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« on: May 16, 2012, 06:23:36 AM »
Here a clearer version:
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The words say:
MENTAL PROGRAM - THOUGHT OF THE SUBCONSCIOUS TO BECOME BEST
Dream: Greatest Actor, Singer, Dancer of all time and Entertainer, The Best.
Confidence
Faith
Persistent
Belief
Study the great of your field and become greater.
Know the secrets of your endeavor "The Method"
Mind Target: Control and Influence the subconscious
Best in your field
Be Scientist know the greats method
inside and out then perfect it.
Move Mountains
?? of from True Training: A never ending persistence to equal or exceed the performance in your minds eye
Hope that helps Sim!
I am glad you posted this. And amazed how deep his thinking could go.
That's the only way one can really succeed, Michael is a real BELIEVER in every possible aspect. In Moonwalk he says: "I believe we are powerful, but we don't use our minds to full capacity. Your mind is powerful enough to help you attain whatever you want."And then in that radio interview from 2001: "No matter what, the most powerful thing in the world is the human mind and prayer, and belief in yourself and confidence and perseverance.
No matter how many times you do it, you do it again until it's right.
And always believe in yourself.
And no matter who's around you that's being negative or thrusting negative energy at you, totally block it off. Because whatever you believe, you become."
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« on: May 16, 2012, 05:54:43 AM »
ps. @Gema: I think God is young and extremely good looking. The Bible says He created Adam in His own image and that He made him perfect. I don't think Adam was old and ugly and God doesn't grow old. :icon_e_wink: You mean it physically? As God is physically limited to a body, or that the essence of Adam is Godlike/ part of God?
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« on: May 16, 2012, 04:36:02 AM »
13:09 "I know he was taking painkillers because he got burnt on the top of his head, very painful."
25:25 "These were all terrible lies... that he might have been on painkillers, things like that."
:icon_eek:
No one picks up on this stuff?
I mean, they didn't even catch the Paris cries on cue (20:57) right after they show the tape (18:25) where... Paris cries on cue.
People are really, really gullible. This Piers guy is lost in space.
What would you expect him to ask? If her granddaughter has faked her crying when her father died?! P.S.: I felt a lot of pain at Mrs. Jackson... I don't see her faking. Is she such a good actress?
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« on: May 16, 2012, 04:04:09 AM »
I believe Souza also said she's not 100% sure, so maybe it's 90% or whatever... I'm only 0%. Does it matter so much the difference of a number? :icon_geek:
"My ideal MJ" (as Bec called my way of seeing Michael) doesn't match with Front.
No, not 90%. More like 99,9%. It would have been 100% if I didn't have that fear of failure, lol. I'd like to keep a tiny option open that I am completely nuts and not seeing very clearly. I do think I'm completely sane though, which is a wonder in itself, but I can't be 100% until I have seen a face without sunglasses.
So what DO you think Michael is like? And how can you say 0%? It should at least be 0.01%, otherwise you would imply that there is no way you can be wrong.
And what is so wrong about Front? I think he is charming, intelligent, assertive, funny and caring. That's pretty much the same as I have in mind when I think about how Michael would be. So I am very curious about your view.
@Front: need an inflatable donut already? I'll stop now, just had to make a point. Don't get used to it. :icon_e_wink:
There are many people charming, intelligent, funny in this world, Souza, and they are not all Michael Jackson. There are small details that I see them as mistakes, like that one when he wrote that angry post using the word "karma", that ensure me this is not MJ. About the 0%, I think I thought it that way, that there is no chance Front is Michael, yes... When I said if Front is Michael then I will quit being his fan, it was a way of expressing my certainty. Something tells me I will always be his fan. I trust my feeling in this case. We will see if I was wrong or not, hopefully. For the moment I will not talk about the way I see Michael, for the image I have about him is too pure to risk to be dirty by possibly ironical comments later. I prefer to keep it to myself for now. I hope you understand. ------------------------------------------------------- To the person on this forum who accused me of hypocrisy: I could accuse you of stupidity, but I won't do this. If I were a hypocrite as you say, I'd tell you how much I love your posts and how logical your connections are, then I'd do all the clapping that you are so good at. Stop speculating about the reasons I'm here and mind your own business.
