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#1

Tupac was 'alive' at Coachella festival. The Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival is an annual three-day music and arts festival, organized by Goldenvoice. Guess who Goldenvoice is, it's none other but a subsidiary of our beloved....AEG Live!!

This is soo hilarious i can't stop smirking...:D

#2

Paris just tweeted:

"deleting my tweets do TMZ doesn't get involved.. sorry guys hope u understand.. luv y'all"

Now i wonder what that means...

#3

i'm just wondering, did Paris or anyone from the family ever explain who is this @_Michaeljackson character that Paris has been exchanging tweets with?

#4

This place is great, people are so positive and inspiring.

To me that persistent assertion to one self, world is a good place and people are genuinely nice, represents courage. I truly admire people who are like that and i aspire to be exactly that.

it's really funny about this commentary, found it out of the blue while i was researching about Michael. Couldn't find it anywhere, some other websites re-blogged it (with credit) but no one really took claim. I love the commentary, it boils and summarizes on simple principle of kindness that goes all the way, even beyond Michael Jackson.

Thank you all, hopefully more and more people could see the post and realize what a great human being Michael is.

#5

or we can be like Mike, first assume purity and good intent of other people but add it with some shrewdness practicality in dealing with other people.

I won't necessarily believe in conspiracy, just that people, even who were good at first, can make bad decisions and becoming a 'bad person'.

But i appreciate your response, thankyou.

#6

This is a comment by a 'Filipek7' on a Washington Post article wrote by Deepak Chopra days after Mike's passing.

Here's the link. http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/deepak_chopra/2009/06/the_spirituality_of_michael_jackson.html

I don't know who this guy is or whether it's his piece or quoted somewhere else, but this SUCH a magnificent thought and i can't not share it with Mike's fans.

I learned a lot about myself only by reading this.
I copy the comment here for your easy reading. Ps: if it might help if you read Chopra's article first for understanding the context. Sorry if someone had put this up before, i'm just so excited.

Reflections on Light and Darkness

"There is a crack in everything; that's how the light gets in" (Leonard Cohen)

There are no doubt millions of fans of Michael Jackson's music who remain baffled by what little they have known of his behavior, character and appearance. There are millions more who are totally indifferent to the music and, if anything, repulsed by what they perceive as an offensive eccentric at best or dangerous deviant at worst. In the days immediately following his tragic death, almost all commentators chose to emphasize this ostensible polarity of Michael's legacy: "a genius in his art, but a disturbed human being." It seems like there was always a "but."

If mainstream gurus are good at anything, it is turning truth on its head and, in the process, eviscerating all that is pure. It is not in Michael Jackson's musical artistry that his foremost greatness consists, but it is in fact in his wonderful humanity. His music is only just one expression – just one manifestation – of that humanity. These misguided eulogies, therefore, have it all backwards. Michael's legacy is not limited to an artistry that is somehow soiled by a troubled and troubling life. Michael's greatest legacy is his loving character and the lessons it teaches us, through his ultimately tragic life, about the true face of an often brutal and ugly world.

In Michael Jackson, we see an innocence and purity rarely seen in an adult. Jackson's "childlikeness" is perplexing to many people, but it is precisely this trait that sets him apart from an adult world that has learned so effectively to be cold and calculated, smart and shrewd, proper and professional. Adults seeking to better themselves ought to become more childlike. If Michael was guilty, his sin (borrowing Dylan's prophetic words) was that he knew and felt too much within. Unfortunately, it is typical for those who feel deeply to seem to others utterly odd and insane. Hence the proverbial Pierrot, buffoon or idiot, whose superficial lunacy conceals a deep understanding of the human heart. Michael's intense capacity to feel allowed him to be a loving, caring and responsive human being. He was far more capable of love than are most adults. Because of this acute sensitivity, what we also see in Michael is an utterly vulnerable, susceptible man.

