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not sure how credible he is, though thuis guy claims to print things other press wont touch.

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POP WARBLER Michael Jackson  kept an astonishing “death-hoax diary” explaining  how he would fake his death of a heart attack and telling when he would come out of hiding, a family friend who claims to have found the journal “among Michael’s personal effects” tells derekclontz.com exclusively.


ALIVE - OR NOT? You be the judge.
“There’s too much pressure, pressure, pressure … pressure everywhere I turn …” a diary entry dated Nov. 17, 2008  is alleged to say in part.

“I don’t know who I am, not anmore (sp). Maybe I’m just a father to my children. Maybe I’m washed up.

“The drugs are (illegible) a toll … (illegible) … I’m not addict. But I can’t stop …

“If Elvis … (illegible) … so can I.

“I’ll have a ‘heart attack’ from drugs like he did (yeah, right!)

“I’ll come back, but only when I’m ready. Bigger than Elvis in ’69.

“Maybe 2009 at Christmas. Or maybe the New Year is better.

“A back-from-dead tour,  a real Thriller. But I have to rest. I’m tired. I’m not (thinking) clearly.

“It’s the drugs.

“A lot of fans still love me.  (Some) people hate me.  Thing (sp) will be different (after this) …”

Jackson insiders declined to comment – officially – on the report. But as one privately put it, “We love Michael no matter what.”

The friend who leaked portions of the diary also was tight lipped, saying only, “There are over 60 pages (of it) that I will release to the family through my lawyer and they can do what they want with it. It doesn’t belong to me. It belongs to Michael and his loved ones.”

Other sources confirm that Jackson, 50, had spoken of  a death hoax “on several occasions” in 2008 and also in 2009, although the reported discovery of the diary that outlines his plans seemed to come as a surprise to everyone contacted by derekclontz.com.

A paint-by-numbers account of a death hoax, in the superstar’s own handwriting, could lead to serious legal problems, say legal observers, especially if the journal is perceived by insurance companies and the authorities to be a blueprint for fraud.

“I hope to God the diary is legit,” said a Jackson confidante who requested anonymity. “If  Michael really is alive, if he orchestrated all this, if he faked his own death, then nobody will be happier than me. As for fraud – nope, no way.

“Michael wouldn’t commit fraud. He’s not trying to collect insurance. He’s protecting himself. He’s doing this for his children. I’ll guarantee it.”

News of Jackson’s “death” on June 25 stunned the world. In fact, within hours of the ann0uncement by authorities, fans had already begun to speculate that he was still alive  and had gone into hiding. Subsequent reports suggested that he was, indeed, perpetrating a hoax to escape the pressures of life in the public eye.

Scooping the world, derekclontz.com reported Jackson had been spirited to Asheville, North Carolina and then to Eastern Europe, where it is thought that he might be holed up in Hungary, or even in Russia, where hundreds of people claim to have spotted him in Moscow.

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it is not unusal to see the heart beating in a thin person -it is called a "thrill". I can see my own as I have chrons disease and therefore am very very thin at the moment.

It is nothing shocking-looking at the pictures of him Id say it wouldn't be something unusal for a man of his build and it is being thrown massively out of proportion...

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apparently it's photoshopped .. does that mean there will be levitating skateboards in two years???? i think yes!!


not sure what she talking about with this....

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this is very interesting - and very sad.....

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Michael's Death Certificate / Re: The name !
« on: April 29, 2013, 11:25:31 AM »
just something random here his brother, Jermaine Confirms in his book "you are not alone" that MJ's middle name is indeed Joe and NOT Joseph. He says it's an odd rumour he keeps heAring that Joseph is the correct name but it DEFINATELY IS NOT.

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I found this quote from the dailymail.co.uk interesting:

"After a judge ruled that there was sufficient evidence to warrant a jury trial, the family’s lawyer Kevin Boyle said: ‘The truth about what happened to Michael, which AEG has tried to keep hidden from the public since the day Michael died, is finally emerging.
‘We look forward to the trial where the rest of the story will come to light.’"


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Thank you so much for this quote Char, I had forgotten to post it here...saw it in the newspaper though.

My very first reaction..." If Michael had 'died' but not really dead two times before in the past, why not now?" [obvious reaction]
I don't think this is just tabloid...the purpose for this news might be to make people suspicious of Michael's death. Especially after that statement by Putnam.

you are very welcome :)

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Michael Jackson News / Re: LA Times Article/ AEG Attorney
« on: April 28, 2013, 05:56:22 AM »
cool cool, cheers!

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Michael Jackson News / Re: LA Times Article/ AEG Attorney
« on: April 28, 2013, 04:02:26 AM »
will this trial be as public as the last though? or will it be done privately, with only select info leaking out?

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I found this quote from the dailymail.co.uk interesting:

"After a judge ruled that there was sufficient evidence to warrant a jury trial, the family’s lawyer Kevin Boyle said: ‘The truth about what happened to Michael, which AEG has tried to keep hidden from the public since the day Michael died, is finally emerging.
‘We look forward to the trial where the rest of the story will come to light.’"


