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The Memorial / Re: I don't get this, morning of the memorial
« on: January 20, 2011, 04:27:10 PM »
The origin of the pictures published is listed under the pictures of the Jackson members in the car, INFdaily.com.
What, if TMZ doesn't own the rights to the pictures, and bought or lent them only for a short time to be published on their website? They have to take them off after a while or have to pay longer. Just a thought.
Read their terms and conditions.
INFdaily.com has 'the world's best celebrity images' and you can log in as a client. TMZ may be a client.

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The Memorial / Re: I don't get this, morning of the memorial
« on: January 20, 2011, 03:06:23 AM »
Both men wearing the same yellowtie.
Never have I seen family members wearing yellow ties at a memorial, the usual color is normally black, unless of course there is no dead person to mourn.

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Batshit / Re: Dieter Weisner: Batshit went through Mike's luggage
« on: January 18, 2011, 09:21:09 PM »
Neither do I.

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Batshit / Re: Dieter Weisner: Batshit went through Mike's luggage
« on: January 18, 2011, 09:05:50 PM »
Uri Geller was negotiating to have the contact with Bashir and it's been said, another offer had been turned down.
Why was there such an interest in B. to get the deal? I wonder what he wanted to find (out) by going through his luggage. Spies tend to do that. Seems Michael sometimes trusted the wrong people, because he was trustworthy himself and others had another agenda, but didn't show their true colors. B. had perfect inside knowledge after such a long time of contact with him. Does Uri G. play an important role here? If yes, why?
He was a "good friend" after all.
Dieter Wiesner was convinced it broke Michael and was the beginning of his suffering. He felt betrayed.

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References & Similarities / Re: This was sent to me a few days ago
« on: January 18, 2011, 07:45:35 PM »
Esther has written one single post here on the forum, introducing herself shortly and referring to her blog (to be found in the section: Other theories, on 3rd January 2011)

She said that she had a dream one year ago (18th January 2010) about Michael's situation and didn't know how to begin with to get the message through (to us).
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Events That Led To the ‘Missing’ of Michael Jackson – God Reveals – 3 (“he was forced to hoax his death”)
Filed under: From God's Heart by "Esther" — 3 Comments
January 13, 2011

This is the passage in which she described Carmen's version of the effects of Propofol, given to an already dead person. Now I am sure she speaks of the Carmen who wrote a lot in the Thaiindian paper, who had repeatedly said to have received serious threats if she continued researching. She had always claimed, she had quite substantial proof of her findings and kept them safe somewhere. Suddenly she stopped posting and now we hear she is a friend of a friend, so she is still around and Esther knows this board. It can be assumed, she reads here and can tell Carmen about it. I remember there was a discussion, Carmen didn't want to join a board for various personal reasons.
Esther's (and Carmen's?) theory would be:
A dead body, but Michael alive
A brother involved, savior in the end
Michael can only come back, when people don't think, he hoaxed his death
I just don't know if I fully comprehend the message and theory.
Does it mean, he survived and someone else died / was murdered?
Another theory again, not a new one, but not yet dead.
And what is de troot? Murray is no help either.
Reading Esther's blog with all the religious references and God's guidance make me think of fables with animals telling the story. By slipping into a role (of an animal like a fox or cat or whatever) and not writing in their own words, authors were able to convey a message in a subliminal way, without getting in danger of being persecuted if they spoke of unwanted truth which had to remain hidden from the evil-doers' perspective. God knows everything, he knows the truth. So if she claims to have received the message through him, she doesn't say, she knows, but God, and God cannot be attacked. She may be afraid and fear not to be protected enough or have enough evidence or power to present her theory as the truth.
She seems confident with Michael being alive, whereas Carmen's theory was more of the kidnapping and Michael still being in danger, or even the unthinkable.
But Michael as Dave Dave on Larry King Live and so on and so on, nothing adds up.
Everything is just so strange. What a journey. A criminal case, witness protection program, a hoax, a hoax of a hoax, a cover-up, a movie, a BAM planned, an unsolved puzzle (forever?)
How should a judge find out the ultimate truth and justice if an army of fans researching their butts off have gained a lot of knowledge and personal growth, but still haven't found the answer to the question of all questions.

