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« on: April 02, 2012, 10:57:36 AM »
@bec
Actually, back was posting before tHeOrY or Vision (11-18-09). He posted three times on 10-24-009 in defense of Katherine, and three times on 10-25-09, twice in defense of Katherine, once in defense of Jackie. I have eight posts from 11-5-09, some about Katherine, some about Frank Dileo, and he goes on like this for a few days. He blasted Arnie Klein on 11-6-09.
I had a friend who followed back at MJJC for a few years. Her thinking was that his defense of Katherine was too revealing – he'd begun getting messages from members who thought he was Michael, so posted tHeOrY as an attempt to both explain and deflect. It depends on how the reader interprets the post, literally or more deeply.
What speaks volumes to me is the anger at Chandler, but not a word about Murray, not a word of grief or sorrow for Michael's death. The original tHeOrY thread is still at MJJC and open to public viewing, in the section called Controversy. You can see that no one knew what to make of it, so he came back 3 days later, on 11-21-09, to post this:
Confusion from issues of perplexity often leads to pointless derision.......
It is always wise to use time prudently.
Never expend it on confusion.......
Try harder to understand.
Keep WATCHIN'.......
To me, this confirms my belief that the tHeOrY was meant to tell us why he did what he did, and we need to work at understanding. The first “clue” in tHeOrY is that he “confused” Luke 1:36 and Luke 1:26. That was no mistake, imo.
I spent months “trying harder to understand”, interpreting each line of this post. If back is Michael, if this was a staged death, I think tHeOrY is actually more important than his pre-death posts and warrants close examination. Later I'll post my interpretation for anyone who wants to read it, discuss it or pick it apart . I'd like to see how others interpret this post.
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« on: April 01, 2012, 07:29:38 PM »
@ pikachu Sorry to keep you waiting!  btw, bec and Souza, posting back's posts like this was a brilliant idea – belated thanks for that. Your idea about the Fibonacci numbers got me thinking; so I'm just musing “out loud” here: I always want to know what is behind numbers, what do they mean? My first thought was the obvious – DaVinci Code, Merovingian Royalty, Cathars... all that stuff. Anyone who's read The Jesus Papers and The Passover Plot (both nonfiction) will know where I'm going with that. But when searching on Fibonacci the first site I chose says the numbers came from a study of rabbits. You are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login The misuse of propofol is known as “dancing with the White Rabbit”. DELETE The White Rabbit is also in 2 of the paintings Michael bought for his kids just before he left, and the White Rabbit is always late (as is MJ, we are told) and he's always looking at his watch, marking time – just as back tells us to do in many of his posts. All those big clocks at Neverland... This demonstrates how the Fibonacci series is developed You are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login So, is it possible that the fact that back's numbers, written as single digits, add up to 36 (exact number of months between original post and “death”) combined with the apparent use of a Fibonacci-type sequence, is meant to be a key to figuring something out? Could they be the key to marking time? Did he give us a clock? If so, does that clock apply to time after June 25, 2009? I don't want to be repetitive but this may apply here – on 10-26-2006 back posted “the theory of 7 officially begins”. 972 days later (sum of his numbers) was June 24, 2009, Michael's last day as King of Pop. back talks about time, moments, earth's axis, spinning globes... it all reminded me of New Earth Time, or something like it – back's own timetable with it's own device for measuring time? New Earth Time – click the little red arrows to go thru the pages, if you're interested You are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login I need to think about this some more..... @ mindseye I want to go over your post again when I have more time. It sounds like you're into astronomy? I've tried to use back's numbers as coordinates of some kind, but never got anywhere. Michael has said he spent a lot of time looking at the night sky. From wikipedia: All the stars that can be seen in the night sky are part of the Milky Way galaxy, but for the purposes of the astronomical activity of observing the celestial sphere the term "Milky Way" is limited to the hazy band of white light arching around the entire night sky. Views of the Milky Way differ depending on where the viewer is, of course.
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« on: April 01, 2012, 12:56:09 PM »
@ mindseye I like your “eye of the storm” idea, but back's signature pic is actually of a galaxy. I posted some info on that photo and “green galaxies” in the old back thread, but you can see both back's galaxy pic (pg 12) and the galaxy used on the Victory album (pg 2) here You are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login I've found some additional info that's interesting - From page 500 of Taraborelli's book, MJs condo in Century City was at 1101 Galaxy Way, #2247. While MJ had friends and associates to the condo, the press and general public didn't know where it was - he called it "the hideout". Now this has to be coincidence. As you know, back's numbers 62 76 813 21 add up to 972 and 9+7+2=18. Take the condo address - 1101 + 2247 = 3348 and 3+3+4+8=18. “I am the galaxy, the void of space in the Milky Way” from Are You Listening in Dancing the Dream. I am the galaxy Are you listening? Kind of says it all, doesn't it? This stuff can drive you crazy... Propofol = “milk”...... Galaxy Way was MJs “hideout”...... Milky Way...... Prince and Paris laughing about Snickers candy on Oprah, made by the same co. as Milky Way bars...... Milky Way slide at memorial... memorial 7-7-2009 (9-2=7 so 777) Will dated 7-7-2002, + 7 years is memorial. Back's #s = 972.... 7-7-2002 and 7-7-2009.....MJ a fan of Star Wars, “In a galaxy far, far away...” @ voiceforthesilent Hi! What you say about that TV show is a trip! If we Keep Watchin, there's no telling what we might see.
