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« on: December 10, 2009, 07:11:30 PM »
Someone had brought up the rumor about Stephanie Myers death in another thread, which reminded me of the Britney Spears death rumor. It must have been very convincing, because her will went into probate. And the judge was no other than the Honorable Mitchell L. Beckloff, the same judge that is handling Michael's will. Hot damn! I'm reading the document you linked to and the CNN piece Freeze Frame pointed out now, so I might have more than a curse word to say after I finish.
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« on: December 10, 2009, 07:01:50 PM »
Interesting discussion. The report about the autopsy on that fan site is Fake with a capital "F." Still, I agree with the folks who support being more understanding and less intolerant of posters who say things we don't believe or want to hear (that doesn't automatically make them trolls), and also the ones who find all of this Propofol weirdness and delayed criminal action hella frustrating. I might have to join y'all in your padded cell. sorry off topic but on the bottom of the page where it says whos online why does it say google bot Just thought I'd chime in to answer your question, though. Googlebot (or "Google [Bot]" at the bottom of the page) is the software that Google uses to "spider" websites in order to find and index information that's been posted. The results are transmitted to Google, which then enters them in the search engine interface so people can find websites when they search for specific topics. Carry on...
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« on: December 10, 2009, 04:08:34 PM »
OK, again, I know MJ may not be a devout JW, but Katherine is. And I just think there are some things that she would not waiver on where a funeral is concerned. Am I just reaching too much here? Possibly. It's my understanding that as the Jackson family's moral center, Katherine likes harmony. She's also reportedly under the influence of certain family members, particularly Joe, which causes her to give in to others' wishes at times just to keep the peace and to avoid or minimize conflict. In other words, some Jacksons reportedly know how to manipulate Katherine, kind of like how she has allegedly manipulated Michael in the past to get him to do things he doesn't want to, such as convincing him to go on the Victory Tour with his brothers when he preferred to focus on his solo career. So, despite her strong religious beliefs, I could see Katherine not insisting on certain things she might find not "worth the trouble," especially considering her obvious grief over Michael's predicament (notice I didn't say his death). Your points are significant and valid, though, and I hope you're correct.
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« on: December 10, 2009, 03:16:23 PM »
Who knows if this is true?? if it is I'm pretty disgusted. I share your disgust, Freeze Frame, and here's what's wrong with it: Prince, Paris, and Blanket are three very young children who, for all current intents and purposes, just lost their only parent. They are NOT cute little playthings put on Earth for complete strangers to ogle, analyze, and entertain themselves with. And that's exactly what's going to happen if they appear on the show.
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« on: December 10, 2009, 03:09:28 PM »
But what I am saying is WATCHING his show after Michael died for weeks, and he was adament and angry and vowed to find out what happened. ALL OF A SUDDEN he stopped. I am not only refering to the website stuff, I am also talking about his news show. Something happened to make him STOP covering the investigation abruptly. I hear ya, hope, and I'm right there with you. What I wouldn't give to have the opportunity to ask Geraldo about this face-to-face. I'm DYING to know what's going on with his abrupt and utterly COMPLETE silence, after he spent so many weeks fervently covering Michael's alleged death and so many years standing by him after the 2003 molestation allegations. This is one of the strangest aspects of the June 25th situation yet.
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« on: December 10, 2009, 03:02:14 PM »
Perhaps the brothers have learned a lesson from when TMZ asked Jermaine about the issue the other day, and like a big, fat, out-of-touch idiot, he replied that Tiger hadn't done anything wrong.
No, Tiger's issues keeping his penis to himself aren't any of our business, but you've got to be brain-dead not to realize there's something amiss with his behavior, considering that he's married with kids.
Glad to hear that Jackie, Tito, and Marlon kept their mouths shut when the dumb media asked stupid, irrelevant questions. Jermaine should have done the same.
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« on: December 10, 2009, 02:54:13 PM »
I remember reading that article when the news of Chandler's death first broke and thinking how sad and lonely his passing was. But I wouldn't wish such a fate on my worst enemy, so I try very (very, very, very) hard to remain neutral about it.
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« on: December 06, 2009, 12:19:55 AM »
No way...
I didn't hear about the foundation getting sued ;o
Thanks for the links, though. Oh, yeah, zyla, I kid you not. It's been talked about quite a bit at various Michael Jackson forums. That's why I made sure to include more links from bona fide news organizations and not just stupid TMZ.
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« on: December 06, 2009, 12:10:50 AM »
Thanks for your extensive post, itsmagic, but I'm extremely suspicious of the Heal the World Foundation due to numerous accusations from believable sources that it isn't what it claims to be, first and foremost a charitable organization legitimately related to Michael Jackson. Long story short, Michael Jackson's estate recently filed a lawsuit against the organization that alleges it's illegally using Michael's name and likeness without permission. That's a huge no-no. So, despite how good that website looks with its many projects listed, there's an excellent chance it's collecting donations under false pretenses and taking advantage of Michael's unsuspecting fans. Read more about the situation at You are not allowed to view links.
