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« on: January 03, 2012, 09:06:04 AM »
Riddle me this: did you ask all of those who were working in the sky rises, surrounding the WTC? I did, whom I knew. They aren't the same, never will be. You had to be there, to understand. Those of us sitting, watching via tv screen, didn't get the full impact.
There was one video, were some friends were videotaping it, and were trying to wish the second plane away.
You see, the towers were created to take a direct hit, but not to take the stress of that amount of heat, from the heat of the fuel. There's info from the architects themselves out, I needn't explain more.
I don't trust MEDIA, nor Jesse Ventura. That's a TV show, created to cause hype. I know what my friends saw - planes hitting, people jumping.
This is one conspiracy I don't bite. I do concur, that the towers weren't making the dough they used to, and needed the owner & renter to fill it more effectively.
I see no reason to quantify my reasoning. The answer is in the *BEAMS.*
It's perfectly OK to believe the fuel was the reason. But I take it you believing it because that's the official version. Let me politely ask you to take a different view for once? It's not about conspiracy. And just because someone names it 'conspiracy' doesn't mean it's not or there's not a sinister plan behind it. We have been terrorised every since when flying. Everytime we fly we are presumed to be criminals by default > see these so called security checkpoints on airports. How about the employee paths to infiltrate hijackers or others. We are constantly being criminalised - and we do nothing but just want to take a trip to somewhere. I agree with you not trusting Jesse Ventura or others. That's why I look at what I SEE and try to use my brain. And with those towers ... hello?! The official version IS a lie. Period. However I want to make it clear that I do see that a lot of people are shocked at what happened. I can empathize with them and my heart does go out to each and every one. But this side of the medal musn't overlap what is a lie. I am 100% sure these buildings were built super solid. No way the heat could have brought down both building the way they fell down. And both the same way. WTF?? And how weird is it that the second (hit) tower 'fell' before the first tower that was hit? That disqualifies the heat reasoning, aka official version, by default. The max that should have happened when believing the official version :roll: should have been that the top would sink in and MAYBE parts of the top right above the crash site falling down. But 2 buildings crashing the same way like in a controlled demolition just because both were hit by planes ... by free fall speed WTF?? I've spoken to guys who do controlled demolitions and they all said, these buildings came down via controlled demoliton. Just look at the steel colossuses which have magically been 'cut' just the way demoliton experts place thermite on stell. You get the details on that with the movie 'Zeitgeist' which is on this forum somewhere. I highly recommend it. And on a side note, no way the heat was able to go down all the way to the ground floor in such a short time. WTF?? Thermite is way hotter than jet fuel. And yet on another side note: I spoke to an airline pilot instructor while making a flight simulation on a boing 737 - he said, he and his collegues tried many times what so called trainee pilots allegedly accomplished - with no success. He said neither he nor other of his pilot friends could hit the towers. Oh, yeah. And some of those suicide hijackers are still alive .... michael-jackson/ PS: You are not allowed to view links.
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« on: January 03, 2012, 03:32:08 AM »
There is another aspect of Water in this whole awakening process. Considering Michaels' casual singing in TII of the word 'Water' while walking away from the camera, turning his back against the viewer, we also have to think of our industrialised world in terms of legal aspects. What is legal? What is LAWful? Legal or illegal is something that can be changed at the whimp of someones mood. Law cannot be changed. So, Legal are all statues and codes, GIVEN THE FORCE OF LAW. Law itself can never be changed. It is uninterpretable and is simple to understand. Now WATER stands for our legal system. The Law of Water (Admirality Law/Maritime Law) has taken over our courts of law on land without us knowing. Now, there might be some lawyers here disagreeing with me, as they have been taught otherwise. Our courts de jure have been changed into courts de facto. Which means administrative procedure has taken over. Is there just a hearing, then it is a court de facto - not a court de jure. An established court by procedure. The law of the land has been changed into the law of water. Which is all commercial. We are commercial entitiy. We take a plane, we are commercial good transported between two air'ports' with 'commerical' airplanes. As long as everything is happening in a commercial field we have to obey the rules. Water rules. But THIS particular rabbit hole goes much deeper. See f.e. Dean Clifford on YouTube and watch all there is to watch: You are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginThere is still much to learn about the (legal) world we live in. MUCH as I am also just 4 years old in this matter. :mrgreen: But the deception is even bigger than we can imagine. The world is NOT what it seems. Dean f.e. explains it. You will fall from your chair. 'WATER' we need to put down our fears of the legal world, walk away and take back our full responsibility. For now we have given our consent to be robbed by governments. Lose our fears and stop giving our consent and TPTB will fall apart. Happy New Year to all of you from me for now, michael-jackson/
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« on: November 18, 2011, 04:53:19 PM »
OK. For just some ODD reason ... :roll: this sound soooooo fabricated WTF?? :roll: :mrgreen:
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« on: November 18, 2011, 02:50:08 PM »
No.1
I guess we have to ask another question: Who's to say in these media videos it really WAS Michael? Who of the media can prove that they really filmed 'Michaels' corpse being transported. How did the media know that Michael will be transported by a helicopter ...? All ready with another heli? It's as if someone was inside with those guys transporting 'Michael' and then telling the helicopters that 'We're on our way with Michael'. VERY UNLIKELY-IF if is not a hoax. Which also means, (speculation) that the guys transporting a gurney with someone wrapped up in sheets on it only received an order to transfer 'that body' with the sherrifs' heli, change of plans. We have been told it was Michael, but they can tell us anything. I say, it was someone else who really died and the guys just had the order to bring the body up onto the roof to a heli for a transfer to the coroner. They did not know anyhting or who it was, ergo, they were used as a smoke screen. Without knowing it. Change of plans can always happen. But most don't ask further questions.