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TIAI ~ 2011 / Re: TIAI January 16
« on: January 16, 2011, 06:50:23 PM »
What you found out by research is quite interesting. The opposite of what he said later in life. His message here is really Christian and full of love, tolerance and compassion for a religious group, he even called brothers. But again, how shall we know today, what he uttered in a completely different time. He might have changed his mind, and it is difficult to see why so radically. He might have become a bitter, rude man with old age and deteriorating health. I was shocked to read his ideas of extinguishing a group of people for their religious belief, Jesus having been of Jewish descent himself.

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TIAI ~ 2011 / Re: TIAI January 16
« on: January 16, 2011, 06:07:01 PM »
Quote from: "trublu"
hmmmm...

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In his later years, Luther became strongly antisemitic, writing that Jewish homes should be destroyed, their synagogues burned, money confiscated and liberty curtailed. These statements have made Luther a controversial figure among many historians and religious scholars.[8]

Sounds like he was quite racist and hateful.

If I think I had been a Jew, living at that time, I would have feared for my life. Spreading antisemitic paroles in such a way is the opposite of love, rather rudeness and hate against a minority. So I wonder if he helped pave the way for hate against a religious group by his influence in future generations. Religious tolerance looks different in my opinion. Why did he hate them so much that he suggests destroying their churches, their homes, I do not understand? If I understand it right, he directed his fury against the ordinary people, not against an elite-group. But even then, his ideas seem rather drastic, and hadn't they been carried out centuries later by others in an inhumane way?
What does the redirect want to express then? He was a zealous religious reformer, ok. Does the redirect warn us how blind racism and intolerance can lead to hate? ML's views concerning anti-Judaism and anti-semitism are in contrast to MLK's views (yesterday's redirect), who used to be against racism and preach peace. I do understand MLK's message. Sorry, but I couldn't accept ML as a religious "leader" if he preached religious intolerance. I understand Michael Jackson's message as one of love and understanding, not hate in any form against innocent people.
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Luther advocated setting synagogues on fire, destroying Jewish prayerbooks, forbidding rabbis from preaching, seizing Jews' property and money, and smashing up their homes, so that these "poisonous envenomed worms" would be forced into labour or expelled "for all time".[202] In Robert Michael's view, Luther's words "We are at fault in not slaying them" amounted to a sanction for murder.[203]
Martin Luther's strong antisemitism as described here is new to me, history books or religious books seem not to tell much about this "dark side" of a famous influential man, at least I don't recall having read it. So this redirect taught me more about it. The purpose might have been a different one, though. But a redirect alone, without any further comment, leaves space for a variety of interpretations.

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Others / Re: I'm worried about Usher
« on: January 15, 2011, 06:28:38 AM »
Scary indeed, all alarm-clocks are ringing.

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References & Similarities / Re: RE: This was sent to me a few days ago
« on: January 15, 2011, 12:37:01 AM »
She speaks of a friend of a friend, Carmen. There was a Carmen speaking of kidnapping on a Thaiindian page, but some of her posts got deleted as some other posters said. I am not sure if she means her or someone else.

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Others / Re: I'm worried about Usher
« on: January 15, 2011, 12:00:01 AM »
Visitors can get their money back, they can't keep their tickets.
His OMG-tour (the name!) shows will be a tight schedule, nearly every night through places in Europe and Australia until March this year, a lot for a healthy person. The next three concerts have been canceled due to health problems and the following postponed to a later date. They should have done it before he had to be on stage in such a precarious condition. He had been looking forward to his concert on Twitter and promised to deliver a good show, but somehow couldn't. You don't travel around the world to be on stage silent, he must have felt terrible, one, if not the most embarassing moment in his life in front of a, in parts, merciless crowd.