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I don't believe anyone is perfect.... even MJ - he might ell have had a drug problem, heck Ive seen footage of him and wondered myself in the past. SHE might have thought of him as off his chuff and "demonic", but that is just one person's opinion and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Some people judge others on their mistakes hence the particulalry harsh words, whee as some people look for the bigger picture and consider all the good that person has done, despite their downfalls....

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Latoya Jackson / Re: La Toya's book "Starting over"
« on: April 26, 2013, 06:38:07 AM »
No rolled over lol :P
IF he was killed I imagine it would go something like this:
Cornered at the staples center, he was captured  by his aggressors and taken back to his house by them, isolated and alone - of course he would reach out asking for help to ANYONE who could possibly help him -desperation as he realized his fate; he'd have run out of options, alone, afraid and in his agressors hands. The lights stayed on as he tied to escape from them,  the CCTV footage was deleted as they commited the murder, they turned the heating up after they killed him in order to preserve the body as warm, injected him with the popofol and threatened Murray. Forced him to put up the act that we saw on the 25th even though he had been dead much longer .... etc etc


However, I can see big holes in that theory so im not sure thats a viable option. He may well be alive somewhere :)


whooooo knows  :michael-jackson:

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Latoya Jackson / Re: La Toya's book "Starting over"
« on: April 26, 2013, 04:31:49 AM »
Thank you very much  - I shall give it a read over  :)  :smiley_abuv:

ps. please do carry on discussing here anyone who feels like it!
x

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Latoya Jackson / La Toya's book "Starting over"
« on: April 26, 2013, 03:23:17 AM »
Hellooo,

Well, I have just finished reading La Toya's book, and I'd firstly like to say- good for he, getting out of such a terrible situation with he husband, she must be a very strong person.

With regards to the part of MJ... Im torn..... I dont feel that someone could write such a detailed account like that, about how she reacted, saw his body, what his kids said, how she spent hours sitting with him in FL after the death and it be lies. SURELY one cannot write such emotive things about the family and it be lies? I really don't know how I feel about the whole hoax thing anymore. She seems adamant that he was murdered - she has said this on multiple occassions; could he reall be dead and it WAS murder?

What is everyone else's take on the book and he descriptions? I mean generally- not focussing on the parts where she was like "i was worried his body wasnt in the casket"- because when taken in context it's just a statement - I'm not clinging to anything she said in particularly and looking for "clues"- sometimes I feel people just ty and look too had and make things seem bigge than they actually are on here lol - sorry!

What are your overall feelings about he credibility and the descriptions. SURELY no one would lie about all that in a book...

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Perhaps :) of course I don't KNOW but that's always the feeling I have had.... that he wanted to bring our attention back to him for that short period; remind people of what they had in him, and produce the film to get out the "message" (4 years etc etc). I just get the feeling that he wanted that last big surge of love and adoration before he stepped back into the shadows to carry on with his life and work out of the public eye (again IF he hoaxed it and didn't really croak it). If thats really the case , good for him :) I hope he's happy!!

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Perhaps he made the announcement for TII because he wanted to go out with a bang. Not just fade off and die when he'd not been in the public eye. He wanted everyone watching, and perhaps he wanted the biggest response he could possibly get to his death  - its no secret he craved attention and love, so to "die" when the whole world was watching and waiting expectantly for him; people who had previously put him out of their mind were back to adoring him again after being reminded of his existance, he created the biggest mourning and outpouring of love he possibly could (IF indeed he IS still alive).

And you are welcome blankie  :bearhug:

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You are very welcome - I thought it might be of interest  :)

Personally I think that's the whole point of his hoax (IF indeed he is still alive and not really dead). I don't ever expect him to return to the public eye if he i still out there somewhere.... I think he would have wanted to vanish forever - Michael Jackson would be dead and he would be free to live the life HE chose, as someone else - the latter part of his life would be his and his alone.

Why would he go to the trouble of hoaxing it all up only to undo it all and make his exposure greater? No, I Im fairly sure deep down that he never plans to return to the public eye, if he did I'm sure he would have gone about things differently. Though ofc this is jut my personal opinion- if this i really the case I say good for him :) We might have enjoyed his works when he was alive but it's time for us to step back and let him be; let him live out his life has he wants, let him have the chance to love and be loved for who he is as a person, not as a personality and celeb, see the world through another's eyes and really live his life to the full - shopping where he likes, taking walks, anything. I like to imagine him out there walking amongst us, happy that he was finally able to achieve that.

And if he is dead... which would be a terrible shame that the world could lose such a wonderful human being, Im sure wherever he is he has found peace - and now it is our turn to learn from what he did and carry on his efforts to make the world a better place; moreover, for the world to learn a valuble lesson, that people who are differennt as not the ones to beat down and ridicule, they are the ones brave enough to express themselves and stand up for what they believe- they are our future and the people blazing the trail for a better tomorrow. I should hope it will be a long time before the media dares insult another person who stands up for their opinions and does good for the wider world.


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