Michael's bizarre appearance and eccentric behavior were, paradoxically, far more sensible than the "normal" behavior of most "normal" people within the confounding context world that is itself upside down. All of Michael's strange gestures and attitudes make perfect sense given one profound premise – that the world is pure, innocent and harmless. Of course those of us who have "grown up" have learned that the world is not "pure, innocent and harmless." Hence the tragedy of Michael Jackson. His actions, whether holding his baby over the balcony or jumping on top of a car to wave to adoring fans or spending millions of dollars on a single shopping spree, seem irresponsible and disturbing when seen and interpreted through the categories of a deranged world. In fact, his actions were selfless and harmless.

The truth is, Michael had the eyes and heart of a child who saw in one dimension – that of pure love. When he saw that someone desired something from him, he gave selflessly, paying no heed to logical consequences or reasonable caution. The dictates of propriety and convention were, as they ought always to be, totally subordinated to the dictates of love. It made perfect sense to him to give joy to others, even if this exposed him and his own actions to spiteful or selfish manipulation by others.

Michael was not willing to assume, as most adults are conditioned to do, that someone he approached could have a tarnished nature. He gave others the benefit of doubt, approaching them as if approaching angels and children. When he met demons, thus, he was utterly exposed and likely devastated. This, no doubt, brought him much suffering, i.e., not so much the suffering that was inflicted upon him by the malice of others but only just the sudden realization (played over and over again anew) that the person he had hoped was an angel could in fact be so malevolent. Michael never allowed himself, it seems, to draw the seemingly rational and sensible conclusion that most adults have drawn from repeated experience: the world is generally just this way. In other words, Michael's purity was such that if he met nine people, all of whom turned out to be vile, he would still greet the tenth as an angel. This defies reasonable human "logic," but it remains steadfast in an adherence to the greater logic of divine love.

Michael surrounded himself with children not because he was perverted, but because he saw in them the hope for a world which had grown to be far too mature. What he loved in children was the proof and justification of the "purity of heart" of which we hear in the Beatitudes. He tried desperately – in only seemingly irrational ways – to protect this adolescent purity from a world whose hideous cruelty he felt in his very own flesh. If the fact that he saw nothing wrong in expressing love toward children in emotionally intimate ways attests only to his purity, our inclination to assume that he was a pedophile and our willingness to assume that love is a pathological deviation can only attest to our essential impurity. In a world that has fallen to pieces, it only makes sense that (to quote Dylan once again) what's bad is good, what's good is bad. Thus, love is a pathological disturbance, whereas cold, rational remoteness defines the new "humanity."

Michael created and surrounded himself with a world fit for a child because he felt that this is the ideal the entire world should aspire to - an ideal that the world so woefully fails to live up to. It was also, incidentally, a way for him to compensate for the pain that was so ever-present to him – the pain of his past and present, the pain of his visceral, personal experience. Michael was sensitive – perhaps hyper-sensitive – and in so being, he felt the pang of every brutal truth far more directly and deeply than most others would. The harm that was inflicted upon him and others was so real to Michael that it induced in him an absolute and immediate moral response. This response - this Neverland world that eradicated the pain of reality through one sweeping contradiction - however unrealistic and idealistic it might seem to a practically minded adult, was totally reasonable for Michael. Michael was the perfect mixture of a child's innocence and an old-man's sagacity. He saw both much less and much more. Quincy Jones was therefore profoundly astute and when he famously described Michael as both the oldest and youngest man he knew.