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« on: March 28, 2012, 12:53:53 PM »
I've been debating about posting this - I haven't been here in a long time, but I know there are members here just as obsessed with, even haunted by, back's posts as I am. It is with them I want to share something.
I hadn't thought about back's numbers in months, but a few nights ago something I was watching on TV gave me an idea. I had always worked with back's numbers as he wrote them – 62 76 813 21 – but in order to try my idea I wrote them in a column of single digits. The idea didn't pan out, but I noticed something:
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36 36 months = 3 years, and back first posted these numbers on June 25, 2006 - exactly 3 years before Michael “died”. Could it really be that simple? It's so elegant, so genius, dare I say “so Michael”?
If this is really all back meant with those numbers, it's hilarious! People like me have spent years trying to assign some deep meaning to them, or making them do complex mathematical tricks. Can it be coincidence that they equal 36, the exact number of months between posting and “death”?
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« on: September 14, 2011, 10:43:51 AM »
@bec
In my analysis of Front's posts I said I thought his rants against imposters making predictions and “using Michael Jackson's fans as puppets” was aimed at TS, and that that could be a reason Front had appeared here at this forum. As I stated in that analysis, I was putting down my understanding of Front's meaning, not my own thoughts.
My opinion of TS is partially uneducated, that's true – I've read several of his posts, both old and new, and I'll just say he didn't spark my interest. That's what I meant when I said I'm not interested in him one way or the other.
I was surprised by the 9/11 redirect because 2 or 3 weeks ago I googled thisisalsoit.com and it was for sale. It seemed a strange coincidence if that particular group purchased the site.
It doesn't matter. As Michael said, “I don't want to say anymore. I'm done.”
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« on: September 14, 2011, 01:48:23 AM »
Did anyone else click the TIAI link in bec's post? Because when I did, I got “Pilots for 9/11 Truth”You are not allowed to view links.
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« on: September 13, 2011, 02:42:05 PM »
@ Front
I admit, you had me (with reservations) for a while. However it was while examining your posts so closely that you started to lose me. Your childish, rather feminine sounding response to French Braid was a BAM! you didn't expect, wasn't it? You lost a portion of your audience. Maybe if you hadn't defended this forum so much and just stood up for yourself you would have sounded more genuine. The 3 posts you've made since then are just sad – you are trying too hard. You were right about one thing, tho' – my desire to understand back's writing and what has happened to Michael Jackson did indeed come from my heart.
Does it matter who Front is? Of course it does! For one thing, he says he is back in his older posts and frequently implies that he and back are and were Michael. How can it not matter who he is? He is either a troll, a fraud with some creepy agenda or legit. Reading his posts with mouth agape, taking each word to heart without knowing who he is or what he's up to is (dangerous, stupid, pointless, brainwashing, etc. Take your pick). Should something occur that proves Front's legitimacy I'll be the first to apologize, but I can't imagine what that would be.
Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
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« on: September 12, 2011, 01:22:57 PM »
As I read thru' the most recent pages, I see questions directed at me about French Braid. While that is understandable, I won't talk about her behind her back. We aren't “forum buddies”, we talk several times a week and that isn't going to stop.
I must say I am disappointed that Front chose to react to French Braid's outburst rather than my attempts to understand him – or anyone's attempts to understand him. By that time she had already been banned, so what was the point? I understand why Souza banned her, but the glee with which some members responded to her banishment was just plain ugly. French Braid made some valid points in her admittedly sarcastic post, and they have been completely ignored. That's too bad.
One thing I will say about French Braid – if you knew the truth, you'd know how ironic Front's assertion of tabloid employment is. I'll wager that she was the only member here to have been the target of tabloids. Let me repeat that – she has been the target of tabloids. Think about that for a minute.....
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« on: September 11, 2011, 03:07:05 AM »
@scorpionchick
I know exactly what you mean.
My interpretations are my understanding of Front's words, and not necessarily what I think. Front does declare a bit too openly that Michael will return, only to say a month later that “they” are watchin'. That makes me wonder if Front really is back and is using this forum – and us – for some purpose. If so, stating that might have blown it but he's posting on a thread originally meant to study back. Dissecting his (Front's) posts should have been expected.
I've studied back for over a year, I think I understand him, but I can't imitate him. I can't think of a reason for someone to put the effort required into copying such a complex and unique writing style just to fool people. Front's spelling a grammar errors are consistent with back's, as are his use of some of back's pet phrases .
So, as I told Front a while ago, I will proceed as tho' he's the same person who posted as back at MJJC – if he turns out to be a fake then shame on him. I know that's not much of an answer, but it's the best I can do at this point. Since several of Front's early posts say skepticism combined with respect is a good thing, it seems he understands our dilemma.
