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Hello everyone. It's been a long time since I've posted but I read at times.

Can't help think of Sun City in South Africa where MJ had/has property, correct? I've always thought there was something significant about that...  Jacksun/Jackson may also be some sort of clue to Michael Joe/Joseph...
Then I think of how Snoop Dog has changed his name like this is all connected somehow??

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General Hoax Talk / Re: Who is still here ? ? ? ? ?
« on: February 04, 2012, 12:19:18 PM »
I will always be here for Michael.  I quietly watch and pray and keep to myself.

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TIAI ~ 2011 / Re: TIAI May 1
« on: May 09, 2011, 08:39:31 AM »
Thank you for the article, Wings.  You sort of bring us back to reality with this one. Calibration needed for sure.

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TIAI ~ 2011 / Re: TIAI May 1
« on: May 09, 2011, 12:58:28 AM »
@MJonmind: I agree.

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SoldierofLOVE wrote:What I am grappling with now is whether the FBI would, for this reason, create a hoax court solely for an expose'? That doesn’t seem typical for the FBI to do that without an actual arrest. There is no evidence of the FBI ever involving themselves in an expose that didn’t involve arrests. In that case, The Sting --and the big fish to fry -- would require a great deal of cooperation from several entities. On their website, the FBI talk alot about the various partnerships they must have. My problem with my own thought about this is why hasn’t it happened already? Why delay after delay? You wouldn’t give the crooks you want to catch enough time to figure this all out and hide would you? This is where everything becomes much more risky to me.
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There focus on court system could be central but there's more to the trial than just exposing the legal system.  And that's what I was saying about the FBI who wouldn't be involved in this only to expose corruption.  They'd be looking to convict criminals.  There may be people in the legal system to convict, but I also believe it's much bigger.  The domino affect does make sense.  Health Care Fraud is an area that FBI focuses on too.  Public Corruption is too, of course.  I still think physicians and pharmaceuticals is a piece because of Dr. Murray's involvement in the hoax.  If this was not the case another scenario could have easily been enacted to relay the hoax.

And, considering posts on this, I think Murray represents something/someone, but not necessarily MJ himself.  Eventhough he may be an actor, I think he represents what he's actually portraying -- all the doctors who do not take the Hypocratic Oath seriously and they grossly breach their responsibilities.  Perhaps MJ seeks to expose this  and the FBI seeks to convict.  Imagine how many medical professionals MJ has been in contact with, not just for his own personal needs but it includes what he's watched fellow celebrities endure as well as the children and adults with medical conditions he's visited, taken care of, and sought to support through treatment.

"What can be the certain outcome of a Dr. Murray trial is that the legal system, the medical establishment and the public will begin to address some pressing policy questions. What are the acceptable parameters of the private patient-physician relationship? How can the fraudulent trafficking of potentially lethal pharmaceutical drugs be stopped? Through what institutional mechanisms can proper standards of medical professional ethics and practice be effectively enforced? Michael Jackson would undoubtedly want an element of humanity and positive social change to come from this imperfect storm. That is its simple potential."  (From article by Matt Semino, legal analyst.)[/b]

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TIAI ~ 2011 / Re: TIAI May 1
« on: May 08, 2011, 10:59:58 AM »
TS says in his opening paragraph: "We are now at the most important level: who is the focus of The Sting? Keep in mind the possibility that more than one person or entity is the focus."


Not knowing who TS is, does TS believe or know it’s a sting given that he says, “who is the focus of The Sting?  He doesn’t ask if there is a sting.  That coupled with the image of a scorpion leads me to believe we are being led to this conclusion, but for ourselves we should try to prove it.

And, TS mentions the court system with some elaboration. It’s taken me awhile to wrap my head around that so thanks to those who have provided further discussion. I’ve been more interested in looking at malpractice/drugs and the music industry as the focus of a sting and maybe that’s part of it too, but I now understand the legal system as likely, central to this.   We have lots of theories but tend to be in agreement a sting or hoax court would involve  the bringing down of a big entity or entitites as it’s focus -- not individuals.

My question is where does Michael himself give us a clue about the courts?

I think back to what was the first recent image we saw of Michael after the 6/25 announcement.  It would be MJ at TII rehearsal singing TDCAU.  I always thought that was a divine message even when I believed he had died.  Of all the things to hear him say after that shocking announcement of his "death"!