I've read some comments of visitors, they show mixed feelings, some are concerned and will come back many times and are full of support, whereas others don't show any compassion.
One female visitor wrote, she had a video (probably a private video), where it could be seen, how

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And it´s a mess, that the management or organizers constrained him to go on stage!!! I have a video where you can SEE, that one of those guys next to stage made an threatening gesture to Usher, that he has to move on, although he nearly was turning over. Shame on you, he´s not a robot!!!!!
ushernow.com (his official website)

Being an artist on a stage can mean being very lonely at times. (I imagine him sitting in his hotel room late at night. It was reported he spent time at a bar, but they report a lot as we know by now). We only see the outside, the glamour and the money they make. It is a hard business. I hope for him it is "just" a cold, a flu, because then he can get well again in about one or two weeks time and be and make an audience happy in new concerts. If there is more behind it, like a burn-out, or management pressure in a form unknown to the public, then we may have another victim of the system.

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References & Similarities / Re: RE: This was sent to me a few days ago
« on: January 14, 2011, 08:19:31 PM »
Quote from: "all4loveandbelieve"
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
Quote from: "nefari"
Not wanting to go off of this OP topic but this does tie into the conversation somewhat. I have been wondering if the 1999 Munich incident with the falling stage bridge/bucket was not a hit attempt in itself and maybe someone was trying to kill Michael for a long time and he had to escape for that reason.

i have had the same thoughts about that.


 So did I, have the same thoughts, Everything what happened to Michael is for a reason. The reason was evil.. You know we can speculate until we are blue in the face, we will probably never know the reason, until Michael comes out and tell us.
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You know the youtube video of a person who looks like Michael, the recent one, where he was in a condo of some sort. How about if he is the real Michael asking for help.
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Can the youtube video be found somewhere, a link maybe? Haven't seen it. Nothing seems to be impossible.

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Others / Re: I'm worried about Usher
« on: January 14, 2011, 07:51:53 PM »
What a tragedy!  :shock:  Many thoughts appear like ghosts: Elvis' last appearance on stage - like in trance, how he once was seen forced to appear on stage when feeling unable to, by tossing his head in ice-water in order for him to be able to perform  - no matter what. The money machine, unable to function always. Usher's words, to follow Michael as the next superstar (not sure if he really said so), people's reaction to it, Usher's involvement / interest in scientology (not sure again, if only a rumor). Is someone trying to destroy him by ruining his career, by sending false rumors into the world? Whitney Houston's concert, and last, but not least, Michael Jackson's 50 concert tour, he couldn't do. They are all only humans, and sometimes they just can't do, what they would like to and did perfectly before.

We don't know yet, what really happened with Usher before. He has to fulfill his contract, a lot of money will be lost for his company. But if you are ill, there should always be ways to cancel a concert tour before appearing on stage. He tried, and there are so many reasons why he just couldn't perform. They also said he had balance problems. Only he himself knows what went wrong. Was he pushed to the limits like so many before him? I have bad feelings, something doesn't seem to be right.  :roll:  :?

He needs rest now to recover from this and I wish him the best to be the old one again.

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You Know I'm Smooth, I'm
Bad, You Know It
(Bad Bad-Really, Really Bad)
;)

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Michael Jackson News / Re: New Version Ambulance Pic on the net, ZOOM OUT
« on: January 08, 2011, 05:08:53 PM »
Quote from: "bec"
It's got to be a dummy.

This guy's nose looks kinda like that. Guy on the left that is... and he might not even have needed to have a left arm for this film  :lol:

When looking at Michael's ear in this picture I see a more rounded left ear, like a cute baby has, whereas the left ear on the ambulance photo is shaped like a triangle, with the sideburns adjacent. Did Michael ever have such sideburns? I never noticed them.
I remember one impersonator had such similar shaped ear form, but do not recall his name at the moment.
The darker complexion and color of the face resembles ECas', without MJ-impersonator make-up, more Asian descent. Maybe ECas as MJ impersonator stood model for a dummy, or it was the living one on the stretcher. I don't see any resemblance to the other Dimitriu guy mentioned.
Michael's face was rather white, not to say pale as porcelain skin. The ambulance guy looks different and  younger.

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Would be nice if TS could predict whether Hat Man (and The Blonde Lady?) are attending a birthday party on the 8th of January.

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