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I go with the chessmaster theory - combined with the movie theory and the theory that he wants to clear his reputation and probably teach us all a lesson.

I firmly believe that Michael holds all ends in his hands. I believe that he is powerful in the business and maybe even beyond. To me the theory of him being a poor, naive victim is like a role he played.

I like the idea for this thread.

Yeah! Looks like Michael indeed.

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Is it me or does this picture of Michael look NOTHING like him...?? :?  Everytime I look at it, it doesn't give me that feeling. All the other small pictures of him around the main central one DO look like him. Its just the big main one that doesn't convince me.

No! It is not just you. I feel exactly the same way. The center pic is not Michael. The eyes are not Michael. At first sight I thought it is just because the painter did not manage to really catch Michael, but then I realized that all, really all other portraits are very good. Me, too, I see Michael in all those small pics around the main one but not in the center portrait. Really strange.

I don't think that that main porttrait points to the Bad era. To me it looks more like Thriller or Victory era.

[Factual Clues]

I am starting to notice themes in this adventure and one of them is "The Burn Victim". Here are all the connections I made to this theme, some based on fact and some based on speculation.

Factual Clues
- Michael Jackson was driven to UCLA via a Los Angeles Ambulance vehicle. Here is a google search of their vehicles: http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Lo ... 24&bih=403. Notice it says in big white letters Los Angeles Fire Department. Yes, this may be a bit of a stretch to say it's a clue but it's funny given the rest of these connections.

- Soon after June 25th, Footage of Michael Jackson's hair burning incident was released for public consumption. Please note Miko Brando being the first to come rescue him.
[youtube:3ikmdhr6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgb-zCnz9mE[/youtube:3ikmdhr6]
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I want to give you one more thing which belongs in that theme: 9282

The fact that the burn accident is the exact middle of Michael's life emphasizes your findings. With this accident a man who never used drugs became an addict. A man who was healthy and beautiful and successful and on his way up to the top and higher and richer and and and. With this accident everything changed, everything went down from this day in Michael's life which happens to be the exact middle in his life.

I know I'm exaggerating but I want to make a point here. The burn victim theme is very important and I see 9282 as an exclamation mark to your findings looking4truth.

When I first watched it, I was asking myself who the people in the kitchen are. This house looks empty but it does not seem to be abandoned. Maybe the state we see there is a transition period. Maybe the house is cleaned from the desecration that Michael had to experience there and is made a new home for him.

I can't imagine a place where he might be more logical than Neverland.

I can see scull and bones - a symbol for death. And the butterfly might be a symbol for metamorphosis.

Cool!

By the way where does that path lead us?

Here Michael's fake nose looks the bigger one  :)

And the fake nose seems to be longer too... Anyway, they are different in many ways... their whole faces, not just their noses  :)

I see clearly Michael's very small, narrow nose in LKL DD. When I look at these nares I can't help but smile. This is exactly Michael's nose with the fake nose on it, but still so visible. Its narrowness is not garbled. The real Dave's nose is broader.

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[youtube:1mz8lt1u]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArOfcUZSDIU[/youtube:1mz8lt1u]

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[youtube:1mz8lt1u]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHOt3zhyZvc[/youtube:1mz8lt1u]

[Souza.. I swear.. It is so familiar to me.. I dont know where I heared it before.. THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME I HEARD THE SONG.. I am just searching like hell to find where I heard it before!!]

I don't know why, but this song sounds so familiar...

Souza.. I swear.. It is so familiar to me.. I dont know where I heared it before.. THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME I HEARD THE SONG.. I am just searching like hell to find where I heard it before!!

This is the song I meant:

[youtube:1c2kuxox]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QIvXG-8vrU[/youtube:1c2kuxox]

Uaaah! I have to say it: I love Robert Long and I did not expect to find a video of Robert Long here  :lol:

The content of the song at least is a lot the same. Thank you for the video by the way.

Am I the only one who doesn't believe in the Doubles Theroy? All I am saying is that to me, it was MJ in the movie. What did he have to prove by putting doubles in the movie? There were confirmed doubles for long shots that were going to be there during the live performances but all performers do that, it isn't new.

No! You are not the only one.

You really think that he does look like Michael? Look at his nose and his make-up in general ...

Has anyone here ever seen the eyes in the wall in the short film "Ghosts"? During the "Is This Scary" dance part by the skeleton you can see Michael's eyes in the wall. When the movie was fresh, me and a friend, watched it so often and we thought back then we are going crazy, because we were seeing things. Now it starts to make sense.

No I haven't seen it yet. I watched the part on yt again but couldn't find it. Maybe the video quality is too crappy to see such a detail. Could you give a link and say at which minute?

No! You will not see these eyes in a YouTube. It is really very vague. The exact minute? I will give you the exact minute from the forthcoming "Vision" dvd. I have Ghosts on video tape, I don't think it will help you if I gave you the minute on that tape. But it is during the skeleton dancing high above in the wall behind the skeleton.

o.k. thanks, so we will refresh that toppic when the DVD has been released.

As I promised I give you the exact minute now: Disc 2:  1:48:18.

But I have to admit that it is not easy to see these eyes and you have to stop and look at the still. I mixed up the video "Ghosts" for the short film "Ghost". In the short film the eyes are there for a longer period. In the video it is really only during that specific minute.

