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« on: April 22, 2011, 03:51:02 PM »
I feel that I cannot absolutely prove that there was no body except to say that the following clues or ideas lead me to that conclusion. Unfortunately, without information that I believe is unavailable to us there is no absolute proof.
The initial question TS asked is what if anything went to the hospital. I realize I am looking at a different question regarding the helicopter transport. To answer that helps me consider the other. The helicopter transport is so very unusual in every way and the positioning of the body on the stretcher to the coroner's van does not seem real. It appears too flat and the feet are strangely positioned and not typical of a body that could not have completed a rigor mortis process. The body hoisted by the knot, which is at the head,
does not apear to be procedurally appropriate. It is indelicate at best. There is weight to the body but the manner in which it is hoisted, does not appear to be as heavy as it would be if a real body was there. This is speculation in some respects. I am looking to talk with an expert who has been involved with this type of transport and I would like to see video of a very similar, if not exact same transport.
Great analysis So
I like Andrea's observance of "nobody" mentioned 9 times in TS posts. Is this proof? Of course not, but it could be a clue and it's intriguing. I realize this can be dbunked but so can everything at this point. I don't see any theory that can't be debunked. I also believe that if it is true that less people involved is better, why couldn't it be the case that the same few people are playing different roles. They are the paramedics, the coroner's office, etc. etc. Maybe even the dancers have played several of these roles. We do not see any faces for the most part.
If there had been a body, and if it had been Michael's, I believe the family or trusted personnel in MJ's entourage would have accompanied the body on the helicopter and to the coroner's office.
It is not proven that the FBI is involved and carried out a sting but we seem to be agreeing that this is the case. We have no proof yet it is plausible. It mirrors Elvis, as we know many aspects of the hoax have, and it seems likely that this level of assistance would be needed to carry out something so intricate and sensitive. Therefore, the FBI is capable of staging any situation with the same few people playing different roles. They have the resources to make anything seem real just as the CIA can make a war seem real (wag the dog).
I think it has been agreed that the ambulance photo from Carollwood is photoshopped. Therefore, for me, it is a strong clue that every aspect of the "scene" is staged. But if something needed to look real on June 25, you would need the ambulance for others to see and you would only need there to be a simulation that there was a photo taken of an acutal dead or dying person.
I do not see strong evidence that a person was living at Carollwood who died at the exact time needed in the MJ numerology. The 911 call did not take place at the house but a hotel. All staged. No body is needed for a staging. Great Analysis, SoldierofLove. My thing is, why would there be a body? I don't get how a dummy would involve more people when it is a movie. Just like one of the latest videos shows all the discrepancies in the autopsy report, where the lady had said (written in report) that they transported MJ to the wrong place - and all of it. That is a great video by the way. It all ties in together. When this hoax jumped off, it was right when the 911 call was made. Why in the world did 40 minutes go by? LOL! Did the paramedics ever testify as to why it took them so long to travel 3 minutes. Lol - did they have on the sirens when they arrived? LMBO. Also on one of the pictures I think 2good2btrue posted, there was a nice looking building that I think he mentioned that Ben and them worked from. In my estimation, it looks exactly like the studio the brothers went in to see the producer Greg. Jackie went to one to see his son, so that might be the one I'm thinking about, and Jermaine and Tito went to one to see Jam & Lewis, so I'm not sure. One of those studios might have been near Sunset or on it and near the Beverly Hills hotel. Anyway, of course we don't know if a body or dummy was used, but I lean toward dummy/wax/mane. After all, why didn't we get to see the ambulance travel and arrive at the hospital upon seeing all of the other so-called action at house? The biggest entertainer in the world in History - and we can't see the ambulance carrying him? That is one of the main things I thought we would see. Again, they showed what later could be called, a bungled departure w/no sirens. Lol
