This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.
Messages - ashprak247
Filter to certain boards:
Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 ... 8
16
« on: March 08, 2013, 07:40:51 PM »
No problem I urge everyone go see it. So many cues makes me believe that Michael is somewhere behind the curtains with this film. Yep added with the fact that prince was working and interviewing the cast in oz with his ET job makes me think Michael is behind that move by prince too somewhat.
I couldn't believe what I was hearing and seeing by all the characters in the film tha made think Michael
Bet there's are loads more than what I simoy jotted down watching the film in the cinemas for the first time.
17
« on: March 08, 2013, 05:28:01 PM »
Thought id create a new rewd on this film so others can add to the clues i saw in Oz The Great And Powerful.
Omg just watched oz the great and powerful. SO many hoax clues and Ive no doubt Michael is behind this film guys!!!
I wrote down all the clues I saw whilst watching the film. He's what I saw sorry for the spoilers please don't read as there's snippets of the film below.
- Circus at beginning bit like Barnums circus
- ' Clue ' wording on a bottle
- Monkey as assistant like bubbles
- Elephants everywhere
- Believe word used so many times during film
- Butterflies used throughout film. Illustrating resurrection
- King claiming his throne
- Save all the people
- Oz the great
- 'You're going to fix everything'
- Emerald city on the yellow brick rd
- 'Fits like a glove '
- Spider illustrating resurrection like the spider in this is it
- ' You're gna die ' crows say it as they enter the forest
- ' The undead '
- The heart
- ' Can you make them believe '
- The good people making things one guy says ' I can make a scarecrow '. a clue with Michael in the wiz
- Oz says ' We do an Illusion slight of hand '
- Oz says ' we will put on a show '
- Before the battle Oz says ' Gna need everyone to believe '
- Monkey says to Oz ' Thought you were dead' when oz creates an illusion faking his death
- Oz says ' You thought you cud kill me
I'm invincible '
- Thank you for your faith in me
- I've saved the best for last
- Glenda and bad witch fighting in air. - Bad witch says 'where are your bubbles now ' to the good witch and good witch replies ' the bubbles are just for show '
- Oz says at end ' You'll be astounded by what's behind the curtain '
18
« on: March 08, 2013, 05:25:51 PM »
Thanks sweet sunset.
I'm always reading the threads on here everyday just don't post unless I have something of worth to post and ' This Is It ' no pun intended lol
There's probably more clues in the film, will have to see in cinemas again.
19
« on: March 08, 2013, 04:41:08 PM »
Yeah added with princes interviewing the cats of oz in his ET job. It's all making sense.
Keep hearing that Michael may comeback in June with his ONE show in las Vegas but Michael could BAM anytime.
Think we may get more cues in the AEG case on 2nd April
20
« on: March 08, 2013, 04:38:56 PM »
Thanks. It as amazing standing this film and all these clues kept coming out. My Missus just met seeing toying away on my iPhone the clues that I saw and heard.
When you watch it everyone will see with their own eyes.
Sorry I couldn't find a thread talking about this film. Maybe someone could start one so we vpcan discuss more.
This Michael behind the curtain for sure. I wouldn't be surprised if Michael has bought a stake in Disney coz some trailers fr upcoming Disney films had more clues that Michael is working behind the scenes and is doing what he dreamed off after music - working in the film industry.
21
« on: March 08, 2013, 03:53:57 PM »
Omg just watched oz the great and powerful. SO many hoax clues and Ive no doubt Michael is behind this film guys!!!
I wrote down all the clues I saw whilst watching the film. He's what I saw sorry for the spoilers please don't read as there's snippets of the film below.