I’m sure in other threads this has been discussed before many times, but if we agree that this is a hoax and everything is by design, then the rehearsal footage with TDCAU had to be the first thing he wanted us to understand.  And bec's post above could relate to this point as well. But corruption will prevail?  That's a very risky move.  I suppose this secret witness will be huge  mj_bad/

In TDCAU, who doesn’t care about us?  It would be something as big as the legal system.  He says it:
"Tell me what has become of my life
I have a wife and two children who love me
I am the victim of police brutality, now
I'm tired of bein' the victim of hate
You're rapin' me of my pride
Oh, for God's sake
I look to heaven to fulfill its prophecy...
Set me free..."

And, as we all know, there are two videos for TDCAU one being in a penitentiary.  So, MJ is very clear.

And with the controversy of the song, that only the US was most reluctant to even release over the airwaves, Michael explains:

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“The idea that these lyrics could be deemed objectionable is extremely hurtful to me, and misleading. The song in fact is about the pain of prejudice and hate and is a way to draw attention to social and political problems. I am the voice of the accused and the attacked. I am the voice of everyone. I am the skinhead, I am the Jew, I am the black man, I am the white man. I am not the one who was attacking. It is about the injustices to young people and how the system can wrongfully accuse them.”

So perhaps TDCAU is central to our understanding given the sequence of events.  If MJ has planned the hoax, why choose TDCAU as the rehearsal footage?   Perhaps this is some aspect of confirmation, (don’t know if I can say evidence), that ties Michael’s goals and The Sting to the legal court system, along with the various youtube videos and documents included herein from members on this forum regarding LA court system.  And this ties into Mrs. Jackson's resurging comment that her son is INNOCENT. She wants his name cleared and this trial will do it.  So yes, Murray/MJ synonymous in that way as the previous poster says.

What I am grappling with now is whether the FBI would, for this reason, create a hoax court solely for an expose'?   That doesn’t seem typical for the FBI to do that without an actual arrest.  There is no evidence of the FBI ever involving themselves in an expose that didn’t involve arrests.  In that case, The Sting --and the big fish to fry --  would require a great deal of cooperation from several entities. On their website, the FBI talk alot about the various partnerships they must have.    My problem with my own thought about this is why hasn’t it happened already?  Why delay after delay?  You wouldn’t give the crooks you want to catch enough time to figure this all out and hide would you?  This is where everything becomes much more risky to me.  

Can we talk more about what the delay could help or hinder?  

And here's an article interviewing a legal analyst friend of MJ's discussing his thoughts on the purpose/meaning of the Murray trial. This was shared with me by a fellow hoaxer:  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login [/color]

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TIAI ~ 2011 / Re: TIAI May 1
« on: May 08, 2011, 10:03:53 AM »
I logged in to talk about something else but seeing the discussion on where Elvis died, I'll include info from the book, The King and Dr. Nick: What Really Happened To Elvis and Me by Dr. George Nichopoulos.   Parenthetically, what I really find interesting about the Elvis parallel related to this May 1/TS thread is Elvis' involvement in a sting, not where they say he died. Although, it's not surprising if there's any confusion about that since it was a lie.   In any case, here's what Dr. Nick shares:

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"Joe Esposito stayed behind to make the official announcement of Elvis's death at a press conference..."

"My son, Dean, insisted he give me a ride back to the hospital for the autopsy.  I agreed without argument.  I soon discovered Dean had an ulterior motive for his good deed.  

Dean was a an enthusiastic fourteen-year-old when I first took him to Graceland at Christmas to meet Elvis and his family.  By the time he was nineteen, Dean was a competitive athlete; he taught Elvis and most of his entourage how to play racquetball.  Afterward Elvis hired Dean as his aide and to help with security on tour.  Dean had been working security at the mansion while I was at the hospital for the emergency.  He could hardly wait to get me out of the house to tell me what had been said behind the scenes at Graceland after Elvis was taken away in the ambulance"

"After they returned from the dentist about 1:30 a.m., Elvis went upstairs with Ginger," Dean began.  "That's when Elvis called you on the phone.  Later he talked with Joe about tour details and met with Dick for about an hour and a half to go over security plans.  After he finished his tour business, Elvis called Billy and asked him and Joe to play a game of racquetball with him and Ginger."  (Elvis's cousin, Billy: his wife, Joe; and their children lived in a trailer behind the main house at Graceland.)

