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I've looked around and do not see where this has been discussed under this thread.  But I admit I've been accused of being blind as a bat.

There is something headed our way this year that could have devastating affects on our planet. I'm wondering if MJ found out about it and is what he meant by "We only have 4 years".   I know some feel he was talking about 2012.  However, there are those that believe he was speaking to 2011.  I've felt 2011 but I couldn't connect the “dots”, that is until the last 6-8 months.  

As some are aware, throughout the history of our planet there is “something” that passes very near to our planet every 3600 – 4000 years and has been tied to catastrophic damages.  For several years we've been told it is due to swing our way again the end of 2012.  However not too long ago we were being told 2011, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login - see the last couple of minutes of this video.

So what if it’s the “comet” ELEnin (I don't believe it's a comet but that's neither here nor there) which is due this summer, 2011 instead of 2012.  It's said ELEnin's effects will go to Dec and beyond?  

What if 20-30 years ago TPTB decided to push the idea of 2012 so they wouldn’t have to deal with a panic, which in turn would give them more time to get their “houses” in order.   By the time the general public “got it” they would be snug in or at least have their underground cities or bunkers in place.   Could that be true, I don't know. I darn sure wouldn't put it past 'em. Would you?

There are astrologers that believe ELEnin is the cause of the increased earthquakes over the last several years and as it draws closer will cause the type of damage our history has spoken of that has at times done away with life on this planet.  We are talking about earthquakes, floods, and volcano activities that would cause an “ELE”, an “Extinction Level Event”.  Here is a link to a vid that explains this a bit more, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login, but don’t take this as gospel.  Please do your own research.  

While I feel the world needs to be made aware of what TPTB are doing to our societies, a potential life ending event is something I feel MJ could have stumbled across in his studies or was told about and may be something he would "put it all on the line for" in order to try and make mankind aware of.  I hope I’m wrong about ELEnin but…

Please don't make this a thread of fussing and fighting.  That won’t help us in figuring out why MJ would have taken such a drastic step in hoaxing his death and in order to draw attention to WHAT!  That's seems to be the million dollar question.  Could he have just come out and sang about it?  I don't think so.  Look what they did to him for speaking out about far less.  

Michael talked about "not playing with them" and he was going "to hurt em".  I don't think he meant us.  

For those wanting more information on ELEnin please feel free to PM me and I'll be happy to share what I've found thus far.

Oh and here is an interesting site that shows the projected path of ELEnin:  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login.  

Love and Peace to all!

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TIAI ~ 2011 / Re: TIAI May 1
« on: May 24, 2011, 06:57:11 PM »
Hi guys!  I have a feeling TS's absences may be tied in with what's happening with the weather.  Could someone have had foreknowledge of what the government had planned?  I am confident TPTB intend to clear out large portions of land of the population.  The catastrophes’ THEY have caused (research HAARP) is accomplishing that.  Imagine the cost to the government in aid for recovery.  Call me paranoid but...

Additionally, I question Marlon wearing the FBI hat.  Did it mean they are on MJ's side or working with the interlopers?  
If any of this has been discussed, please disregard this bit of sporadic outburst.

Love and hugs to all,
Kathi

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TIAI ~ 2011 / Re: TIAI March 9
« on: March 22, 2011, 06:37:45 AM »
I blew up the handle and see overlap of "leaf" on the handle.  Now what that means is lost on me.

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Other Odd Things / Re: A phone call from America
« on: January 18, 2010, 01:54:09 PM »
Quote from: "Game Player"
Hmm, very interesting that he brought up the subject of illusion. Does everyone really know MJ is a master of illusion? The moonwalk is an illusion but haha seems kinda odd to say.

I do know when he did Smooth Criminal on stage a diversion was performed to take the audiences attention of him and the dancers so they could slip into the thing-a-ma-bobs they used for the imfamous lean.  Quite effective really.  ;)

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Quote from: "Michaelangela"
Quote from: "SomethingReal"
I PM'd you on youtube, MJAlive999.  I'm going to briefly re-state what I said in the message, because I feel it is important.  