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« on: December 05, 2009, 11:47:13 PM »
To me.. there are just too many inconsistencies surrounding his death. I hate when relatives tell me yeah yeah... just like tupak and elvis!!! I hate that!!!! Because there were not nearly as many inconsistencies with those entertainers as we have with MJ u know? Please! I just wish I knew the truth of MJ. I believe that is what keeps us going . I believe a lot of us on this website have made up our minds on weather MJ is dead or alive . But for me truly I need closure. I am not worried about a comeback. I just wish MJ would give his fans a DEFINITE sign that he is still present u know? We are not expecting him to come back and perform. If I knew (without a shadow of a doubt) that he was alive. I believe I would be more at peace. Forgive me for saying what I am about to say but.......DOes MJ understand how much we are hurting? I agree with everything you've said, and if he's alive, I do believe Michael realizes how much his fans and supporters are hurting. That's one reason why I would never discount the possibility that he may return if he's still alive. The time would have to be right, though. If his death was faked to prevent imminent danger, sorting out that situation comes first, and it would obviously take a lot of time because of the agencies and serious issues involved. All we can do is be patient and, if it floats your boat, investigate the hoax. Now I'm done taking over tinker_bell's post. Apologies for intruding, tinker_bell, but this is a great thread. Thanks to everyone for sharing your thoughts.
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« on: December 05, 2009, 11:39:36 PM »
Absolutely agree, but sadly enough whenever we try to explain the reason for the hoax it would all come down to speculation. Maybe it's more productive to focuse on raw facts and inconsistencies, but at the moment it feels like we're going in circles with nothing new to bust us forward. That is why everyday i keep re-reading those facts to support my belief.
I never had a chance to meet him either, all i have is his music, his words and my own heart to love him as hard as i can. It's not enough to understand him, but it's all i got. And it is my heart that tells me he's alive louder than any clue. And that's why I don't try to explain the hoax anymore. Based on the few facts we do have, I've formed my own belief that Michael's death was faked because his life was in serious and immediate danger. Other than that, I don't try to determine the who, what, where, why, and how. We'll know when those details are revealed, if ever, and in the meantime, I won't waste any effort going in circles about something I don't have sufficient resources to figure out. I hope you at least hold on to your belief that Michael is alive, even if you are convinced he won't return. As I've said, it's your right to believe that if that's how you really feel. Things may be different tomorrow too.
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« on: December 05, 2009, 11:32:44 PM »
Thank you so much for writing this, because you put my own thoughts into words. I just want to take your post, copy it, and paste it to my monitor. I really and truly feel for people who think it is time to let go, and who think that Michael is either dead or he will never return. I can feel their pain. I would go there too, but it doesn't feel right, for me. I feel so good about everything, really everything, after seeing the movie. I do think the world is already prepared to be kinder to him, and I do think life will be much better for him if he does return. Like you, I am keeping my fingers crossed that we see him again some day. I don't believe Michael said goodbye. I don't know exactly what he was getting at at the O2 announcement, but I hope I find out. You are quite welcome, Jade, and thank you for your comment. It makes me really happy to learn someone else shares my belief that life could be much better for Michael and his children if he 's still alive (which I believe, of course) and returns. All we hear is people insisting how awful it would be if he came back, and I really, truly don't view it that way. I see the nastiness and negativity towards Michael steadily decreasing in many places, while the support and love and number of fans just keeps growing and growing. It's been an amazing and very moving thing to witness, and I hope Michael is somewhere witnessing and enjoying it, too.
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« on: December 05, 2009, 11:24:46 PM »
The world treated him so badly, why would he want that again at the age of 51? ... I think Michael has had enough of the lime-light. God only knows he doesn't need the money or the torture they put him through. I am older also, and I think you reach a point where other things are much more important. There's a good chance that I'm at least as old as you, although I'll never say.  Your comment relates to what I was talking about re: the world treating Michael better if/when he returns. With each passing day, more and more people are coming to realize how much he was wronged, how kind and talented he was, and why he did certain things the way he did. There will always be haters no matter what, even if Michael had never had vitiligo or suffered from the bogus child-molestation allegations or been perceived as "eccentric" (I personally think he's just a very unique person who marches to the beat of his own drummer, like many other creative types, including myself). However, if Michael's death was faked for a good reason that was out of his control, I think his substantially larger army of supporters will help make the situation less difficult if he returns. And who can say that returning means he'll be back in the limelight? Maybe the media and fans will eventually leave him (more or less) alone after this ordeal, depending on the circumstances of June 25. Or he could always leave the United States, just like he did before, and live a relatively quiet life in a place that gives him his space, such as Ireland, which he reportedly loves. I'll continue to hope for a positive outcome like one of these scenarios, where Michael can live freely, openly, happily, and with the respect he deserves.
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« on: December 05, 2009, 11:04:32 PM »
I'm very sorry for a disappointing topic...
badkolo: OMG, your avatar scared the cra* out of me!  tinker_bell, your post is in no way disappointing. Saddening, yes, but not disappointing. You have every right to express your feelings, and I apologize if I said anything that made you feel you shouldn't. My point is that if you didn't know Michael personally, you can't possibly know for certain what he would do. Therefore, speculating about a comeback is probably not the best use of your time. But if you believe he won't return, then that's what you believe, and nobody can prove that you're wrong because it's how *you* feel. And I agree about badkolo's avatar. Freaks me out every single time. But it is quite distinctive.
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« on: December 05, 2009, 10:51:43 PM »
I'm glad others share my excitement over this development. I just hope the documentary comes out on DVD afterwards so people can buy a copy and watch it whenever they want.
I'm 110% confident that Aphrodite is going to do a fantastic job telling the truth, which makes me even more excited because that happens so rarely when it comes to Michael. I hope he's around somewhere and happy about this, too.
And you're right tinker_bell: the delay leaves a bitter taste in your mouth, but this is better late than never.
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