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On another  forum  we discussed how the hoax may reveal a lot of things about MJ that fans NEVER knew and how that information  will shock the crap out of so many starry-eyed fans. It makes sense. If I wasn't there with him then I have no clue as to what the man did on those lonely nights at Neverland.  MJ never picked up his phone and called random people to announce who he was dating, marrying, or ...<drum roll please>...when he was going to pull a hoaxed  death.  He surely wouldn't have called someone to  announce who he was about to be intimate with and under what circumstances ...unless... that someone was the invited guest.

Let's get real here.  The fans who think that they know MJ must take a step back and look at regular men for a moment. Think about the routine things that they do as they interact with women. Think about the conversations that many men  have with regards to what they enjoy  doing.  Now also consider the naughtier things that regular guys confess to wishing that they could do. These are regular guys who may not have nearly the options or resources as MJ does. Now bring MJ back into the picture. Guess what? He could do a lot of things that some regular guys only dream about.  MJ is probably a lot more regular in his thinking and behavior  than many people, especially female fans,
want to believe him to be.  C'mon...back away from the Harlequin romance novels...please.

VERY VERY WELL SAID..BRAVO

I don't get it either.  No matter WHAT story comes out, it is always debunked. WHY??Michael was a healthy hot blooded man. What's wrong with him having multiple women? He tried being married and look how he got his heart broken. So maybe he just said screw it..and decided to NOT be tied to any ONE person. What's wrong with that? Damnit..i just wish it was ME :)

Hey just like the rest of us that have to sell stuff on ebay to pay some bills.  But how did he pay for that very nice guitar he had made on the reality show?  So how do they live in those damn big houses?

hmmm..Maybe one of those "policeman" was Michael returning to the Encino house from whereever he has been. BAMSDAY is close!

V does die eventually... but remember also the news channel reported that he was dead earlier in the movie when he wasn't!

OH YES!!! thats right!

THE ONLY THING IS THAT AT THE END OF THE MOVIE "V" DIES :(

Michael will have to die sometime

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You  are right..but I was just commenting on the end of the movie..it made me cry like hell!

THE ONLY THING IS THAT AT THE END OF THE MOVIE "V" DIES :(

@MJLOVEBUG

BRAVO...EXCELLENT! THIS IS VERY VERY PERCEPTIVE. I AGREE TOTALLY

I don't necessarily agree with everything that was stated in the original posting. My opinion is based solely on MIchaels' own words in his interviews. He is the one that stated he was beaten & he is the one who described in details the use of oil & ironing cords to willfully & purposely inflict the greatest amount of pain.

Michael is the one whom stated the beatings were inflicted for the most part to force him to perform & perform perfectly.

While it is true that Michael also respected his father moreso in the latter years, it is equally true that Michael feared his father to the point of  needing to vomit in his adult years. These statements were all made by Michael himself.

Respect & fear sadly can go hand in hand as I myself  was raised in a very similar manner. Yes, it is true that ones' up bringing can make us who we are.

BUT, each individual is IMO born with their own personalities & we as individuals can take our life experiences from our past & learn from them or we can be caught in the web of our past which haunts our future forever.

VERY VERY WELL SAID.!!!!!
Michael, as we all know was indeed caught in his past,..a past with no childhood, a past with the fear of his father. This lead to his increased love for the children of the world that were left behind with no love & no hope.

I believe that MIchael was born a kind soul & he would have passed on his love irregardless of his father, but because of his fathers' beliefs, Michael lost his childhood forever.

I want to say that it was Joes' wife that first discovered the kids talents & not Joe, just for the record. Joe did not have to inflict pain in order to get the results he wanted.

Joe IMO is not the one responsible for getting them out of poverty. Michael is the one responsible for that soley due to his ability to sing & dance.  Yes, Joe is the one whom pushed those kids to success, but has it ever occurred to anyone that Michael may have ended up doing it on his own?

Michael is the one whom left the group & Michael is the one responsible for his long term success & not Joe.

Insofar as respect for the family, it is my opinion we need only respect whom we choose. It is Michaels' family & if he chose to forgive them, then it is his choice. It doesn't necessarily have to be ours.

We can love & respect any individual, but it doesn't mean we have to respect that individuals family. It does mean however that we respect that individuals opinions of his family & not judge that individuals because of their family.

I don't & never will condone any person that beats their child into submission. It doesn't mean that at some point in our lives we can't understand why they did it, but it doesn't mean we should accept the behavior.

Many individuals live in poverty & are happier than those that are rich, & many of those individuals do not resort to a life of crime.

@love4humanity.

I am sorry for your loss.

As far as this not turning into a screaming match, I don't think that this a topic that should be argued about.  From the recent stories of other celebrity sons that have committed suicide in the past week, there are many factors that contribute to the feelings of hopelessness.  I probably will be bashed for saying this..but I believe it takes in enormous amount of courage to commit suicide.  I am not going to lie, I have contemplated it a few times in my life, but i am ashamed to say that I am chicken shit and couldnt do it.  So maybe I identify with these people..However, I would never do it for any celebrity. It just is the feeling of defeat and despair that combines all together to make you feel like ending it all.

love you all

No offense taken.  I guess it depends on what religion a person is.

:)

@JACKSONOLOGIST..

I wasnt the one that made the original statement. Was just commenting.  I don't know if they go to heaven or not. You don't think they are more at peace then the rest of us struggling everyday?

a  little off topic..but whats up with the celebrity sons committing suicide in the last week? :(

This is so sad...This should never happen... Life is worth more alive than dead...I hope they find peace...My wishes goes out to their families...

If they did indeed commit suicide, then they are in some place where they will never have peace.....Im sorry to say.

that is a very cold statement you just made. Very cold

are you looking at the smooth criminal photo, that person has no nose, its pushed in, that nose does not match michael in any angle.

and the clefts are different from photo to photo. and im sorry the first pic isnt from tii, i made a booboo.

yes and his smile just doesnt fit his face..like its too big for the face..does that make sense?