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References & Similarities / Re: Michael said goodbye
« on: December 05, 2009, 10:43:58 PM »
I hate reading these, too, hope. But here's my thoughts on posts like these: You can analyze and try to explain what you think Michael would do until your eyes and ears bleed. But if you didn't know the man personally, you have no idea whatsoever what he would do.

Every stranger's opinion about his actual or hypothetical actions are just speculation, and speculation will get you nowhere when it comes to trying to figure out a complicated person like Michael, who had an even more complicated life. The facts and reality are what matter most. Unfortunately, we believers don't have access to the facts we need, and probably never will.

I don't know if Michael is coming back or not, and I'm not going to spend any time trying to predict whether or not he's coming back. However, I truly hope he does because I don't believe he's dead and I also think life will eventually be much better for him if he returns (really, I do).

But if he doesn't return, that won't necessarily change my opinion about him still being with us. Of course, if I had known him personally before June 25, I might be singing an entirely different tune. But I didn't. So, all I can do is wait, see what happens, and keep my fingers crossed that we see him again someday when the world is prepared to be kinder to him. And I do still think that's a possibility.

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I've been waiting for this a very long time, so I'm thrilled. Finally someone who knows the truth will talk about it to the general public, free of bias, ignorance, and the usual nonsense the media applies to Michael.

According to excellent English music writer Charles Thomson, one of the few writers who consistently writes about Michael with respect and extensive factual knowledge, author Aphrodite Jones has a documentary in the works about Michael's crapola 2005 child-molestation trial.

For those who don't know, Jones was the only reporter willing to write the truth after the trial about how the media intentionally set out to condemn Michael in the court of public opinion, despite overwhelming evidence that he was completely innocent of ALL the bogus accusations. Read her fantastic 2005 book You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login for the real deal.

Also read Charles' blog post You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login for additional information about Jones' involvement in the trial and her forthcoming documentary, which will be part of her new TV series called True Crime. I hope as many people as possible get to watch this very important television event.

Apologies if this has been posted already. I couldn't find anything about it.

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I've heard that particular incident and filming were staged, so it might not be as heartbreaking as it initially seems. For instance, notice how some of the fans approach Michael carrying his merchandise. Why were they just lugging that around with them on a normal day? Hmmm...

I don't know if it was staged or not, though, but it was definitely ridiculous how people would crowd him and treat him like he was a magical object instead of a human being.

I never have understood how you can claim to love or admire someone so much and then not treat them with dignity and respect. And to me, all of the screaming and grabbing and pushing and staring and mobbing are just as disrespectful as the nasty crap some people spread about him.

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Interesting read, especially right around June 25.

For a man who's very well-known in the entertainment biz for numerous successful projects, most famously the High School Musical movies and Dirty Dancing, I find it odd that so many of Kenny's tweets focus on Michael or things that readers can assume are related to Michael. I wonder when/if he'll ever move on.

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Quote from: "mjssoulmate"
Quote from: "Harleyblonde"
Quote from: "lisap27"
don't wanna sound like the party pooper.. but they could just be souveniers that they got form the show like when they went to that bodies exhibition.. Michael was wearing one of them t-shirts!!

sorry just a thought!!  :roll:
I agree, I think maybe with everyone's state of mind since 25th June and things being rather quiet just now some are reading into trivial things as "clues", if this was the case with the very many "clues" that have been left for us then it must be the worst planned botched up hoax for donkeys years! Sorry but I am finding all these so called "clues" rather far fetched.

I totally agree with you both.  We are all desperate for new clues, but we must be careful with things that are really just coincidences.
Ditto, ditto, and ditto, except for the desperate part. I don't need "clues" to support my belief that Michael didn't die on June 25. The many inconsistencies and contradictions are enough for me.

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Quote from: "Léa"
I was on the ancient forum and I can't believe we still haven't discover the truth. All theses "clues" are messing with my head  !
That's because they're not "clues," just coincidences, no matter how intriguing and convenient for believers who need more stuff to help them keep believing. Once you realize that your head will be fine, and you won't believe any less.

