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« on: January 16, 2011, 11:32:00 PM »
the estate is not there to protect Michael, they are the thieves and the backstabbers and they are the ones who are stealing without being watched, this branca is a snake and all of this is a conspiracy against Michael, the conspiracy that he has been talking about for years and no one listened and no one will or want to listen, and for a conspiracy to go on, you must have people from the inside, who knows about almost everything, and the hoax and all the drama, that's a cover up for something ugly, whatever it is that has happened on that day, just read the trust papers word for word, am not talking about how the money is divided, am talking about the management part, just read it and look at the initials and the signature which are totally off and see for yourselves. None of these people could be trusted, and don't worry they won't sell anything now, these type of thieves always have a long term plan to go on and they are never tired, hell they have been trying and trying since 1993 and even earlier. Listen to what Michael have been saying and look around, we are gonna go in loops waiting for him to return, or believing that everything is a sign from him, and the bad guys would get away with it, like they usually do.
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« on: January 10, 2011, 11:14:16 PM »
we all know that the autopsy report that was published has major mistakes, not new news, the totally fake parts, is the parts describing his health conditions, all the respiratory diseases and the problems, and the brain stuff,,,,etc are totally made up.
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« on: January 07, 2011, 09:17:53 PM »
this is BS like everything else, if KO is the PRODUCER of TII whatever movie or concert, he must be under contract with AEG that is originally producing the show!!!!, whom are they kidding, of course he is legally affiliated with AEG!!!!!!!!!!!
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« on: January 07, 2011, 09:00:47 PM »
I am a pharmacist and i agree just DON'T TAKE THE VACCINE, ABSOLUTELY NOT
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« on: January 05, 2011, 08:21:22 AM »
wow, the conspirators are gonna set the record straight :shock: :shock: , it's funny when the liars are setting the record straight!!!!!! he is gonna make money by lying and set the record straight, so the truth will be buried forever, this is so absurd!!
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« on: January 04, 2011, 05:54:49 PM »
there could be people tweeting for him, no problem, i don't like what's happening so far, this sucks
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« on: January 03, 2011, 07:20:15 AM »
@DancingTheDream: First, Happy new year. 
About the wine, i have no problem with anyone doing anything and i won't hate him because of it, but i am stating things, that was documented by his friends and close ones. Through my search i found that the wine in cans weren't the attendants idea they were given instructions for his meals and everything and it was written by one of his people not by Mike himself, and it was right before the court date, so they could use it in court like you said and twist the truth, if he was drinking in cans during his flights why wasn't it known way before the trial, i mean come on Michael has been travelling his entire life and not all the people around him would keep a secret, so why hasn't it come out except until the trial, coincidence again, no. I am not making things up, all the close people around him mentioned that he didn't drink, Michael himself said so, the guy who designed the house said the same. Regarding the picture, we had the same thing with our former King, pictures of him were circulating that he was drinking and of course they used it against him just like they did with Michael :? , and then it turned out to be that he used to put apple juice in his glass because it is protocol and him being a gentleman so not to embarrass those who drink, so they would feel free, and there is one picture for Michael if you saw it, he was with a group of friends and they were all raising the glasses, and Michael wasn't he was just laughing with them. I don't care if he drinks or not, apparently i have no problem with that but the majority have a problem accepting or dealing with the fact that he didn't drink or abuse drugs, like this makes him less human or not normal, you see what i mean, and like i said i could do a topic and include all the testimonies and articles and everything, but it's gonna take time, and i am busy plus we have a problem in my country :? , it sucks :cry: , the world is heading to a dark place :? , please pray for us, and that's why i don't have the time now. Anyways sweetie, no bad feelings, even if we disagree we're still good  , am not trying to convince anyone with anything i am just saying what i know.
I agree with you when you said this "This has been going on for so long now... i just want to know what happened so i can let Michael go in peace." i understand where you are coming from, and i really hope the truth would come out one day soon. :cry:
@VeryLittleSusie: you're welcome sweetie it's nothing to mention, take your time and if there is anything i can do please let me know , i hope the truth would come out soon.
Take care guys and have a nice day, love and peace. Much love to you guys.
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« on: January 02, 2011, 09:14:32 PM »
@hesouttamylife: hey, yes the missing tapes shows that there was something planned, and it could be evil, and that's why they had to take the tapes away to hide what they have done, and don't you find it weird that even the prosecutor is not searching for the tapes or asking about them, while they are of a big importance to this case, they are only concentrating on Michael's drug use and that's it. They are not even looking at the contract between AEG and murray that was found, and not giving AEG any attention, murray is the fall guy for the big guys and that's why this trial if any will happen will end in him being innocent or the minimal charge would be pressed against him, what they are doing is not an investigation, it's a joke, pure one :? , and the state of California especially the Barbara County district won't help Michael Jackson to pull off a hoax, while they refused to let him file a lawsuit against sneddon in the first place, and they changed a law just to prosecute Michael in 2004, (sneddon filed for change of a section in the law to give the prosecution the right ONLY IN CHILD MOLESTATION TRIALS to bring the old allegations in court even if it never made it to trial, he did this and was approved somewhere between 1999and 2000 it was mentioned by Mesereau and i have found this info as well, i haven't posted everything i have found by the way, i was advised not to for safety reasons (his)), they were planning to bring MJ down years ago no matter what, it came to their surprise that he came out strong from this trial and his fans still love him and loved him even more, so they worked on bringing him down financially and when he was still standing up and didn't fall down and the time was about to end (for the contract to finish) they took it to the next level, enough is enough for them, they have been trying to bring him down since 1993, that's too long, they didn't expect that he would last this long and he would be that strong.