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« on: May 14, 2012, 09:03:43 PM »
@veronica, I was going to answer all your points and started a post doing as much - but found I was just repeating myself over and over!
You seem very concerned about the well-being of the suffering non believing fans, and say they need some hope from MJ. How can he do this when, as I understand it, every mention of him being alive on those forums results in the poster being hounded off the site? For all you or I know, he could have tried this and suffered the same fate as any other hoaxy poster. What sort of hope can he give them when, as you say, they are full of hate because they think MJ was killed? Sadly they seem to have closed their minds to the concept of 'hope'. I will repeat it once more: all the 'hopeful' information is out there for everyone who wants it.
As for your thoughts on his comeback. You say you're losing faith in that as time passes, so my next question would have to be: what did you base your original belief on, and what has happened to change that?
What is really eating at you veronica? Is it that you're frustrated because you don't see what many of us do in Front? Is it that you're scared to believe? Is it that your belief in the hoax is based on wishful thinking rather than evidence and is therefore fragile and subject to constant doubts.
I really don't understand you - sometimes you seem to be attacking us and other times you seem vulnerable and scared. :icon_e_confused: Made me smile when you said you don't understand me cause I imagined you saying it like "WHO ARE YOU!?!! :computer-losy-smiley: " :icon_lol: I don't attack, but I'm not very wise either - when I feel an injustice is done to me or others, I tend to be harsh. Rarely I ignore. ------------------------- Curl, it's frustrating for me too that I have to explain the same thing several times because I see my message is not perceived as it is in my mind, but distorted. Probably it's my fault for the broken English. Or, even better, it's Michael’s, cause he’s not Romanian. :icon_e_smile: About hope, my question remains: why would MJ come here to give us hints it's him, when we already are the lucky ones to have hope, while the non-beLIEvers have... nothing? Seems selfish of us to think that we are so privileged by MJ's attention, while other long term fans who happen to be non-beLIEvers, don’t get the same treatment from MJ. And by this I don't mean MJ should go and tell them he's alive since it's a hoax, lol, but I also don't see plausible his presence here . I say this because in my mind Michael should be impartial re his base of fans. You know, like a leader he is... :-) I rather see him as watching the whole show unfolding, not being part of any side (beLIEvers, non), at least not as Michael Jackson or hinting it's him. What's eating me? I'm expressing my opinion just like you and others express yours. It's ok for you and others to say you believe Front is MJ, but unfair if I say he is not? I believe Souza also said she's not 100% sure, so maybe it's 90% or whatever... I'm only 0%. Does it matter so much the difference of a number? :icon_geek: "My ideal MJ" (as Bec called my way of seeing Michael) doesn't match with Front. My belief is mainly based on knowing Michael was always willing to do things never done before. He would definitely hoax his death! What makes my faith decrease as time goes by...? Looking on the internet and seeing forced connections being made, starting with Pearl's and ending with the most recent here: marijuana in the same sentence with "Heal the World". This kind of stuff makes me wonder if in my turn I'm just as ridiculous in my faith/ vision. I have bad hoax days and good hoax days. The hoax sometimes scares me cause I don't have control over what's going on; and also probably the thought that one day the illusion might end and I’ll find myself back in the place where MJ is no more again. Hm! @Bec, thank you much for fixing my post!
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« on: May 14, 2012, 11:33:44 AM »
The ironic part about it is, if Front is a fake, I have epicly failed at this game.
Haha.
Come on, Bec... your "it's too good to be true" includes an IF?! 
