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Back/Front discussions / Re: Official back & Front thread
« on: August 12, 2012, 11:51:37 AM »
The turtle necklace is on Michael's neck, no doubt. But when was that picture taken and what it's meaning exactly posted it by Front?

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great video @2good.            Please change your avatar.

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She is biological mother after all despite what happened then. That gives her rights.
Debbie loved MJ so much, that she agreed to leave kids with MJ sole custody to make him happy not because she did not want or loved them.

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For the big picture, we still have to wait until April 2, 2013, at least, which is the first date in court for Katherine Jackson's lawsuit against AEG.

that's right, this fact cannot be ignored and definitely not the part of the hoax. 

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@Guestfortheday - thank you for sharing that information. It seems as though you are knowledgeable about CA law. So, do you know if the courts have waived the statute of limitation before?

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thank you. I actually have to correct my statement. There will be petition to court not to "Waive"  but "Eliminate" statute of limitation. Sneddon would have been the one who could request "to waive" statute of lim. on his behalf. lol
In this case, that's not gonna happen.
 Attorney who will be representing Wagener on behalf of MJ "postmortem" needs to submit petition to remove St. of Lim. This procedure is not unusual but not all types of crimes eligible. They have work to do, won't be easy.

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Waggener talks about malicious prosecution that he thinks to bring against Sneddon.
 BUT, statute of  limitation is 1 year.


As far as I get it, the accusation is fraud upon court, which doesn't have a statue of limitation. But what I don't get is why they mention a 7-year statue of limitations:

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Once this is done, the FRAUD is exposed and the statue of Limitations starts to run out. FRAUD by the Santa Barbara Dist. Atty. OFFICE “on the court”un-identified, and Uncorrected for the past 7 Years has prevented the Statute of Limitations from running out.

Anyone familiar with Californian law who can explain that?

Overall interpretation is complicated, cannot be discussed in its entirety  in 2 sentences. But in general it will look like this: since statute of limitation for fraud in CA is 3 years,  for malicious prosecution is 1 year.  Wagener first need to prove that there was a fraudulent action, then request court to waive statute of limitation on fraud that was recently discovered,then bring felony charges  against Sneddon for fraud, afterwads maybe also for malicious prosecution if court again waives statute of limitation.

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Waggener talks about malicious prosecution that he thinks to bring against Sneddon.
 BUT, statute of  limitation is 1 year.

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I found news about William Wagener on the vindicatemj blog. Maybe this has already been posted on another thread:

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William Wagener, CEO of MJJIFF, has turned up the HEAT.
A new documentary about the 2005 child molestation trial of The King of Pop, Michael Jackson, is slated to begin production sometimes before the end of this year.

Producer William Wagener announces that award-winning documentary filmmaker Bill Still, has been selected to direct the upcoming documentary film about the 2005 trial of legendary entertainer, Michael Jackson.

The letter of intent was signed on July 12, 2012 by William Wagener and Bill Still.

William Wagener will also present to the County Supervisors of Santa Barbara, for the first time, ever, an Affidavit of Criminal conduct by Tom Sneddon, former District Attorney and demand an independent investigation and INDICTMENT of Tom SNEDDON for committing THREE felonies during the Michael Jackson TRIAL in 2005.

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On August 14th, at 9:00 am on the Betteravia Government center, in Santa Maria, Ca. Addressing the monthly meeting of the County S.B. Supervisors, I shall give the supervisors official notice by affidavit that Sneddon committed 3 felonies in the trial, of MJ in 2005.
William Wagener will present to the County Supervisors of Santa Barbara, for the 1st time, ever, An Affidavit of Criminal conduct by Tom Sneddon, former Dictrict Atty. and demand a independent investigation and INDICTMENT of Tom SNEDDON for committing THREE felonies during the Michael Jackson TRIAL in 2005. Specifically to get Michael Jackson convicted false evidence was presented at court and caught by the Defense Atty.s Thomas Mesereau and Susan YU.
William Wagener invites all those who love justice or Michael Jackson to come and add 1 minute speeches after William Wagener’s presentment. And demand, like Mr. Wagener, that a special Prosecution of Thomas Sneddon be started by hiring a Special Prosecutor from outside Santa Barbara or even outside California, to investigate and Prosecute Thomas Sneddon.
Once this is done, the FRAUD is exposed and the statue of Limitations starts to run out. FRAUD by the Santa Barbara Dist. Atty. OFFICE “on the court”un-identified, and Uncorrected for the past 7 Years has prevented the Statute of Limitations from running out.
If you are coming to California anyway in August and can be there. Please be there. Show up for Michael’s sake. 9 am 1st Floor in the BetteraviaGovernmentCenter in Santa Maria, August 14th.
- William J. Wagener –