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« on: April 22, 2011, 03:32:07 PM »
"I actually was thinking that about Quincy Jones and Eddie Murphy. There's actually a picture of MJ sitting on Quincy Jones lap during the BAD era which I thought was really odd to be honest with you. I am not sure if anything happened between the two and I am not against homosexuality at all but the music industry seems to be less about fluid sexuality and more about control by any means necessary. I wouldn't be surprise if all of this was true. I heard Quincy Jones even asked Tupac at one point when he was engaged to his daughter. Of course, Tupac declined. I hope that wasn't true but that's what I heard. And sorry we are off topic but here's a video of Justin Bieber's AMA acceptance speech. Is this the speech you're referring to?" [youtube:3rur4jqw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30PO9_SFYao&feature=fvst[/youtube:3rur4jqw][/quote] Thank you so much. Yes, I think this is the video. Something is up with that. He had already mentioned Mike and thanked him in a previous speech like a year or so before this speech right? Lol There was no particular reason for him to have brought MJ's name up at that point in speech, but bring him up he did. Wow! I hear y'all about Quincy Jones and Tupac. They say Will Smith and Martin bent. I feel sorry for Will Smith's children. Some have said that he and his wife sacrificed them to the business for fame. Some of these parents have to turn their children over to a minder - and they say that Jay-Z is Willow's. The thoughts actually make me want to throw up. Lord help those babies and Save The Children. That is why Will & Martin got their own shows on TV they say and what not (and Bad Boys movies). What a crying shame. There are you tubes talking about all of this stuff, and yes, I had heard about the Tupac thing and how he said No. I figured the same with Biggie, because there is another Rapper that blames P-Diddy for Biggie's death. I don't know that I believe it all, so I file it in my computer. That Rapper Griff talks about some of it. Here is an old but interesting article. You are not allowed to view links.
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« on: April 22, 2011, 03:07:03 PM »
Is it possible Jermaine has made another slip-up?
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Reply Retweet. Mother is also guided by private discussions with Michael. Trust me, a mother knows her son...better than anyone (inc executors) about 2 hours ago via web I think all of his Tweet-Tweet(s) (Rockin' Robin) were interesting, but the one above is Spot on. Of course it means that Mrs. J is GUIDED by MJ. I mean, he is alive and speaks to his mother regularly. I mean, how can he be alive and not speak to her and guide her? He is the one guiding her with everything including his children. MJ is able to come and go to Havenhurst and elsewhere on a drop of a dime. He is way smart. He knows which disguises to use when and where ever he goes. He's got it down pat. Michael's mother is GUIDED by private conversations with her son. How clearer can one be? I was astounded to read that. What is the spiritual stuff? What does that mean? Does it mean that she thinks about her "dead" son and then asks him to tell her what he wants her to do? I don't think so. I love it! Jermaine is something else. After all, he is also courageous and confident just like his baby bro. I think he was the only brother that MJ must have thought could have pulled off the "death announcement." I think Thome-Thome might have been MJ and his presence on the stage may have helped Jermaine. He has a lot of nerve like our Michael. Randy is too bullheaded and stubborn and he don't take no stuff. Tito seems a little too laid back and might have gotten tongue tied. Jackie would have cried. Marlon would have made a joke and laughed out loud. Lol So, Jermaine it was. Way to go Jermaine. Keep them coming. I am going to research to see if people that make themselves up in disguises can clue hair on arms or whatever. In one picture it didn't look as if Thome had hair on arms, and then in another, he had it. Hmmmmmmmmm
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« on: April 20, 2011, 12:41:28 PM »