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Introduce yourself / Re: Do you think I qualify???
« on: December 05, 2009, 03:15:32 PM »
The previous forum members are correct, Annie. You will have a very nice time here among your fellow believers and will definitely get the emotional support you need. There's also nothing wrong with your English -- I understood you perfectly.

Cheers!

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Quote from: "Miss.Peppers"
Is it true AEG paid for these paintings?

Also... if MJ was supposed to be broke, why would he be spending this amount of money on gifts for his children?
Getting back to your original questions, Miss.Peppers: I don't know if AEG paid for the paintings, but I'm not convinced that Michael was broke, at least not in the sense that he had no funds available.

Most of his assets were investments worth a lot of money (such as his co-ownership of the Beatles catalog with Sony), which made it relatively easy for him to borrow money against those investments or to purchase stuff with installment-type payment plans.

He was also known to have thousands and thousands of dollars in cash nearby at all times, such as the $2 million that Latoya claims went missing from his Holmby Hills home on June 25. It seems that for the most part, Michael bought what he wanted when he wanted it.

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Michael Jackson News / Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!
« on: December 05, 2009, 03:18:31 AM »
Quote from: "q0txciityl0ve"
Michael isn't even 100% black, so of course his children will be biracial.
The first part is a good point. Most American black people who didn't just arrive from Africa, like me and Michael, are mixed, primarily with white and Native American.

But that doesn't mean our children will automatically be biracial. If we have kids with another black person who has two black parents, mixed or not, the kids will be black too, although they could have pretty much any skin tone or hair texture or eye color (the last depending on ancestry) imaginable.

All of this is irrelevant anyway, though. Michael's kids are his kids, and I really don't care if they have his DNA or not. He said they did, so they do, and I don't care how they got it either. Case closed for me.

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No, I haven't heard that, pollyanna, and I'm certain it's not true.

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That article is SO stupid. What's saddest of all, though, is that at least one idiot is going to read it and actually believe it, just because it's about Michael. *sigh*

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I believe Michael wears wigs most of the time, as well, and a specific kind called lace-front wigs, which are custom made to have a more natural-looking hairline. That's why it's so difficult for some people to tell he's wearing a wig, although people familiar with the lace-front style can tell easily.

Quote from: "michaelsupporter"
What I do know for certain, is that with universal and extensive vitiligo (as Michael has) his hair pigment would be just as effected as his skin. Either he is wearing wigs or he is diligently dying his hair on a very frequent basis to cover the white that grows out. Also, as an aside....that is why I am very perplexed to see pics of Michael with stubble growth on his entire face without any white (salt and pepper effect). That, is not in keeping with the effects of universal vitiligo.

Quote from: "Christiana"
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When you enlarge the second photo that Christiana provided the link to, you can clearly see that Michael has dark hair on his left arm, which I've noticed before. I seriously doubt he's vain enough to go dying the hair in out-of-the-way places like that, especially since it's concealed most of the time under his customary long-sleeved clothing.

My point is that I've never heard about the hair losing pigment with universal vitiligo, as well, michaelsupporter. But the photos I've seen of Michael with dark hair on other parts of his body besides his head seem to indicate (all of) his hair has not lost its pigment. I don't have an explanation, though, if your information is correct. However, I don't doubt for a moment that Michael does, in fact, have universal vitiligo.

And Harleyblonde, I've noticed Michael checking his hair that way, too, and I've also always felt he was making sure his wig was in place.

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Michael Jackson News / Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!
« on: December 04, 2009, 06:09:32 PM »
Quote from: "Miss.Peppers"
Im only using Tiger Woods as an example, because as far as i know no-one has ever questioned the parentage of his children...  unlike what Michael has had to endure

Tiger Woods and other people of color are an entirely different situation than Michael, who's in a class all by himself when it comes to this subject.