"When they returned to the house, the maid offered to make him something to eat, but Elvis passed since he was fasting," Dean continued.  "She said Elvis looked, 'hot and sweaty.' He told her he just wanted some ice water.  Then Ginger, Elvis, and Billy went upstairs.  Billy dried Elvis' hair, and when Billy left, Elvis called for Rick.  It was about eight o'clock in the morning, and Rick was the aide on duty, but no one could find him.  Then Elvis called your office, and you weren't there.  He needed some sleep medicine, so he talked with Tish..."  "After talking with Elvis, Tish called and told Tommy which medication to give to Delta for Elvis," Dean continued.  "then Delta took it upstairs to Elvis with a pitcher of ice water... He still couldn't go to sleep, but Ginger was sleepy.  He went into his bathroom to read so the light wouldn't bother her.  By then it was close to nine o'clock in the morning.  Ginger said she woke up about two in the afternoon and phones her mom.  After they talked she hung up and went to check on Elvis.  She knocked on his bathroom door, which was partially open.  When he didn't answer, she pushed open the door.  That's when she found Elvis lying facedown on the carpet....

"Dean was lost in his thoughts for a few moments.  Then he pressed, "here's where things went wrong.  Our work schedule had Rick on duty until noon, when David was to come to work.  So where was Rick this morning when Elvis needed him around eight o'clock?  Where was David when Elvis needed him this afternoon?  Why weren't either of them at their posts?  "Something else is suspcious.  The maids said they  heard a loud thump from upstairs this afternoon sometime after one o'clock.  Ginger said that might have been one of the times she woke up but went back to sleep.  You know Elvis must have made a noise when he fell...  

"The maids said they thought Elvis was awake.  They saw the buttons on the telephone light up a few times; then they heard the shower running in the upstairs bathroom that Elvis' girlfriends use when they are at Graceland.  They were also mystified that Ginger was fully dressed, with flawless makeup, when she sounded the alarm for Elvis.  She had been sleeping for hours, right?  I know firsthand it takes that woman at least an hour to get ready.  What do you make of that?"

"The maids said Vernon asked them if they had seen either David or Rick go up or come down the back stairs off the kitchen before or during the time Elvis was upstairs with Ginger.  Why would Vernon want to know that?  Doesn't that strike you as strange?"

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TIAI ~ 2011 / Re: TIAI May 1
« on: May 07, 2011, 10:26:33 AM »
To the previous post, I've posted about the movie, The Sting, a few times.  While the entire film is worth another viewing, you can see a couple of clips here at the bottom of this post: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

The beauty of the ILLUSION is phenomenal.    Imagine how MJ could have perfected the illusion by now.

Although not the general focus of my investigating and researching, that'd be great if TS stood for The Sting!

In other news regarding a clue that I think will end up telling us more,  I was speaking to someone recently who says that it is not allowable for anyone to wear or purchase FBI gear (hats, shirts, pens, etc.) without official clearance as in you must have some connection to the FBI be it agent, analyst or a member of the citizen's academy.  This person I spoke with is someone who has been to a citizen's academy, but they are not employed with FBI so I need verification.  He says that these groups have access to the FBI store with a registration number. If you were to go online they'd ask for your reg. number.     And, with the citizen's academy you'd never have access to their gear without it saying FBI/ Citizen's Academy on it.  Or, if there's generic gear, it is not in official colors which are blue and gold. Marlon's hat is official?  I'm gonna find out.    You might see generic gear purchased in black/white or some other color but not official colors and not without some other signifier on it (such as Citizen's Academy.)    If this is true, and I plan to get this verified officially next week, where'd Marlon get that hat...... OFFICIALLY.... rr/

@peacock.  I'm pondering some things you're saying about drugs and MJ.  @2good... I'll look at the videos you've posted and think more seriously about the court corruption.  Thanks.

There's more I have about Elvis parallels.  Later for that. Gotta run. elvis_/  moonwalk_/

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TIAI ~ 2011 / Re: TIAI May 1
« on: May 04, 2011, 01:22:45 AM »
You all have posted some interesting thoughts/theories and I'm trying to consider everything you are saying.   I'm left with several puzzle pieces in my head not quite fitting together yet, but I'm listing my stream of consciousness for now and will come back to this later to flesh out:

1.  Real court.  Why delayed?

2.  If a Sting, no need for real court involving Murray but real court involving someone else being taken down by the sting.   Perhaps TS is telling us it is a sting although he wants us to prove that for ourselves, not just take his word for it.  If not a sting, why use the image of a scorpion to indicate the next level?  Why not a court room?  Why the FBI hat as first image in the last thread?  These things go together, sting/FBI.  Murray as undercover agent?  Good question.  Why not?  Need to work through the pros and cons of this.