No. 2
is in works ... :-)
Thank you very much. On page 17 I have said the same thing. I'm really a bit sad as it feels sometimes as if this is some exclusive club where others have no big chance to dive into. I got one post answering my post.
With many voices and many opinions, sometimes you just have to shout above the crowd 
...I hear you...I'm listening....Thank you. respect/
Thank you, too. bearhug I know, I was just getting a bit frustrated and i know that the discussion is hothothothot /cook/. But back to topic, shall we? 
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« on: November 18, 2011, 02:45:37 PM »
Okay,
Here's what I think....the helicopter/van transport was a test.
Not a scene in a movie, not a clue to decipher etc....a simple test.
What if the person we saw being transported to the Coroners office had absolutely nothing to do with Michael Jackson.
My reason for thinking this is who told the media the body was going to be airlifted? :?
Are we just blindly assuming the helicopter transport was MJ based on "seeing" him go into the hospital and what the media said?
Just because we see a body being air transported to the Coroner, that is suppose to convince us that it was MJ?....It could have been a regular John Doe for all we know.
...I think we're chasing our tail for no reason. We're still following what is being "shown"/"told" to us.
The ambulance story ended with it's arrival at UCLA...we had the pieces of the puzzle all along.
Flashback....
Remember during the trial when they claimed Dr. Murray tried to kill himself and they flashed this picture of someone being transported to the hospital by ambulance? People jumped to conclusions that it had to be Murray?
What if it's the same lesson and we still aren't getting it?
#epicfail
Thank you very much. On page 17 I have said the same thing. I'm really a bit sad as it feels sometimes as if this is some exclusive club where others have no big chance to dive into. I got one post answering my post.
Don't be sad friend. Here is a hug to make you feel better!
bearhug
Sending you lots of LOVE!!!!!! 
Thank you. bearhug
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« on: November 18, 2011, 12:59:26 PM »
Can we all agree that one ambulance was at Carrolwood on 6/25/09 and that one ambulance did indeed go to UCLA?
These two factors were successfully and collectively established, is that correct?
Yes, i agree with those two points
Me, too.
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« on: November 18, 2011, 12:58:31 PM »
Okay,
Here's what I think....the helicopter/van transport was a test.
Not a scene in a movie, not a clue to decipher etc....a simple test.
What if the person we saw being transported to the Coroners office had absolutely nothing to do with Michael Jackson.
My reason for thinking this is who told the media the body was going to be airlifted? :?
Are we just blindly assuming the helicopter transport was MJ based on "seeing" him go into the hospital and what the media said?
Just because we see a body being air transported to the Coroner, that is suppose to convince us that it was MJ?....It could have been a regular John Doe for all we know.
...I think we're chasing our tail for no reason. We're still following what is being "shown"/"told" to us.
The ambulance story ended with it's arrival at UCLA...we had the pieces of the puzzle all along.
Flashback....
Remember during the trial when they claimed Dr. Murray tried to kill himself and they flashed this picture of someone being transported to the hospital by ambulance? People jumped to conclusions that it had to be Murray?
What if it's the same lesson and we still aren't getting it?
#epicfail
Thank you very much. On page 17 I have said the same thing. I'm really a bit sad as it feels sometimes as if this is some exclusive club where others have no big chance to dive into. I got one post answering my post.
