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« on: July 29, 2010, 12:50:35 AM »
Cannot edit my post anymore, but I just wanted to add that Mucosa Haemorrages are just tiny bleedings, that's why I'm not sure if you can find the amount of drugs stated in the AR from such a tiny bleeding.
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« on: July 29, 2010, 12:24:53 AM »
Hi......I just find it (as many of us do) soooo odd. that MJ supposedly "DIED" from Propofol Intoxication? And forgive me if we have touched on this but....has there been any other celebrity that have died from such a thing?
I mean yeah I know people die from drug overdoses all the time but has anyone died from PROPOFOL INTOXICATION anyone on the planet:?  Because to me and I have been thinking of this a lot as I am sure we all have! I wonder if MURRAY and some other MEN could have possible HELD MJ DOWN AND FORECABLY INJECTED HIM WITH A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF PROPOFOL> :cry: ? Is this a possibility I mean especially with Oxman saying the amounts that were found in MJ;s system like stomach, behind the eye sockets ect....
The irony in the autopsy report that does not describe propofol in stomach or eye lid. Page 17- Gastrointestinal System observation, page 22 Gross Description does not indicate propofol, page 35 again describes stomach without any propofol, page 36 indicates stomach with hemorrhage- litle blood, no where indication propofol in the eye and NO INDICATION OF ANY FOUND LISTED DRUGS IN THE DECEASED SYSTEM!.
Sorry tried to attach autopsy report, file is too big. You can find in Autopsy thread and read.
Obviously Propofol is not "visible". If present in patient's blood, drugs are gonna be mentioned in "Toxicology Findings", not in the Macroscopical/Microscopical descriptions like in the pages you're pointing out. Question: How is Propofol & Lidocaine in the Stomach Contents. These are both injectable, was MJ drinking them? Could they have been poured on/in the samples? From the AR: there was "Transmural haemorrhage of stomach" consequence of the resuscitative efforts (Page 12. For better description Page 35). The blood (with the drug in it) from the stomach walls got mixed with the stomach contents, therefore the stomach contents are Positive for the drugs (Propofol and Lidocaine). Not 100% sure on this one, because I don't know if you can find such amount of drugs from the blood of a mucosa haemorrhage.
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« on: July 28, 2010, 11:06:00 PM »
Question: Where is the information about Propofol in the eyes for Joe's lawsuit coming from when it is not in the official Autopsy? It was stated in the Official Auopsy Report. Look at your last attachment. "Vitreous Humour" is the substance inside the eye balls. So, there was Propofol in the patient eyes.
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« on: July 21, 2010, 09:14:25 PM »
But how could this be? I've read that the footage meant to be the cover of the "Invincible" album (2001)...
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« on: July 18, 2010, 11:03:44 PM »
So i suppose the people who didn't post anything are against this, like me, right? Yes. I think we can safely say that (we) all the Grey guys and most of the Red guys are against this. Not sure about Green guys. This is my conclusion, I could be wrong, though.
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« on: July 17, 2010, 10:06:48 PM »
@ MJ2981958
did you ever thought ;Why is it that doctors call what they do practice? Hi mjj_fan!  Yes sure, technically they/we are clients if you think about it, but I was curious because this is the very first time I hear/read someone actually using the word "client" when referring to a patient... Know what I mean?
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« on: July 17, 2010, 07:33:23 PM »
Thanks.
I take the time to also add that it takes 6 months of meetings before diagnosing anybody at the level being discussed here and this would be jointly with a clinical psychologist and a doctor in psyachtry face to face with the client and the family members. Meantime, the client is supervised with the trial and error medication untill gets stable.
This is gonna be very off topic, but I'm curious on why do you call "client" to the patient? Just asking
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« on: July 17, 2010, 01:34:49 PM »
I can´t believe what I am reading. Schizophrenia, autism, DID, Mind control...wow....WOW
Post-traumatic strees, leading to anxiety and this combined with seasonal depression it´s what I can "deduct" from videos and that is not even accurate, since we can´t tell when Michael was not acting. As soon as lights were on, he went on the act, he confirmed that. I agree with you. I see people making "on-line diagnoses" in more than one thread, that really should be made by a Genetist, a Psychiatrist or a Psycologist. You need to be a professional, you need experience. They make their diagnoses after meet face to face the patient in a couple or more appointments, they dig deep into their life stories, they need their family's versions sometimes, they need to discuss it with other professionals, to have more than one opinion... And even after all this, you may not going to have a clear/ unique diagnose. The only fact is that we don't know the patient, we don't know his kids and we don't know his story. You can keep speculating if you want, though...
