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WOW! That sarcophage is HUGE!  :icon_question: It never made the impression it was so tall ...  :WTF: Yeah, I know La Toya is a petite but still ....  :icon_question:

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Uh, like I go to the grave of my grandmother to say something like that...!? I find this a highly unsuitable choice of words as it really inflicts on the reader she has seen him in person and chatted with him. 

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The Murder Theory / Re: My theory on the murder/killing of MJ
« on: June 01, 2012, 01:25:59 AM »
I agree with Bec, that it's a long planned thingy. Personally I have always added my 'it's payback time' slogan to that whole story - something I stick to until today (MJ's way of saying :images:). Because watching the estate doing what it does, how all the 'snakes' are coming out wanting to cash in on the MJ legacy, it just has always given me the feeling that this was fully considered by Michaels in order to expose them later. Actually, they all expose themselves, he just had to 'die' to have the greedy ones come crawling out of their tombs and have them show their true face. The clues are too meticulously in itself to just be coincidence. So this project really is happening and working on many levels.

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And if I'm supposed to respect someone's feelings if the feeling is liking Hitler and hating the Jews,

THIS is twisting to suit an agenda.

Really? Did you even read AKHTONI'S post?

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I like adolf hitler and what's the problem?

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the jews killed each others and they called it holocaust and put the whole blame on hitler.

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And from israel, the jews give orders and commanding the world ( binky and brain) ( actually they are everywhere after the alleged holocaust they started immigration . even to north pole  )....... and the history is long ,you know

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Yes I did and I doubt this holocaust and wait they did a conspiracies before they are known as prophets killers right?if they did this with prophets how about normal human being

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they control almost the whole  world and when they reach 100% it's  the EOW (armagedon)

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sorry I've never talked positively about them cause it's hard to find the good side.

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when a jew say yes ,I say NO I can't trust them they don't do what they say

But whatever, like I said, this thing is obviously deep-rooted on this forum and if YOU want this kind of stuff on your forum .... I honestly didn't think you do, especially after seeing the thread about the chimpout and stormfront, but I was so totally wrong. You obviously support anti-Semitism on here and use anti-Semites like David Icke, Jeff Rense or Bradley R. Smith as sources all the time. I can't even wrap my head around the belief that this political ideology has anything to do with Michael and the death hoax, but you put them together somehow, for me that's like 2 puzzles pieces that don't fit together at all.

Oh, and btw. .... what I said about Front is not coercion. I really mean that, everybody has their reasons to either believe he is fake or legit. I just told you what my reasons for jumping of the fence would be. Am I not allowed to have my own opinion? He will react if he wants to, I don't force him and I couldn't if I wanted to, I just voiced my opinion regarding what would make him fake for me for good.

Don't know about Jeff Rense or Bradley R. Smith, but to call David Icke an anti-semit?  :icon_question: I have attended two lectures of his so far and never ever have I gotten the impression he was anti-semitic or against the concept of God. At All. He goes beyond labels. New Age? Don't even got THAT impression. Anyhow, Michael - as I believe - has also surpassed labels (exept for explanations). He surely understood what goes on in the world and realised a long time ago, that LOVE is the answer. Nothing more or less. Labels are just no good. And wether someone believes in the Elite running the world or not: it doesn't erase the facts that fundamental freedoms are continously stripped from us with nowadays lousy justifications (their favourite: 'for security reasons'). The constant worldwide Anti-Semitism screamings - IMHO - are simply a tool to keep the people in a state of hate and distrust. I chose to give my impression on David Icke for reasons of explaining but that's it. What difference does it make if republican or democrat anyways? Not one. As the money rules the world. BTW wonderful song of Michael "Money".

Love you all :bearhug:

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Dear Hoax Friends,

I know it's disgusting what was written. But try to see another dimension to it: possible mind control. Matt was planted into Michaels' circle by Uri Geller (who in turn worked for the CIA, who is big in Mind Control). He wasn't a bodyguard for a long time and that was in the 1990ies. There are quite a few quotes that pretty much confirm the mind control issue.

