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« on: November 12, 2011, 10:22:41 PM »
afraid/
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« on: November 12, 2011, 10:20:15 PM »
This is why I question the video footage, real or fake?:
Who got the "magic" ambulance picture? (EVENSTAD)
Who got the *W911 call info on the Firetruck monitor? (EVENSTAD)
Who got the video footage following the ambulance to UCLA? (EVENSTAD)
The point of using what he owns rather than the equipment or vehicles of LAFD is that Michael would not want to tie up public resources in the event of a genuine emergency. Using his own resources as much as possible makes the hoax more controllable.
So.....
1) 911 call was planned
2) ambulance picture was planned
3) ambulance/firetruck response was_________? :roll:
4) ambulance video to UCLA was________? :roll:
If the ambulance showed up on 6/25 @ Carolwood; was the ambulance on a "legitimate" call or "for hire" call?
Richard Senneff (Paramedic) - (legitimate EMS or "hired" EMS?)
Martin Blount (Paramedic) - (legitimate EMS or "hired" EMS?)
plus (*according to court testimony; 2-3 firemen who helped to carry the body from the house)(legitimate or "hired"?)
The ambulance and the 911 call go hand & hand.
Fake 911 call--->fake ambulance response
*W911....The purpose for having the firetruck parked infront of the house (note: California E911 calls are generally responded to by both Fire and EMS services)
This is EXACTLY what I was questioning earlier! OH MY GOD! afraid/ bounce/ Eeee, guys, keep the observations comin'!! This is what I'm talking about, seeing the FACT behind the media fiction!
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« on: November 12, 2011, 10:12:01 PM »
Welcome!!!
I look forward to reading more of your thoughts on the hoax.
We all need each other here to make sure we are sane about believing Michael is alive,
and this is a place we can be free to express our feelings about it.
I love your name btw...
Yes, Katherine confirmed it. And of course people will do that... I'm 99.9999% sure it deeply upsets Michael that his fans are sad, but this whole hoax is bigger then all that. He needed to do this & he's been planning it for a while. & Yes, I made hoax videos on youtube for months, I cannot count the number of times I got the "Michael wouldn't do that to his fans/friends/family" comment... I literally got it, probably about 500-1000 times. & I'm definitely not exaggerating. It's the nonbeliever's main argument. First, his kids & closest family members obviously would know about the hoax. I highly doubt he wouldn't tell them, and based on the clues from them, I'm sure he did tell them. And about his fans... Yes, the fans are hurt now, but imagine the joy they'll have when he BAMS! I KNOW Michael is alive, and I will still be extremely happy when he bams. Imagine the people that think he's dead! And here is the part where people go "Well, some fans might be angry at him." No matter if they're angry or not, they will be ecstatic, and if they aren't... well wtf? They aren't real fans anyway. :roll: Well, I hope I helped you understand a little better. :mrgreen:
That was wonderful ;u; thank you for sharing all that info and your experience. Michael had a lot to cope with in his life in a magnitude that I could possibly only compare with the likes of Elvis Presley. No...not even that. Much, much more complicated... (poor sweet man ;.;...) His family and friends, and fans like us that care for him as a human being with feelings and a need to escape the only way he can (which is really sad when you think about it), understand the why's better than anyone. We see him not as an image or celebrity, but as just a person. An incredibly inside-out beautiful one, but still...a person. Welcome!!!
I look forward to reading more of your thoughts on the hoax.
We all need each other here to make sure we are sane about believing Michael is alive,
and this is a place we can be free to express our feelings about it.
I love your name btw...
Posted by: everlastinglove_MJ Hi, I'm glad that you decided to stop lurking around after all this time and join us here . Welcome!
I'm not sure either if Michael comes back in the spotlight, though I'm certain that he's alive and I deeply hope that he's okay.
You've probably read a lot already, and please do not hesitate to post because I'd love to read your perspective on matters and theories, as from others here. LOVE is all around you here.
with L.O.V.E. always
Posted by: PureLove Welcome to the hoaxie family, your post will be as important.. So please keep on posting, and I will be looking forward reading them.. Blessings.
Posted by: fordtocarr I can't tell you how much your sweet welcomes mean to me. ;o; Thank you so, so very much, I will post as much as I can! <3
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« on: November 12, 2011, 10:05:58 PM »
I came here because I was tired of the tears.
They stopped a very long time ago, because of my heart's gradual reassuring that I didn't have to cry-
Michael never left.
I didn't know why it kept saying that, but it did.
Perhaps I cried more because I tried to shut that feeling up and tell it it was just ridiculous, wishful thinking while living in a certain river in Egypt,
if you know what I mean.