- Circus at beginning bit like Barnums circus
- ' Clue ' wording on a bottle
- Monkey as assistant like bubbles
- Elephants everywhere
- Believe word used so many times during film
- Butterflies used throughout film. Illustrating resurrection
- King claiming his throne
- Save all the people
- Oz the great
- 'You're going to fix everything'
- Emerald city on the yellow brick rd
- 'Fits like a glove '
- Spider illustrating resurrection like the spider in this is it
- ' You're gna die ' crows say it as they enter the forest
- ' The undead '
- The heart
- ' Can you make them believe '
- The good people making things one guy says ' I can make a scarecrow '. a clue with Michael in the wiz
- Oz says ' We do an Illusion slight of hand '
- Oz says ' we will put on a show '
- Before the battle Oz says ' Gna need everyone to believe '
- Monkey says to Oz ' Thought you were dead' when oz creates an illusion faking his death
- Oz says ' You thought you cud kill me
I'm invincible '
- Thank you for your faith in me
- I've saved the best for last
- Glenda and bad witch fighting in air. - Bad witch says 'where are your bubbles now ' to the good witch and good witch replies ' the bubbles are just for show '
- Oz says at end ' You'll be astounded by what's behind the curtain '
22
« on: March 03, 2013, 07:52:13 AM »
The King of Pop, Michael Jackson still alive? By Michael Green Washington You are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login
23
« on: February 15, 2013, 07:21:00 PM »
They were after Michael since he got the Beatles cat. They bried to kill him twice with both allegations. They failed and then Michael outsmarted them. Dick Gregory: You Don't Know The REAL MJ Pt 1/2.. You are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginDick Gregory: You Don't Know The REAL M.J. Pt 2/2. You are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login
24
« on: February 11, 2013, 06:38:24 PM »
If Michael planned this hoax just after invincible in 2002 and when Sony & TM tried to take mike down then what SOTT said makes sense.
In one of his posts he said something along the lines of ' a new album will rise invincible in disguise ' al,ost as if Michael KNEW Sony planned to sabotage Vince so Michael held back the best songs so he could launch under a new label and do everything he planned.
Michael like he said at the killer thriller party to us ' he outsmarted them the suits '.
I think the song on Vince called threatend is part of this hoax look.
Threatened lyrics – 2001
You’re fearing me, ‘cause you know I’m a beast
Watching you when you sleep, when you’re in bed
I’m underneath
You’re trapped in halls, and my face is the walls
I’m the floor when you fall, and when you scream it’s ‘cause of me
I’m the living dead, the dark thoughts in your head
I know just what you said
That’s why you’ve got to be threatened by me
You should be watching me, you should feel threatened
Why you sleep, why you creep, you should be threatened
***
You think you’re by yourself, but it’s my touch you felt
I’m not a ghost from Hell, but I’ve got a spell on you
In one blink I’ll disappear, and then I’ll come back to haunt you
***
From a far corner, out of the dark
A nightmare, that’s the case
Never Neverland, that’s the place
This particular monster can read minds
Be in two places at the same time
This is judgement night, execution, slaughter
The devil, ghosts, this monster is torture
You can be sure of one thing, that’s fate
A human presence that you feel is strange
A monster that you can see disappear
What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare.
It isn’t. It’s the beginning.
This is one of the most bizarre songs that he has written. Apparently he turns into a beast that people should be scared of. But he is not a ghost, he is the living dead. He can see you, knows what you say, and you can feel him. But, he disappears and and comes back to haunt. He can be in TWO places at the same time. Meaning one in disguise and one dead? The closing is the epitome of the song, as it states that the nightmare is just beginning. Beginning of a new start?
25
« on: February 11, 2013, 06:30:27 PM »
Tbh I have n idea but this ass lickin of TM is crazy all the black people knew Michael was fighting for them during the invincible era.
They tried to kill Michael with the BS and false allegations, if that didn't kill him they tried to get back the Beatles cat anyway they could.
It would be great of all black artists were trying to get their back on TM after what he did to Michael but I don't know.
I know one thng though when Michael returns TM is gonna be in for the shock of his life.
Michael said Mariah Carey told Michael EVERYTHNG about TM and his games.
As for SOTT well not sure if he was Michael but boy he predicted and knew a lot obout the situation Michael was going through.