Now I describe where you might see the eyes. Above the skeleton you see a triangle and above that you have a candelabrum. The top of the triangle and bottom edge of the candelabrum nearly meet and exactly in between on their left and their right they are, a shadow in the wall. Look at the triangle as being Michael's surgical mask covering his nose.

I recommend that you watch the short film and there these eyes are a bit easier to see, but you now have an idea where they are.

Sorry for being long-winded with my explanation.

Has anyone here ever seen the eyes in the wall in the short film "Ghosts"? During the "Is This Scary" dance part by the skeleton you can see Michael's eyes in the wall. When the movie was fresh, me and a friend, watched it so often and we thought back then we are going crazy, because we were seeing things. Now it starts to make sense.

No I haven't seen it yet. I watched the part on yt again but couldn't find it. Maybe the video quality is too crappy to see such a detail. Could you give a link and say at which minute?

No! You will not see these eyes in a YouTube. It is really very vague. The exact minute? I will give you the exact minute from the forthcoming "Vision" dvd. I have Ghosts on video tape, I don't think it will help you if I gave you the minute on that tape. But it is during the skeleton dancing high above in the wall behind the skeleton.

[lilith:]

lilith:

You said: "I'm wondering about Michael's relation with Sony all the time. I don't think they are fighting. I would not be surprised if we would find out that Michael IS Sony in the end. Isn't it the case that Michael owns half of the music rights owned by Sony? Isn't it the story (at least one story) that Michael gave half of his ATV to Sony and in return got the half of Sony? And since then we speak Sony-ATV ... am I loosing it completely?"

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Michael does NOT own half of Sony, and didn't get anything (other than MONEY) for ceding 50% of the ATV catalog to Sony. Here's some info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony/ATV_Music_Publishing
http://www.sony.com/SCA/outline/atv.shtml
http://investing.businessweek.com/resea ... Id=2527214

Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLC operates as a music publishing company.  The company owns or administers copyrights and catalogs by artists. It holds rights on songs, including compositions recorded by The Beatles.  The company licenses its songs for use in movies, television, and advertising; and collects royalties for its songwriters.  The company was incorporated in 1995 and is based in Los Angeles, California.  As of November 8, 1995, Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLC operates as a subsidiary of Sony Music Entertainment, Inc.

Sony Music Entertainment is a wholly owned subsidiary of Sony Corporation of America (SCA), which in turn is a subsidiary of Japan's Sony Corporation, headquartered in Tokyo.

http://www.sonymusic.com/
http://www.sony.com/index.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Music_Entertainment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corpo ... of_America

Here's the official history of Sony Corp:
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/CorporateI ... story.html

Organizational chart of Sony Group:
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/CorporateI ... ation.html

Senior Management of Sony/ATV:
Martin Bandier, Chairman & CEO, Sony/ATV Music Publishing
Jody Gerson, Co-President, Sony/ATV Music Publishing (Los Angeles)
Danny Strick, Co-President, Sony/ATV Music Publishing (New York)
Peter Brodsky, Executive Vice President for Business & Legal Affairs, Sony/ATV Music Publishing

Warner Music Group is a competitor of Sony Music Entertainment.

Anyhow, my point is that the ATV catalog is just a part of Sony Music Entertainment (SME), and "Sony" is a behemoth umbrella organization which comprises many companies. To say MJ owns half of Sony sounds naive to me.  I guess we usually mean SME or SCA when referring to "Sony"... But even then there's no indication of MJ owning much of it.

Okay you are surely right. I was referring to the musical rights. Of course Sony is more than musical rights. I was over exaggerating. Sorry for that.

3. Ghost Manor Music? Like in the videogame Ghost Manor? I played that a lot when I was a kid, but no company with that name to be found: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=Ghost+Manor+Music

from the Phantom Manor Garden in Disneyland Paris comes this:[attachment=1:axjwg011]phantom manor garden Disneyland Paris.jpg[/attachment:axjwg011]

http://www.photosmagiques.com/gallery/d ... _manor.php

it's the same effect like in the Interview of Oprah with LMP[attachment=0:axjwg011]screenshot lmp on oprah with eye marked.jpg[/attachment:axjwg011]

interesting, isn't it?
let's enjoy our ride through the tunnel of horror, we can't escape anyway :lol:

Has anyone here ever seen the eyes in the wall in the short film "Ghosts"? During the "Is This Scary" dance part by the skeleton you can see Michael's eyes in the wall. When the movie was fresh, me and a friend, watched it so often and we thought back then we are going crazy, because we were seeing things. Now it starts to make sense.

About Sony: Mike kept releasing albums with Sony, even after his 2002 London speech. If he really had such a problem with Sony, why stay there? Why sign another contract with Sony? Why did Sony get to release TII while they didn't even offer the highest price? If the Estate would be so money hungry, why not take the highest bid? Mike had a problem with Motolla, why are you all so sure he had such a problem with Sony? Who says he didn't work it out with Sony after Motolla was fired? Clearly Sony thought that MJ was more important than that mafioso.

I'm wondering about Michael's relation with Sony  all the time. I don't think they are fighting. I would not be surprised if we would find out that Michael IS Sony in the end. Isn't it the case that Michael owns half of the music rights owned by Sony? Isn't it the story (at least one story) that Michael gave half of his ATV to Sony and in return got the half of Sony? And since then we speak Sony-ATV ... am I loosing it completely?