Btw – I don't think he sounds mean, I think he's funny! Maybe sarcasm doesn't translate?
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« on: September 11, 2011, 01:23:45 AM »
I have no idea why the beginning of my previous post is in larger font - I write in Word and copy/past here and sometimes that happens, I don't know why but I'm not "yelling" at anyone. My first "interpretation" post wasn't meant to be in large font either.....
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« on: September 11, 2011, 01:20:38 AM »
Holy crap! What is happening here? While I was trying to understand Front's posts it looks like war broke out. If my sharing my thoughts caused this, that was NOT my intent. It's true, French Braid and I are friends, she told me to have a look at Front and that's why I'm here. This is what I worked on today, but if differing points of view are going to cause this kind of thing to erupt I'll keep the rest of my thoughts to myself. Personally, I'm not interested in TS one way or the other, and what I posted about Front/TS was just a possibility that occurred to me. I like to explore all the options, even when it makes me re-think my own position. Anyway...... This pics up where my last post interpreting Front left off. I appreciate feedback, I don't want to be so married to my own observations that I miss something. It feels kind of funny posting this knowing Front might read it – if you have anything to say, Front, I'm all ears! 14th post, reply#957 he who dares to osCillate will most certainly mEEt with fAte the Plan will not be sHaKen until it is TIme to aWakeN p.s. ____ _______ Factoring in his preceding posts, I think Front is saying we should recognize him by now, he's told us who he is. Whether we do or not, whether we believe him or not, his plan is on track and we should Keep Watchin'. I put the capitalized letters into an anagram finder and it came up with “Waken Nice”. I doubt that's Front's point, I just thought it was funny. 15th post, reply #991 Perspective, I shall not jest, is the REAL acid test. Re: 06/25/09 post…interpretation is KEY. Stated a million times and a million times again…do not take my words (here or elsewhere) as conclusive "evidence". The proof will manifest itself in TIME. They are merely words---how each individual chooses to interpret them is entirely up to said individual(s). Regardless of one's opinions and "ASS"umptions of yours truly---well, I'll be unequivocally up-"Front"---my feelings will not be hurt. ![]() “ Re: 06/25/09 post…interpretation is KEY” If Front posted something on 6-25-09 it wasn't here, so he must mean interpretation of events after 6-25-09. Of course, interpretation of those events depends on your perspective. Regardless of anyone's interpretation, it is what it is (whatever it is), and it will be obvious at some point (I hope so!). Whether we think he's back, MJ or someone else doesn't matter to him. REAL KEY TIME ASS …..... ASS TIME KEY REAL …... ASS KEY REAL TIME…. TIME KEY REAL ASS …. Oh never mind …. 16th post, reply#1012 This one sounds like he's talking about MJJC to me. He's right – for a place that supposedly honors Michael Jackson it is full of ignorant, argumentative, even hateful “fans” who seem to feel they own him. That crowd will fight about anything, and the fighting gets nasty, that's why I left. I can see why Front would choose this forum, that behavior isn't tolerated here. 17th post, #1042 This is Front's version of “the sun will rise”, and I compared it to back's version a while ago. At the risk of being annoying I'm going to re-post what I wrote then with some additional thoughts, because I still think it applies. I'm leaving the numbers out of it. Beginning w/ Front: The sun will rise again, bigger and brighter, emblazoned in gold…like a beacon whose physical existence was provisionally "extinguished"…but never forgotten. Those "flames" are the heart of the passionate inferno of resurgence that awaits. Some things are not meant to be ascertained but to be envisaged through delicate whispers. Just as the Earth is sure to rotate on its axis, the resurrection of a true King will indeed proclaim Hi(s)Story…and the truth shall be heard in ALL corners of the Earth. Momentarily, the world will quake, for there will be a cosmic shift in "dogma". Time is of the essence, but patience is a viture in [r]evolutionary milestones. Until then, from beyond the gates of that KINGdom----> whispers shall be heard……………. Now back: "tHE SUN RISES amidst the clouds, breaking the thickest of the wild blue yonder's momentary scab. It's a brighter day once the scab fickles and dissapates to matter. As the earth continues its' axis rotation, day to night, night to day, the human beings of said planet witness the continuance of the trance we call time. Time is of the essence, so they say. Time is the checkmate of life. Forever spinning in this globe-cast of many different elements, there comes a tIME when time itself takes a backseat to the mOMENT. We, as intelligent beings, decipher and choose when to allow the moment to suspend time. As with the Killuminatti, iN tHEORY, 72 hours previous the logic of a mOment etched within a 7 day theory, is possible, but only tIme will tell.Some