26
« on: February 10, 2013, 04:43:06 AM »
It was said in that just before the release of Invincible, Jackson informed the head of Sony Music Entertainment, Tommy Mottola he was leaving the record label. As a result, all singles released, video shootings and promotions concerning the Invincible album were cancelled. Jackson made allegations in July 2002 that Mottola was a "devil" and a "racist" who did not support his African-American artists, using them merely for his own personal gain. He charged that Mottola had called his colleague Irv Gotti a "fat black (the n-word)". Sony disputed claims that they had failed to promote Invincible with sufficient energy, maintaining that Jackson refused to tour in the United States. Michael accused Sony and the record industry of racism, deliberately not promoting or actively working against promotion of his album. So on July 6th to the 9th of 2002, Michael was in New York, letting to world know how he felt about Tommy Mottola and Sony at a National Action Network meeting in Harlem.
Now, if Michael would leave Sony, was ATV Music Publishing going with him? What is ATV? As some of you know it is the "rights" to all the Beatles songs and more. After Jackson's acquisition of ATV, his record label at the time, CBS, were negotiating the sale of their record division in an unrelated deal. Soon, after hurried arranged meetings and disagreements over the selling price, Michael had made the deal.
Sony wanted advance into music, films and games. Looking for opportunities, the company aimed to expand its music publishing interests. They offered Michael $90 million for 50% of ATV in 1995. Michael said yes. Michael's Jackson's own songs were not included in the deal. They merged and now became Sony/ATV Music Publishing and the third largest music publisher in the world.
So in 2002, Michael left Sony for good! At that time Forbes magazine estimated Jackson's 50% stake in the company, along with other music publishing ventures, to be worth $450 million. In 2003 in was up to $700 million. By 2004, based on the sales of rival catalogues, experts valued the catalogue at between $600 million to $1 billion. Charles Koppelman, a veteran music industry executive, stated that $1 billion was more reflective of Sony/ATV Music Publishing's worth. Ryan Schinman, chief of Platinum Rye, estimated it to be $1.5 billion. In 2005, Thomas Mesereau, Michael's defense attorney in the 2005 child molestation trialrevealed that the song catalogue had been valued at between $4 billion and $5 billion. Jackson's other publishing firm, Mijac, which publishes songs written by Michael Jackson and which is administered by competitor Warner/Chappell Music, is valued to be worth at least $75 million.
In one of Michael's speeches in June of 2002, he stated,
"...And being the artist that I am, at Sony I've generated several billion dollars for Sony, several billon. They really thought that my mind is always on music and dancing. It usually is, but they never thought that this performer - myself - would out think them.
So, we can't let them get away with what they're trying to do, because now I'm a free agent. I just owe Sony one more album. It's just a box set, really, with two new songs, which I've written ages ago. Because for every album that I record, I write - literally, I'm telling you the truth - I write at least 120 songs every album I do. So I can do the box set, just giving them any two songs.
So I'm leaving Sony, a free agent, owning half of Sony. I own half of Sony's Publishing. I'm leaving them, and they're very angry at me, because I just did good business, you know. So the way they get revenge is to try and destroy my album. But I've always said, you know, art, good art, never dies. "
Let's look at page two of the will.
"I appoint JOHN BRANCA, JOHN McCLAIN and BARRY SIEGEL as co-Executors of this Will...."
John G. Branca is an entertainment lawyer. Michael abruptly left Branca in 1990 when record company mogul David Geffen convinced him that Branca exerted too much control. Michael re-hired Branca three years later, and Michael appointed Branca as one of his representatives on the Board of Sony/ATV. In 2006, Branca resigned as Michael 's lawyer and sold back his equity interest in Sony/ATV. Approximately three weeks before he died, Michael rehired Branca?
So was there a conspiracy?
Tom Mesereau said:
"What Michael said about a conspiracy makes logical sense, but I have no evidence of it. If Michael were in jail or in prison, how would he defend his ownership in the catalogue? How would he defend all these frivolous lawsuits? Sony had so much to gain if there was a conviction..."
So what is the bottom line?
In March, Sony Music, a unit of Sony Corp announced a $250 million deal with Jackson's estate, which will result in up to 10 albums using the singer's previously unreleased music. The deal was unprecedented in the music industry as it is the most expensive music contract to a single artist in history.
He was worth more dead than alive!
