of like a "game") - scenario/theory" and I respect that. But how about the rest of you that believe in other theories? How do these actions fit into the theories you believe in?

Haven't some "medical people" already stated (on this forum) that propofol does not make you "sleep", therefore the body won't feel like it had had rest? Correct me if I'm wrong. Perhaps it affects people differently because it seems like Michael was desperate for it, poor thing  :cry: .

And TMZ sure have a beautiful way with words...  :roll:

yeah..is he really representing Rebbie, or is it her daughter Stacy?

Rebbie, at least that's the impression I've gotten from reading it on different sites. Well, Rebbie is also pushing the drug addict theory... Doesn't she love her brother?  :cry:  I don't know maybe she just has a strange way of showing it.

If this is a hoax and the family are all in on it, I think they show immense love and support for their son/brother by going along with it, playing their roles for 20 months and counting, while still trying to live their 'normal' lives, with no-one saying they've had enough and spilling the beans. I tell you now, if one of my brothers came to me and asked if would I play along with him faking his death, I would have a very hard time agreeing to it. IMO the Jacksons are one strong family - and they've got MJ's back.

In that sense you're definitely right. It takes a lot to stand by something so big but what do you think about some of the specific things they've done (like some of the incidents that I mentioned) and how do you relate them to the hoax? I can't figure out how some of those actions would benefit Michael, you know? Or be in HIS best interest...

Tell me who Stacy Brown is, I thought it was Rebbie's daughter...

It's a man first of all  ;) . He's a tabloid journalist who co-wrote "The man Behind the mask" together with Bob Jones (Michael's former relations consultant). Jones was fired during the trial and some say the book was a tell-all-book meant as payback towards Michael  :( . Whatever the goal was, they clearly wanted to earn some bucks in Michael's name. Wow, isn't that a new scenario?  :roll:

I was wondering about how you all interpret the family's role in this hoax?

IMO their actions are many times very confusing but then again they aren't the "regular" kind of family. I don't want to judge any of them but some things do upset me and I really don't understand their ways of showing their brother/son love...
What do you guys think about the fact that Stacy Brown is Rebbie's manager for example? Someone who contributed to making Michael's life more difficult  :x . Or that some of them are insisting that Michael was a drug addict? What do you think about Katherine going on Oprah with the kids? She can't be ignorant to the way Oprah has been depicting Michael (or indicated negative things). Don't get me started about Joe...  :roll:  :lol:

So what role do you think they play? I just can't see it in a coherent picture. Most of them just make themselves look selfish and greedy with no actual genuine thought of Michael  :( .

@Purelove

I guess it's that tiny bit of hope that's keeping me here... You know, the fact that I really want you to be right because I really do have a hard simply accepting it the way most of the world have accepted it. I don't have any bad intentions posting what I do, I just still wonder about things and sometimes I also get upset. I'm only human (pun intended  ;) ).

I hope you don't mind if I ask you WHY you think Michael would want us to see the invisible and believe the unbelievable knowing that only a few 1000 would? I just want to hear your opinion on that, definitely not trying to argue or anything. And your right about being in the middle and torturing oneself but being a non-believer that has accepted things the way they are must be equally painful I guess... I'm still a mess when it comes to Michael no matter what I believe, sadly enough.