I spent a long time doing that, until I found out about the hoax.
I have to be honest, in the very beginning, I thought all of you were nuts. lolol/ Until I decided...
You're nuts but you're VERY intelligent nuts who are catching things that so many, for some reason, are not seeing --those 'sane' people just deciding to swallow whatever the media tells them, he's dead, proof's in front of them, they're not living in denial and that's it.
Looking at them now, and looking at what I wrote a few days ago on a personal blog about how I feel about the Conrad Murray verdict (feeling ashamed of some downright vicious fans who are celebrating Murray's going to jail and pretty much wanting him dead cause it's "justice 4 Michael!!11 MURDERERRR!!" - or maybe just not understanding them 'cause I know he did not kill Michael at all, seeing the lovely lovely man is alive and well)...
Suddenly I feel like _we're_ the perfectly normal ones who are seeing straight.
There's a reason we're seeing all this.
To everyone on this thread who's feeling down, don't...
To have fear, to trust in things that don't make sense to you, is to turn your back on your own mind...
And to turn your back on your mind, by mind I mean your spirit which sees ALL that your eyes may not catch so quickly,
is to turn your back on Michael.
I spent the last near-decade of my life turning my back on everything that wasn't as true as Mike...
So I'm not about to start losing my faith in him now.
Your words keep me strong. <3 I hope mine helped at least some of you.
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« on: November 12, 2011, 03:28:39 PM »
rr/ Wow, that is just TOO awesome to be real.
But it IS real! Real as real can be, right? I'm not dreaming?
For how long has LaToya been talking about this movie?...
Just a few days ago, I was writing on a tiny MJ fanclub I'm in on how LaToya only spouts BS when she speaks.
"Justice was served because Michael was in this courtroom", she said [about Conrad Murray's guilty verdict].
Now that I know this about her 'Illusionist' recommendation,
Maybe I seriously misinterpreted something about the verdict being guilty because MJ was 'there'...
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« on: November 12, 2011, 03:15:18 PM »
Michael's made so many loopholes... he won't be charged for anything. The biggest loophole, IMO, is using "Joseph" as his middle name on autopsy, death certificate, etc. instead of his REAL, LEGAL middle name "Joe" (as confirmed by LaToya, his passports, and other documents.)
Oh, yes!! There's that. I think Katherine also confirmed Joe as his middle name as well, correct me if I'm wrong. I see Michael as... much smarter than he lets himself appear to be. I trust him to have thought of everything. I wish I could know about more loopholes, too. What about his public image, though? I can just see he'd get the likes of "you realize people have gone CRAZY/suffered/some have even taken their own LIVES because of your 'death'?". Has the "Michael wouldn't do this to his fans/friends/family" subject been covered?
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« on: November 12, 2011, 01:32:00 PM »
I had a thought/question on the whole ambulance thing, and made a post somewhere else, but someone said it would be beneficial if I mention it here-
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Okay, guys! My first official post with a major thought on this.
My Mum has never been a believer in the hoax, and probably never will be. Period.
But she DID pose an interesting question to me I brought to a friend of mine who is a sorta on-the-fence beLIEver and it seriously got his brain cranking, and now I want to bring up to all of you:
The famous footage of the ambulance -- who was filming that?
A random passerby?
Paparazzi?
Or someone rolling cameras for Michael?
I mean, how many people knew that Michael Jackson lived there?
And how did they arrive just in time to catch all this, so precisely, so professionally?
Such perfect, unshaky capturing is not that of an amateur.
Note: Bec said it was probably Ben Everstadt's people who were filming, which makes me MEGA suspicious.
You know, Mr. "That day, and the other da-- *oops*"...
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« on: November 12, 2011, 01:27:33 PM »
Ben Evenstad's people filmed it, so says Ben. They were the only ones there outside Carrolwood that day.
Ohh, you mean Mr. "That day, and the other day"?  NOW it's starting to make some sense... And Snoopy, thank you for the link!
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« on: November 12, 2011, 12:06:27 PM »
Okay, guys! My first official post with a major thought on this.
My Mum has never been a believer in the hoax, and probably never will be. Period.
But she DID pose an interesting question to me I brought to a friend of mine who is a sorta on-the-fence beLIEver and it seriously got his brain cranking, and now I want to bring up to all of you:
The famous footage of the ambulance -- who was filming that?
A random passerby?
Paparazzi?
Or someone rolling cameras for Michael?
I mean, how many people knew that Michael Jackson lived there?
And how did they arrive just in time to catch all this, so precisely, so professionally?