27
« on: February 10, 2013, 04:32:42 AM »
No worries about the info. It got me so angry when I saw that video of the devil mottola on radio talking abt mike. They wanted to get the cat if mike and bankrupt him so he would would be penniless. In their eyes how could a BLACK man own the Beatles cat that's what they saw. I was here at the below killer thriller party in london. I had just finished my degree exams and got the train to London to protest for Michael outside the sony uk hq. then later Michael turned up on a open top bus. They a fan party was organized months ago and Michael turned up. OMG!!! Couldn't believe my eyes. He told us all what Sony and mortola were doing. Mike said ' they thought my mind was on the music, it was but They never thought this performer myself would out think them '. You are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login
28
« on: February 09, 2013, 07:52:59 PM »
You are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginSony And Conflicts of Interest I’m going to present an excerpt below from an article called “Why Invincible Became Invisible“, which explains the rift between $ony and Michael Jackson over his Invincible album. First, though, have a quick look at this video, where Michael himself explains what the issue was: And, here is the most pertinent excerpt from the “Why Invincible Became Invisible” article I mentioned in the first paragraph: The reason why INVINCIBLE is no longer being promoted by Sony Music is because the record company is fighting with Michael Jackson over a financial matter. A few years ago, as an advance on payments on the forthcoming sales of INVINCIBLE, Michael Jackson negotiated a loan from Sony Music, a common transaction between artists and record companies. In order to validate the loan, Michael Jackson had to put his ownership in the ATV Music Publishing catalog (including the 251-song Beatles’ catalog) as collateral. The ATV Music catalog was bought by Michael Jackson in 1985. In 1995, it was merged with Sony Music’s Sony Music Publishing catalog to become ATV/Sony Music Publishing. When merging his ATV catalog with Sony’s, Michael Jackson pocketed a sum estimated to be 95 million dollars. Today, Sony Music is pressuring Michael Jackson to refund the loan he took from them. And they have the means to do so. The problem is that Sony Music are simultaneously preventing Michael Jackson from repaying the money he owes them by sabotaging the promotion of the INVINCIBLE album, Jackson’s main source of income to refund the loan. Now, $ony not only jerked Michael around on the promotion of Invincible in an arrangement what was CLEARLY an unethical conflict of interest on their part, but they may intend – now that he is gone, to finagle ownership of Michael’s own catalog/publishing company: MiJac Another link also alludes to $ony’s rabid desire to get their hands on Michael’s share of the Sony/ATV catalog: You are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginThe relevant excerpt is: In addition to clearing up Mr Jackson’s finances, the deal would satisfy Sony’s long-held desire to take control of the catalogue, and bolster a music publishing business that trails those of its rivals, such as EMI, Universal and Warner Chappell. Also, HERE is a link to a PDF file from John Branca’s own website about the deal Michael was forced to sign in 2006 to “restructure” some loans. The document gives details about $ony having the open option to buy half of his 50% share of the Sony/ATV catalog back from Michael “in the next few years” to pay off debts, and with Branca and $ony primarily benefiting from the deal, as well. The document begins with this: The deal is a coup for Sony, which has long hoped to acquire a larger interest in the thousands of copyrights owned by Sony/ATV And sadly, it ends with this: There’s no question it’s the most valuable thing Michael has left. The songs hold enormous emotional value.
29
« on: February 09, 2013, 07:32:15 PM »
And From Jermaine Jackson's book
IT WAS REPORTED SOMEWHERE THAT INVINCIBLE didn’t max out on sales because Michael didn’t want to take it on tour, but that was never true. An album tour was planned, designed, and he was ready and willing to go on the road in spring 2002, nationally and overseas. But then 9/11 happened, and it was canceled at Michael’s request. I know this led to an argument over the phone with Tommy Mottola. Michael blamed him for not promoting his album, and Tommy blamed him for not doing the tour that would have promoted the album. I didn’t understand Sony’s argument because my brother was one of countless artists who canceled tours that year, including our sister Janet; the mood at that time was not to travel within the heightened sense of alert. If American targets were at risk and those terrorists audacious enough to take down the Twin Towers, then a stadium filled with fans for America’s greatest entertainer could be hit, too. Michael took the decision not to put his fans or his tour staff in that position: it was common sense.