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« on: May 14, 2012, 11:19:39 AM »
Look what I did! I can't even post... :icon_pale:
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« on: May 14, 2012, 11:17:38 AM »
There is so much in your post Veronica that is contradictory. You think MJ is about love and caring and respect, yet you think he could be playing around anonymously with his fans on the internet? Is that loving, caring or respectful? Hmmm. I understand his need and right to communicate somehow in these circumstances, so the internet could be very useful to him. Playing or not playing with fans or non-fans, fulfilling his need of knowing and testing sorts. Nothing wrong here, nothing immoral. You think he's cruel for leaving his unbelieving fans 'alone'? How do you think they'd receive him if he went to their forums as 'himself' (which seems to be the only way you'll accept him)? Obviously this can't be done before the bam. :-) And the same goes for this forum. I don't see any reason for him to come on a forum and say he's MJ as long as he is the real MJ and still "dead". I don't see any reason to disclose it to a few hoaxers. Why would Michael do this? Just for fun? Sorry, this is not enough reason for me to understand. His clues, hints and the weird things that brought all of us here to this forum were and still are, freely available to everyone, fans and non-fans alike. It is not HIS fault that so many chose to ignore, or misinterpret, what we here saw and continue to see. Non-believer fans on other forums know about this site and why we're here and while I imagine there are many people in the world at large who have never questioned MJ's 'death', or indeed given it another thought after they first heard the news, I cannot believe there are many grieving MJ fans who have not come across something 'hoaxy' in the past 3 years. It was each of them's choice (subconsciously or knowingly) whether or not to pursue the idea. That's right, but the hints/clues/facts are there/here because of Michael, not Front. They were here way before Front. Am I wrong? I have every sympathy for those still suffering, having been there myself, but they have not been 'left alone' - they just haven't taken up on the offer that was given to them. We can't blame them for they believe in MJ's mother and daughter' tears before any clue of a hoax... And they are full of hate for they think MJ was killed. They are without any hope, they are the one who need a lil help from MJ, a lil hope, not us, the hoaxers. I guess a lot depends on what you think are the reasons for the hoax and if he plans to come back, when you're thinking about his 'cruelty'. Do you think he's coming back Veronica? Your answer might help me understand where you're coming from a bit more. I believe in this hoax together with a comeback. I want justice for him with him invincible, not after his death. I want him to take back what was taken from him, I want him to be respected and recognized as the wonderful person he always was. But then I fear of MJ's fear of growing old... what if all he wants with this hoax is to "retire" and remain a mystery for everyone what really happened? I admit, as time passes it's so damn hard for me to believe in his return... so damn hard!
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« on: May 14, 2012, 07:40:51 AM »
quote from veronicafall:
Michael respects and loves his fans a great deal and given that most of his fans are non-beLIEvers, fans that are still living terrible moments after June 25, I wouldn't think MJ's so cruel to recognize he was playing hide-and-seek with some beLIEvers on a forum while they were suffering and left "alone".
Do you really think Michael is cruel because he is posting on this forum, he did what he did to save his life, he didn't mean to be cruel or leave the fans alone. No, I didn't say Michael is cruel, please don't take it out of context. What I am curious about, is how they would react if it would come out that Front indeed IS Michael. What if? Will they suddenly forget that they didn't actually like his character? Would they indeed really stop 'being fans' or would they apologize and start kissing his ass? That to me would be interesting to see happening.
To me even hypothetical these choices here seem disregarded.
Assuming that Front is Michael (again, something I strongly doubt), a confirmation in this direction can only come from Michael himself, as Michael.
Michael respects and loves his fans a great deal and given that most of his fans are non-beLIEvers, fans that are still living terrible moments after June 25, I wouldn't think MJ's so cruel to recognize he was playing hide-and-seek with some beLIEvers on a forum while they were suffering and left "alone".
This "fact" alone would contradict what his fans KNOW Michael is all about - LOVE (caring, respect, etc.).
As I see it, Michael could be anywhere on the internet, playing any character he wants to, but in no way giving hints that he might be him.
As The Man himself sang; "some things in life they just don't wanna see" ... it's all here, on this and other hoax forums, for those fans to learn and realise that Michael isn't dead.
All the information is here, all out in the open - they are not left alone.....all they have to do is read and inform themselves. I don't think any fan really KNOWS exactly what MJ would do......they just assume they know.
The strongest confirmations that Front is Michael have come from Front himself:
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Adi, "they just assume they know" is available to me and you too. All our point of views are based on what we think we know about the man. Only him knows which is closer to the truth. "The strongest confirmations that Front is Michael have come from Front himself"... (not encouraging!) These are confirmations? :-) Adi, that hand of Michael's can be from anywhere - ex. a video with a concert, stop frame at any moment and here you have it. That handwriting... did an expert in handwriting confirmed this belongs to MJ?! A T-shit with Amsterdam proves what? Any thin white man can have those biceps.
