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Its really weird that people question michael in this attire and even pointy shoulder attire aka "penguin man" because when he sang that intro to speechless I was blown away. Even when he performed "wanna be startin somethin" and "jam". As for "penguin man" "human nature" or "I just can't stop loving you"? Oh I feel offended that it the feeling of those you couldn't tell it was michael. I want clues too but the last thing I wanna do is believe that there was doubles. I believe michael looks different in a lot of shots due to make up or not shaving or even the weight loss that was spoken of by him and his crew due to his creative mind not lettin him sleep or eat. I hear too much about there was no anti gravity lean or moon walks? Well look closer he does moonwalk and although there is no lean he replaced it with some more pretty sweet dance moves for the rehearsals atleast. Everybody expects so much from him and yet I waited and waited for his return to the stage after so long I believe it was the 30th anniversary show and I bought my this is it movie tickets when they went on sale and watched it twice in the theatre. So understand when I watch this is it I don't expect him to break his body during rehearsals if you think otherwise check youtube of his tour rehearsals he doesn't do as much as he did in this is it. Ok I'm rambling now. Sorry.

I dont really get why all of you think he was suppose to be going all out on this "Movie"?> It was rehearsals if  you wanna see a full out version of TII buy or rent Live In Bucharest or his shows in Japan and you will see he misses no lyrics, does all the moves you wanna see, including the same dance routines from TII. Seriously guys, he's been doing the same routine for a long time the J5 medley, the earth song film, smooth criminal, etc just with a different twist everytime. (Same dance routines) Just as he was conserving his voice, im pretty sure he was not performing at full MJ mode. Oh and he does the moonwalk just in place at exactly the time he usually does in Billie Jean and on Smooth Criminal he does it with all his dancers and Who Is It and other songs credited were not performed just featured as instrumentals on some parts. The only 2 others that were "Unfinished" were Dirty Diana and Dangerous as it say on the special edition disc. Sorry if i sounded rude. Not on here much due to alot of mixed emotions and pointing out stuff before they are thought about.

Oh and I wish people would quit saying Michael is all these different people! (hat man, blonde lady, dave dave, Dr Murray? and the newest his own nephew at the grammys.

There is no reason for him to still be around if hes "resting" as that simms lady says or the "clue" in TII. We are starting to act like the media putting out things before we think. He'll be back on his own time! lol. Peace.

Well not to be rude but if we are all Michael fans, seen a concert live or dvd. We would know he does that at the end of each show. So its probably just something he does to thank everyone and let them know he will continue to give us his all. But as all of us I do hope Michael continues to leave us all messages in his own way.

[So I found it weird at the beginning of the show that they talk about michael's "death" then goes to them getting ready to record again for the first time in 20 years? So when they are in the studio they tell janet happy birthday but rememer janet said last time she seen michael was on her birthday and they were laughing and michael was makin fun of her..i dont know where im going with it because its probably edited with footage new and old then put together but just thought it was weird because they had to be in that studio and michael was alive? but they were talkin on how hard it was to do it without michael? so did michael turn them down in advance?]

So I found it weird at the beginning of the show that they talk about michael's "death" then goes to them getting ready to record again for the first time in 20 years? So when they are in the studio they tell janet happy birthday but rememer janet said last time she seen michael was on her birthday and they were laughing and michael was makin fun of her..i dont know where im going with it because its probably edited with footage new and old then put together but just thought it was weird because they had to be in that studio and michael was alive? but they were talkin on how hard it was to do it without michael? so did michael turn them down in advance?

So sorry guys but he's right musically mj was done! He conquered the music circuit what did he have left to prove? Believe me guys im defending mj because really mj is and will always wow people with his music from the 70's 80's 90's to invincible! I was in vegas and "the way you make me feel" with mike on the flat screens the crowd was crazy like he was there?>??> Michaels creativity moved on from music from the controlling and crappy music companies.. michael wanted to do movies because michael could do michael not michael could do sony or motown, george michael cant hold anything to mike...he's a hater and of course he gets attention from bashing michael when mj cant reply.

beLIEve.

The REAL Mike not penguin man or red pants guy!

Edit: Since post i have watched TII so many times, Its Mike all the way

So people honestly think he would leave the bald spot and wear wigs and be a billionaire possibly and not get his scalp fixed or plugs? i beleive he wore wigs but he also had that jet black straight hair too! on that 30th anniversary his hair was short but it was his hair! and that pic was 08 around the 50th like someone said cuz those to pics are identical. arnold klein was workin on his face before his "death" supposely doing alot of work he say so i think mj looked different on TII because of that because i have a TII awesome book and believe me all the pics are mj ALL of them and not counting penguin guy and red pants guy because for some reason they were not in it? lol. we know why...