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« on: November 16, 2011, 06:26:08 AM »
No.1
I guess we have to ask another question: Who's to say in these media videos it really WAS Michael? Who of the media can prove that they really filmed 'Michaels' corpse being transported. How did the media know that Michael will be transported by a helicopter ...? All ready with another heli? It's as if someone was inside with those guys transporting 'Michael' and then telling the helicopters that 'We're on our way with Michael'. VERY UNLIKELY-IF if is not a hoax. Which also means, (speculation) that the guys transporting a gurney with someone wrapped up in sheets on it only received an order to transfer 'that body' with the sherrifs' heli, change of plans. We have been told it was Michael, but they can tell us anything. I say, it was someone else who really died and the guys just had the order to bring the body up onto the roof to a heli for a transfer to the coroner. They did not know anyhting or who it was, ergo, they were used as a smoke screen. Without knowing it. Change of plans can always happen. But most don't ask further questions.
No. 2
is in works ... :-)
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« on: September 27, 2011, 03:18:41 PM »
WTF?? Haven't posted in a while - this looks soooo staged. As if they made sure his head was turned so it was seen ... WTF??
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« on: May 05, 2011, 01:51:02 AM »
Maybe this will lighten up the day for some yet again losing hope:
Sinderella opened the thread about the Barnum circus coming to Staples Center again. OK. Remember, that the memorial and the circus timewise went hand in hand. And we all know it's "The Greatest Show On Earth". With Jermaine addressing the hoax and hence pulling attention to it AND the "Greatest Show On Earth" coming to town we are asked NOT to forget it's a show. The annual return of this circus was carefully chosen as to remind us every year of what this is - a show. mj_bad/
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« on: May 05, 2011, 12:59:17 AM »
The Circus seems to have a steady tour home at Staples Center. It was held there in 2010 as well. Even if it is regular at Staples ... the fact that Michaels' "Memorial" went with the circus' elephants moving in means that we will forever contribute the 'Greatest show on earth' with Michael. I think it's Michaels' way of reminding us during his absence that his disappearance is just that: "The greatest Show On Earth". elvis_/ party/
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« on: April 28, 2011, 03:04:58 AM »
:lol: BOOOOORING - to say the least :lol: This is pretty much just what it is: 'news' that isn't news. This reporter obviously just had the job to re-write the content of the fake will, to re-write something already 'known', just wrapped in new 'clothes'. Least of it all is this a confirmation MJ is 'dead'. I can't see anything about it to worry. :mrgreen:
EDIT: Or he had to fill space ... create just SOMETHING ... *yawn*
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« on: April 20, 2011, 10:20:06 AM »
Thanks for posting the interview.
Is it me or does he stress A LIL' TOO MUCH, how 'raw, unintended, the footage of TII was?! :shock: ... how they did NOT plan it ... how all scenes were NOT staged at all. He took every chance of stating how innocent all went ... *shaking heads* For my taste a bit too much.
EDIT: To me, he gave it away that this is a hoax :lol:
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« on: April 19, 2011, 03:33:23 AM »
Thanx, Scorpionchick, for posting the pictures. I can surely sign what you've seen  When I was there a bit more than a year ago I was also surprised at how narrow that street was. What stroke me personally was also, how SHORT that bit of street between Sunset and the corner of Carolwood/Monovale was. And as short as it was, as winded it was. The google map picture uploaded by 2good2btrue shows, Sunset practically lies just behind the grass knoll (hight above the blue car). Plus it isn't quite obvious to see but I thought that little street is pretty steep/going practically over a hill. But nevertheless, I have to agree with Scorpionchick saying she thinks, he wasn't even living there. That was the feeling I had, when I was there December a year ago. Because Scorpionchicks' statement, that the area is pretty crowded around MJs alleged last home is simply correct and it does raise the question, if MJ would live in such a crowded narrow place - no matter how thick the walls surrounding this home are.
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« on: March 31, 2011, 02:04:38 AM »
La Toya, La Toya. Bless her heart. Yet another story ... she should write chrildrens books and read them to kids in shopping malls. Anyways, sorry for being a bit mean She asked people to drive her to the hospital, her legs got so week so she couldn't drive herself anymore? :? :shock: :shock: ... If I remember correctly there is a picture of her in her car. Behind the wheel :shock: . She was by herself and there is a picture of her walking into the hospital - by herself. On top of that has ANYbody heard about ANYone coming forward telling the story, that La Toya ran around asking for someone to drive her to the hospital? Aw-Aw. It just seemed she yet added some more drama to the story to keep it going. The crying - a no-buy. EDIT: Plus, she is almost bubbly while talking about that day. It seemed to me that her body and her facial expressions spoke a complete different story than the story she told Ellen. It just doesn't sit right with me.
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