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Who cares if he snores, it is nothing wrong about that, most people do if not all the time, sometimes, and if you never ever have snored ever, hurray for you!  /woohoo/

And the whole issue about wetting the bed, who knoew, we don't. And so what if he did, he is human, we do not know what happened in his life, we don't know if it had something to do with the prostate issue or abuse or if he even did in fact wet his bed.
But so what.

We can only speculate and guess.

or, maybe Murray will be a free man, or recive house arrest. (not real though).
Because La Toya said she wouldnt stop until all have been brought to justice. (not her exact words)

Hmm, I didn't think of the fact that there is no mug shot  /bravo/ they are usually so fast in spreading that out!  :shock:

I love Michael J Jackson and I love LOVE  party/

I am just going to state my thoughts on how, if, he faked this whole thing.

MJ always knew something was going to happen to him, he always said it was conspiracy around him, he knew things, he might have been threatened etc. He might have been drugged while on the rehersals of This is It, when he found out what the symptoms was of propofol poisoning he asked for help from people he knew love him, his family.
Maybe, just maybe, Michael either convinced Murray to help him, or Murray actually was there to help MJ get off Propofol, and when Randy Phillips threatened MJ (to Murray) Murray might have told MJ and they decided to fake his death.

Michael is famous, he has most likely been to hospitals, maybe bribed some people to help him, hired actors, so, the whole 911 call + when the medics came was all an act. MJ might have gone to the airport during this time somehow.

Was there a real dead body... I dont believe so.

MJ might have gone to the authorities/police to get help because he had hard evidence that they would kill him if he didnt preform. Thats might be how they are able to have doctors, judge, attornies etc. And a fake trial, because, Murray aint the one on trial, they want the big guys - AEG Randy Phillips is one of them.

I do believe MJ`s life was in danger, and if he is alive this is how it somewhat went down.

La Toya keeps on sayin that she wont rest until ALL have been brought to justice.
Jermaine says sort of the same thing.

I do not believe this whole thing is a movie or a "hoax", I belive it is serious business and nothing to laugh about.

I found it on the fb page, you have to scroll down.

What kind of real judge accept fan letters of Michael Jackson fans to determine sentencing?

Yup, if that is officially true that he is doing that, the trial is just a show.

Well if it were another doc that doc would be where Murray is so it doesnt matter, it just happened to be Murray. And he was charged with Involentary Manslaughter, not Planned murder.

I loved this well written enlightening words!
But be careful so you don't get tossed outta here, some people are not welcomed in here for some reason.  ???/

As long as you are looking for someone else, (TS, Front/back, etc), to give you the answers, you are NOT "thinking for yourself"!

Think about this for one minute family... As soon as TS or Front post, everyone can't wait to see what they have to say,so you "flock" to their posts, as fast as you can! This thread has already had 1000 views in the last 24hrs, yet the information that TS is giving you is stuff that has no bearing on the BIG PICTURE!! Have you learned anything "new", or is this just the same information in a different Package??? TS is showing you how easy it is for you to be controlled and that you are still letting FEAR and EGO control you!! You are digging yourself deeper and deeper into the hole of "control" by others.

If you are still trying to figure out "HOW" Michael pulled off this hoax, instead of "WHY" Michael did this, then you are just running in circles and you will NEVER break free!! You will not be thinking for yourself!

Of all of the Millions and Millions, if not Billions of Michael Jackson "Fans" in this world...who really, truly understands Michael's "message"?

If you are still concentrating on trying to "solve" the Hoax, then you are not understanding what this is truly about. If you need Michael Jackson to "physically" return to you in order for you to feel complete, or happy, then you are not understanding "WHY" Michael has done this!! If you are not happy in your life, it is up to you and ONLY you, to change that...Michael can't do this for you...that is only an "Illusion" that you yourself has created in your mind!! Think about it...If you still need to see Michael in the flesh in order to  "validate" that he is truly alive, then you aren't really a "Believer".If you think that somehow Michael reappearing is going to "Magically" change everything in your life for the better, you are deceiving yourself, because Michael CAN"T change your life!!! You are the master of your own being...You and ONLY you, and until you can see this and break free and take back control of your life, you are NOT making a change and THINKING for yourself!!

I truly LOVE you guys, and LOVE is the only thing I KNOW is real! Michael has taught me that LOVE is what is going to change the world, and it starts with US Learning to LOVE ourselves again and when you are living your life with Love, you are making a true difference!!

Please, I posted a video on this thread called Michael's message, and Not One person has made a comment on it, because they are trying to figure out what  TS's long, long message is about, when in fact, there is nothing NEW in those messages...You are banging your head against a wall!! What is it that you hope to learn from TS's messages??? Everything has already been PLanned and executed, you aren't going to find anything "Valuable" in these messages...honestly..