things aren't meant for easy translation. But over tIme, it's possible to clearly see the light, if the mOMENT warrants. As the world turns and the clocks spin infinitely, tick tock tick tock, kEEP track of time and please kEEP WATCHIN'.............. Front: “the sun” can be a brighter day, but seems to me to mean Michael himself. Michael was “provisionally “extinguished” “ on 6-25-09. If we thought otherwise, we wouldn't be here. He will never be forgotten. It's also possible that “like a beacon whose physical existence was provisionally "extinguished"…but never forgotten. “ means he is dead but some person or group is working to clear his name. If that's the case tho', I wonder why they are spending so much time “preaching to the choir”? Provisionally: temporarily, conditionally; provided or serving only for the time being. So if Michael's “physical existence was provisionally extinguished” we are on the right track! I think there are people here whose 1st language is not English, so resurgence is 1) a rising again into life, activity, or prominence or 2) a continuing after interruption; a renewal. So it seems Michael will be back, or is waiting for something to happen before he can come back. “resurrection of a true King will indeed proclaim Hi(s)Story” indicates something will confirm Michael's innocence and the guilt of Sneddon, Chandler, etc. as MJ sang about on the HIStory album. (Arvisos too, I hope – a family of sociopaths.) His Story is that he is an innocent man who was used and abused by liars and a crooked D.A. Sneddon has a well documented history of using his office to bludgeon people. I've often wondered if Brooks Firestone was one of Sned's puppet masters, but that's way off topic. “Resurrection of a true King” could mean Michael's reputation will be resurrected, but if that's what is meant all this cryptic drama really isn't necessary. “Some things are not meant to be ascertained” ( learned with certainty or assurance) Faith, we gotta have faith. “envisaged through delicate whispers” beLIEvers aren't exactly delicate, but there are professionals in fields of medicine and law enforcement who think Michael is alive based on fact. For obvious reasons, they are “delicate” about to whom they whisper. I think the rest basically says the “shift in “dogma” is the general public finally seeing beyond the talent and the headlines, seeing MJ as a human being. A compassionate, generous, innocent human being. If this “truth shall be heard in ALL corners of the Earth” and “the world will quake”, it seems something dramatic and inarguable will happen. Of course, MJ returning from the dead would accomplish that, but I'm of the opinion MJ did this for survival. If he's to return, something significant has been accomplished. If “time is of the essence” and “patience is a virtue” someone is hustling to accomplish something, and we just have to wait. I'm not going to speculate on what that could be, but the names Jordan and Gavin come to mind. back's tHeOrY or Vision invited Jordan to come forward via Tom Messereau. Gavin may be a lost cause. From back's tHeOrY: But I'm of the vision that this stain too shall be removed in due course. In fact, I have intuition that the subject of the first narrative has already, years ago, righted that wrong behind the scenes. For that individual or even those of his acquaintance, who are ambivalent about the “open” approach & legalities, these initials (T-M) are your "key". Trust ME! back: Since everyone here has probably analyzed this for themselves, I'll be brief. back has devised a way to stage his death, inspired by Tupac's Seven Day Theory and what some believe happened. That could include witness protection or not, depending on what you think was happening in Michael's life at the time. Time and timing are crucial to what is happening or going to happen. This part, “As the world turns and the clocks spin infinitely, tick tock tick tock, kEEP track of time and please kEEP WATCHIN'..... “ still makes me wonder if time zones factored in, and could that be the “one day of simmering” that pops up now and then? If that was the case, does that apply to Front as well? “As with the Killuminatti, iN tHEORY, 72 hours previous the logic of a mOment etched within a 7 day theory, is possible, but only tIme will tell.” This always give me the vague feeling it identifies something that distinguishes back's theory from Tupac's....only time will tell if it works? Only “I” will tell? Reading Front's sun post as a sequel to this one, is it possible that whatever that crucial difference is worked, or is about to? Is he telling us now? 19 th post, reply #1246 This and the one that precedes it (not listed here) are in response to members who are suspicious of Front. This is where he first posted his numbers: “Remember these numbers---if you don't, your understanding of the 7DT will be irretrievable and you will be perpetually "BAM"-boozled as you try to comprehend events and the why's, when's, how's, etc. etc. etc. 28…17…60…37 tuck them away in a dark, safe place in the BACK of your memory banks. Jun 11 2011 post + 60 days (+1 day of Simmering), resurrect them----> to the FRONT. “ He later changes 60 to 80, then uses the numbers as the sum of