- MJ against jews? No, he had a problem with the zionists.
- MJ talking about spider bites when addressing alleged needle marks? The spider is the elite - and the bites from the elite are tazer injuries - why else would Michael show both legs if he wanted to hide needle marks?  :animal0017: :WTF:
- MJ, a Nazi, needed re-programming? Sure, he was against Zionists and needed to be put back in line. The elite (being Zionists) want their biggest asset on their side. "No need for problems ... so, let's reprogram him, that he won't stand in our way when following through with our agenda." The nazis' are the ones that handled MJ - clearly not MJ. Hello? :images:

So, Matt discribes also a time frame that was almost a decade ago. As harsh as it sounds, this article is clearly talking about much more serious matters. And pretty clearly on top of it.

EDIT: Great jacket, Mike! You go! :penguin:

The tazer injuries got me thinking. Need to think some more about that.
I remember reading about that here:

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Interesting.....

This IS interesting. I know it's off topic here but for reasons of clarification:

This is one of the injuries Michael suffered from:


And this is a typical tazer injury:

The bump on Michaels forearm cannot possibly be from too tight handcuffs. This bump I am sure is a tazer injury.

This is Michaels' alleged spider bite:


in comparison to a real brown reclusive spider bite (one of many pictures on the web):


I'm sorry, but no way, THIS was a spider bite. EDIT: the wound should be round - not uneven like in Michaels' case.

OK, I was going to post some images of other electric burn wounds. But I would like to spare you with the view. But for all others, go google electric injuries/high voltage electric burns and you'll get the idea that Michael did NOT suffer injuries from accidentally tearing out an IV. Hello? Why else would he show BOTH legs ...

EDIT EDIT: close to the ankle there are also stun gun marks. Go check the web for stun gun wounds on MK Ultra victims, JoBenet Ramsey f.e.
Could the stun gun incident with the Jackson kids indicate such usage?!  :icon_question:

Go check the link of  Bonnie Cox' blog which MaryK has posted. Bonnie has made amazing work in analzing a lot of things and she just put in words what I suspecting just for myself.

 


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Oh, how I hope these guys are setting themselves up to sooooooooooooo much ridicule, falsly thinking they are in a safe place. I soooo hope that that was also part of Michaels' plan: to have all those leeches come forward with crap, feeling safe b/c of thinking MJ is dead anyway, and then - BAM!! they will be the laughter of the world. PLUS, this whole stinking news stuff will be exposed also.  :michael-jackson: :michael_jackson-1135:

 ;D

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Dear Hoax Friends,

I know it's disgusting what was written. But try to see another dimension to it: possible mind control. Matt was planted into Michaels' circle by Uri Geller (who in turn worked for the CIA, who is big in Mind Control). He wasn't a bodyguard for a long time and that was in the 1990ies. There are quite a few quotes that pretty much confirm the mind control issue.

- MJ against jews? No, he had a problem with the zionists.
- MJ talking about spider bites when addressing alleged needle marks? The spider is the elite - and the bites from the elite are tazer injuries - why else would Michael show both legs if he wanted to hide needle marks?  :animal0017: :WTF:
- MJ, a Nazi, needed re-programming? Sure, he was against Zionists and needed to be put back in line. The elite (being Zionists) want their biggest asset on their side. "No need for problems ... so, let's reprogram him, that he won't stand in our way when following through with our agenda." The nazis' are the ones that handled MJ - clearly not MJ. Hello? :images:

So, Matt discribes also a time frame that was almost a decade ago. As harsh as it sounds, this article is clearly talking about much more serious matters. And pretty clearly on top of it.

EDIT: Great jacket, Mike! You go! :penguin:

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TMZ Articles / Re: Tupac arise (hologram) together with Snoop
« on: April 27, 2012, 02:10:59 PM »
A good evening, hoax believers!

Here is a link to the how they allegedly did the hologram:

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So ... being not exactly tech savy (but not un-talented either :icon_e_biggrin:) ... I have to wonder about the angle of the transparent foil where the image - according to this technique - is reflected. However, shouldn't Tupacs image actually be distorted with a 45° angle? Unless you correct that before the reflection? And Tupac was clearly not distorted.

