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Ratner / Malnik / Motolla / Re: Mottola,MJ and the The Army of Yes men
« on: February 11, 2013, 02:03:21 AM »
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Ashprak247, do you think this DJ, at Sway in the Morning on Shade 45, obviously African-american based, was aware of the situation of MJ’s catalogue being at risk because of Matolla's sabotage of Invincible?  He seems to just be going along with the flow of helping TM promote his book, like he believes the garbage he was saying about MJ. Surely all blacks must be aware that MJ was fighting for all black musicians being taken advantage of finianically by the record companies, especially Sony.  Do you think he’s just biting his tongue? What would be really cool if all the black artists were setting a trap for TM to publicly expose him after he releases his book.  But...

You mentioned SOTT, do you think he was Michael?

I remember reading about some person observing Tom Sneddon and his team, and saying he was extremely racist, using the N-word many times.
Seems to me that using dirty tactics to gain money and racism go hand in hand. It shows their type of heart.
  :th_bravo: good judgment of facts!  :-*

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Revisiting Old Stuff / Re: Revisiting Old Stuff: Four years toget it right
« on: February 11, 2013, 01:32:17 AM »
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Andrea, “legalese” is right. Most of it goes right over my head.  (Notice that the writer of that blog is an MJ ‘deader’ though, which changes things drastically.)
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WTF?  Does that read to anybody else like AEG is saying if things don't go their way, they own everything Michael has and will have?? Like, EVERYTHING??  Now taking into account that AEG added 40 shows on top of the 10 Michael agreed to, it seems AEG was literally "banking" on the fact that Michael wouldn't be able to do all 50 and they would take everything he has and also take back the advances that Michael earned if he had been able to perform some of the shows.  They planned to overwork Michael and then steal from him - his music catalogue, everything - or so it would very much seem!!  No wonder they didn't care about Michael's health! They wanted him to fail!  But Michael knew exactly that, he had Kenny Ortega email his concerns to Randy Phillips but it fell on deaf ears.  AEG was trying to set Michael up for a fall but Michael turned the tables on them. He knew what he was signing, he knew what AEG was trying do and he knew he wasn't going to do a single concert for them.  Ha!

Now THAT would rock the trial!
Wow, you worded it so well!   And remember how Joe and Latoya kept saying Murray was just the fall guy, and that they KNEW who was behind it. So I’m thinking the Murray trial was pretty great, but this AEG trial is going to be the foundational meat and potatoes trial, where we’ll get to the bottom of things. It will involve TT, Colony, and Randy Phillips, and the real ‘killer’ behind MJ’s ‘death’.  But I believe MJ is telling a story in all this—masterfully, and it’s going to be astounding and breathtaking!  I believe TS and Front let us down on purpose, leading us into the next chapter—suspense, nail-biting, edge-of-your-seat, crushing disappointment, climax, etc.

Hes and Sweet, you could be right and I could be wrong-- it's just where I'm at thus far and maybe it's wishful thinking.
Here is a video with testimony from someone who worked in TII, about Randy Phillips, Kenny Ortega, and AEG, from the perspective that they were mean and pushing MJ, and MJ was frustrated and insecure.  So was this all acting, or real?
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Just some thoughts... I believe that Kenny Ortega sent the email to Randy Phillips at Michael's request, knowing that AEG would ignore it and push Michael as much as they could.  I don't believe that Michael was actually weak, frail, sick, rambling, whatever else that was said in the email - although I do think it's possible that Michael lost a bit of weight to appear this way and may have acted out of character, for believability from witnesses later on.  Maybe Michael became aware of a plan that didn't necessarily involve killing him, but taking away everything he had.  Nobody should be underestimated when huge amounts of money are involved, just because you or I wouldn't do it doesn't mean somebody else won't.  So Michael was aware of this plan, which may have been in the works for years.  Michael finally agrees to do the TII tour, knowing AEG will take the bait and try to screw him out of his money.  The timing of the tour would need to match up with Michael's hoax plans and when the tour was to happen would be totally up to Michael so AEG (or whoever else) would have to wait until Michael says so.  Michael signs the agreement then acts like he can't handle doing all the shows, like he's doped up or something, while the money grubbers are salivating and rubbing their hands together waiting for their big pay day.  But Michael fakes his death, as planned.  Maybe there's a sting there??