some dates. Seemed like a whole lot o' nuthin' to me at the time, that or a distraction. Aug 11 came and he posted the NIN video, and there is an applicable message in the song and album titles as well as the lyrics. Plus someone found that ARG info and an interview that confirmed MJ likes NIN. All good stuff, but what about the numbers? Did we miss something by not “resurrecting” them? I tried stopping the NIN vid at 28 seconds, 17 seconds etc but that got me nowhere. I still wonder if the numbers were just busy work, a distraction, or if something went right over my head. 20 th post, reply#1255 He quotes his previous post, adding: “UGH. third number should be 80…NOT 60. I hit the wrong damn key. It's been corrected in my original post---see above. I shall not jest…the numbers will make sense on the 777th day from "Lights Out".” Since everyone already knew the date of the 777 th day from 6-25-09, posting those numbers as the sum of dates seems kind of pointless, tho' he did end up showing us how the arithmetic works. Either he took pity on us, or these numbers were a red herring – or I'm missing something. 21 st post, reply #1275 More arithmetic, ending with: “p.s.s. 777th day from "Lights Out"...dates/numbers will shed tremendous "BACK"light, and he who seeks understanding shall receive it.” Backlight sheds dim light on the subject, even creates a sillouhette. Taken literally, I'd think “tremendous backlight” would blind the audience, assuming they are facing the subject being lit from behind – they'd be looking into the light. Looking into bright light, unable to see the subject that's in front (or Front)of them? Anyway...... 22 nd post, reply#1278 “Past, present & future Hi(s)Story shall be told dates, events, numbers intertwine and whispers shall unfold………. Voyage to continue @ Aug 10 2011 (+1 day of Simmering)----> Aug 11 (777th day from Lights Out)” Now he's saying the “voyage will continue” on Aug 11. No offense Front, but I can't tell if you're just screwing around here, if something was meant to happen but didn't. or what. This was posted 6 ¾ hours after the previous post, which claimed “ tremendous "BACK"light” would be shed. Looking at these now I wonder if something fell thru'? He continues: A vision, Aug 25 2006 Lights out, Jun 25 2009 Illumination, Jun 11 2011 Voyage continues, Aug 10 2011 Excluding (1 day of "simmering") 8-25-2006 6-25-2009 6-11-2011 8-10-2011 ______________ 28-71-80-37 All this 777 th day, shedding “Back”light must have meant more than “voyage continues” at some point. That or I smell fish, as in red herring. This post ends: “tHE sun begInS to dawn again on the sEven day tHEoRy……………… p.s. That's all the light to be shed for now. When the sun rises, in order to appreciate its breathtaking existence, we must not look directly at it; we must not take it all in at once but hue by hue. Until…..its vibrancy is revealed subtlety---ray by ray.” As I look at this now, it sounds a bit like my earlier babbling about backlight. In my response to this post at the time it was written, I kept thinking of the part of tHeOrY that says “ I could always "see" a Silhouette on a Grand-stage, ...” but maybe I'm hung up on the imagery. Now I can't help seeing “HE IS E HER......HE IS HERE”??? 23 rd post, reply #1300 In response to a couple of members frustrated with the numbers and suspicious of Front: “WTF ![]() Don't you get it! uhmmm…do you SEE the dates? Numbers can quite possibly be manipulated, sure…but History and dates CANNOT. There is a REASON why certain events have/do/will take place on particular dates. When you examine the numbers in the DATE columns and execute said numbers, they CLEARLY form----> 28…71…80…37 People, let's keep our heads and not get our briefs/boxers/drawers/panties in a twist. Wait for it...............” It's hard for me to accept that the significance of Aug 11 was that Front posted a video and “the voyage continues”. The voyage continues every day, so what was with all this build-up? What are our choices here? 1) Something meant to happen on Aug 11 didn't, so the NIN vid was posted instead. 2) Something happened on Aug 11 and we missed it – no one said it would happen here. 3) There is more to be gleaned from the NIN vid that connects to the numbers. 4) Someone is being deliberately misled. 5) We're being punk'd. 24 th post, reply #1346 (with out the pics) “Speculate and conspire as you may. Allow me to reiterate…..do not take my words/numbers/dates as conclusive evidence. It's apparent that you don't---and that's a positive. The PROOF will manifest itself upon the proclamation of his return and during this journey together. You'll see. Regardless of "ASS"umptions, I wish you all well…but I will NOT tolerate another attempt at a mentality beating on a board. Had enough of that "Back" then.” Many of us were suspicious of Front at this time and there was some angry taunting and mocking going on. What he says about back's treatment at other boards is true from what I've been told. People thought he was weird, arrogant, a phony, trying to scare people. He faded from from some boards but seemed to be OK at MJJC, most of the time, anyway. That's all I've got for now – any thoughts, observations etc are more than welcome!