What disturbs me mostly about this 'technique' is: according to my knowledge a reflected/projected image as they've presented is not a hologram. And what I've seen on this video - and mind you this is just from what I've seen on the video - this seemed not to be just a simple reflection. If it was, then all three objects (camera, reflecting surface and projection foil) would have to be fixed at a 45° angle to erase distortion.

Add the fact, that the crowd was pretty close to the stage, and Snoop and Tupac were pretty close to the edge of the stage, hence there was not enough space for a reflecting surface. Angle of projection and width of reflecting ground - I say that was NOT how Tupac was 'made alive'.

Conventional science claims that a hologram as in Star Wars is not yet possible, so when Tupac was a hologram:

What yet unknown technique WAS used?

If it was NOT then one can not speak of a hologram but rather a simple reflected image. It would be a misleading of the crowd when speaking of a hologram. While I am convinced that the technical evolution is way ahead of its time on a military/intelligence/ level I highly doubt it would be used now just for fun by projecting Tupac with Snoop. Especially when considering project Bluebeam which I doubt would let the music business use its technique first. The effect of the (maybe) planned sky showdown would be blowing in the wind ...

EDIT: unless the projection foil was fixed in a 90° angle right at the front of the stage and he was projected from the back of the stage. Still there would be a beam visible ... so, no. 

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Michael Jackson News / Re: Pepsi is Honoring MJ
« on: April 10, 2012, 08:52:32 AM »
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Water....water.....

 :beerchug:

Regarding the new pepsi package: Sure, Sony buddy Branca must have done that deal. 10 % for him with every dime coming into the estate ...   :screaming-7365:

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AEG ~ Sony / Re: Protest against AEGLive in support of Mrs. Jackson
« on: April 10, 2012, 08:46:03 AM »
Thank you for that link. Interesting read - actually the whole website ....

I have come to the conclusion that AEG cannot be the one held responsible thanx to Bonnie Cox' fabulously researched blog 'Michaelsguardian'. So, full credit of the underneath written goes to Bonny Cox. I support her theory that Sony is to be the one to hold responsible for this fiasco. Michael had disputes with Sony long before AEG Live appeared on the scene. His life was made miserable for many years before. AEG involvement is too short. To point fingers at AEG is too easy, hence, smokes and mirrors so noone takes a closer look at Sony. On this blog it is also clearly stated, that a fullblown written 'contract' between AEG and CM was not in existance, BUT only an agreement. Question :icon_question: An agreement lying on Michaels' death bed? So it just happens that Michael leaves such agreements lying around in his bedroom JUST the day he dies?   :WTF:This sounds too staged IMHO. Why Katherine filed that suit? I suspect, that she - like all others in the family - are probably under threat. Am still figuring out from whom, but it points to Sony, whose minion Branca is working for Sonys extra profit of Michaels' work. I think Miss Katherine HAD to file against AEG to help the minons keep up the scam. Again, so that noone looks in the direction of Sony. All I know is that Miss Katherine NEVER looks like a fighter when it comes to law suits, she rather looks like she'd rather be somewhere else ...

And conveniently Whitney Houston also dead (in the eyes of Sony)... while under contract with Sony ... she allegedly had the same money problems like MJ?!  :WTF: Here's the link

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Sorry, I don't buy that. There is too much system behind these deaths (hoax > MJ). Make them bankrupt, have long stories of drug usage in the papers, have them die (ritual sacrifice?) and then cash in but tell heirs, oh, sorry, the loans were not paid. Come ON!  :over-react-smiley:

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I am devided in the moon hoax. There are striking explanations pro and con. As I can't check their validity myself, I just have to let it simmer and have it evolve over time. Though, I tend to go with the moon hoax, as I just don't believe their capsule was secure enough to pass the van allen belt to start with. Also, that the film cameras' film role would have been secure enough to not be affected by the radiation on the moon is a valid doubt. Just by using common sense and a little basic knowledge supports the hoax theory. But as I said. I don't know  :Pulling_hair:

