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« on: August 21, 2013, 05:20:34 PM »
These pics and details just had to come out 77 days later....
Another big fat coincidence to add to the list...
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« on: August 20, 2013, 08:01:09 AM »
I thought the voice sounds like Rebbie's. At the very beginning it sort of sounds like Michael, but feminine. Maybe it was voice altering. Imo, the voice has Jackson speech mannerisms and mentions wishing she was there to take care of him (or something like that) which made me think of Rebbie again (older sister who cared for younger brother growing up-sort of relationship). But who knows. Well, Front does but he probably won't say lol.
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« on: August 19, 2013, 04:29:31 PM »
I was on twitter when the whole Debbie vs Pearl smackdown began. I think Debbie had answered somebody's question about her testimony and something about Arnie Klein (can't remember what exactly) then Pearl said something (not hoax related). I was wondering if Debbie was going to reply, then she did - saying something like but not exactly "you don't know what the f*ck you're talking about" and it basically escalated quickly from there. I'm normally only on twitter for a few minutes at a time but I stuck around to see how far this thing would go. I'll admit, it was entertaining and I remember my mouth hanging open at certain things that were said, thinking "Oh no she di ' int!" I think I even saw that comment from someone else who must've been watching as well, lol. So ya, I was being a bit of a voyeur throughout the whole thing but it's certainly not everyday that I see something like that. I wondered if Front was aware of the argument, then he tweets a few minute later "Hope no1 gets a Corona bottle up their a _ _ . lol Seriously cant we just all just get along? Love & Peace to you both You are not allowed to view links.
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Register or Login." So I don't know if someone tipped Front off or what. He seemed genuinely upset about it later on but he did bring attention to it by bringing it up. He and Debbie joked around for a bit and I don't think Pearl tweeted back to Front at all (maybe after the fact but I didn't see anything). I remember feeling disbelief as the insults between Debbie and Pearl got nastier and nastier and wondering - is this actually real?? The impression that I got as I watching was the Debbie seemed to be having fun with the whole thing, egging Pearl on. But in the end, they both ended up taking it too far.
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« on: August 18, 2013, 07:49:02 PM »
I noticed this yesterday too.
I did a Whois lookup on thisisalsoit.com and it still comes up as being Registered. Which I presume means the money for it is paid up until the Registration expiry date. Don't know if it means if TS is still controlling it though (whoever TS is).
The Registration expiration date is 10-29-2013 at 12:25:06 (what date was it Dr M is meant to be released?...just wondering)
I have copied and pasted the Registration info from Whois below.
Not sure why it would now redirect to this page on GoDaddy......
Not sure why it's redirecting (or defaulting) there either but it looks like it expires on the 4 year anniversary of TIAI's inception. (Creation Date: 2009-10-29 12:25:06 Registrar Expiration Date: 2013-10-29 12:25:06) And ya, the day after Murray is to be released..."4 years to get it right". Was anybody paying attention to when exactly it started going to godaddy? Was it maybe on Friday (Elvis "death" anniversary)?
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« on: August 18, 2013, 04:48:41 PM »
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« on: August 17, 2013, 07:15:34 AM »
Welcome redjacket101 
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« on: August 15, 2013, 12:08:55 PM »
Bec, I definitely agree that entertainment is a HUGE aspect of the hoax. And that entertainment is what the public craves. It’s true that much of the general public doesn’t care much for things beyond their own personal bubbles but that doesn’t mean they are incapable of caring or recognizing injustices even if it is so far from their own reality.
Music albums and videos/films and other forms of entertainment can also carry messages and be educational. Especially with Michael. His style of entertainment isn’t the mind-numbing kind that is everywhere these days. We don’t know what MJ knows so we can’t really say that he doesn’t have other motives for his hoax besides entertainment. I think he does, that’s how I’ve been understanding it over the years but I know that perceptions are not always correct. If the hoax was purely for entertainment purposes, I won’t be pissed off because even though I misunderstood what I thought I was seeing, I’ve been entertained and have learned far more than I thought possible and not just about Michael or the hoax –it all stemmed from opening my mind to the hoax. And of course, I’ll be elated and relieved just to know, to see, that Michael is back.