As I mentioned before, the NWO does have its agenda. They have been mind funking people for generations. They say that Bob Hope was a big handler. Some think he handled Tiger from age 3 and then turned him over. They say that when Tiger was caught snoring after his "accident", indicated that that is what sometimes happens to mind controlled victims when they are shutting down or whatever. They are programmed to sleep at some point. Just need sleep. And on and on. Remember, Anna Nicole Smith and the doll on video? That's what made me think of Blanket and the window. (Doll baby) Oh my God! I was so upset by that, because I saw what was going on, and what probably had gone on. God rest her soul. And listen to this. I think Quincy Jones is a frienemy of MJ's. I think he was MJ's handler at one time. Check out a sort of recent interview from him where he boasts about - "Yeah - I handled Michael Jackson alright.", or something along those lines. I also think that is when the other MJ came out. There is an interview of Quincy with a young MJ right after Thriller, and my God. I'm not sure that that was MJ. He sounded very scripted. I don't respect the man. I give him credit for his great musical/conductor skills but that is about it. I read a couple of months ago that he is getting ready to Remaster the Off The Wall album. That would be sweet, I must admit, but I don't care for the runt. He is jealous of MJ and always has been after Thriller. He recently said that the Jackson family should have given him more credit and money for making MJ into such a huge star. :roll: I read where he asked MJ to bend over, and MJ wouldn't and never did. I also read where Eddie Murphy made a play on MJ, and he told him to get lost, and that he didn't get down like that. It would be a little funny if it all wasn't so sad. Btw, have you all seen all of the videos lately of newscasters talking gibberish out of the blue on camera? Judge Judy is the latest one to do it. They also have many mind controlled victims in TV news. Much of this is coming out, and it is amazing, because people are waking up to all of these evil doers and they want it to stop. I heard that some group was protecting MJ and the Jacksons. You are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginP.S.. Did anyone ever give any ideas on what Justin Bieber most likely meant when he gave credit to MJ when he won some awards or whatever it was (sorry), and the audience was hushed upon hearing him go on about MJ? I think that MJ has opened some kind of Portal/Vortex for many artists, sort of speak. No pun intended necessarily, but it does stand to reason that "what goes up, must come down." In other words, whatever traps/ties these artists found themselves in are being loosened by MJ and his Team. They are waking up in more ways than one. Lastly, I heard that Congress was full of Hologramed congressman. :?: Omer's lyrics - "You ain't gonna stop my team. We gone roll like bigfoot, can't stop. Nah I mean." What a web.........................................................
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« on: April 19, 2011, 01:11:17 PM »
I still say that TMZ is run by Michael when it has to do with news about HIS HOAX. This Is Hissens in a nutshell. He has his reasons for everything he has TMZ print. We are not and will never be totally privy to why he uses TMZ thus. For instance, let's just delete this TMZ thread/forum, and ask Souza not to allow anyone to ever post any articles from TMZ again. How long do you think it would be before this forum lost members? TMZ has given us most of the info having to do with MJ, because he wants it like that. I think his nephew Donte when attacking TMZ by saying what he did aligning them with the Devil was more or less trying to equate them with the tabloids that did a lynch job on his uncle. He was playing with minds. They all know that MJ uses them in order to at times, prove that many people believe in the rags so much, and takes whatever they read from them and just runs with it. His song Tabloid Junkie tells just that. He is trying to prove how easily most media takes what TMZ prints and copies and pastes the stuff coming from them without legit researching the facts. Many of us have researched our cabooses off since 6-25-09, and I don't know about most, but I've always researched. I never believed those stories about MJ that ran in the tabloids back then, and I don't believe everything TMZ writes about either, because some of it is intentionally being written to mess with the other media outlets per MJ. MJ is "punking" the other media outlets sort of speak. When I read anything, I take it with a grain of salt. It will be almost 3 years since I watched news on the tube. I don't watch CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS and et al. I get my news from online. When I do want to see what the MSM (lame stream media) is talking about, I check the Drudge Report. Otherwise, I read alternative news, and I stay alert, aware and awake to what sounds true to me, what sounds false and what may be or may not be true. I then file it in my computer brain, and pull it back up if needed. This is what I do with