Personally, I think that when Michael backed out of that tour in the September, Sony put the brakes on a full-fledged promotion in the October. It kept telling Michael that it had spent $24m on the album and needed an artist who was prepared to promote it. At one point, Michael attempted to win over the situation by playing politics with Tommy, seeking to appease him by inviting his wife, Thalia, to sing on the Spanish version of “What More Can I Give?” I don’t know if that version was ever released in Latin-American territories, but if Michael had hoped it would increase the level of promotion for Invincible, he would have been disappointed. The big sadness was that if 9/11 hadn’t happened, the tour would have gone ahead, keeping him performing into the year 2004.
-----------------
He based that on information received in a phone call from someone he trusted. He felt strongly that everything was designed to back him into a financial corner: the less successful his albums, the less royalty income. The less he earned, the more reliant he’d be on his share of the Sony-ATV catalogue which he’d already borrowed against to the tune of $200 million from Bank of America . . . guaranteed by Sony. And the more debt he had, the stronger the chance he’d be forced to sell his interest in the catalogue. At least, that was Michael’s thinking.
I believe MJ version of events way more then the rest! I think there some truth in what everyone else had to say but not in all! They gave up on Invincible way to soon over at Sony w/ TM making sure it happened over some B.S disagreements because he was boss and wanted to show that IMO. And no I wouldn't think Sony would have dared to try to take MJ Catalog off of him after he publicly said they would! SMART MOVE MJ! lol
How can some say it was "Yes men" who had control when it comes to his financial state. But, then "MJ was a grown man" when it comes to the stuff involving TII/AEG/Murray?
Michael never had a reason to envy anybody, but he was the subject of much envy, including by Mottolla. And nobody knows the real reason why TII tour was planned. And MJ was quoted as saying to fans, that he had 'concertizing' ideas in store for them. That word doesn't necessarily mean just touring. And, at first, he was very reluctant to do more than ten shows in one place at the time of that press conference. That doesn't sound like what, alone, it would take to erase the ever changing exhorbitant numbers people keep coming up with to describe this debt. Plus I notice when the word 'estimate' appears in somebody's post.
Michael didn't sound like he was worried about his finances, according to what I posted above. And he was extremely aware of where his money was going, and how much of it was going there. He was an excellent businessman. He stated in that interview with Bashit, that MJ knew that MJ made BILLIONS for Sony. Yes, that's with a B. Where is it in the rulebook, that says, that just because someone is a music artist, that they don't know about finance?
It's not 'just business at the end of the day' when Mottolla says that an album 'just isn't very good' for no reason at all.
And a 'man' like Mottolla who calls himself the 'high road' man, but waits till MJ dies, in order to come up with a tell all book for money that personally continues the slander parade that has been aimed at Michael, all his life, is not only a liar and a deceiver, but a total non businessman. He is greedy for money..
30
« on: February 09, 2013, 07:08:41 PM »
Insiders like LTTW and SOTT Let the fans know on MJJFORUM what they were doing to Michael during the invincible era.
So he did everything he could for Invincible, which came out in October 30 yet promotion ended in mid February? No physical singles for the US singles either...
Suuuure......
Tommy actin all innocent puttin all the blame on MJ is so funny. There were other artists at that time (not just MJ) not happy with Tommy! MJ wouldn't just attack someone like that for no reason, the man isn't stupid he's been in the business far longer then most, since CHILDHOOD! Besides Sony eventually let Tommy go! So how good was he after all? As he makes himself sound lol. And Al Sharpton after supporting MJ quickly soon after goes on SNL making fun of MJ! Then after he dies his like MJ did this and that for blacks and kissin his ass! Then ends up by request by family to make a speech at his memorial full of fake ass friends everywhere! Amazing ain't it! <_<
They sabotaged invincible coz THEY wanted the Beatles cat!!!
Threatened is Michael singing abt mottola ' half of me you'll never be! '
The only reason TM said those things about Michael is the fact he was publicly humiliated and didn't expect an artist of such caliber was that outspoken and frank at that moment, he didn't like it and he's still resented because that mess caused he was fired from Sony.
|
Show Posts