Like I said, just some thoughts.

Well, seems to me it's very likely that this is what has actually happened.
But, unfortunately "very likely" doesn't equal "it did happen". :(

Who knows... :Michael_Jackson_smiley_by_red
What if Michael sends us the message that we have four more years to try and help the planet? Try and be kind, volunteer, donate, help children around the world, help the planet in general, and do our best to help send his message? I know I might sound weird... but I watched TII yesterday for the second time.. and the feeling that I was left with was... ok, I'll be back, but I might not be, if you don't spread this message and help for a better planet the next 4 years to come...
I might sound ever weirder... but I saw some things on youtube... i am nost sure what to make of the Illuminati things and all, but all I am saying is that the songs he decided to sing on TII, are very much like ...chosen in a particular sequence/order..it's like a message he's sending, if we look closely at the song titles... like he's trying to say... that all those bad people who currently make the World Order will be punished for what they did to us, to the planet, because good will finally prevail. So, I'm starting to think that he wanted us not only form a forum and talk about him (which I think he likes and respects) - but also do something about what he loved and respected - that is, the Planet, the children, the poor.
What if we let this slip away, and didn't get the main point?
Sorry, I may be out of line a little, maybe my sensitive side and the fact that I am fan of MJ might have blurred my thoughts a lil' bit... but I tell you, I watched TII and I feel like this is it, you know... like this is what he wanted from us in the first place.
Hope I didn't bother you with all this.
 :smiley_abuv: :moonwalk_:

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Girl_In_the_Mirror, sorry, didn't mean to embarrass you!  :smiley_abuv:
It's ok, MJonmind! No problem, I totally understand and you were right!
BTW, I have a new idea, theory, after having watched more than 10 MJ interviews yesterday ... I guess I should start a new topic, huh? :p
 :bearhug:

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Michael Jackson News / Re: Piers Morgan interview with Joe Jackson
« on: February 10, 2013, 09:33:16 AM »
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Girl in the Mirror, great to have you have enjoyed your posts.
 
You DO love your numbers don't you?   :icon_razz:
I do, I do :)) i'm joking, of course.
Now I know I have been a little too into numerology lately, but like I said in a recent post, I am not usually into that. It just dawned on me that Mike's birth number is 6, then I said..why not calculate his death number... turned out to be also 6... I have no idea if there's a connection, but...who  knows :p

Thanks  Australian MJ BeLIEver, and thanks to everyone for being such a nice team!  :bearhug:

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Girl_In_the_Mirror, here is our forum’s HoaxPic upload site: Click ‘Choose file’, double-click on the picture in your personal file, click ‘Upload’, after picture appears on Hoaxpic, then click in the box beside ‘BBCode (Forums):  right-click ‘copy’, and lastly 'paste' it in your post.  The picture will appear when you preview or post.  It would be better if you posted it in the Paris twitter thread.
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Thank you MJonmind! I'm embarassed, I knew there must be a way I can upload a photo, but I was typing while at work, and also busy... and yes, you're right... I'll move it to the Paris twitter thread.
 :bearhug:

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Michael Jackson News / Re: Michael Jackson’s Mom’s Gets Court Favor
« on: February 09, 2013, 10:07:30 AM »
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Thanks RK, I'll start one when I have a bit more time later - unless anyone else wants to in the meanwhile.

Please go ahead it's a good idea, maybe we can bring back those members who have given up the forum to discuss it and learn why they left us.
I know I'm just a baby on this forum, and ever since i signed up, i did have my moments of doubt, i am still here and i'm with you all the way!  :) :bearhug: :moonwalk_:

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Michael Jackson News / Re: Piers Morgan interview with Joe Jackson
« on: February 09, 2013, 10:00:35 AM »
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Girl_In_the_Mirror, thanks for the lovely testimony of Wayne Dyer! Michael transcendent...mmm...makes logical sense!
Michael uses numbers his own way --Michamatics. :Michael_Jackson_smiley_by_red
  :LolLolLolLol: Michamatics :)) That's right, MJonmind! We'll have to stick around and wait for the results of the equation ;) which, will not equal zero :p

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Michael Jackson News / Re: Michael Jackson’s Mom’s Gets Court Favor
« on: February 08, 2013, 03:25:12 PM »
I've read all your posts on this section... I think I could use a group hug right now...  :D  :bearhug:  :multiplespotting:
I have some moments of doubt, then I get "back on track" only to find out that I get more confused  :( then back on track again....