Michael's innocence is strangely evident in his infamous shopping spree that evoked such a furor when shown in Martin Bashir's exposé. My own socially and environmentally conscious logic is tempted to condemn and rebuke such wanton excess. And yet, I can only smile when I see Michael in the store. Why? Perhaps because what I really see is an innocent child grasping for an ideal utopia – pleasantly oblivious to the ugliness of a consumptive and destructive society concealed behind a façade of harmless, pretty, enjoyable products. Michael sees only what is immediately there – the potential for a beautiful world wherein children and adults alike have what they need – the joy and inspiration, the peace and beauty. There is really no concern here for stuff. What allows me to smile rather than to cringe is that Michael's thoughts and actions flow so naturally and effortlessly along these ideal and pure categories, which seem so improbable to my rational mind. He does not see the horror and the ugliness. These do not factor into his thinking. His urge to buy is not inspired by an egoistic urge to amass stuff for his own gratification. Nor does it arise from being manipulated by an insidious system that wants you to buy for its own impure interest.

The Bashir Interview: Casting Pearls before Swine

When I first (only recently) watched the notorious Martin Bashir special, which was shamelessly aired again and again on MSNBC after Michael's passing, I could not help but cry. At times I felt as though I was witnessing the public humiliation, flogging and crucifixion of an utterly helpless and harmless child. My first thought was, "why did Michael agree to do this? He should have refused!" Upon some reflection, however, I realized that Michael was willing to expose himself (repeatedly) to Bashir's sadistic onslaught precisely because of who he was. Michael thought that Bashir's intentions were pure. He wanted to believe that Bashir would not manipulate what had been said and that the journalist's quest was simply to share the truth with the world. Why not believe this to be the case? Why assume that the interviewer's instincts could be self-interested and impure? Would that not be admitting that the world is ugly – that the world is not and will never be Neverland?

The contrast between Bashir and Michael really could not be greater. Bashir went out of his way to appear reasonable and measured. Michael, on the other hand, had little regard for how he appeared. His main concern was the truth of how he felt and what he believed. To many people he appeared "crazy." The truth, of course, was just the opposite. Bashir was consistently cynical, sardonic, judgmental, and seemed to exhibit a pathological indifference when, again and again, he picked at Michael's raw, open wounds. He showed no regard for the human heart and its anguish. If he had any concern for Michael's torment, perhaps he was too proud to show it. Bashir concealed his cruelty behind a façade of intelligent, reasonable and intellectual professionalism, as if he were just a skilled journalist in the disinterested pursuit of truth. But it is when things sound perfectly civilized and appear so prim and proper that we should be most wary and suspicious. If we pay close attention, we see that Michael possesses the genuine and good heart and is quite reasonable in all he stands for, whereas Bashir is the true sociopath.

Bashir conducts his hurtful interviews all the meanwhile adhering to the highest professional protocol and journalistic etiquette. At one point in the broadcast, Bashir reflects: "Confronting Michael wasn't going to be easy, but now it had to happen," as if this shift to difficult personal subject matter were the result of some inescapable logic, perhaps some imagined standard of journalistic professionalism, which dictates that the truth must be uncovered, whatever the human toll. It is not relevant or important to Bashir how personal the truth may be, whether it has any important humane or useful significance to the audience, or what the consequences of the pursuit of that truth might be. The single thing that matters is the successful exposure of facts, which will secure for Bashir pride among his peers. Are we to admire this journalist's professional ardor, persistence, and his supreme objectivity in the pursuit of his goal? Is it of no importance that a human being must be sacrificed on the altar of this professional ideal?

In yet another disingenuous attempt to establish his superior ethical and professional credentials, Bashir explains to his audience that his line of questioning is inspired by a "worry" for Michael's children. Meanwhile, Michael sits and writhes in obvious pain and discomfort. Seeing this, Bashir, ever the objective scientist in hot pursuit, does not desist but rather intensifies his inquest. Michael, the victim, is increasingly desperate and begins to crack. His humanity is bared for all to see. Michael's legs tremble with anxiety. Under duress, Michael opens up and his emotions spill over. Defenseless because of his innocence, and so pure that he cannot even fathom the foul logic of reason, Michael describes the act of sharing one bed with a child as an expression of care and love. How fair-minded propriety dictates that care and love are in fact deviant behavior is rightly incomprehensible to him. Desperation ringing in his voice, he explains that he cannot abide a crazy world wherein guns and computers have, for children, replaced human contact and compassion. "Why does it mean so much to you?" asks Bashir. The question seems to embody concern, but there is a just barely palpable accusatory tone: Wouldn't a normal, rational person care less...? Perhaps you care so much because you are demented or perverted...?