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« on: September 10, 2011, 12:12:29 AM »
This post comes with a disclaimer. At a friend's suggestion I was going thru' Front's posts line by line, as I did previously with back, and jotting down notes. Since the discussion is going that way I thought I'd share. I'm aware that my interpretation of some of Front's posts may anger some members and that is not my intention. I am stating my honest understanding of Front's words and I do not mean to criticize anyone who thinks differently. 1st post, reply #809 “ He never left” = didn't die“ ....makes the world his stage...on an ILLusional Front.” MJ has staged this “death”. Front is part of that illusion.“ bad health? I don't think so”. Don't believe the AR or any reports about bad health. 2nd post, reply #818 Basically explains Of a tHeOrY Or Vision.The “Facts vs. ILLusion” part is saying the same thing as back's “try harder to understand” post of 11-21-09. The “TRUTH” section seems to refrence back's use of “future HIStory books” and implies that Michael is indeed fighting some entity. While this passage (Daniel 10:21) sounds like he's doing it all alone that cannot be the case. It also implies that only Michael will be able to tell us the truth. A VISION Says flat out there will be a time Michael stands up (Daniel 12:1), that Michael is watching and something is going to happen -”at that time there will be trouble”. Things will get worse before they get better – the trial? His version has been edited to be specific, this is all of Daniel 12:1: 1 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. deLIVErance He says he's quoting Jude 9, when I search that I get Jude 1:9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” Again, he has edited to be specific, which makes it more meaningful imo. He says he's “contending with evil” and “ ...dared not bring against him a reviling accusation” which is a direct reflection of the part of tHeOrY that invites Jordan to tell the truth thru' Tom Messereau. I think he wants deliverance from the taint of suspicion, from the hatred of the ignorant, that has followed him since 1993 and got worse in 2003. REVELATION <<<<<< justice prevails Says it all – if the truth comes out, irrefutably, we will see him again. "War broke out in heaven….Michael and his angels fought with the dragons and his angels ---but they did NOT prevail…" ---Revelation 12:7-8 This part says to me the fact that full acquittal in 2005 did not vindicate him must be dealt with. “ They say History repeats itself; it's already written.” This could be about Jordan again. According to TM Jordan told friends that MJ never touched him, that he hated his parents for what they made him do. The friends were ready and willing to testify in 2005 but Jordan ran – without him it was hearsay and not allowed. Now Evan is conveniently dead (remember his attack on Jordan w/ a 12 ½ lb weight?), and in tHeOrY back promises no legal ramifications if Jordan will come clean via TM. "We're takin' over, we have the TRUTH
This IS the Mission." ----- The Greatest (on Hiatus) One of the reasons for this “death” is to somehow clear Michael's name, and “on Hiatus” isn't dead! Michael is out to silence the “pedo” crap once and for all. If he can, we will see him. If he can't, we won't. I would bet the death threats resumed once he returned to America, so that could be a reason for LE involvement. Just look what happened to Senator Giffords and her staff last year – nothing's scarier than a self righteous American w/ a gun. (I am American, no offense to my sane countrymen meant) You are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login 3rd post, reply #820 First we have this reply to the 2nd Front post Ooh, I got one, too. ![]() . By knowing what you have been watching left and right, you'll know the difference between Front and Back. ![]() Then Front says: You better!
One cube in a room…....
It has a Front, Back, sides, top and bottom.
All surfaces are of the same entity and/or purpose.
Which one exists?
Philosophically speaking, most people will say whatever side it is they are SEEing.
Perspective……. it's all relative! It seems clear to me that Front is the cube, and Front is Back. Front/Back could be MJ or could be MJ and others with a single purpose. Whether people can “SEE” that or not depends on their impression of MJ. Those resistant to accepting Back/Front as MJ are those stuck on MJs public persona. They don't “SEE” the other sides of this cube – the other sides of this man; they don't “see the man you never knew”. 4th post, reply #832 “ The beginning always gives way to an end.
The end always gives way to a beginning.” Either “death” was the beginning of whatever is currently underway, or whatever is underway has entered a new phase.
“Scientists tell us that dark matter exists, but they cannot SEE it. They have admitted that they can't find 90 percent of the Universe! We cannot see or touch it; its existence is IMPLIED ---through findings/"evidence". “ We can't see MJ, but if we know where and how to look, if we understand what we are seeing, we can tell he's out there, somewhere. “ Prophets have walked among us pre-June 25 and continue to walk among us --- physically in the flesh OR....” and “.... UNdying determination...” Says he's alive to me. “ Throughout the History of time, there has been an ongoing battle between GOOD and EVIL. Prophets have walked among us pre-June 25 and continue to walk among us --- physically in the flesh OR implied through Faith. They walk the face of the Earth with a message --- Love for all human-kind….. and deLIVErance; the common denominator of Prophetic messages.
“The world listened when Michael fought his battles with UNdying determination ---and JUSTICE prevailed. And they listened to his message. BUt they did NOT listen close enough! SOME people only "heard" (half truths)…… while others truly "listened" (Truth!) ---- they got the whole enchilada.
“That battle is still being fought……just on a different layer of the "enchilada".
“Believing and knowing are two different things. Don't take my word as conclusive evidence. The proof will be provided in future HIStory……….” I think this reiterates that being found “not guilty” was not good enough, it left doubt, the “maybe not Gavin but he molested somebody”, the “where there's smoke there's fire” mindset. We know the “HIStory, past, present and future, book one” album is about the Chandler ordeal. It was MJ having his say in a way that didn't violate the settlement agreement. The gag order stifled his side during Arviso, tho' Sneddon got around that by hiring Tellum, the PR firm that “leaked” Sned's side of things. This time it will take more than an album, this staged death is “Book II”, or the “future HIStory book” that will set the record straight. MJ wants deLIVErance from the black cloud of suspicion that's hung over him since 1993. 5th post, reply #842 "The TRUTH is a beautiful and terrible thing, and should therefore be treated with caution." ---HP He's warning people that there are aspects of this staged death that may be hard to deal with, like the probability of a terminal patient dying at Carolwood. Until one of us stages our death as an act of survival we cannot say what MJ would or wouldn't do. Euthanasia can be a kindness, especially if it allows someone in bad financial shape to leave loved ones well cared for. Bankruptcy due to health care costs is epidemic in America – both for patients who survive and for those left to pay the bills after a family member dies of a long illness. Remember the EMTs, medical professionals, saying they thought MJ was a hospice patient? Medical definition of Hospice care: Hospice care: Care designed to give supportive care to people in the final phase of a terminal illness and focus on comfort and quality of life, rather than cure. The goal is to enable patients to be comfortable and free of pain, so that they live each day as fully as possible. Aggressive methods of pain control may be used. Hospice programs generally are home-based. This does not describe the man we see in TII. 6th post, reply #847 Front is responding to this: I want the truth so bad.....but at the same time I'm aware when the truth will be revealed - the magic will be over.