TMZ. I am convinced MJ is in control of all aspects that have to do with him. It is cleared thru him before it is printed. Again, we won't always understand his reasoning, but he does have an agenda. He probably also keeps it documented in order. I especially remember the walking casket. Lol Some got offensive, and really some do get indignant a little too much it seems when I don't see it as being warranted, and one can't smother the man with one's own feelings about anything concerning his life. He owes us nothing. Matter of fact, since when did we have to learn anything having to do with MJ after 6-25-09? Where is it written that we were on a need to know basis about his will or estate? We shouldn't be getting as much info as we get concerning this case. This is what also proved to me that it was a hoax. Why do some prople act as if they are owed a play-by-play of MJ's life and legacy, and especially as it pertains to his finances and all other things that relate to him? Why in my opinion, it is because MJ wanted it like that. He is the main one planting clues. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense to me that we would get so much info. There has NEVER been another case like this before in HIStory. Never! It is because it is a movie that things are so closely documented, IMO. As far as the NOI goes, I don't respect nor appreciate Farrakan, because he admitted to Malcolm X's daughter that he had something to do with her father's death. WTH?! Mr. X was my hero, and he is the only man that I say that about, because after God, I am next. God is within me. I think that around the NOI time is when the family was kept from MJ. Remember, they said that. I believe them. It's hard to call the cops when the cops call Mr. Jackson and he tells the cops that "I don't want to see my family. I make the decisions." Blah-blah-blah. I think they (family) finally got to him between 2003 (when the charges were filed and thru 2005 - support for the trial). Hence, I would have been suspicious of the NOI and the lot of them. Get his family, cousins, uncles, etc to guard his body. Sometimes, I think that MJ had a clone made up by the powers that be that would pull him out into the public without his knowledge or permission. This is what Papa Joe might have been inferring when he mentioned doubles. Sometimes, I wonder if MJ was the original MJ that held a so-called Blanket over the balcony. 1. How do we know that wasn't a cloned double? 2. How do we know that that wasn't a mind-controlled MJ (done as part of the plot to make him look bad and crazy and unstable - remember, they were talking about taking his children after that)? 3. How do we know that the double didn't have a doll? It stands to reason that if at any time in his life that he was mind-controlled, it had to have been at some point. We can't believe it was true, but then have no speculation as to when it may have happened. I have read that MJ was made to marry both Lisa and Debbie. Who chews gum at what looks like a shot gun wedding ceremony? And Debbie is quoted saying that she begged MJ for years to let her give him children. Rolls eyes. Something is up with that, because the original MJ already had a son, Omer. So, it could be that MJ was mind-controlled and was made to marry Debbie to keep a big part of his fortune in Jewish hands. This thing is deep and ties very much with the NWO and the stuff that they did to people in the ent. field, sports, beauty pagents and modeling. I believe that much of this is going to come out. Remember that article that said something about MJ's DNA and how the Estate wanted to make sure none was stolen from his corspe? These are the kinds of things that make one go hmmmmmmmmmmmm. I knew then what was up. MJ was more or less saying that any other children that came after Blanket are not his. He knows what's up. I think MJ has lived a more normal life than a lot of folks believe. I think that around 2001/2002 that didn't sit well with some in evil power circles so they started messing with him AGAIN. I think one can clearly see two MJ's in the Bashir interview. I think MJ was fed up with it all around that time, hence the Sony speeches and him talking about how the History told to us is a lie. It is one big fact blankety-blank lie - indeed. The powers that be shut him up and pulled out the cloned MJ - and there you go. If MJ was on drugs, they did it to him and probably shot him up with demoral so that the clone could make mischief and fool people. That drug is also used in mind-controlled situations. I didn't mean to offend or to go off on this, and I think I should stop for now, but I do believe that much of the wrong done in the entertainment industry, and what was done to MJ is part