The proper question, of course, is how anyone could ever be indifferent to the plight of children in an alienating world? How could anyone care less? Bashir's rationality has itself become a pathological deviation. Bashir stands in judgment over a phenomenon he cannot understand, because he has grown up beyond where he could ever comprehend the simplicity of a pure heart. His logic is far too sophisticated and proud. When we have grown up to the point where we are actually capable of dispassionately analyzing a tragedy without breaking down and crying about it, we have then truly lost our humanity. Erecting ideals like Neverland in an effort to cope with dismal reality is not a moral failure. Properly seen, it is just a symptom of or testament to the pathological state of the world. The moral failure is the dismal reality in itself.

Bashir is the sort of person who could stab a person and, with cool and calm demeanor, go on to ask why the victim is in pain. He is "disturbed" by Jackson's ostensibly eccentric behavior and "concerned" for the children, all the meanwhile inflicting psychological torture on the father of these children. Perhaps Bashir even understands that Michael's sensitivity will make him susceptible to manipulation. He throws Michael off balance and then points to his angst as evidence of character flaws. Bashir is especially interested in the personal and largely irrelevant matter of plastic surgeries, and here his interrogation borders on sadism. Knowing the topic will open painful wounds, he pries into Michael's demons. Bashir's interrogation can only bring to mind an SS officer with his cool and scientific method. Perhaps what Bashir was really looking for in his ideal subject was a cold hard rock rather than a human being. What he found instead was an angel.

POSTED BY: FILIPEK7 | JUNE 30, 2009 4:07 PM
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#7

Clips like this that make me wonder if he's alive.

Aside from the curious 'he invited me...' comment can't help notice RJ saying 'he wanted to shock the world, wait until they see what's next.'

With all my due respect and admiration to MJ, it doesn't seem like he meant it's TII. We've seen Bad, Dangerous and History world tours and they're all awesome and TII is his next concert. It's definitely not the 'next' thing. I can't help thinking in my head something shocking and innovative and new like staging the world as a movie setting and something like that.

One thing that i've been wondering too is that where was MJ from 2005 - 2010? Most MJ biographies and documentaries stopped at the second trial in 2005 and he seemed vanished, however everyone that were interviewed recalling MJ's statement (usher, RJ, Will I Am, Teddy Riley, Akon and MJ himself) said MJ was never stop working. Working on what? THat made me really really curious.

Some books and articles with small credibility state that MJ was in declining mode in his 'last' years, financially, physically and mentally. That doesn't seem what these people are saying.

I just watched the memorial for the 3rd time after a year, and the part where Paris crying, it reminded me of my own crying when i lost my mom (i lost her in 2002 when i was 20) i said to my self, this looks just like my own cry, sudden burst of pain while minutes before laughing out of the numbness, and no, no one can fake that. Maybe MJ did die.

But now i'm not sure.

I hope God would someday shed a light in this mistery, as i'm missing MJ so much everyday.

#8

Thank you, you all really nice :)

I'm missing Michael so much this past 2 days, thank you for all your support.

#9

With regard to Michael  Jackson and the possibility of a comeback, i always had some nervousness about it. Followed the forum since 2009, not a single doubt in my self that he's alive, but what would he do it, and why would he stage a comeback if it was only to prove that he's innocent, and kind and generous and all great again.

I believe that Michael's influence spanned beyond that, he affected a culture that we're living in now, heck he might even created it, that's why many people surprised not only by his untimely death but by the mega response and sadness that clearly felt when he was announce 'died'. This is all  over not only in the tabloids but in intellectually commended media such as WSJ, Time, Economist, etc (will post links later). Unanimously there's an agreement saying the minute people realized that Michael 'died' felt like there's a shift on the ground of our culture, things   just   weren't   the    same    again...