 :abouttime: I started to leave my confusion behind....
help me guys, I don't wanna be a quitter :( :over-react-smiley:

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Hayvenhurst mortgage paid?!?!?!?!?  :icon_e_confused:

girl_in_the_mirror
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Again, for some reason, I cant seem to find this tweet anymore... hmmm...
Anyway, here it is, as I saw it on P's Twitter: Paris Jackson is a good actress. Prince Jackson is handsome. Blanket is adorable. Michael Joe Jackson is alive.

When did you see that Paris' tweet?? can you give us the link to that twitter, could it be a fake twitter I don't think Paris is gonna tweet something like that, to say so blatantly that his father is alive.
but I'll quote what a bunch of people who call themselves We <3 The King of Pop wrote on Paris's twitter..
I didn't say that Paris tweeted it :p
but some guys who probably have  a Twitter account ...
Hayvenhurst mortgage paid?!?!?!?!?
what about it? :confused:

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you're welcome MJonmind!  :bearhug:
I posted the comments which I ve found to be more interesting than others  [they were written probably by the author], but what you highlighted with red - those were my own personal thoughts :p so thanks for the feedback, glad I could help :)
One more thing: I've found a funny thing on Paris's twitter account :p For some reason, I cannot seem to insert it, but I'll quote what a bunch of people who call themselves We <3 The King of Pop wrote on Paris's twitter... i print-screened the page, for you to see it with your own eyes, but since i can't upload the image... :(

Again, for some reason, I cant seem to find this tweet anymore... hmmm...
Anyway, here it is, as I saw it on P's Twitter: Paris Jackson is a good actress. Prince Jackson is handsome. Blanket is adorable. Michael Joe Jackson is alive.


 :WTF:

 :confused:

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Hi There..

you've probably already seen this (i am quite new on the forum)... but still,  i found this link on web, about Michael's assets... and then I posted 2 or 3 comments of which author i think is the author of the article....who's, btw, anonymous.

I'll post both the link and the article
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AND THIS IS WHY THE JACKSON SIBLINGS ARE JUST INSANE .

Accusing MJS estate executors of fraud and not carrying out their duties when the estate is still in probate hence every deal and tansacation is cout approved..Fraud will be near impossible .

Here is Summary: of accs

Gross earnings as of May 31, 2012 is $475 Million.

Breakdown of $475 Million as follows - $310 Million gross earnings between June 2009 – October 2010 (first accounting period) - $134 Million gross earnings between November 2010 – December 2011. (second accounting period) - $30 Million gross earnings between January 2012 – May 2012.

Alll debt is current

Hayvenhurst mortgage paid

$65 Million of Mijac debt is paid and Estate expect to pay it in full by the end of 2012.

Estate is not in a position to be closed yet, Executors asking for administration of the Estate to be extended for one more year.

The only sale happened was some tangible property sold to Richard LaPointe per the settlement agreement in Julien’s Auction lawsuit. Schedule H lists all the items LaPointe got per settlement agreement.

Hayvenhurst is stated that “it will be maintained long term for the benefit of the family”. Renovations are still ongoing.

Katherine is asking for onetime payment of $205,401 to cover her professional fees occurred in 2011. Katherine is also asking for additional $34,700 per month to pay for her accountant and lawyers as well as to cover the expenses of family house in Gary Indiana and a residence in Las Vegas. Estate is asking the judge to allow this onetime payment and monthly increase.

12 Inventory value appraisals are done showing property valued at $50,677,002. Estate says additional personal property was discovered in Las Vegas and at Rock n Roll and Grammy Museum which is in total believed to be $6,700,000.

Estate’s main assets are 50% share in Sony/ ATV, 100% share in Mijac, Michael’s name and likeliness, Neverland and trademarks.

MJ Business activities consists of 2 Cirque shows (second resident show is scheduled to open in June 2013), Ubisoft MJ Experience game, multiple album deal with Sony, commercial endorsements and a possible film and documentary about Michael Jackson.

At the time of his death Michael was facing at least 6 lawsuits. Executors have been part of at least 15 lawsuits. 4 of them are still active, the rest have been resolved favorably for the Estate. Estate has also faced 65 creditor claims.