Each of the above three felonies is about fraud upon the court which is so severe a crime that fortunately it is not subject to any statute of limitation. Mary Brookins, one of the coordinators of the project, explains:
In the United States, when an officer of the court is found to have fraudulently presented facts to court so that the court is impaired in the impartial performance of its legal task, the act, known as “fraud upon the court”, is a crime deemed so severe and fundamentally opposed to the operation of justice that it is not subject to any statute of limitation.
Officers of the court include: lawyers, judges, referees, and those appointed; guardian ad litem, parenting time expeditors, mediators, rule 114 neutrals, evaluators, administrators, special appointees, and any others whose influence are part of the judicial mechanism.
“Fraud upon the court” has been defined by the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals to “embrace that species of fraud which does, or attempts to, defile the court itself, or is a fraud perpetrated by officers of the court so that the judicial machinery can not perform in the usual manner its impartial task of adjudging cases that are presented for adjudication”.
In Bullock v. United States, (10th Cir. 1985), the court stated “Fraud upon the court is fraud which is directed to the judicial machinery itself and is not fraud between the parties or fraudulent documents, false statements or perjury. … It is where the court or a member is corrupted or influenced or influence is attempted or where the judge has not performed his judicial function — thus where the impartial functions of the court have been directly corrupted.” Source: Wiki
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L.O.V.E.

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@Pearljr
FYI-Paris tweets 2 _MichaelJackson & they follow each other-_MichaelJackson joined twitter June 15 2009 so does that mean anything? U decide

@_MlCHAELJACKSON
@Pearljr Miss, you mustn't seek the identity of those who do not wish to be sought after any longer.


That doesn't sound good - if in fact it's u know who...

Blessings :)


I've also recently noticed this unverified account. It's the same account as MichaelJackson@Michaeljackson. Here some tweets:


Madina‏@_MlCHAELJACKSON

 Did anybody notice the inspiration behind the melodies during the Olympic ceremony?
 


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27 Jul Madina‏@_MlCHAELJACKSON

 Can I say something? I love you all so much. Thank you for defending me. From the bottom of my heart and soul.
 


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Madina‏@_MlCHAELJACKSON

 "We will meet again, don't know where, don't know when." -Salad Fingers


Madina‏@_MlCHAELJACKSON

 Please help bring Mrs. Jackson home.




Michael Jackson‏@_MlCHAELJACKSON

 Some "MJ" fans some of you are, you're no different than Bashir or Sneddon. You criticize and make rumors up. Cowards. Hypocrites.



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Back/Front discussions / Re: Official back & Front thread
« on: July 27, 2012, 08:31:50 PM »
I guess Back has signed in on his MJJ Community account or .........?
I have not checked if there is fresh post by Back.

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Paris Jacksoη ✔
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everyones taking control of me , it seems that the worlds got a role for me .. im so confused will u show to me you'll be there for me
 
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Paris Jackson Finds Comfort In Father’s Lyrics During Family Dispute



Paris Jackson may not be able to turn to her late father, Michael Jackson, for guidance anymore, but she can still turn to his music for solace.
 



The 14-year-old girl has been stuck in the middle of a hectic, and sometimes violent, battle between  her grandmother, Katherine Jackson, her aunt, Janet Jackson, and the rest of her father’s siblings.
 
Paris claims that her aunts and uncles are purposely keeping her from contacting her grandmother. Rumors even circulated last week that Katherine Jackson had been kidnapped by Janet Jackson and her siblings.
 
Paris wrote on Twitter: 8 days and counting . something is really off , this isn’t like her at all .. i wanna talk directly to my grandmother!!<|3
 
According to Randy Jackson, Katherine was taken to a hospital in California and spent last week resting with her family. Randy said that Katherine is now on her way back home and that she was in “much better health.”
 
The turmoil inside the Jackson family has to do with guardianship issues regarding Paris, Prince, and Blanket, as well as the division of Michael Jackson’s estate. Janet and her siblings claim that the will, which left Michael’s estate to his mother, was fraudulent.
 
According to ABC, a court battle over Michael’s estate and the legal custody of his children is imminent.
 
While the Jackson family fights over the legal issues surrounding Michael Jackson’s death, Paris Jackson is looking for a stable figure in her life.
 
The 14-year-old girl took to Twitter, writing:
 

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everyones taking control of me , it seems that the worlds got a role for me .. im so confused will u show to me you'll be there for me
 
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The lyrics are from Michael Jackson’s song “Will You Be There.”

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and Katherine still in Arizona, like she does not care how kids are?

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