Michael's message is bring LOVE back into our lives and believing that we have the "MIND" power to change the world, not that he wants you to figure out HOW he executed this world wide hoax!!!

Mark my words family... the end result is that, "It's all for LOVE"...Nothing else matters!!
Tomorrow is 11/11/11 and I have a "feeling" that more of you will start to understand...because it has already been "written".

I will be here to help any of you in any way I can...I will never give up on trying to help you understand that LOVE is soooooo important, and I KNOW that this is what Michael is trying to get us all to realize.
If you want to help Michael and show him how much he means to you look to LOVE, but instead of doing this for Michael...do it for yourself and your family...do it for the betterment of Humanity, because until we all find the "Humanity" inside of us, and start living our lives with LOVE,  we are just "Human beings" being controlled by "OTHERS" and controlled by FEAR!!

It is your turn to SHINE!!!!!! Break free, "Make a change", "LIVE LOVE", BE LOVE...We are ONE!

I LOVE YOU ALL, and I won't give up on you, so please, don't give up on yourself..your "soul" is begging you to "set it free" with LOVE!!!!!!

Wow, I had some sort of Bashir flashback here...

And it is: Michael Jackson not Micheal Jackson  lolol/

The Jacksons know how the media works, and they played that card.
Bad publicity aka if you are against something and promote it, it will awaken curiosity in even more people to watch it.

I actually kinda told/asked my sister today of what she thought about the trial. She thought it was weird.
I asked her if she remembered how the verdict is read and she said one of the jury peeps says the verdict while standing, and the accused + others also stand.

She also mentioned that even before the verdict was read, the security changed positions and stood close and behind Murray, ready before the verdict was even read, she thought that was weird too.

And she also thought the defense attornies and the judge were not proffesionals, meaning she didn't think that is the was for a judge and attornies to behave in a court. (see other REAL trials in courts and you will see what I mean)

And she thought the remand was a big chock, since the jails are over crowded and he have come to court every day and so on, she felt that was a bit stretchy with remand without bail.

I did not ask her if she thought it was fake because maybe Mike aint dead. But she hinted a thought that she believed the defense attornies + judge were bribed. But she agreed that the trial was weird.

I don't know what to think of Murray, but if I think of when La Toya wanted people to watch the Illusionist (the movie) I did.
The doctor in the movie is in on the whole thing! The girl faked her death to get away from a violant man and to live happy with the other man. So...

Can Murray be in on the whole thing?
Because, WHO makes a documentary while being on trial for murder? In real life, come on!!!
And the lawyers were in on it???
It was some drama going on between the lawyers too, come on, lawyers are not stupied, and that old man messed up names and so much other things, he was the comedy in all this.

The only thing I don't get is why then did Murray say that MJ wetted the bed and it was because of abuse (obviously) allthough in the trial they said he had a big prostate that made some probs for MJ to urinate. But whatever, still, would MJ want Murray to say that? Why?

Randy Phillips is so one of those who wanted MJ dead, he has dark energy all around him!
Kenny Ortegas testimony was one of those I actually cried watching, and the way he looked straight into the camera while saying what MJ wanted, love, nature and all this, it went straight into my heart! He must have cared deeply for MJ!

I have never ever not even in LA ever heard of a trial where all of this goes down. And the fact that the jury didnt read the verdict and that Murray and all others didnt stand up. Cuffing him while Judge is speaking. The seal having 32 stars.

I don't know if MJ will ever come back, but if he does, I believe he wont until all guilty parties have been brought to justice and that his name has been cleared and that can take many years.

OMG! afraid/ Mark Lester was the movie teller!!! See link:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1663331/
Michael pastor was one of the character in the movie! Coincidence? NO!

And who is Mark Lester?
confused/

Jermaine is such a bad liar....he leaves clues all over the place!  What did he mean by "There's going to be a wrongful death coming up........in September"  ????

I wonder what that meant too.

I know this is off topic but I am new here and I couldn't find where I could start a new topic  :cry: so if someone can explain how I can do that, please do  ;)

And move this topic if necessery.

Remember when this TheIllusion777 or what his name was, was active, on twitter and had a blog? A few months back.
Then his blog got "hacked" and the whole thing got shut down and he was never heard of again.

Well, he did say some stuff that is now for a while actually been going on/happening.

He said that there would be a few documenteries coming out before MJ will do a comeback, to clear his name and make people understand him and WHY he had to do what he did.

First this trial that was just weird at some points and somewhat revealing.
Now this Murray documentery coming up.
The books Jermaine and La Toya have done.

I can't shake that illusion guy he keeps popping back up sometimes when all this is going on, and he said that the comeback, he could not give a specific date because of surtain things.
Either he was very lucky with all this or he was real.