I saw David ickes' lecture on the moon during easter 2011. It was quite entertaining/catching! I take this information in.  :Pulling_hair: ;D

Is David Icke a false prophet? An Illuminati Agent (because he's still alive: good point :affraid:) Quite frankly: it's of no importance for me. I have read most of his books, all since Greatest Secret. And the information is what has made a much better person of me. I understand my responsibilities in my life towards my surrounding, my child, the people around me, etc. Also, as with Michaels' message, it's about the information itself. Michaels' message has made it clear to me that the children HAVE to be protected by all means. So, his message underlines what David Icke in general talks about. And it underlines it tremendously.

As for the talk about wether he's a false prophet or not or if reptilians exist or not: they are simply distractions from the message itself. Do I believe in reptilians? I can't say I have met one, yet :thjajaja121:. But I can't either say they don't exist.  :LolLolLolLol:But I know there is a possibility of all that. It's the possibility that I believe. But from what I have been watching happening in the world for the past 10-12 years since being exposed to David Ickes' info I just can say that a lot of his information is shockingly valid. What do I care about him being a false prophet or Illuminati agent, when his information has helped me open up my mind and heart understanding the importance of Love and only Love?
So, I just chose to believe that all this false prophet talk is the same simple distraction as the discussion about the reptilians (AKA democrates vs. republicans, socialist, liberals, etc.): so noone concentrates on the actual content of his information. Nice distraction. Even false prophets tell parts of the truth. In the end we all have to decide for ourselves.

MFFreedom, great post!
We’ve been discussing the Nephilim and the moon, and Ick’s theories on this thread. Since you’ve read his books, it would be great if you added your thoughts to the mix!
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Thanks. OK, I just want to give a quick overview of his theory which is, that the moon in actuality is a giant space ship (HIS theory, not mine, OK  ;D that once was placed in its current position as it is so incredibly accurately in distance between earth and son (if I remember correctly). The zulu shaman, Credo Mutwa, confirms this from his own tribe that there was a time when there was no moon. What is funny is, that, no matter how big the craters on the moon are in diameter, they are NEVER just once deeper than the smaller ones. There are investigative books out there about the moon, which talk about that the inner shell of the moon is of metalic in its substance, hence, after a detonation of some TNT the scientists reported a sound like a bell that would sustain for quite a while. Further, it is said to have been intented to have 'the moon' face earth always from the same side, that on the backside of the moon is actually the entrance into the ship, more or less like the death star from Star Wars, where ships are coming and going without being seen from the earth. If you want, I can give you the titles. Now, moving away from the 'physical' aspects of the moon to the the purpose of the moon. David Icke says, that the moon also sends out a strong electric signal, that affects the decoding in our brain. Those who are not yet familiar with his work: we are not seeing with our eyes, as they only pick up electrical signals which are decoded in our brain to pictures, hence, we 'see' with our brain as the brain forms the pictures. This signal not only affects our decoding abilities, but also that the photons, coming from the sun, which according to him are extremely important for us to stay healthy, are also changed. Something like a change in the DNA of the photons. Photons would help our own vibrations to evolve, whereas the electrically changed form of photons prevents us from doing so. This signal also puts a certain vibration around the world, that prevents us humans further to access our true knowledge, that according to him is inherent in each and every one of us, we just can't access it due to that circumstance. Whoever has seen 'They Live', that's pretty much how everything works according to him (the glasses change the electrical impulses from the outside world so our brain decodes the impulses now exposing the orders everywhere like consum, don't think, obey, etc. In the end, the sender on top of the TV studio is destoyed and suddenly the people see the aliens. So much for the movie. Bottomline is, the moon isn't what it is presented to be, even John Lear jr., who I am still at odds with even after five years, claims, that there are daily anti -gravity shuttles going up to the moon to get helium 3. Just recently I saw an official documentary where they stated, that the moon is full of helium 3 (better than Uran) ... go figure that one out.