He says: The magic will be over??? Au contraire, my friend. This is just the beginning. Perhaps a shift on perspective is needed.
In the words of Michael Jackson --- "The best is yet to come".
Bis zum ende…….. Seems self-explanatory to me. 7th post, reply#850 Front is responding to this, posted 3 weeks before the 2nd anniversary of the “death”: come back Michael… come back. I’m slowly drowning and fighting to stay above water. Somebody please hold my hand. It’s so hard and frustrating coming back to June 25th again. I don’t like the way it makes me feel ![]() Front says: stay strong. We are all holding hands……..till the end ---or rather, the beginning.
06/25/09 ---- the End as we know it.
xx/xx/xx ----- a New Beginning.
Stay positive. Mr. Nappy Head will not let his fans down. Do posts like the one above give Front pangs of guilt? “Mr Nappy Head” seems to be MJ in this context, unless he's saying “Mr Nappy Head won't let MJs fans down”. Since he knows full well that many think he's MJ that isn't true, misleading them is definitely a “let down”. What could constitute a “New Beginning” if MJ is dead? Clearing his name? No, that is not a new beginning that is righting a wrong. This begins the periodic refrences to himself as Black that prompted me to post that bit about the vitiligo treatment. We all know MJ is Black, so why bring it up? If Front is not MJ, why tell us he's Black (and strongly, repeatedly suggest that he is MJ)? 8th post, reply #854 Front is responding to criticism of his use of “Nappy Head”: Bleu, no I meant Nappy Head!
Starchild, yes I'm aware of the term. Like many phrases, it depends on how it's used. Being a Black American myself, I have called my fellow Black Americans "nappy". And vice versa. If you're doing it in a loving, playful, friendly way, that totally changes the context of it. The "nappy-headed hos" reference is insulting because of the WAY it was used.
I would never use that term in a derogatory way. And I am by FAR a racist. I hope I have cleared this up.
I am "Nappy" today myself! ------> ![]()
PEACE! --- to Nappy Heads and NON-Nappy Heads alike! OK, he obviously means he is far from being racist, not that he is “by far a racist”. There should be an Afro emoticon after the arrow that follows “myself”, so once again, why is it so important that we know he's Black? 9th post, reply #859 Just in CASE anyone took offense by my "Nappy Head" comment --- rest ASSURED it was not derogatory in context.
Michael Jackson is a man of many names.....of many sides and dimensions (much like that "CUBE" that he is NOT in)..... I'm sure he wouldn't mind. ![]()
Janet Jackson even uses the term in one of her songs………haven't you ever heard "Nappy Boys"?? ![]() ![]() Is the “CUBE” MJ “is NOT in” the coffin? The crypt? MJ is (not was, IS) a man of many names. No kidding – Joe, Joseph, back, Front, Dr Heat, mystery777, and many others. 10th post, reply #870 Front responds to a long post accusing him of being a fake posing as back, from someone claiming to know what back would do and say: “ Uhmm…..WHY do people who claim to be "in the know" run their mouth like an overflowing toilet, spewing diarrhea on innocent bystanders? These nit-wits are in dire need of some "Drain-o" to unclog their heads from their a$$es.” If Front is indeed back, imagine how sick he gets of people who claim to KNOW what back would say or do? If this is feigned anger and imitation back, I Am Impressed! He goes on to rail against “insiders” and MJ “experts” on TV and the 'net: “ Worry not, my friends…..Michael Jackson will be fine---from Front to Back, top to bottom, left to right---an "Invincible" cube, you might say.
I'll reiterate…….do NOT not take my words as conclusive "evidence". The proof will be justified in the proclamation of HIS return.” No one who's dead “will be fine”, and since Front and Back are the only sides of the cube he capitalized, I take them as names. Front and Back are two sides of the same whole, just as back was “connected” to “Mr. Jackson” at the end of tHeOrY. The question remains, is that whole MJ, or a group including or representing him? 11th post, reply #878 Four words…………….
BEWARE of trojan horses. It's really weird that after this and Front's other “Trojan horse” post, my computer got so infected w/ Trojan Horses my security was completely overwhelmed. But that didn't happen to any other members so I'll call it coincidence. 12th post, reply #884
Obviously about fakes and imposters: “ ....Those who state "facts" & dates "beyond a shadow of a doubt"---utterly PREPOSTEROUS!---are merely dancing in their OWN twisted shadows. This sick tactic MUST stop.