3. All the people trying to take advantage of Michael and how to bring them down in a sting.  There could be many and all.   There were many.  Leonard Rowe's book discusses this clearly for me.  Odd time related to 6/25/09 to rehire certain people fired previously...  But who? Branca?  NOI? DiLeo? Thome Thome?  Klein?  It has to be huge, much bigger than individuals.   Sony?   It involves the public good but also Michael's assets.  Doesn't have to be either/or.

 FBI and sting requires MJ to hoax his death.


4. When I listen to Morphine, I come to conclusion that Michael hated drugs.  He hated what they were doing to people's  lives/to celebrities.  Michael said in Moonwalker he would never succumb.  He mentioned so often the broken celebrities, beaten down and given drugs.  Doctors giving out drugs like candy. Perhaps the stockpile of Propofol was to catch everyone who'd give it to him. Entrapment?  Yes/No?    MJ was too aware to be addicted and he tells us in Morphine.

5.  Can't forget he said he would die like Elvis.  LMP said this was not a good idea..  Not the right response to someone who was addicted to drugs or forsees their own tragic death.    Had to be another reason she said that.

6.  All those images in the 80's with Michael and law enforcement.  Reagan.  Bush. Latoya is a police officer. Marlon and his FBI hat with that big happy (knowing) grin.  

7.  So many parallels to Elvis.  What else parallels?  A trial and a secret witness mentioned...

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Article:For years, the man known only as Elvis to the public, has caused world wide confusion concerning his supposed death on August 16, 1977 after entertaining and dazzling the world for over 20 years. Elvis Aaron Presley, did not die on that fateful day. He was only removed from the public eye to continue in his fight against drug use.
It had been rumored that he had died from a drug overdose. It is a well known and documented fact that Elvis had always been a strong believer and fighter against communism and drug use. In a meeting with President Richard Nixon on December 20, 1970, Elvis stated his true feelings against drugs and communism, believing that the two were definitely related. At that time, the President appointed him to be a Special Agent in the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs (now known as the Drug Enforcement Agency or DEA). What a perfect way to stage his escape from the limelight and publicity to move into undercover activities to prevent the use of drugs, than to say that he had died from the use of drugs.

In that meeting between the President of the United States and the King of Rock-n-Roll, President Nixon told Elvis that his image, reputation and credibility with his fans especially the younger kids and the hippie crowd, must not be tarnished. Elvis needed to maintain, in the public's eye, what had already been established. If Elvis were to go public about becoming a part of the war on drugs, suspicions would surely arise and any future plans of Elvis being able to be an effective force for the government would be destroyed.

Elvis was able to keep his involvement with the government, his public life and his private life completely separate but all the same. His involvement in bringing down drug dealers, and activities by the Mafioso, musicians and Hollywood actors came about as he performed and made public appearances as his family traveled and joined him most of the time. He was able to keep his activities with the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs and his involvement with the Federal Bureau of Investigations secret from his fans and family. The only one in his family that knew of Elvis's activities was his father Vernon. Vernon knew far more than all of Elvis's entourage, assistants, the government, his family and fans all put together.

In 1976 Elvis had become a part of a sting operation orchestrated by the FBI against the Mafia. Vernon had needed to raise some extra cash since the private jet that Elvis was leasing was a major hemorrhage in their expenses. Vernon was approached by Fredrick Pro, president of Air Cargo Airlines out of Florida. Fredrick was known to the FBI as Alfredo Poc, president of Trident Consortium in New York, and under investigation for racketeering, fraud and other Mafia activities. An agreement was reached between Vernon and Fredrick on how to refinance the plane, lease it to Fredrick, and gain an extra $10,000 a month on the plane. AT first Vernon was completely niave of what Pro and his co-horts were up to. As checks that were promised to come in from Pro were either not appearing or were bounced. Vernon had contacted the FBI.

The FBI had been monitoring Pro and his other Mafia connections since the mid 1960's. The FBI assigned two of their best Special Agents to go undercover in Elvis's entourage to infiltrate the mob activities. Vernon and Elvis were briefed on the continuing investigation and were excited to help the FBI in their operation.

By July 1977, the FBI felt it had enough evidence to arrest and convict the world wide Mafia ring that defrauded the Presley family of over one million dollars and many other organizations around the world.Arrest warrants for everyone in the fraud ring were issued on August 16, 1977. Not surprisingly enough that was the day Elvis "died".
The night before, Elvis was extremely agitated. He seemed unusually worried about everything. The next day when he was announced to be dead, the paramedics showed up two hours after they were supposedly called, on their arrival they put on a terrific show trying to revive the King. The coroner's official report has never been released. Pictures of Elvis in his coffin have never been proven to be him. Handwriting experts have proven that the signature on his death certificate is Elvis's own handwriting.