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« on: July 17, 2010, 12:03:20 AM »
A very warm welcome Vani! Enjoy the site!
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« on: July 16, 2010, 11:53:10 PM »
Ok, got it. Thank you. Edit* Good point!! I never figured out what the exact time line was supposed to be. I find it hard to believe that Murray started CPR at 10:52 for numerous reasons... Gosh, you've got me intrigued... Do you wanna share it?...
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« on: July 16, 2010, 11:43:17 PM »
the photo was taken by the police And the Police sold it to News Of The World, so they had to say in their article "it was taken by a family insider"?...
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« on: July 16, 2010, 11:18:03 PM »
Hi wishingstar! I think this is what you're looking for: ... Jackson returned to Carolwood Drive, stopping briefly at its metal gate to greet a small group of fans who had gathered outside his home.
As they pulled into the driveway, the bodyguard Muhammad noticed Dr. Murray's car parked outside the home, just as it had been many nights previously.
Jackson's security personnel escorted him into the house and to the foot of the stairs. No one, except for Murray and Jackson's children, was allowed upstairs... Here's the link to the article: You are not allowed to view links.
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« on: July 16, 2010, 06:31:33 PM »
Also I was wondering, how long (approx) can one person (alone, w/o any help) perform “effective CPR” before getting exhausted?
Murray said he started performing CPR on the bed, from 10:52 to 12:26. He was alone, and he interrupted it several times for:
1-Calling by phone to M. Williams;
2-Go down stairs to the kitchen, asked K. Chase to send Prince to Michael’s bedside;
3- Clean up the room and asking A. Alvarez to hide Propofol.
How could it have been “efective” CPR? You know, 1:30 h of CPR, Dr. Murray alone, on the bed, with all these interruptions... Murray doesn't make sense.
Oh, and what should we assume/what do you believe was the way Dr. Murray assisted Michael’s breathing before Paramedics intubated him?
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« on: July 16, 2010, 06:22:36 PM »
I decided to keep reading this. It's mentioned that the victim remained unresponsive to the CPR/ACLS efforts & his pupils were fixed & dilated, however there's no indication as when the EMT noticed his pupils. We've all heard the rumors circulating about Murray finding Michael with his eyes open. If his eyes were open did Murray close them before the EMT arrive? Did the EMT notice dilation of his pupils after the CPR/ACLS efforts or upon arrival? In the timeline we’ve got, they described Michael’s complete condition (including his pupils) as soon as they were at Michael’s bedside. They do this several times remarking his condition remained the same way. I bet they check this out upon arrival, right?.
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« on: July 15, 2010, 06:17:56 PM »
1) we know he wore a medical bracelet. It shows the medical sign clearly on the front, in the Exley picture. What it was for.... who knows..... I don't care what it was for. I care if he had it on, at the time of death. That was my original question. The mention of thorazine came only because I noticed it was mentioned as an allergy on the paramedic report. I put 2 and 2 together.....if he has a drug allergy, how did they know? Murray? Staff? Kids? ID bracelet? I remembered seeing what looked like an ID bracelet in the Exley picture......sure enough. I searched, and found he did wear it. All sites point to vitiligo and lupus as the reason for the bracelet. I figured the drug was listed as well, just unknown to the general public. The misspelling caught my eye and I dug around gematria: thorizine=124=Michael Jackson thorazine=116=Liberian Girl ..... (what are the odds....that's for another thread, "Coincidences....?")
I never wanted this thread to dig around the theory of mental illness. I just wanted to know if he was wearing the bracelet. I respect all of the opinions and thoughts, but please, try to keep neutral. We need to stay focused and press onward. It's a great group here!
Blessings to each of you!
First time I saw him wearing that medical bracelet was 2004, and last time 2005.
Interesting.....why such a small amount of time? He is a perfectionist for sure. If he didn't want people to see it in pictures, he would have made sure it was out of sight....the Exley pictures for sure. I would think anyways. So, if he stopped wearing it, how did the ER crew know about the allergy? I am sure that was the furthest thing from Murrays' mind at the time.
Thanks for the information!
Have a great day!
(Edit** I can clearly see that he was already wearing the bracelet in the "OK Magazine" footage from Prince's B-Day 2003, and I'm almost sure I can also see the bracelet when he was showing baby Blanket to his fans in Berlin, 2002.) He did have Vitiligo, but I highly doubt he wore an ID Bracelet because of it nor because its treatment (topical treatment, with creams). It was said he had Discoid Lupus, again I don't think he would need a bracelet for that. Since 2005 he didn't wear the bracelet anymore, so I assume Dr. Murray was the source for the Paramedics Report.
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