of what he is trying to expose. Truth is stranger than fiction. A lot is still left to be exposed and explored, like the fact that there really are off-worldly beings that control the intelligence power in the US and in some countrys abroad. By the way, Farrakan just put out a speech titled - "The Jews Control Blacks in Entertainment." It's on You Tube. Again, Souza please stop posting TMZ and TS, and then we'll see how long this board lasts. Of course, some would argue that that would prove that TMZ and TS are part of the intelligence powers that wants to make us naive and gullible people thing that MJ hoaxed his death, and for us not to believe that it is MJ Himself that wants us to believe it, and wants to wake us up. Some think he is dead. So, I don't know why they think they'll ever feel any different, and especially since they don't believe in TMZ or TS. No one has to or should. Don't read their articles and posts and that a way, you won't get upset. Plus, "just because you read it in a magazine or see it on TV don't make it factual", anyways. MJ is playing that card as we speak and as he goes along. I believe very strongly that MJ is using The Michael Zone for his own purposes (they were 1st to declare him dead?  ?), and he is in COMMAND. He is also in charge of his estate attorneys. Are some kidding me? Those ones can't think that he is alive, because S. O. S., there is no way MJ is alive and is not in charge of his Estate/Attorneys. Marlon thanked John McClain in his Hall of Fame speech. More on his Estate later. Again, Souza please delete this TMZ forum and see what happens. LOL!
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« on: April 17, 2011, 01:33:51 PM »
The ambulance picture thread on TIAI is very interesting to me, and I'll tell you why. The picture of the body/dummy was presented as being shot on the same day as we see the fire truck and tour bus at the staging/prop house. IMO, TS is asking for us to describe what is happening with it. Is it real or fake? That simple.
I knew a long time ago that because the picture of a supposedly "dying" or "dead" MJ in ambulance was shown after 6-25-09, and with Ben's comments about "the other day", meant that everything concerning the picture was fake and illusion.
If the 911 call was made from the Beverly Hills Hotel, then that means, the subsequent actions were scripted. Of course, the infamous trying to do CPR on the bed was leaked next. It shouldn't have taken 40 minutes to get the distressed patient into the ambulance. After the 911 call, that was the first clue. Then, there were no police directing traffic. Then, the ambulance took too much time to back out of the driveway.
If all of this was being coordinated from another location, hence the hotel, then it stands to reason that the actions at the Carolwood address were suspect, and were being acted out by actors and not professional people. MJ was never there that day. Any video/pictures of him were done on another day (or more than one) to fit the illusion.
We never see Murray at that address. We see Murray at UCLA, on the video we see that wasn't filmed on 6-25-09. That video had to have been filmed before 6-25-09, and almost looks like a practice run, but in actuality was intentionally filmed earlier to be shown to the public later. This is how all films are done. When we go to the movies, all filming was done earlier, and was done to tell a story. In this particular case, this movie is being filmed as a REAL LIVE THRILLER. It is a Reality Movie based on fiction and illusion. What a script. What a play. What a reality film using fictious footage that happens to look real when shown after 6-25-09. Plot = the beginning, the middle and the ending.
MJ may have very well been on stretcher and then is seen standing there in the emergency room entrance. He loves to stir up controversy. Just like when Larry King and Jermaine were at Neverland and MJ's supposed Ghost shows up. The illusion continued there. But none of it was filmed on 6-25-09. That is it in a nutshell.
I think TS brought up the ambulance picture to get us to go back to the beginning (or almost the beginning) to rule out that the picture in ambulance was done on 6-25-09. What good does it do to worry about a picture of MJ in an ambulance that never happened, and especially as it pertains to being filmed on 6-25-09? In other words, why is Ben the only one claiming a picture of body in ambulance? He may have been filmed whatever, but not on 6-25-09. So why take so much time tying to figure out what happened with that picture? Botton line, it is fake.
MJ and children never lived at said address. It was used to capture the bumbled footage of the afternoon of 6-25-09 for movie/ARG purposes. It's a movie.