In Elvis's last concert tour in the early summer of 1977, he left clues that he was not going to be around much longer in public. Elvis had said several times in that tour, "I dont look very good now, but I will look good in my coffin". He also stated that he was tired of living the way that he was, and that his life would change. He also said he would be just himself instead of an image.

Vernon had asked many of Elvis's close friends and family not to come to the funeral, but to come to Graceland a week later. He also would not accept the American flag, which is usually awarded to dead war veterans. At Elvis's request, Vernon did not order any new jumpsuits in 1977, which is quite odd, since he usually ordered at least two new ones a month.
Six weeks before his "death?", several publications released pictures of Elvis with his newly issued badge and identification from the DEA. He also was seen and photographed on a drug raid that same week wearing the typical DEA jogging suit.
Just two weeks before his "death", Elvis had met with then President Carter, who had issued a tribute to the world concerning his death. The tribute was released the moment Elvis's death was made public.
On October 18, 1977, Pro had finally been arrested along with many other men involved in the Presley fraud case. In September of 1978, they finally went to trial. During that trial, a secret witness testified. He told of things that only Elvis himself would know. The name of that witness has never been released publicly.

Getting Elvis out of public, private and Mafia sight was the only way the government could guarantee a conviction of Pro and his henchmen. In return the government had made Elvis one of their top undercover agents in the DEA. As a special undercover DEA agent, he would be traveling around the globe, which explains why there are many "Elvis sightings" around the world.[/u]

During his entertainment days, Elvis would travel using fictitious names such as Col. James Burrows, Al Jefferies and others. Their have been photos of men traveling around the country, appearing on stage, and involved in drug and Mafia arrests that have gone by the names that Elvis used when publicly performing.
The mysteriousness of his "death" is good for Elvis so he can maintain his secret undercover identity and still be seen in public.
In a very recent interview, a source that must remain anomoyus, said, "I saw Elvis in the mall exiting the J. Crew store. He was carrying large bags full of clothes and was traveling with some kids that seemed 'undesireable' and may be drug dealers or users".  The clues that leave no doubt that Elvis did not die on August 16, 1977, are endless and rock solid proof that he is working undercover for the federal government.  elvis_/

Hmmmm.  If I believe MJ's situation is similar to this, I would say Murray is working undercover too as was said by someone else on this thread.  Maybe the only difference between what Elvis did and what MJ is doing, is that MJ is making it bigger, better and HIGH TECH to reach the universe.  "He thinks planets."  So, the movie theory comes into play as well.   Quoting Back: "it's not a comeback, it's a TAKEOVER."  Game Over indeed.

There could be a real trial because of a sting (it just won't be Murray on trial when it finally comes around.  And with the help MJ has given authorities, they agree to some things he wants to do as in GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH and the continual success of all his projects he's delayed at least since 2001.  He's unfolding it with spiritual numbers he started planning long ago...   Thanks to hoaxland, there's been an audience and a witness every step of the way.   I bow/  to you, MJ.

Ah, back to thinking and working through these thoughts. This I know for sure: THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL.



Oh yeah, I wanted to add this as proof that a sting would protect a famous man's assets:
Suspected Bootleg Operation Uncovered
August 02, 2010
In a major sting operation in Los Angeles, Elvis Presley Enterprises (EPE) has filed charges and is actively working with the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department who have recently conducted raids and have uncovered a major bootleg and fraudulent product operations of unauthorized Elvis Presley merchandise. Further details cannot be released at this time due to the ongoing investigation, but EPE is making it very clear that be it back room businesses, suburban garages, or via the Internet, they will not tolerate the gross and illegal abuse of the name, image and likeness of Elvis Presley.

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TIAI ~ 2011 / Re: TIAI May 1
« on: May 03, 2011, 12:02:34 PM »
Quote from: "peacock7"
Wow!  You go Souza.  Teach!  Like you, see, I'd rather be WISE than CLEVER.   respect/

I think the court thing is really intriguing.  The Court of Last Resort.  The Court of Public Opinion.  The Kangaroo Court.  The Truth & Reconciliation Court (South Africa).  The Sting Court.  The Hoax Court.  The King's Court.  

I think it will be both.  I mean, no one said that this was just a GAME.  No one said that this is just a MOVIE.  Again, life is a game.  Life is a reality film.  Just check out all of the staging that was done concerning Bin Laden.  The Whole World is a Stage after all.

