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« on: January 31, 2010, 03:58:33 AM »
But then again if the MAFIA were the ones indeed responsible It has got to be money involved some type of way, drugs , money aren't they usually the reasons this crime ring goes after someone?  I mean if it was the mafia how would they Benefit from murdering MJ? I´ve been wondering that, too. But if they were indeed in charge of Michael´s finances, they are probably deeply involved in his businesses. Who are, for example, running his productioncompanies ? Who are the boardmembers? It could be worth looking in to.
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« on: January 30, 2010, 04:21:07 AM »
You all need to read about Michael's feelings. Just want to say I really like your posts - I am with you 100%! People want Michael back to make THEM happy.....to give them more enjoyment and more entertainment. He has been giving and giving for 50 years.....and yet they just want more. :? Mj has gone through hell, dealing with media, debtcollectors, shady characters and leeches. He has been in a kind of prison for 50 years, couldn´t go anywhere, couldn´t get any peace at all. If he is alive, then I would wish that people just left him alone!!! I wish he would finally find a sanctuary for his tortured soul . If you love someone, you´d set them free! Michael will not be back. The media would butcher him and most people would absolutely hate him. They would just see him as a greedy, selfish nutcase, faking his death to get the big bucks rolling again. The world would never forgive him and that´s not the way he would want to go down in history.
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« on: January 30, 2010, 03:14:18 AM »
Thank you SO much for starting this thread, mjboogie. When I found out about MJ:s involvment with the mob half a year ago I tried to bring it up on different forums and in meatspace but was laughed at  And yet my gutfeeling told me from day one that this was it! Especially when a friend - at that time dating one of the Vegas guys - told me that the first thing her friend said when he heard about Michaels´death was: "Oh, they got him, did they?!" He was absolutely convinced that he had been murdered but didn´t want to speak about it. So I am glad this is out in the open now, I really enjoy this thread
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« on: January 29, 2010, 01:01:26 PM »
Personally I just think that Thome is "playing" the bad guy`s role. I came to the conclusion that there is a very good reason that - after researching deeply, as we do - nothing is as it seems.
Exactly!! Thanks!
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« on: January 29, 2010, 12:51:10 PM »
Makes sense. Another option is that medical staff managed to save him at UCLA, and it was immediately decided to put him under protection, e.g. in a WPP.
The way that that much influence over his business and assets could have been gained, is for instance how it was done before:
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Register or Login Makes a lot of sense, too. I think that Jermaine, Thome and the mob are the REAL clues to this enigma. It´s all for M.O.N.E.Y. :?
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« on: January 29, 2010, 12:45:09 PM »
(I heard that Randy is "gone", is that true?)
What do you mean by "gone?"
You mean like coo coo for cocoa puffs "gone?" Or some other "gone?"
:lol: Oh, sorry....no, I meant that he wasn´t with the rest of the family any more. They haven´t seen him for quite a while. Just wondered if it was a rumour or if he is indeed...."somewhere else with SOMEONE else" 
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« on: January 29, 2010, 12:28:14 PM »
Well, you know, I think Thome IS the guy who signed the contract in the 90´s. But he has been behind the curtain, so noone knew about him. The mob got impatient and demanded their money back and the only way it could be done since MJ refused to sell his investments, was for him to go back to work. I think they came up with the idea to do the concerts. And I think the mob/Thome took a decision that Michael had to do 50 concerts in order to pay them back. Thome "surfaced" and was suddenly out in the open, constantly checking up on Michael since this was his last chance to fix his debts. (Check him out during the 02 Press Conference, only a meter away from MJ wherever he goes.) I think Michael felt threatened by Thome. But actually, the guy just claimed his money back. I don´t think MJ fired him - I don´t think he COULD, he was stuck with him - because according to an article in a magazine I found in LA right after MJ:s death, one of the things found in his bedroom after his death was Thome´s businesscard, stuck on the bathroom mirror. Then what happened - I haven´t got a clue. Did they realize MJ would never be able to do the concerts and decided to have him killed by a fall guy? Or did they decide to hoax his death to get the big money coming in? Whatever happened, I think Jermaine was in on it. My contacts tell me there is another brother involved, I don´t know who it is, though. (I heard that Randy is "gone", is that true?) Oh, the above is just me thinking out loud  No facts!