Obviously, many people here feel that Mike is sending a message to the world for the "sheeple" to wake up and see how the world is changing, and not in a positive way.  Many folks believe in concepts called the New World Order, the Illuminati, etc.  And they feel that Michael is trying to warn us of the evil intentions of the NWO plan -- some even believe that the antichrist or the devil is directly involved in the nwo.  They believe that Mike is trying to tell us that a huge change is coming fast -- I personally feel that after Obama was elected, this country started moving in a direction that most people thought was going to be a very positive and fresh new approach.  Now many are starting to realize, even those who voted for him, that the country is actually moving in a very scary direction...towards socialism and maybe even worse! (police state, communism, nwo, etc).  I see that with my own eyes and it scares the living daylights out of me.  I don't want my country, the FREE country that I grew up in, to change in that direction.  I don't want the government having control over my life.  

Maybe that's what Michael means by the greatest demonstration of FREEDOM in the history of our nation/the world.  We must prevent the current world leaders from taking away our freedom (because that is the inevitable result of socialism, communism, facism, etc).  

PLEASE, hoax believers, tell me if you think I am on the right track here...  Because if I'm not, I'll keep my mouth shut.  My theories about the hoax enter into the political landscape; and that is often a dangerous place to go.  I usually keep my politics to myself.  For example, many countries around the world hate the USA because we are a FREE society.  We don't believe that the gov't should put everyone on the same playing field (socialism); because that is not real freedom.   Was Michael Jackson a socialist?  A capitalist? Does his message have ANYTHING to do with politics at all?  

Anyway, I'm digressing a bit.  Unfortunately, I do see a few serious problems with what I think is Michael's message, imo.  First of all, so many people don't even believe that he is still alive, so I am afraid the message will never reach enough people.  Second, very few of the hoax believers are in any kind of position to actually go out there and try to change something as vast as the nwo, if it really exists.  Many members are young, and don't even understand yet the way the world works from the inside...how much of what we see (from the media) is an illusion, etc.  Btw, does anyone know if Michael was a fan of the movie, "The Matrix"? If so, then I think Michael is trying to tell us to:

TAKE THE RED PILL!!!!!!!  NOW!!!!!!  

Anyway, another problem I've seen with this hoax is how cryptic the clues are/were.  Again, for those of us who are paying attention, it makes the whole thing seem like just a game.  (sorry Michael, I'm just attempting to get into the minds of those who are confused/frustrated over all of this). Maybe it's just me, but a message as SERIOUS as "Watch out for the nwo, illuminati, communism/facism, the antichrist, etc.", imo, maybe shouldn't be presented to us like the game CLUE .  But then again, maybe dropping clues was the only way Michael could have done this safely.

I DO feel that people, now, are MORE concerned with WHAT Michael is trying to tell us as opposed to "When will he make his big comeback"?  Personally, as I said to MJAlive999 on youtube, I don't concern myself with a comeback at all.  We all have enough fantastic Jackson music from the pop genre to last a lifetime.  And to be fair to those who DO keep asking about the comeback -- I think most of them TRULY just want to know that he is alive & well, more so than when he will be back to entertain us again.  If he was  murdered by powerful people who DON'T want the sheeple to wake up, well...that still fits in to the whole "Michael has a message for us" theory, too.

What troubles me the most is the media.  Many feel that LKL, TMZ, AEG, CAngel, etc are all in on this hoax.  Certain things were staged, etc.  It looked like Michael needed the cooperation of MANY in the entertainment industry to pull this off.  But if you look at the videos of a youtuber named EsotericKitten, she believes that the whole entertainment industry and media is CONTROLLED by the Illuminati.  Why would MJ enlist the help/assistance of the media if he knew that they are already under the spell of the very EVIL institution that he is trying to warn us about????  Hmm...