So i started looked at Michael's MO from various media outlets, and his message about love is not a tacky one vague line said just to enticed popular mass, he truly believe that every actions must be motivated to how it will be of value to others. That's why he condemns 'selfish love' as you can tell from many interviews and song lyrics.

I believe that message has been received gradually by the community. Development, humanitarian works are at its highest rate more than ever, people talk about community movement everywhere.  Global warming is a household issue and on a matter closer to the heart, News of the world was closed down due to bribery and fraud.

Michael is so relevant to our culture, more than many people realized it when he was 'alive'. So his come back is a moment to wait as a community.BACK said it best.

#10

Any body has seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfuD8Uj5OsM

It's short film of '2Bad' from movie Ghost. I believe this is one of Michael's most EPIC dance moves. He's so full of energy and it's so hot makes me feel  like fainting.

Anybody share my opinion? Why isn't this track receiving much attention it totally deserves?

#11

I got an idea and woke up all night making this piece. Tt's such a good song and reminds me of Michael's life and pain.

Please tell me what you think, thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynWZQlRHWM0&feature=youtu.be

#12

You know that girl he had a duet with in IJCSLY, Siedah Garret, was a nominee in this year's Oscar for Music Score in the movie Rio. She's still active in music business and would perform now and then. Just FYI:)

#13

I haven't logged on to this hoax site for so long, thought i moved on.

But something is very interesting i found today from Kanye and Jayz song 'Nig*as in Paris" -- sorry the song is very explicit.

The first sentence 'we're gonna skate to one song and one song only' is from the movie This Is It. But no one seems to realize it.

Another reference about MJ "i'm liable to go Michael, Jackson Tyson Jordan..."

The first phrase by Jay Z is about someone hiding:

'So I ball so hard muhfuckas wanna fine me
But first niggas gotta find me"
B-ball so hard
I'm shocked too
I'm supposed to be locked up too
If you escaped what I've escaped
Got a broke clock, Rolleys that don't tick tok
Audemars that losing time, Hidden behind all these big rocks
You'd be in Paris getting fuc**d up too
Ball so hard
Let's get faded, Le Meurice for like 6 days'

It's really hard to escape the impression this is about someone who's hiding and running. The first sentence from the movie TII i quited above is what gives it all. NO one on the net seems to noticed that that quote is from TII.

Am i onto something here?
#14

You can watch it here :

I personally LOVE Michael in 'never can say goodbye' starts 4.45. I can't find the one where he sings it after he grown up aside from this one. The guy has rhymees

On a different note, now i understand why Billie Jean in Motown 25 was such a HUGE deal, just check the transition from J5 to his solo performance, so different. Bet no one had ever seen anything like that before.
Now could anyone tell me how to download a youtube video? I'm afraid this will get removed soon.

Thanks,
V

#15

IMO, just a persistent attempt by journalists to shed a negative light on Michael's name in time where the world has started to re-see him as a true genius and humanitarian.

Besides, Michael's motives in doing cosmetic surgeries should not be analyse, its his personal decision and his alone.

However, (if we were to go in that direction) i think the article made a logical leap with its reasoning. The main notions of the article are Michael is conscious if his possible downfall after reaching such height of fame and success (normal for every successful individual), but the article suggests that such fear of downfall is what triggers Michael to go as far as doing extreme cosmetic surgeries ie.to continue renew his images.

Now, the article did not specify why renewing image (hence cosmetic surgeries) has anything to do with preventing obsolence, at least in Michael's mind. Where's the analysis of Michael 'would like to attract' this type of attention to start with, whereas what we see on the other hand was an elusive Michael (with sun shades and surgical mask), who seemingly prefers to be behind the limelight.

Just an article that picks sensational topics about Michael with a clear intention from the start, more judgement for Michael Jackson.