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It all sound s a litle like the three parts in a magicians trick (movie the Prestige f.e.)

From IMDB:
First, there's "The Pledge," where the magician shows you something ordinary, like a bird. Then, there's "The Turn," where he does something extraordinary, like make the bird disappear. But this isn't enough. There always has to be a third act, "The Prestige," where you have a twist, and bring the bird back, before the audience will clap.

In MJ's case:

The Pledge - Anounce and performance in this is it. Pretty Ordinary for someone like MJ

The Turn - He dissapears (dies?)

The Pledge - Will this be the surprising end?

Michael Jackson News / Re: Mystery performance Timor Steffens in TVOH
« on: January 16, 2011, 07:38:56 AM »
The show was last friday on dutch television. Unfortunately it was not as big is they pretended. Timor showed some (very nice) dance moves in one of the contestans performances. No word about MJ in the whole show to be heard...

You'were right, just some marketing...

Michael Jackson News / Mystery performance Timor Steffens in TVOH
« on: January 14, 2011, 02:29:47 AM »
Tonight Timor Steffens is going to perform in the dutch Television show The Voice Off Holland.

This performance is hidden in Mystery. On of the candidates is even saying he's performing with him (Ben Saunders, you may now him from youtube) or with MJ!!!!

Here's the link to the dutch article:

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Other Odd Things / Are they just attention seeking?
« on: March 12, 2010, 02:25:44 PM »
For a couple of weeks now, a dutch television show does an weekly interview with some 'celebrity' people from holland and also other places in the world. This show (van der Vorst ziet sterren) has covered a lot of people that were involved with MJ in the last few shows.

- Timor Steffens
- Jermain Jackson
- Lou Feringo

Why do these people all of a sudden, need so much attention in front of a camera and tell how they felt about Michael. Is it for us to remember him (like we forget about him, duh), or is this just to keep him in the news on a highly regular basis. Just to let people think about him and let go away the thoughts of him being dead!

Is this dutch television show the only one, or have other countries also shows with so many MJ news / articles / interviews?

Michael Jackson News / Re: regarding the TII dancers/auditions?
« on: February 01, 2010, 05:45:16 AM »
The dutch dancer, Timor Steffens, didn't have any connection to Jackson or Ortega before TII. However, he made it to be with the 11 choosen dancers.

He was second best in the TV show: So you think you can dance!

I agree with the fact that the rehearsals and auditions took place in a very small time frame. A frame too small for a mega production that TII was told to be (unless it always was planned as a rehearsal movie). Besides, in TII the movie, there's hardly any song show completely. The dancers seem to be far from ready.

Blood on the Dancefloor / Re: Morphine lyrics
« on: January 28, 2010, 07:54:55 AM »
I found it odd they used this song in the trailers/leaders of dutch television show "My name is michael". The emphasize was on the slow part where MJ sang about demerol...

As far as I now, this song has never been officially released as a single. It's a song not many people know who are only MJ fan after his death.

I don't know if it means anything, but it sounded strange to me. They could have used so many songs in that place...

Other Odd Things / Re: why 25th june
« on: January 21, 2010, 07:00:45 AM »
Oops!!  :oops: To be honest, I saw that 70 day comparison in another topic/forum. Maybe it was not the burial, but some other day/date. One member, however, pointed this out.

I started seacrhing for it right now....

It was this topic:

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Using the "7" system and all things centered around that first and foremost, and then using other clues, I will explain and predict the following:

Will 07/07/02. Memorial 07/07/09. Exactly a 7 year difference. Funeral on 09/03/09 which was exactly "70" days after "death." (7 X 10 = the "10" indicates the year 2010).

Michael's resurrection will be exactly "7" months from the date of his burial and that would 04/03/2010. 4 + 3 = 7 "AND" this is Easter weekend! This would tie into Criss Angel's beLIEve poster, would explain why Janet had on an "Easter" dress in November for her ABC interview, why her final statement was "I keep waiting for him to call and say Dunk, it's me!"

It would also explain why the "red roses" at the memorial were replaced with "white lillies" and Irises at the "funeral" since they bloom in springtime. It would also explain Kenny Ortega's strange tweet about "I'm back" in the springtime when the flowers are all in bloom.

Being that Easter weekend relates to Biblical resurrection, it would also tie into Mike's final pose in the movie (on the cross, crucifixion.) and his sign language saying "I will reveal myself to you" just before that final still of the movie.

04/03/2010 is the day before Easter Sunday in 2010. I think this all fits in with everything perfectly! JMO though...what do you think? :D I also think his resurrection will be magical and will include Cirque du Soleil in some fashion. Criss Angel is doing a show in Las Vegas on 04/03/2010 and since Michael was working with him, I bet Criss Angel brings him back during a switch on stage and it will be "magical!"

However, this doesn't change anything in my opinion. This hoax was verry well planned and pulled off excellent till now. I also think those slip ups could be part of the plan... just to confuse people.

Other Odd Things / Re: why 25th june
« on: January 21, 2010, 04:54:10 AM »
I think it was carefully choosen. 6 months before christmas. Also exactly six months after someone (can't remember his name right now) told MJ has only six months to live. Just three weeks before TII started. It may even be the reason why TII was delayed one week. This way Michael could still be in his LA Mansion and some stuff would be easier and less ilegal to realize when executing the hoax. If the show was to start one week earlier, he would have been in London already. Remember, they were packing to leave in e few days.