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« on: August 15, 2013, 08:57:44 AM »
bec: ...
MJ comes back after his mom sues non-hoax affiliated AEG for (and potentially wins) millions of dollars and says he fooled everyone for a really good reason and here it is... people are either going to be like wow that's a really good reason, and be sympathetic (his fans and anyone already sympathetic to him) or roll their eyes at the "excuse" and just focus on the fact that MJ lied to the whole world for some personal crusade and wasted taxpayer money and government time and distracted official business away from real investigations and court cases. Not good. I can hear Nancy Grace already. It's one thing to have people not care. It's a whole nother story to seriously piss them off.
The only way he can keep his nose clean throughout all of this is to break no laws and pay for the whole thing himself aka no public money. So all those cops n investigators had to be paid for by MJJ Productions. All the judges n prosecutors n court employees, everyone. All the official time on the clock consumed in the course of this hoax had to be covered by MJ himself or else it's public relations suicide upon reveal.
"They" did it to MJ in 2005. They wasted tax payers money, government officials and time and distracted from other investigations/goings-on in the world by having a trial based on a lie. I say "they" because I think TPTB were ultimately behind the Arviso's accusations, that it was a set-up, perhaps via Sneddon and whoever else had it in for Michael. So if they can do it (trial based on a lie), so can Michael - although I do think he is funding his own project to make sure all the bases are covered, mostly to satisfy the public. I don't think Michael is breaking any laws but he's probably bending a few. And if the trial is not completely a hoax court then Michael must have some sort of backing for the trial to even be happening. But I definitely agree there is also a live performance art and an ARG happening here. And we can't say conclusively what AEG's role is yet, I certainly can't since my opinion flip-flops from day to day. AEG could either be in on it all the way, to a certain degree or not at all although I think the last one is not likely. AEG could be an example of what companies do to artists.
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« on: August 14, 2013, 05:12:15 PM »
To the legal system it is a very big difference. What you suggest MJ has committed, Snoopy, is fraud. Just saying. No eye roll needed.
[Michael Jackson's mother, Katherine, is suing AEG Live for the wrongful death of her son, alleging that the concert promoter was negligent in hiring Dr. Conrad Murray to care for the singer ahead of a series of London comeback concerts set for July 2009.]
Katherine is suing for negligence. That means compensation.
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Your comment just made me think of something, hopefully I'll explain this right. The only charge that stuck and is being tried is the "negligent hiring and supervision of Dr Murray", all the other charges from Katherine (which held more significance against AEG) were dismissed. The only real reason I can think for only having that one particular charge is that maybe it was the only (somewhat) legal thing she could sue for, since Michael is still alive. Because AEG still could've hired Murray without checking his background info and without keeping an eye on what he was actually doing. Katherine would need to have the other charges listed because they would be expected. The judge would need to be "in on it" in order for that trial to move ahead with just that one charge, the least damning(?) one, the "legit" one. Maybe? I think the trial is not entirely real but perhaps not entirely fake either, somewhere in the middle. Hoax court vs sting court, lol...could be both!
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« on: August 13, 2013, 10:24:19 PM »
'Sup HIStory_kidd, welcome!
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« on: August 13, 2013, 05:19:03 PM »
I figured that was what you meant, Do. Ever since the TDCAU TII clip was released shortly after MJ "died", I've felt that the reasons and results for MJ's hoax go far beyond Michael himself. The 1:35 TDCAU TII clip was the only rehearsal footage available until the movie came out which was always very telling to me because there is a definite message there. So I do see what you're saying about the length of this hoax - the longer the return, the greater the significance for the reasons behind the hoax.
Thanks Andrea for your nice response! However, I must admit that I'm starting to have doubts about the whole hoax...Yes ofcourse I know about all the clues and contradictions and that there are lots and lots of things that point to a hoax. I absolutely don't deny that, nor do I deny all the hours and hard work many members have put in this investigation. I've been there too, being all ecstatic and telling friends about it (who thought I was crazy). But when it was at first mainly the family that convinced me through their behaviour and statements he was still alive, now it is mainly the family who make me doubt about that.