One more thing.  It's possible (I've heard this from others), that Mike's message may be entirely religious in nature.  i.e. The return, the resurrection, "soon very soon, we are going to see the King", etc.  To be perfectly honest, THAT is a heavy, HEAVY concept to ponder; and I am very doubtful that many people would ever accept the possibility of Michael being a supernatural being (Jesus Christ or an angel sent to warn us of Jesus' return).   This kind of ties in with the whole 2012, endtimes, or spiritual transformation theme.  If THIS is the "red pill" we are supposed to swallow, it surely is the biggest, hardest pill I, personally, will ever have to swallow in my life!!...as it would be for many others too.  I was reading on some other forum not too long ago -- these were MJ fans who felt that he is indeed dead (from drugs/murder); and they were commenting on how sorry they felt for us hoax believers who have gone so far as to say that MJ's death has a Biblical/spiritual purpose.  They laughed at our "delusion".  And I gotta admit, as much as I am desperately trying to look at any and all possibilities for the hoax, I think this one is really hard to believe...

Also, other theories are still out there and have been discussed a Ba-Zillion times...i.e. Michael's efforts to expose the Hollywood DrFeelGood's, etc...  How do we come to the right conclusions?

Two final points: 1) I get a little frustrated at those who keep telling us to "open our eyes", the "evidence is right in front of you!", "wake up!", etc. (Sorry moderators!)  This frustrates me for several reasons: A) the evidence, although YES, is there...the clues are everywhere...they are still quite cryptic & sometimes vague, sometimes hard to believe (especially if you are more scientific in the way your brain is wired and are not prone to believing in things you cannot experience with your 5 senses, conspiracies, the Bible, etc).  B) as I mentioned before, and I mean no disrespect here, but I think as you get older, it gets harder to believe in things like this as your brain becomes more practical, more hardened, more cynical; and thus it's more likely I personally would hear a comment like, "Oh that is all so ridiculous! Michael is dead! Grow up! A conspiracy?! HaHa! Take off your tin foil hat!" from my peers (I'm in my 40's, older than probably most folks here).  So, WILL his message reach ENOUGH people!?!?  Maybe he's just targeting the younger generations, because they are the ones in the best position to actually CHANGE things for the better?

                          2) I've decided that the "message" must be one of the following things: a) stop the nwo;  b) get right with God because Jesus is nearer than we think;  c) or something as simple and plain as 'love one another, be kind to one another, be charitable, stop being such a materialistic, superficial, self centered society and give of yourself to others.  Would he fake his death for any of these messages?

Whew!  That's my final answer and I'm sticking to it.  Am I on the right track or WAY off base?  Please give me your insights; I respect everyone's opinion here!!!  :)

Dear SomethingReal,

Reading your post made me realize that we are from such different worlds and everything that bonds us is media and english language. Your knowledge of socialism is different then mine, you've been told different. Socialism has nothing to do with NWO, NWO is more like imperialism ???, and socialism is something for people, nation, they own everything, everyone is taken care of... you probably think and asociate socialism with something bad because they told you that in your country....believe me....it's not like that. It's hard to create the system that is good for everyone, but the best one is the one that is good for people and environment, capitalism is good for few and is bad for environment. US media created and made other systems look bad on the other hand I would never live in the US...and SomethingReal, can please pm me so we can talk about communism/fascism....if you want  ;)
We are all feeling that MJ is sending us message about something, my biggest thought is MEDIA, they can create everything and control everything it's like making a movie. We have to be careful, we have to spread love, don't judge something you don't know anything about, just because they told us so.....We have to love each other, respect each other and fight against  media brainwashing. All we can do for MJ is to boycot tabloids, TMZ (they are making money from his name as well), try and wash his name, at least for his children.
SoemthingReal it's all for L.O.V.E., that's why I posted this


NWO and socialism go hand in hand.  You cannot have one world order and have capitalism or individualism survive.  NWO is every country ran under the control of a few; those few deciding what we will and will not have or do.  If the poeple of the world allow the NWO to form your individual rights will no longer exist.  We will be at the mercy of the few.  I'm not sure of other countries but this a hugh deal in the US.   IMO, a NWO would be detrimental to all the peoples of the world.

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Michael Jackson News / Re: The escapist:Rumor
« on: January 13, 2010, 08:42:59 PM »
Quote from: "mjj4ever777"
You know I wouldn't mind it if this were a game as long as we get a good prize at the end for being the guinea pigs!! :lol: I hope you read this Michael...maybe tickets to your next concert???