So it might be Berry Gordy's where they "say" he was at...but its a long shot but im lookin for clues! So here I go..There is  "a ife size statue of Jesus Christ guides the way and the poem ÒIfÓ by Rudyard Kipling is carved 3 meters high in a marble slab overlooking the site." according to this site I posted so lets find out about Rudyard shall we  because he has been known for his poems? maybe one he has holds a clue? But that certain poem i cant find anything but a definition of OIFO saying Office of Investigations Field Office? WTH?

I figured but hey clues are running dry these days and i was listening to that song and said hey! Michael always put messages out to the media through his lyrics exposing their ways. lol. and yeah I did my research and thats why I said I noticed that was the opening song for most of his shows. Alot of TII concept is taken from previous shows just with a little more technology and awesome new dance moves!

peace.

beLIEve.

I dont know if you guys saw this but another gravesite? I saw Karen Fayes pics and also all the talk of the hallway to the masoleum and being inside because he loves the last supper piece?

This one looks outside? and the 3 kids...MJ's kids?

http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/aQtygmwgiHe/Michael+Jackson+s+grave/EMWyHPRefhw/Michael+Jackson

Yeah I saw that too. I purchased a TII Book with a nice amount of photos and stories from wal-mart and no penguin guy or orange pants guy??

Well I am new here but been following pretty much all boards and sites containing hoax believers and investigators so hopefully noone has put this out there but here it goes. If you seen the movie you know the first song of TII is "Wanna Be Startin Somethin" right? Which I must add sticks in my head anytime I think of the Movie. Now lets check some lyrics from the song....

I Took My Baby To The Doctor
With A Fever, But Nothing He Found
By The Time This Hit The Street
They Said She Had A Breakdown
Someone's Always Tryin' To Start My Baby Cryin'
Talkin', Squealin', Lyin'
Sayin' You Just Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'
hook
You Love To Pretend That You're Good
When You're Always Up To No Good
You Really Can't Make Him Hate Her
So Your Tongue Became A Razor
Someone's Always Tryin' To Keep My Baby Cryin'
Talkin', Screamin', Lyin'
You Got My Baby Cryin'
hook
Billie Jean Is Always Talkin'
When Nobody Else Is Talkin'
Tellin' Lies And Rubbin' Shoulders
So They Called Her Mouth A Motor
Someone's Always Tryin' To Start My Baby Cryin'
Talkin', Squealin', Spyin'
Sayin' You Just Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'
hook
You're A Vegetable, You're A Vegetable
Still They Hate You, You're A Vegetable
You're Just A Buffet, You're A Vegetable
They Eat Off Of You, You're A Vegetable

Now the Kicker for me...

Lift Your Head Up High
And Scream Out To The World
I Know I Am Someone
And Let The Truth Unfurl
No One Can Hurt You Now
Because You Know What's True
Yes, I Believe In Me
So You Believe In You
Help Me Sing It, Ma Ma Se,
Ma Ma Sa, Ma Ma Coo Sa
Ma Ma Se, Ma Ma Sa,
Ma Ma Coo Sa

Not saying he purposely wrote this song that long ago for a hoax but well.. it kinda worked out that way i guess because we all know alot of people love him but there are also alot that are out to get him and hurt his good character. So key parts that stick out to me are...

" Someone's Always Tryin' To Start My Baby Cryin'
Talkin', Squealin', Lyin'"- the media,

" You're A Vegetable, You're A Vegetable
Still They Hate You, You're A Vegetable
You're Just A Buffet, You're A Vegetable
They Eat Off Of You, You're A Vegetable"- the media and accusers,

"  You Love To Pretend That You're Good
When You're Always Up To No Good
You Really Can't Make Him Hate Her" -the media, and my favorite

"I Know I Am Someone
And Let The Truth Unfurl
No One Can Hurt You Now
Because You Know What's True
Yes, I Believe In Me
So You Believe In You"- escape and the hoax.

Again im not saying it was wrote for the hoax but it could be a clue because it was the first song? but then again if you know Mike and seen his shows they pretty much are the same as TII in regards to the choreography and music arrangements(timing) so it could be just following his old concerts sequences? but let me say this because im rambling Michael ALWAYS knew the media was after him and at times Michael played with them so this song could be relevent even though it was written years ago talking about and exposing the media and their lies and public manipulation in present time as well settin up for the hoax! Michael stood up for what he believed and that was the TRUTH and he was the same then as he is now so FTM! (hope i dont have to explain that) Well I hope I didnt make too bad of a first post because I have seen some first time posters get shredded up by this forum!

Peace