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« on: May 14, 2012, 06:42:08 AM »
What I am curious about, is how they would react if it would come out that Front indeed IS Michael. What if? Will they suddenly forget that they didn't actually like his character? Would they indeed really stop 'being fans' or would they apologize and start kissing his ass? That to me would be interesting to see happening. To me even hypothetical these choices here seem disregarded. Assuming that Front is Michael (again, something I strongly doubt), a confirmation in this direction can only come from Michael himself, as Michael. Michael respects and loves his fans a great deal and given that most of his fans are non-beLIEvers, fans that are still living terrible moments after June 25, I wouldn't think MJ's so cruel to recognize he was playing hide-and-seek with some beLIEvers on a forum while they were suffering and left "alone". This "fact" alone would contradict what his fans KNOW Michael is all about - LOVE (caring, respect, etc.). As I see it, Michael could be anywhere on the internet, playing any character he wants to, but in no way giving hints that he might be him.
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« on: May 10, 2012, 10:49:40 PM »
Yes, that's what we believe. The only doubt I personally have is that it's too good to be true. Insecurity and all.
I presume you think we are wrong? I am open to this discussion, I'd love to have an outside point of view, should you be inclined to indulge me. Please, if you would.
This time I'm going to keep the negativity re Front as Michael to myself, my opinion didn't change. I'm not the right person to say who's right or wrong on this. Only time is impartial, and maybe it will tell us the truth one day... My third eye sees him. :affraid:
Seriously though... that's my feeling.
:icon_e_smile: I'm glad you feel safe in your feeling...
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« on: May 10, 2012, 08:48:51 PM »
Ginafelalalalala:
The second one must be a dummy, it's too skinny.
Thirdeye:
A dummy? oh dear! poor Michael !
Hello? Front M are you around?... IS THE GUY IN THE T-SHIRT MICHAEL?
:suspect:
Who you callin' a dummy?
ya better watch it….someone might fly outta his chair and snap like an Alabama ma-ma snaps peas on her back porch.
:icon_twisted:
:icon_lol:
:bearhug:
pureL.O.V.E.:
I wish you lifted the camera higher, so we could see your lips. :icon_geek:
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Souza: Nice front Front. :icon_e_wink:
Where's that bodypaint?
Body paint ? ? ? ?
you must be HAMMERED on some kinda moonshine-ish.
BAM Sou-zam!
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B-ottled
A-msterdam
M-ojo
:LolLolLolLol:
... so, guys, THIS is THE Michael Joe J, as I am Veronica C - THE real person? THIS is what you are trying to say, and even more than saying it, you BELIEVE it? I honestly wanna know your true belief re this. Are you 100% sure Front is Michael, or you have doubts?
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« on: May 09, 2012, 01:45:23 AM »
Seems the first re-issue single will be "I just can't stop loving you" in June (You are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login), and the cd will include a a bonus track called "Don't be messin' round". Snippet: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aY55u-c0B_Q[/youtube]
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« on: May 06, 2012, 04:31:06 AM »
@Veronicafall
Veronica, fall if you want to, but no need to fall such low.
"MAAAN", you have NOTHING to preach me about. The essential difference between us is that I don't need a new identity for each type of behavior. THIS is how low YOU can go. ---------------------------------------------------------- @Souza, 1st - this is how it feels when someone gets bogus acusations because the accuser is too lazy to find the truth herself, and speaks from other's narrow "research"; 2nd - I wanted to be sure you won't FOOLISHLY call me a "kiss asser" never again. As an Admin, you should have known that being a SILLY CHEERLEADER is not my quality. Please, accept my apologies for the injustice I have done to you. And this is NOT an ass kissing! Have a great Sunday all!
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« on: May 05, 2012, 04:35:19 PM »
@pikachu: You just told me I have a big ego :WTF:?? Damn, you are worse than my husband :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
Ok I stop here. It's really not the place to continue this.
Oh, @pikachu is a man?! Then why is "he" kissing Souza's lesbian (as I've read from the beLIEvers) ass on this forum? Maybe because this is how a smart MAN with no ego acts... LMAO P.S>: couldn't help myself not comment this. What a comeback, huh! :icon_lol:
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