Estate is also employing multiple law firms around the world to protect Michael’s copyrights and trademarks. Second accounting lists 19 law firms (all around the world) and over $13.5 million in legal costs.

Schedule A (beginning) and Schedule I (end) shows the list of tangible property and business interest of Michael and now MJ Estate

In addition to Hayvenhurst (valued at $4.1 M) and a condo (valued at $315 K), Michael (and now his Estate) has 87.5% undivided membership in Neverland.

Schedule I shows by the end of December 2011, personal tangible property of Michael valued at $13 Million and MJ Estate cash (or equivalent) at $19 Million.

Schedule D shows net income from trade or business during second accounting period (Nov 2010- Dec 2011) at $106,734,448.

Payments to Katherine and MJ’s kids are as follows (Nov 2010- Dec 2011)

Kids allowance $2,139,194 Katherine allowance $470,814 Calabasas residence expenses $436,187 Condo payments $15,569 Hayvenhurst improvements $73,962 Taxes on properties $144,605 Insurance (health and property) $106,033 House employees $658,915 Katherine lawyer fees $233,911 Guardian ad litem $ 54,478 Utilities costs $53,211 Security $654,414 Repair & Maintenance $194,127

Total $5,205,516

Estate has also given multiple loans to Katherine

Loan 1 to Katherine $235,000 Loan 2 to Katherne $250,000 Loan 3 to Katherine $75,000 Loan 4 to Katherine $6,000,000 (for Katherine's debt to Segye Times)

Total loans to Katherine $ 6,560,000

Total paid to Katherine and kids equal $ 11,765,516 ( $5,205,516 + $ 6,560,000)

Estate paid $50,862,363 in taxes and licenses.

Estate has an archiving project ongoing that they paid $789,450. They paid over 1 million


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This is complicated,mainly because of family egos and who they believe owns the right to MJ's legacy.I'm sure it must grate that the executors get 10% of the estate forever while the siblings have to go begging to them,hat in hand,for crumbs.. And obviously MJ's siblings think they can do a better job handling the finances but we all know that's not true.

Yes,Katherine has been going the estate executors for money that she is obviously using to support the rest of the Jackson clan but over six million already and counting? What the heck are they doing with all that money?They have to change their lifestyle and stop living like as though there's an endless supply of(MJ's)money. It would be great if they took a lesson from Elvis Presley's estate but then again,Lisa Marie is his only heir. There are so many more damn Jackson's to support on more limited resources.It's almost like the longer Michael Jackson is dead, the more sane he appears to be.

He might have died with debt, but he actually did seem to ave some of his affairs in order out of respect for his children.

Weird.

You would think that he would have had a Will bequeathing random nonsense to random people and such. Instead, he had an iron clad Will and certain methodical minded things in place outside of that for his own children.

A part of Michael Jackson knew the deal with his grown ass brothers and sisters all along! Good for him.

Don't all of Katherine's expenses have to be itemized for the executors to approve? Why would they approve millions for her care and feeding? I don't get it. She's 82 years old and probably only goes to church and bingo. WTF does she do with all that money? If I was MJ's executor, I'd ask to see her books or she'd get nada.

hmmm...2 things: 1. That whole June 2013 Cirque thing...worth keeping in mind.  :omg:
2. Why would Katherine need so much money? Just for her/her and MJ's kids/her,MJ's kids and the other members of the Jackson family? Or maybe all of those mentioned before  + 1 other member who, being so dead, could use some of the money that mother Katherine is "loaning"...
Maybe my theory is good-for-nothing, but I though it was worth mentioning .... :confused:

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Michael Jackson News / Re: Piers Morgan interview with Joe Jackson
« on: February 07, 2013, 12:54:52 PM »
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'Transcendent Being' is not a description that someone like Wayne Dyer would make lightly and would/should in my mind be used only be attributed to someone who is Enlightened. 

I searched for definitions of the word 'transcendent'

Beyond human understanding and the material world
Mysterious
Divine
One more thing, gwynned ... I searched an Explicative Dictionary of Romanian Language (my mother language), and here's what I've found on "transcendent", beside what you found. I'll translate right now.
Something which can be found beyond any possible experience, unavailable to the knowledge based on experience, crossing the limits of reality.
Beyond ordinary intelligence, individual things, humanity.   ---> but this is, practically, what you said, but in other words :p
(Mathematics) Something/someone? which/who uses differential and integral calculus.
♦ (On some numbers - algebra) Which cannot be the radix of a rational coefficient polynom.
(On equations - algebra) - which cannot be written under the form of a polynom which equals zero.