Besides, not only june 25th 2009 (2+5=7 9-2=7 )is carefully chosen, also the memorial, the burial, release of TII. All dates are connected one way or the other. The memorial had the PT Barnum Link, the burial was 70 days after the memorial. count 70 days from the burial and it's easter 2010. .

Even the family arriving too late at the burial may be planned. They needed to arrive when it was already dark. This made it easier to cover for errors in the studio while recording the burial (remember the strong evidence green screens and studio lamps are used).

You could be right. Especially the part where we were told to believe that MJ has only 6 months to live. He died at the exact date that was written in this media fortune.

Could it be the source of that message was into the hoax too, or was he just someone who received some clues about the hoax and wanted the world to know.

My bet is, that person knows about the hoax and that message was one of the big clues. This message was used to sample peoples reactions on his possible death. Some weeks later, MJ strikes back showing he's alive and well doing the O2 conference announcing TII. The confusion has started.

From now on all kind of contradicting stories reach the media. Even Michael himself said he didn't want to do 50 shows. All these contradictions led us to where we are now in our hoax investigations. Everything was carefully planned.

Now about 5 brothers enterprises. I saw that domain was only created on the 12th of December 2009. That's 22 months later than the start of the company. On December 13th they decided to also register the ORG domain. This one is registered through a Canadian host based in Toronto. Why wait so long with registering. Domain names are of a very high value, why not register it immediately and prevent others from using it?

Wow that's a pretty impressive list of songs. Which are (could be) in some way connected to the hoax:

Let me analyse a few in random order:

- Roxy Music/Brian Ferry: Avalon
Avalon was a mystic place according to the legend, which no one could find. It's said King Arthur is buried there. Maybe Michael is in "Avalon" now. We know he's somewhere, but don't know where (place without no name???)

- Beastie boys: Fight for you're right
His trials, the media that tried to break him. Speaks for itself. Now the fight is on  again and Michael is the puppet master.

- Maddness: Our house
Save the world (house). The message at the end of TII

- Björk: it's oh so quiet
May be the silence before the storm, or maybe a message that Michael is alive and enjoying a happy life in freedom without any media attention.

- Depeche Mode - Enjoy the Silence
Same as Song of Björk

- George Michael: Freedom
Freedom for the world (Heal the world), or his own freedom

- Guns 'n Roses: Welcome to the jungle
A message to the world (Jungle) we live in. Every thing in life is hectic.

- Robert Palmer: Addicted to love
A message Michael said more than once L.O.V.E

- Eurhythmics - Miracle of Love
Did I mention allready Michael talked about L.O.V.E a lot?

- U2: Stay (Faraway so close)
He's hiding, but still with us (hence all those clues like this music list)

- Queen: The Show must go on
Will this be a sign a comeback is most likely, or does he want us to remember him and go on with our lives

- Everything But the girl: Missing
He's somewhere but we don't know where

- U2: Desire
His desire to live a happy life, without media trying to break him.

- The Police: Every little thing she does is magic
Every song and video Michael dis has something magically. Reference to neverland (peterpan, tinkerbell). Reference to the cooperation with that illusionist?

- Britney Spears: Circus
Refering to the media circus/hype around celebrities

I think everything had to be as real as possible. It is also possible that the initial plans were to go on with the show. at some points in time something bad may have happenend to Michael which lead him to fake his death.

Other Odd Things / Re: New This Is It clips from sony!
« on: January 15, 2010, 12:33:11 AM »
I think these clips may contain  lots of new information for us. I will have a look at them while I'm back home tonight

im watching the show and if he comes back in the finale I WILL LITERALLY SCREAM MY HEAD OFF JUMP ON MY BED AND RIP DOWN MY RIP MJ POSTER LOL AND BUY I NEW ONE :D

That would be really great. However, I don't know in which countries the Jacksons soap is aired. I know America en Here in the Netherlands it started last friday, So technically we're running two/three weeks behind). Isn't a comeback something you wan't the whole world to know at almost the same time.

Doing it in this show is not the right place. It will and must be massive breaking news. Just like the news of him dying... The whole world talked about it.

Other Odd Things / Re: DON'T FALL FOR IT!
« on: January 12, 2010, 04:17:55 AM »
You could be so right with your post!

The only problem I can see with that small theory: A comeback is impossible!

If they try 'so hard' to let us think MJ is really dead, they need him to be dead/hidden. Like he's in some kind of witness protection program and they cannot allow the masses to know.

Ofcourse there is us: The hoax believers. At the moment they can easily put our theories aside as we are just some poor and crazy 'small group' with strange ideas about Michael not being dead... If that group grows to large, the hoax will be more difficult to maintain... Let alone if the media jumps in on it

Other Odd Things / Re: What Michael said to US
« on: December 28, 2009, 07:37:34 AM »
I think TII also shows us something else:

Troughout the whole movie, we can see Michael in control of everything. He want's everything to be perfect.  He's even directing the people who should direct him. Kenny Ortega even asks if he could do anything else for Michael in one part! Is it normal for an employee (Michael) let his boss (Kenny) ask this?

The point of view given about Michael in control, fits perfect into the hoax theories. Michael wanted everything to be perfect and was able to make things perfect. This hoax could even be his masterpiece. Everything looks like it is carefully planned and executed: even all 'coincidences'. It's definitely something Michael could pull off... Maybe the only celebrity in the world ever...

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