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« on: January 29, 2010, 08:50:19 AM »
And how do we know MJ signed all of his financial assets over to the mafia? Would he even do such a thing? :? I know people who used to work in Las Vegas, one of them knows the guy who actually signed the deal with Michael. My contact did not want to give me a name. Understandable. I promise you, it IS true. No anonymous internet-rumours but actually the real deal. I am, too, trying to figure out why MJ would do such a thing. But look at it this way: he had barely "survived" (mentally) the accusations, his reputation was severely damaged and his marriage failed. He was on medications, trying to dull the pain. Something had to be done to get him back on top and I don´t think he had the strength to do it himself. As far as I understand, the Mafia promised to help MJ IF he signed that deal. They would get a huge interest and Michael would yet again be the one and only superstar!! The revenue från Invinceable would pay the Mafia for their effort. Now, the album didn´t sell well and MJ suddenly owed "the shady guys" quite a lot of money. NOT a good thing if you deal with the Mob.... I wonder if Thome was just one of the debtcollectors, making sure MJ fulfilled his obligations?
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« on: January 28, 2010, 03:37:56 PM »
Yes....hrm....but the Mafia is not exactly short of money. And it´s one thing having them around, another thing doing business with them.
I have a feeling that Joe Jackson was involved with the Mafia from the very beginning. And he provided Michael with bodyguards. If it was a "family thing", then MJ grew up with those guys. Could it be?
Just thought of the scene in TII when he does Smoothe Criminal and breaks away from..the gangsters?
Pretty significant.
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« on: January 28, 2010, 02:56:34 PM »
Oh thanks, hadn´t seen that. It´s just too bad Michael hooked up with those guys. "If you play with fire....." If this IS a hoax, then the mob are the only ones (apart from the Feds) who could pull it through.
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« on: January 28, 2010, 12:51:10 PM »
Well, I´ve been wondering for months why noone in media has addressed the fact that Michael was involved with the Las Vegas mob - he and two of his brothers. (Don´t know which ones, but I´ll take a guess that Jermaine is one of them). Most of Michael´s bodyguards came from the mob and quite a few of the shady characters he surrounded himself with. In the end of the 90´s Michael signed a contract with the mafia giving them total control of his finances. He needed his career back on track again and so did something that he most likely came to regret. After what I´ve heard, he owed them a lot of money. So, based on that info, whatever happened on the 25th June COULD be linked to the mafia. Or not
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« on: January 03, 2010, 04:52:25 PM »
Something has been bugging me: why did Michael leave his children to his Mother or to Diana Ross? They are both much older than he is. The natural thing would be to leave the children to someone younger as - most likely - Kathrine and Diana would die before he did. He seemed to know he would die first. Strange
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« on: January 03, 2010, 04:45:39 PM »
that interesting far as Dr. Murray being a scape goat if anything he was use to help MJ get away I find it very strange that although the MJ family has made different statement about the Dr guilt but has yet to take any kind of action against him. and many of MJ so called friend didn't even know who Murray was anyway and I don't think MJ wanted to do those concerts anyway .I really don't think he had any intention on going to London. Neither do I. The scenes in TII shows what went on during the last rehearsals and according to witnesses the clothes were not ready - not for Michael and not for the dancers. The robots were half finished and they had never rehearsed the whole show right through. In fact, it was far too long and had to be cut down. There was no chance on earth that the concert could have gone up in London in time. And they must ALL have been aware of it. So why putting on a show - about the show?
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« on: January 03, 2010, 05:08:11 AM »
Well, thanks for all the info! This is beginning to make perfect sense. It is Randy. Wait and see. I knew two brothers were involved, one working "on stage", one behind the curtain. And whatever is behind curtain is nothing we can see, because this was "the last curtain call". Anyway, what a fantastic job you guys are doing!
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« on: January 03, 2010, 03:58:08 AM »
Gone too soon, With regards to your second post on this thread you say you talked to people who used to work with Michael's associates so you then started putting things together, could I be nosey and ask who these people were? If you would rather not say then I will understand. Well...I´ve posted what I know in three forums now. And they have all "crashed". It was proof enough for me. But we are dealing with powerful people - VERY powerful - and noone would mess with them. Which is the explanation that some people seem to go quiet all of a sudden.... I have two contacts, people I know and trust 100%. They worked in Las Vegas in the 90`s and beginning of this century. They have given me info as they worked with Michael´s (and Jackson´s) associates but they do NOT know what has happened regarding his death. One is sure he was murdered, the other one is sure he is in hiding. Let me just say: it is ALL for money! Michael would never have left his children "just for fun!" He would never visit them on and off asking them to lie about him being dead. It is a huge burden to put on small children and I think Michael was an extremely loving and caring father. IF Michael hoaxed his death it was because he had no other choice! He did not want to do it. But to keep his children safe, he had to. He was heavily in debt, but no - he was in no way broke. His money was tied up in investments and he didn´t want to sell. So the only way for him to raise cash and pay his debts was to "die".
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