(Ignorant) people question the parentage of Michael's children because (1) they believe the nonsense that he's a freak and would therefore do freaky things to have freaky (meaning unexpectedly different) children, (2) they believe the nonsense that Michael's skin got lighter because he was trying to "become" white, (3) they believe the nonsense that Michael was asexual or gay and therefore never had sex with Lisa Marie, Debbie, or any other woman, and (4) they believe the nonsense that one darker-skinned (like Michael originally was) black parent means a mixed child can only have a skin tone that's noticeably "colored."

Some of these ignorant people will learn eventually, although it makes no difference whatsoever whether Michael is the biological parent of his children. He's their one and only father, no matter what, as all of us intelligent people here realize.

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Other Odd Things / Re: Possible MJ Reveal Date!
« on: December 04, 2009, 05:54:07 PM »
Quote from: "Lou"
Quote from: "Harleyblonde"
Sorry guys but I think it is all wishful thinking. How can he possibly come back? Can you not consider all the repercussions? As much as I would like to have faith in his return I cannot. So you all think he has made all his billions of fans worldwide, including children think he was dead and had his family hold a memirial and funeral and lie to the media and TV broadcasting companies worldwide to do a comeback? I am unhappy to say this but I truly believe that this time next year you will still be awaiting his return. He is 51, not 20 or 30- many people retire at his age and he has suffered so much in the last few years-why are you hoping he will come back?- the media would crucify him and the hate he will feel from various sources round the world would be immense, before would have seemed like a rehearsal. You want him back but it would be not to Michaels advantage would it? You think he will want to come back to a very traumatic and cruel public life he had before with all the hate and BS he had to endure?  He hated that. He cannot come back.

I've already read some of your posts with similar content and I respect your opinion and your point of view. I really see what you mean. However, once I don't know the real reason behind the hoax  (if there's a hoax), I can't state that "he can't come back" as if it was the ultimate truth. Everything is possible and I think it's ok to keep an open mind about a possible come back. If he came back, it would be because he knew what he was doing. We don't know what would be the explanations and the reasons behind it (at least I don't).

In my opinion the only thing that can stop him from coming back is if he has really died on June 25th. If he has not, so I think anything can happen. That's why I would not state that he can't come back with such a certainty. Just my opinion though.

Thank you, Lou. You beat me to the punch and your comment repeats what I've already said on other threads here and in other forums.

People who insist that Michael won't/can't come back are jumping the gun. Why? Because they offer this, that, or the other reason for why a comeback is impossible or unlikely without even knowing exactly why Michael's death was faked in the first place ***AND*** without knowing if Michael was even the person responsible for his death being faked.

In the second case, maybe an agency intervened and advised him that faking his death was necessary for whatever reason and Michael accepted/agreed that that was what needed to be done. I still maintain that nobody knows what Michael would do unless they know him personally and know what's going on with the circumstances regarding June 25.

Maybe he'll return, maybe he won't. And if he does come back, who can say that would mean some flashy, glitzy, splashy extravaganza? Nobody can. Maybe he'll just show up again when everyone least expects it, or maybe he'll appear in court as a surprise witness. There are numerous ways Michael could return, and some would not cause any/much more hatred and criticism than he's received in the past.

Great thread, by the way. I've enjoyed reading everyone's opinions.

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TMZ Discussion / Re: Sources Speaking
« on: December 03, 2009, 11:23:55 PM »
Good points, everbody. I think the lack of people revealing Michael's personal business is because many with that kind of knowledge realize now just how many millions and millions of fans Michael does have, and their numbers, outspokenness, and protectiveness have increased dramatically since June 25. Nobody wants to offend the hordes of people who have the money and purchasing power that fund celebrities' careers and lifestyles.

Even people who used to regularly talk crap about Michael have stopped the garbage, and hopefully that's permanent. It's been exhilarating to experience so many fans openly and passionately standing up for Michael, and he deserves every bit of the support.

As for women who've been involved with him keeping their mouths closed, all I can say is "Bravo!" Please keep it that way because Michael also deserves to have his intimate life kept private (do you hear that, Lisa Marie?). As much as some of us want to know about that type of stuff, it really isn't anyone's business but the parties involved.

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