I think first and foremost, MJ was in it to win it.  It being the POWER to be able to hold on to his works (whether that be owning the Beatles catalog - among others or not), because even though he Acquired the catalogs, it was still an act of his Working to get it done.  If someone was still trying to ply it out of his sweet huge hands, then that would have been enough to engage in a sting operation.

Because I also believe that MJ is doing an ARG/Movie, I think it could also be a hoax court.  After all TS, if it is not a HOAX COURT, then what are we doing here?  Is this a hoax or not?  Did MJ hoax/fake his "death" or not?    Is this hoax a continuation of Gilda or not?  And on and on.

Also, I hear people talking about Chernoff (Doc Murray's lawyer) like he could not be part of the hoax.  Remember, the fake patients listed on his website?  And the USA (and other countries) at times acts out many of their government issues in the media (stage) like a global reality film, many of these professionals are cross trained in acting (and could be getting paid).  Trust!  Look now, Arnold S. (ex Cali governor) is thinking about running for President.  President Reagan was an actor before Governor and President, so these people believe in acting out.  I find all of it odd now in retrospect, and have for many years.  It's almost like it is a joke.

And yes, the US court systems are truly kangaroo like - in many instances.  Many believe that they aren't any better than third world counties, what with the corruption that has gone on in the past and still continues to this very day.  Congress and the Senate are staging areas.  Talkin' 'bout kangaroo.  And some call us Conspiracy Theorists, when all governments all over the world, along with some in other areas (think religious entities) conspire and have conspired for thousands of years against US human beings.  They are the true conspirators.  24/7.

As it pertains to GAME OVER & Alternate Reality Game, Omer's song where he sings - "I NEVER STOPPED PLAYING.  I'M ALWAYS IN THE GAME.  BEFORE THEY CAME (meaning others new to the ent. industry - Rappers and the like - Justin et al, MJ was here first - and will always be a hit maker).  ALONE I FEEL PAIN (he was feeling pain when others weren't - he's paid his dues and more).  I'M GIFTED.  IT AIN'T HARD TO KNOW (speaks for itself).  TIME TO STEP TOGETHER AND GIVE THEM ALL WE OWE (owe = PAYBACK-REVENGE)."  Those are MJ's words.  Some people say that "this is not a game. And "I don't like playing games.  And,"MJ wouldn't play games.  MJ wouldn't do this."  Please.  MJ has done this.   It's his game whether some like it or not.  The main thing he is trying to convey by this game stuff is this, in my opinion.  He is ON TOP of T(HIS) game.  It's that simple.  It's a slang word.  Hasn't he always been on top of his game?  I think so.

MJ doesn't need any of our permission in seeking his Revenge or how he goes about it.  He's on top of it, and it don't stop ‘til the BAM drops. moonwalk_/


I always love what you have to say, peacock. I recognize you from before...  respect/ (wink).   Anyway, you say what you say very  well and your knowledge about many things is vast.    "Jam" is a good song to think about too. "It ain't too much for" Michael.  

In any case, I like this topic.  Thanks, TS.  I've always believed in the STING. I said that long ago by posting a movie poster from the Redford/Newman movie.  Unfortunately,  I don't have time to think through this the way I should or share my thoughts now -- I'm still pondering/researching and when I have a break from work, I'll be here to comment and will try to make sense of my theory. (And then debunk it  argue/ )  

Peace. bearhug

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Quote from: "voiceforthesilent"
So now we are getting the warnings of possible retaliation? Is this to cover basis if anything happens?


From: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login [mailto:owner-TEXTBREAKINGNEWS@EMA3LSV06.TURNER.COM] On Behalf Of CNN Breaking News
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Subject: CNN Breaking News

U.S. State Department warns of "enhanced potential for anti-American violence" following bin Laden's death.


This is very important to watch.

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Quote from: "iamamjbeliever"



 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:   Love. It.

They just said on CNN that the body didn't necessarily look like Bin Laden but they had "other ways" to determine his identity.    errrr  errrr  confused/

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Obama says we will "continue to be vigilant in Afghanistan."  "...continue to ensure that Pakistan join our allies in the fight against Al Qaeda."

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Obama is speaking now.

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I'm gonna need to see a long form death certificate.  And, will the war in Afghanistan end now?  :roll:

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Quote from: "bec"
@SoL: for reelection. And he will now be reelected most certainly. The republicans are all collectively pooping their pants right now.


Yep.  Such incredible bullshit.

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