Not to be ungratful, but TICKETS?  ;)  How about dinner or a sit down?  Wouldn't it be fabulous to spend time with him to try and understand that genious of a mind that set all this in motion!!! :lol:  :lol:

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Quote from: "QuirkyDiana"
Quote from: "tenschi"
The lack of backup to his death is unheard of.  I know people have brought up Britanny Spears and her trips to the hospital and I will again.  Her house was swarmed by media and police. You are going to tell me that the paramedics "worked" on Mike for 40 some odd minutes and NO police were present when the ambulance left.  UNFREAKING BELIEVABLE!  I mean think about the small amount of media when they left with Mike.  Those things ALONE don't add up folks.

Thing is, Britney Spears was having a very public meltdown which was great for the media etc. They were following her every move in the hope that something else will happen. A bit like a predator following an injured prey.

Yes, MJ was embarking on what would be a huge and much anticipated comeback - but how much of the media in LA were actually following him every day? He hadn't done anything big publicly since 2001. How interested were they really? I cannot answer this question. For me, I would be very surprised if media (not to mention general public, fans etc) were not following his every move in the run-up to the comeback, but if this is not the case then it is not surprising that no media/public were there to actually witness things from the get-go. Although it's not like the incident happened in the early morning hours.....it happened midday when people would be around?

As for no police being present, well, even the paramedics didn't know who they were treating - allegedly, and as the 911 call proves, no name was given. It appears that security wanted to keep things as private as possible. It makes sense in way because if you are trying to save someone's life you don't want the whole world to descend on your doorstep. Security obviously took that decision before they made the 911 call. It's an interesting question though. Did i hear also that not many people knew where MJ lived?

No No No...the police usually are aware of where celebs live in their cities. Especially one they have an axe to grind with.  I feel certain the day MJ moved into or signed the lease for the Carolwood estate they knew it. I don't buy the arguement that they would not have known that MJ lived there. Not to mention once the paramedics arrived and communicated the status to their superiors that the police would not be notified.  Again, they were there for 40+ minutes - we are not talking about a turn and burn.  No, sorry... still doesn't make sense to me.

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Michael Jackson News / Re: Boycott ... Do not buy the book Rabbi.
« on: January 13, 2010, 04:37:13 PM »
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Quote from: "Tereza"
Quote from: "letstalkagain"
What does the book say about MJ that is so bad.  I thought the Rabbi and him were friends ?

The Rabbi even suggested in an interview that he thinks Michael has killed himself! He said, when he heard of the death he just thought "Oh, how stupid you are" (or sth. like that). :evil:

NO!  He said that towards the end of their friendship he saw that MJ was not making an effort to leave the drugs and was not taking Rabbi's advice and started to evade the Rabbi, (he was truthful about the end of the relationship) and that the first thought he had when he heard that MJ had died was "you stupid man, you stupid stupid man"  He said this because he left behind 3 children motherless and fatherless and all because he wouldn't help himself.  If you ask me, he was pretty honest.  Why do MJ fans have such a hard time hearing anything about MJ that isn't positive...He's not a God.  He said himself he is human.  How better to understand where someone is going then to know where they came from?  Good and bad.

I don't have a hard time hearing negative things about Mike, but I do when they come from someone who was a trusted friend at one time.  That's the rub is for me.  Ian Halprin (sp), Randy Tarobarrille, however you spell his freaking name, can say what they want they are just out make money.  The Rabbi, URI, Chopark (another name I can't spell,  :roll: ), Arnie Klein, and other so called friends, really pi$$ me off.  I have close friends that should they pass you COULD NOT pay me to go on national TV and betray them as his so called friends have.

I know Mike was human and had his struggles.  I'll tell you this, he has withstood more than I KNOW I could have.  He is a warrior and that is why I will defend him until the day I pass.

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Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Have they released a police statement? Although I didnt see a police car in the area of MJ's house on June 25th, which is weird cus I know its standard procedure for the cops to show up to person in distress call...at least where I live it is.