If Michael is hoaxing his death, sure the family must say in interviews and on twitter that indeed, he is dead. But why writing books about his death (at least by Jermaine, Katherine and La Toya) and make a profit of a lie about the 'death' of their son/brother, which I really feel is morally incorrect. Why the latest trial, why the Paris suicide attempt, just why?? They should have stayed in the shadows, keeping low profile. I have real problems with this, it is, IMO, too serious to consider this as 'clues', fake trials etc. If the trial is fake and just for the hoax, what sense does it make? If the trial is real, then the family is after money instead of justice for their son, brother, father. See, when I really think about it, then many clues do have a 'con'. We explained them as clues, but it turned out to be nothing. And if they aren't clues, is it real then? I don't think Paris would attempt suicide (confirmed by the family, so no BS story), if she was safe and cosy with her dad....what kind of clue would it be otherwise, to bring attention to suicide attempts by kids? I personally don't buy that story, there are other ways to bring this problem to people's attention. So, if it was real, then why did she do it?
Andrea, I don't get it straight out what I'm feeling right now, but it's just not adding up to me anymore. I can't keep track of the story line anymore...
I know how strong of a believer you are, so was I, and I don't want to bore you with this, I only hope I'm wrong and this is gonna end soon, but I'm afraid this hoax will have an open 'ending'....we end up like the Elvis-hoaxers... :smiley-vault-misc-150:
You're not boring me Do, don't ever worry about that. There are things haven't made a whole lot of sense to me about this hoax, including Paris' suicide attempt story. I would prefer to think it wasn't real but I won't dismiss it as such because we really don't know. But I do lean towards it not being real, to be completely honest. The family confirmed the story, yes, but same with Michael's "death". The "why" of it won't be determined until later, if it was part of the hoax. About family members writing (and profiting) from books...this hoax has been available in every form of communication medium. There have been countless books written about Michael that are full of lies so having some truth from Jermaine and LaToya is refreshing - they actually know and love and grew up with Michael. They had to "lie" about his "death" because Michael can't BAM on page 123 of a book, they had to stick to the official story. But I didn't really even have to read between the lines to figure out what was really being said and of course the contradictions just kept mounting. And about making money, we don't know what Jermaine and LaToya did with their profits and a person doesn't need to buy the book in order to read it. I don't want to end up like the Elvis hoaxers either :errrr: but I don't think we will...bec mentioned "Time Doubts" earlier and I think those doubts do creep in for most of us every now and then. I would think it's normal to become disenchanted from time to time. The hoax is so complex and convoluted when you really think of the last 4+ years. I still talk about it to my friends who ask but there would be no way I could do it justice. I don't doubt the existence of the hoax or that Michael is alive because I would have to ignore these past years and I don't think we collectively imagined it and convinced ourselves of it. I was thrown off when 2012 ended in a "fail" but there must've been a lesson in there and I got through it, as many of us did. I still wonder when IT will happen although I don't like to focus on a particular date or time frame anymore because of past disappointments. But I am excited for it and want to know how it will feel when it finally happens. I know the wait will be worth it.
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« on: August 13, 2013, 08:13:19 AM »
I figured that was what you meant, Do. Ever since the TDCAU TII clip was released shortly after MJ "died", I've felt that the reasons and results for MJ's hoax go far beyond Michael himself. The 1:35 TDCAU TII clip was the only rehearsal footage available until the movie came out which was always very telling to me because there is a definite message there. So I do see what you're saying about the length of this hoax - the longer the return, the greater the significance for the reasons behind the hoax.
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« on: August 12, 2013, 07:15:15 PM »
I think when Michael BAMs it will be a huge wake-up call on many levels, and not just about Michael.
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« on: August 12, 2013, 11:58:37 AM »
Welcome Dancing the Dream
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« on: August 11, 2013, 05:28:10 PM »
Ya that's how I've always seen it too, sweet. Only so much (wrongs be righted) can be done before the BAM because not enough people will be paying attention. After the BAM though...well, he'll have everyone's undivided attention and people WILL want to hear what he has to say.
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