I am not saying TS likes to stir up stuff to keep us busy or not. I'm not saying whether he knows the Jacksons or not. What I am saying is that, some of us had already figured out that if this is a movie, then it stands to reason that many things in movies are not analyzed to death, when the answer is very simple for the most part. And that answer is that it is a "fictional adaption" of a supposed reality.
The answer is, it is a hoax. It is fiction. It is an illusion. MJ is an Illutionist. If TS's point is for us to prove by posting his comments why something is not real and is fake, then maybe that is what he is trying to get us to connect. Upon basic things being connected, all the rest falls into place. Murray is not a doctor. He is a character that represents MJ. Now, we know some things that are real. MJ was not at house on 6-25-09. MJ was probably in hotel, because he is hands on, and Murray is playing a role.
We see MJ and his children meeting with his parents at the Beverly Hills Hotel shortly before 6-25-09. That was probably because that is where he was staying at the time, and possibly with the children for the most part. His main residence was probably Las Vegas at the time and still is. Why meet with his parents at a hotel and make sure he is filmed? That hotel might probably have been the Director's studio. Everything was being coordinated from there.
Those things were the jump offs and true coordinates. They are the main pieces to puzzle. The entire day of 6-25-09 is an illusion. I think this is what TS wants us to grasp. Do we need TS? Maybe or maybe not. All I know is that the numerology was planned by MJ and not TS. MJ runs this film and hoax, his estate attorneys and many other things and people related to his film. Yes, he needs help and always has (TMZ - to plant his info), yet he is the MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN. He is the one pulling the strings. He is the one that is the PUPPETMASTER. IMO, work ain't hard for MJ. He sang it - "you got me working - working day and night."
Again, This Is It - Thriller 2 in full production. The final act is what the next step will be. With the lastest on the Mann Act, and with the To Kill A Mocking Bird comparisons, MJ is telling a lot with this movie. He is mainly showing that he is Unbreakable and that the ones that tried to funk him over with prison should feel Threatened by him, and his Mastery to have Escaped evil clutches and still was able to land on his two feet and show the world that he is Bad to the bone. He also knows to whom all praises be to the Glory. God protected him throughout all of his "pains" and Triumps. God gets all of the praise, and MJ gets all of the credot with a little help from his family, friends and extras. That's how it goes.
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« on: April 17, 2011, 12:31:04 PM »
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« on: April 15, 2011, 03:40:02 PM »
I don't think MJ and children lived at that house. I think this hoax is also a movie, and the EMTs were actors or FBI agents. Aren't the police suppose to show up? An officer showed up when my mother passed. Or are they purporting that they weren't called because the patient was still alive when transported from house to UCLA? I think the UCLA footage was filmed earlier also, because we never saw the ambulance pull up to UCLA on 6-25-09. The guys directing traffic were bodyguards, and the EMTs were actors or FBI agents. If the police had of been there, then that tour van would have been turned around in my opinion. 17 on tour van. 71 on Ambulance. MJ had an ambulance at Neverland. The only way I can see a dead body being transported initially is if that address was not the one MJ supposedly lived at and an elderly Asian man did live there or at an address similar in numbers and name, died and was transported to hospital. So the paramedics did take an elderly Asian man to hosipital from said address. Did they say he was alive or dead? I forgot. Or, that entire story could have been planted about the Asian man later. If the 911 call was placed from the Beverly Hills Hotel, then everything else can be thrown out of the window. There are no suppositions to derive from that premise, because all things after that are false and fits an illusion of something real and true being jumpstarted from that call, so in effect all other happenings derive from that call. And why would there be more than one 911 call? If it is a movie, then that address given as MJ's address is a staging/prop address, just like any other houses we see in movies. Remember the house MJ and his girl were in in the Thriller video was a prop. He rented that house strictly as a prop. No one should believe that chef Ms. Chase, because she came late on the scene, and she is probably an actress. Another illusion. I think we should revisit who owned prop house. More later. You are not allowed to view links.
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