Id like to see a police statement from any cop that was supposedly there that day....
Id also LOVE to see any video footage, even from a cell phone from any hospital staff that SAW MJ that day as well.....you know that if you worked at the hospital that MJ was taken into and you had a camera phone nearby, you would be filming it or at least take a pic. I know thats wrong but considering the magnitude of WHO mj is.. youd think SOMEONE would have a 15 second video of him.

But no one does....

The lack of backup to his death is unheard of.  I know people have brought up Britanny Spears and her trips to the hospital and I will again.  Her house was swarmed by media and police. You are going to tell me that the paramedics "worked" on Mike for 40 some odd minutes and NO police were present when the ambulance left.  UNFREAKING BELIEVABLE!  I mean think about the small amount of media when they left with Mike.  Those things ALONE don't add up folks.

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Other Odd Things / Re: WHY ARE YOU DECIDING FOR US???
« on: January 13, 2010, 03:59:29 PM »
Quote from: "Dangerous"
Quote from: "yaya"
i agree with you! in my opinion, this all looks very familiar (MJHD).

anyways, i can't say that i believe fully in BOW...but as investigators, we are to keep an open mind.

+1
+1

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Michael Jackson News / Re: The escapist:Rumor
« on: January 11, 2010, 07:20:17 AM »
Quote from: "Ijustcantstoplovingu"
Yes interesting.

The most sad thing is the comments people have left in the comments, people make me so so   :evil:   Do they not know he was found not guilty :!:

My advice dont look at the comments :evil:

 :roll:

It's funny you said not to read the comments. After I read the article I saw there were 70 or so comments but I decided not to read them BECAUSE I thought there may be hate spewed on them. I'm glad I didn't.  Those type comments make me so sad.

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Dr. Conrad Murray / Re: Hey someone posted this to my forum
« on: January 08, 2010, 07:55:43 PM »
Quote from: "AnnieIsNotOK"
Quote from: "TheKingWillReturn"
Since i read the post of Dr Murray the real person being a circus owner, i have had a weird picture in my mind... Dr Murray dressed in loud colours, big red nose, curly colored hair, and Long Shoes.
Yes i Mean a Clown trying to do resuss.  ;)

I'm going to my padded cell now.  :D

 :shock:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


RIGHT    :!:  :?  :!:  :?

I missed the info on Jonell's big upcoming reveal.  Will someone PLEASE send me a pm or answer here where this I can read about this.

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Quote from: "yitsy"
There were no tears from Tito regarding leaving the premier, because he didn't go.
He "wasn't ready" to see it yet.
And there were plenty of tears from Tito when he was talking about Michael.  
He did use the "died" word too.

If what we think is true about Mike, Tito and Jackie should win Oscars.  :lol:  I cry everytime one of them become emotional. What drives me crazy is I beLIEve and I still cry... :oops:

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Other Odd Things / Re: HOAX! nah .. it's over, let me explain why?
« on: January 02, 2010, 05:01:39 PM »
Quote from: "DontBelieveTheHype"
Did you ever think that maybe Michael is meeting his kids without the paparazzi's? How do you know he isnt seeing kids just because you dont have evidence of it? There's a big possibility the kids have travelled to the house he is staying at (perhaps even the Encino family house) and that they see him on a regular basis. Just because you dont see Michael Jackson + three children together walking on the streets of LA with paparazzis surrounding them it dosnt mean they dont have any contact with each other. There's a thing called privacy and thats what they are doing, they are meeting up in privacy.

Yep, we see what he wants us to see, when he wants us to see it, and how he wants us to see it.

 :D  :D  :D

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Other Odd Things / Re: HOAX? nah .. it's over, let me explain why!
« on: January 02, 2010, 04:59:41 PM »
Quote from: "michangelo"
Well I threw in the towel, I no longer believe.
My head told me that he died even though my heart said no.
Let me explain why]

Most of us can understand your personal conclusions.  Please do check in from time to time so you will be abreast of the "REVEAL",  :D  :D  :D

Love to you and your family...
Kathi

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