They are ignorant but not dumb, and they know that MJ and his camp will not take the position at this point in time (obviously!) of refuting their "solid" theories and/or "facts". and so they run with it like bandits on crack.” I think it's aimed right at TS. I think that's one reason Front is posting a MJDHI. “ It's not necessary to call anyone out---they are full aware of who they are....” Is it possible that TS's true agenda has nothing to do with Michael Jackson and that is what Front is so angry about? Is he “...using Michael Jackson's fans as puppets! “ ? 13th post, reply #900 Front continues to voice his anger at “Trojan Horse jockeys”, fakes and phonies. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but his capitalization of “IS” looks much like “TS”. “ While I choose not to waste my time engaging in "dueling banjos" with these dimwits who obviously have a few "strings" loose, it IS my intention to quiet the GARBAGE that spews from their mouths before it has a chance to reverberate.
I have a feeling that my rant IS in the right place.
I think I've made myself clear to the guilty party(ies). Those outside that party, don't worry…it's said and done. They will fail and fail again.” If he is addressing TS &/or his followers, he is “in the right place” for this “duel”. Are “those outside that party” the members who are not disciples of TS? That's as far as I've gotten. Those who believe in TS can send hate mail to.....
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« on: September 08, 2011, 02:19:40 PM »
I'm going to add my 2 cents to the disagreement here in the hopes that we can move along.
When facts are not known, KNOWN, periods of doubt are understandable. To a certain extent they are helpful, if they cause you to re-examine available evidence, factor in new evidence and reassess. Different points of view should always be considered. Back says “self doubt is the greatest motivator”. Don't let it cripple you, use it.
However, some people continue to ask questions that have been answered several times already earlier in this thread, and that bogs us down. For example, several of us have already posted our reasons for thinking back is Michael. Not that anyone should just take another's word for it, but the opinions and their reasons are already here. At this point in time I suggest that anyone who is troubled by indecision either take a break, do some research on their own, start again at the beginning of this thread or just read along for a while. There is a thin line between constantly asking the same question and whining.
As someone else has stated, if you obsess over “who” you will miss the “what” - kind of a forest for the trees kind of thing.
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« on: September 07, 2011, 01:07:25 PM »
Keeping in mind the fact that I over think everything and have had too much coffee and not enough sleep, I saw “The Making of Moonwalker” today. At 26:30 Michael is playing with The Harlem Globetrotters. They're using a white basket ball w/ black spiders on it: You are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login From the beginning, this whole staged death saga has felt like a real life “Moonwalker” to me. First there is “Leave Me Alone”, about relentless media lies and distortions. Then “Speed Demon”, where Michael has to disguise himself in order to escape out of control fans. Then there is “Smooth Criminal” with what I understand to be “Dr. Murray's hesitation – selling heart beats, intimidation”. Also “Annie, are you OK?” comes right out of cpr training, where students use “resuscitation Annie” and are taught to ask “Are you OK?” A patient who can answer does not need cpr. Michael's character is guardian of 3 kids, the oldest a boy, then a girl, then a boy. Michael's character is fighting a drug dealer, and now we have the defense trying to portray Michael as an addict, going so far as to want a SBSD sheriff who participated in the 2003 raid to testify. This has put the prosecution in the position of petitioning to have anything related to the molestation case excluded.. Back to the film - he stages his death, returning when the threat has passed at which time he sings “Come Together”. Photos of Michael in this costume are used at the Sept 3 funeral. “Come together, right now....over me”. We certainly have done that! There is spider imagery used in the film, the spider basket ball, and this photo which I think was a test shot for a possible cover for the album “Bad”, which of course includes “Smooth Criminal”: You are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login Back has “Smooth Criminal” under his name on his ucp. Now we have a powerful documentary from Walking Moon studios that not only sets the record straight, not only presents inarguable evidence of media manipulation and manufacture of “facts”, it shines the spot light on Diane (demon) Dimond and Nancy (dis)Grace. Front chose a photo of a “Bam” cake with a spider on it, tho' there are photos of other cakes with the word “Bam” on them. In This Is It, Michael emerges from a spider. Spiders spin webs in order to catch insects. I'm not sure where I'm going with this. Maybe it doesn't go anywhere, but I have a vague feeling it does. I wonder if Michael is the spider. I wonder who or what he's caught in his web. As far as blackmail goes, that's exactly what Evan Chandler did. He asked Michael for money, was offered less than he wanted, then went public with that sickening accusation. Janet Arviso was an experienced extortionist.
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« on: September 06, 2011, 12:09:46 PM »
@scorpionchick
“The Man Behind The Myth” may or may not have something to do with Michael's staged death – it depends on why you think he did it. I think part of it was an effort to force people to see the man behind the media creation, to make them curious about the real person. Once curious, they'd find he was more than “not guilty”, he was (is) innocent.
Even if I'm wrong, I happened to see that vid for the first time while everyone was “partying” on this thread and I felt we ought to remember that something serious happened to cause Michael to do this. Even in his more playful posts, Front is warning that something serious is happening, or about to. Murray's trial is obvious, but could there be something else? Is this party the calm before the storm? I don't know......
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