Well, on a more funny note, I feel that we're all in an equation whose polynom cannot/will not equal zero! :)  :moonwalk_:

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Michael Jackson News / Re: Piers Morgan interview with Joe Jackson
« on: February 07, 2013, 12:40:23 PM »
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Thanks, everlastinglove_MJ.

I wrote it 2 days ago ... the day I decided it was high time I joined the forum :)

I listened to a radio interview with Wayne Dyer, motivational speaker and self-help author, who knew Mike personally ... and when I heard his words "This was a transcendent being who had not only enormous talent, but a heart as big as the sky", I felt that there were no better words to describe him... so I just felt that inspiration to write my own thoughts about Michael.[writing poems is not something new... I enjoy doing that :) ]

 :moonwalk_: :-* :bearhug:

Listen to the words of the song Dr. Dyer’s daughter sings at the end.  OMG - when I first heard this I cried for days..


Do you have a link to that radio interview?  Interesting he said MJ was a "transcendent being", and Front recently wrote about 3 levels of transcendence.
Wow, MJonMind...  :th_bravo:you did know how to read between the lines!
It didn't cross my mind to...think about the interpretation of the sentence... God! :(
I found on a site/forum, I thought it was here on this forum, when I found it, but I didn't pay attention to the link :(
I'll look it up on the internet again, and as soon as I find the link, I'll post it here, ok?
You made me really curious... so I won't have peace until I found the link  :computer-losy-smiley:

Don’t you just love Dr. Dyer…. He gives me a warm fuzzy feeling.  And yes, I have that video saved to my faves.  He loved Michael and respected him and said so many good things about him.  He would have been a wonderful character witness at the trials because he denounced that Michael was anyhing but a pure, gentle, kind, loving, spiritual human being who loved children with all his heart.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyCZ4x0cmmg[/youtube]

 :bearhug:

He would have been a wonderful character witness at the trials because he denounced that Michael was anyhing but a pure, gentle, kind, loving, spiritual human being who loved children with all his heart.
I so love what you just wrote... he would have made a wonderful witness ...
but what's done is done... :(


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Michael Jackson News / Re: Piers Morgan interview with Joe Jackson
« on: February 07, 2013, 12:37:11 PM »
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'Transcendent Being' is not a description that someone like Wayne Dyer would make lightly and would/should in my mind be used only be attributed to someone who is Enlightened. 

I searched for definitions of the word 'transcendent'

Beyond human understanding and the material world
Mysterious
Divine
I finally re-listened to the interview.
 Wow, great job, gwynned. Dr. Wayne Dyer indeed does not seem to be the kind of person (considering his profession) who would just say complex words, just to impress people. He clearly knows Mike and knows what he's talking about. It's what I said on my earlier posts.... gotta read between the lines (which I forgot to do, but you guys were awesome and did that for me, too :P )
So, what did that tell us? The whole...Beyond human understanding and the material world /Mysterious /Divine :omg:     :D  :)

PS: guys, if you want to, i can post the rest of my MJ poem here, or elsewhere on the forum...
it's not a work of art, but it's from the bottom of my heart :)


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Others / Re: Chris Tucker talks about Michael on Rickey Smiley show
« on: February 07, 2013, 08:19:05 AM »
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it seems whenever any of them talk about him it is stories about how he was , how it was to be around him. notice none seem to express that they miss him. or not that i can recall .
  :th_bravo: indeed! i noticed that too... nope, I don't think there's anyone out there who says they miss him *not that he wouldn't be missed...all the contrary* When Paris was on Ellen DeGeneres' s show, Ellen did say she missed him terribly, but maybe she said it to give us the impression Mike really died, or she doesn't suspect it could be a hoax ...  :P  well... there will surely be other interviews as well... must pay attention to what they say... if really all of them continue to use this present tense, and the wonderful person that he IS, and stuff like that... then ... it's crystal clear to me.
I really had my moments...when I doubted it all...but somehow, I got back on track, as they say...
 :moonwalk_: [let's] not miss a clue!

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