As I've said, to me, everything is possible. I personally don't believe I need to know if each detail is true. I need to have the bigger picture. And the bigger picture is what we're not supposed to see, because it would free us. That's why I don't engage into discussions if aliens exist or not, as that is intented distraction from the bigger picture, but the possibility is there. We are slaves, we are far too easy engaged in emotional debates, when they are really of no importance. So, I really believe, we need to get back to the roots. Our love, our heart, for some, God. I respect David Icke, but I don't worship him. I've stopped worshipping anyone.

Any thoughts are very appreciated.  ;D

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I am devided in the moon hoax. There are striking explanations pro and con. As I can't check their validity myself, I just have to let it simmer and have it evolve over time. Though, I tend to go with the moon hoax, as I just don't believe their capsule was secure enough to pass the van allen belt to start with. Also, that the film cameras' film role would have been secure enough to not be affected by the radiation on the moon is a valid doubt. Just by using common sense and a little basic knowledge supports the hoax theory. But as I said. I don't know  :Pulling_hair:

I saw David ickes' lecture on the moon during easter 2011. It was quite entertaining/catching! I take this information in.  :Pulling_hair: ;D

Is David Icke a false prophet? An Illuminati Agent (because he's still alive: good point :affraid:) Quite frankly: it's of no importance for me. I have read most of his books, all since Greatest Secret. And the information is what has made a much better person of me. I understand my responsibilities in my life towards my surrounding, my child, the people around me, etc. Also, as with Michaels' message, it's about the information itself. Michaels' message has made it clear to me that the children HAVE to be protected by all means. So, his message underlines what David Icke in general talks about. And it underlines it tremendously.

As for the talk about wether he's a false prophet or not or if reptilians exist or not: they are simply distractions from the message itself. Do I believe in reptilians? I can't say I have met one, yet :thjajaja121:. But I can't either say they don't exist.  :LolLolLolLol:But I know there is a possibility of all that. It's the possibility that I believe. But from what I have been watching happening in the world for the past 10-12 years since being exposed to David Ickes' info I just can say that a lot of his information is shockingly valid. What do I care about him being a false prophet or Illuminati agent, when his information has helped me open up my mind and heart understanding the importance of Love and only Love?
So, I just chose to believe that all this false prophet talk is the same simple distraction as the discussion about the reptilians (AKA democrates vs. republicans, socialist, liberals, etc.): so noone concentrates on the actual content of his information. Nice distraction. Even false prophets tell parts of the truth. In the end we all have to decide for ourselves.

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The Bible References / Re: New blog: For we walk by faith, not by sight
« on: January 11, 2012, 09:19:47 AM »
A much appreciated blog, Souza. And I fully agree with its content. We have to keep Michaels belief in mind even if some don't share it the same way he does. I am one of those. There IS a higher order that I have come to feel many times, one might call it god, but I just call it L.O.V.E. which is in us anyway. There is this saying 'God works in many ways' or something like that. That I believe to be true for it is revealed to me differently as to others. Many forms, same content.

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25 MINUTES AGO BY TMZ STAFF



Dr. Conrad Murray is asking the judge in his criminal case to deny Michael Jackson's family full restitution, on grounds MJ caused his own death.

Murray filed legal docs yesterday -- obtained by TMZ -- asking for evidence the defense never received during the trial ... evidence that could show Michael self-administered the fatal dose of Propofol.

Murray's lawyer, Michael Flanagan, argues that in deciding how much restitution the family gets, it's appropriate to consider the victim's responsibility for his own demise.

So Murray will concede he's partly to blame -- he can't argue otherwise because of the conviction -- but he still wants to prove that MJ ultimately caused his own death.

The prosecution is asking for around $100 million in restitution, but the judge hasn't decided on a figure.  But once the figure is set, if Flanagan gets his way and the judge were to decide MJ was 50% responsible for his death, the judge would reduce the restitution award by 50%.

So the fat lady hasn't sung ... yet.

uhu ... how true, as MJ planned to 'die' in the public eye.  penguin/ He'll prove the hoax (hopefully)

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TIAI ~ 2012 / Re: TIAI January 3rd
« on: January 03, 2012, 09:22:16 AM »
Front and Back ... interesting

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