Such perfect, unshaky capturing is not that of an amateur.
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« on: November 12, 2011, 11:41:55 AM »
AMAZING STUFF. o: Thank you for posting this!! All of you!
Michael's pins... gosh, he wore a lot of them, huh? /woohoo/
One that sticks out to me is the one with the caduceus. (snakes wound around a staff)
The caduceus = medical symbol.
Doctors.
Coincidence? (not that I believe in those...)
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« on: November 12, 2011, 11:37:26 AM »
Welcome (:
I applaud you on having the courage to post :mrgreen:
One of the biggest reasons I believe Michael will comeback is because the amount of clues this hoax has, there is HUNDREDS of clues pointing to Michael being alive. I'm 99% sure that if he wasn't going to come back, there wouldn't be anywhere near as many. Michael is a perfectionist, and he is very smart... he would know how to make this hoax seem 100% real if he wanted to. Also because of the piece after the credits on TII.
 Thank you so much! All your warm welcomes are so lovely ;u; I feel the same way about the clues. It all says just like at the end of TII, "Let me breathe in my own time."... then he'll come back when he's ready. All I want is concrete proof he is alive. Something undeniable by BOTH my brain, and my heart. There's so much already that's practically in stone that he did not die that day. And all those that that feeling deep down, we call it a gut feeling but it's deeper than that, that doesn't just believe- it KNOWS. It reassures me "yeah, don't question it. That's it." But then my brain comes in with voices telling me I'm just imagining things and being ridiculous, making up a different Michael that has superhuman intelligence and foresight. But then the arguement goes on: heart/gut feeling/hunch goes, "But you don't HAVE to be a 'super' human being to have those things." It just keeps going, and all I can do is go by feel. Because words and images can lie, but true knowledge... when you really notice or SEE something not with your eyes but with your soul, your perception... Can't be fooled for long. The only doubts are 'how can Mike return legally, get past the whole 'not only is faking your death illegal but do you realize what a horrible thing you did to your friends and fans!' thing?' I trust Michael, and I'm gonna be patient to see what he does... But I wish that nagging question would leave me alone. bounce/ Again, thank you, you guys <3333
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« on: November 12, 2011, 12:53:28 AM »
Welcome. I'm glad you came out of obscurity.
Thank you so much for the warm welcome! <3 I wish I had sooner <3 Have no worries, he will be back.
I love it so much when people say that. But I always have to ask... what makes you so sure? If I could ask Michael, I'd tell him I completely understand if he can never return to the public eye. To protect himself, to start a new life. Or perhaps because he just can't -- what with the trial and 'death' and all, and the looming question of how his fans would treat him after he came back after pretty much hoaxing his death (no matter what perfectly good reasons he has). I want to ask all of you, just to share thoughts- what makes you certain Michael will return?
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« on: November 11, 2011, 10:22:48 PM »
Hello hello, you lovely people. <3!
I have finally gotten the courage to make my first post here!
I don't know why it took me so long, seeing as this forum family here and I think so much alike.
It was because of this forum, a long long time ago, that pieces of the puzzle of confusion and pain in my heart at the idea of Michael being dead finally started coming together,
and I finally started crying some tears of hopeful joy instead of sorrow and just total and complete confusion as to why nothing made sense since June 25th, 2009.
You know, that day, as soon as I heard the news immediately after Jermaine told us he was gone,
the first words out of my mouth were "It's a hoax!".
As if I knew.
The feeling never left me since. I'd only feel pain when I tried to understand and convince myself that it all was in true, plain black and white: Michael had died and that's that.
When I stopped attaching myself to that, to everything the media told me and showed me and shoved in my face...
The quiet, calm reassurance that things are NOT as they seem grew stronger.
That though I may never, ever see Michael again as we knew him -- due to his complex reasons for needing to get away for the sake of protecting his own life -- even though he may never find a way to come back...
I know he's still in his own healthy body, alive, and free.
The knowledge strengthened more AFTER I heard the verdict the other day.
I was shaken for a while, but then I came here- and it all came back to me full force.
I still am not sure about a 'bam' day, though. How Michael can ever return as the same Michael Jackson he was, legally, safely and back in the warm embrace of his fans he's always had...
I have no idea and wish I could understand how a lot of you seem so sure.
But I'm going to trust my heart in all it tells me,
and in all the truths it's showing me with every inconsistency in the ongoing story, every hint of a miracle in some strange disguise...
I'll believe.
Because the logics in my mind and in my common sense and in my eyes never tell me lies.
I have so many stories, so many thoughts I'd love to share, and I hope I get the chance to share them with all of you. <3
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