The only way for him to pull this off and not be in jail if he was found and/or came back like some think, is that the authorities would help him, and after what they have done to him and still doing to him, they won't help him, and laws are there to protect corporations, nothing more nothing less and we all know that, they even changed the laws just to bring him down :cry: .-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- @VeryLittleSusie: Hey sweetie, thanks for your nice words, i am glad to see you here , hope everything is fine with you and happy new year. Of course i don't have all the answers and no one does, but i will answer from what i know, and i will leave out what i don't.
1- Why would they allow discussions on the official website, of course that never happens, it will be too obvious, when they were discussing the fake theories of the movie scream, they created forums and fan communities to do so, they didn't do it on the official site, it will be a dead give away that they are behind this. so, no it should not be done on the official site or anywhere that is related to them, they work behind scenes.
2-Look jermaine, i don't trust as i said before and to me he is on the suspect list until proven innocent, for the reasons i have mentioned before, so i take no word he says of importance. I don't know about the rest, Joe said the same thing, maybe they are hopeful that the truth will find it's way out one day, just like when happened with the trial, but it came out after 2 and half years or so, it took so long. When you are in a desperate situation you usually hope for the truth to come out and maybe that's why they say so, otherwise i don't know, because i never met them neither did the hoax community, words can be interpreted in many ways and usually according to the liking of the listener, that's why i depend on documents, facts that happened before, timeline and motives, words to me are secondary not a priority. Them saying that is not a proof of a hoax or otherwise because we can't possibly know.
3-to prove that they don't care about the money so here you go, because at the time of the release there were many campaigns against them and the album, so they said here you go fans it's all for love and it actually worked when many fans saw this,, they were like aww sony doesn't want our money (except of course for few fans and me included who smelled the rat) and off they go to buy the album :? , you see what i mean it's a strategy. They didn't lose anything, actually there was an article in the economic news, saying that MJ saved sony's music publishing division from losing after his d**** because no artist in this age sells, and if it wasn't for the fans they would have lost double of what they did last year. So, the fans saved sony, yay :? .
4-You really wouldn't expect the family to tell the kids that their father is in danger of any sort, i am sure if that's the case they absolutely don't know, how would you expect to tell kids something like that, it will ruin them and they won't be able to handle it or absorb it. He has to be away for business and so on, stuff like that, that would be heartless to tell them something like that, so in my opinion and if my research is true, of course the kids don't know.
I hope i was able to answer your questions and if there is anything else please let me know.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- @ignisaeternus: You're welcome sweetie, it's nothing to mention. Of course, you have every right to agree or disagree, who said otherwise lol.
Please refer to my reply to VeryLittleSusie right above yours regarding the children.
Ativan (lorazepam) yes can be used for what you have mentioned, but it's a drug of no choice due it's side effects that could be damaging on many levels, and the doctors usually prescribe it for severe cases and like you mentioned it's not used mainly for sleep induction, there are many more safer drugs than that and could be used instead. It's main use is for the control of aggressive and non-co-operative patients because it causes muscle relaxation, meaning that the patient won't be able to resist because he won't move, coincidence, again i don't think so. Sure if my findings are right, Michael didn't surrender just like that, and that's why it was used, as soon as i knew that this drug was found it raised a hell of questions and i have asked many doctors as well about that drug, they were all shocked as well that it could be used just like that, it's usually used in hospitals and like i mentioned for severe cases.
I disagree with you on the wine thing, because i have read the court documents of the trial and the mention of wine was from the flight attendants who said he used to hide it in a cola can, and it was denied by Mesereau as this was not true, Michael never asked for this to be done and it was discredited and am pretty sure about that. As for the people around him (the good ones, the true ones) all of them said that they never saw him drinking, it's mentioned everywhere, even from the 80's, Paul Mccartney even said he was not that type, and he talked alot about that. All the honest people around him said they never saw him drinking, and Michael said it so it's enough for me. Even the wine cellar in Neverland the guy who designed the place when interviewed he mentioned that the initial design had no wine cellar or anything of that sort, but he and some people around him told him that all the big houses and the perfect ones had a wine cellar and he should have one and he even said since he is a perfectionist he said then i should have one with the best stuff in it, that's why he has one. So, this is a fact am pretty sure about, he was perfectly healthy and he took good care of his body and again all the facts point to this. I could do a topic about that and provide all the evidence but it will take a while since i am busy these days.
Regarding the autopsy like i said, part of it is true because no one not even the evil ones can't pay off all the medical and coroner's staff, it's just not possible. Not even from a hoax prespective, and in a hospital there are certain procedures and they would not tell the entire stuff, don't do anything we will handle it, doesn't make sense not even from a hoax point of view, and the house, before the police or anything, people from the coroners office along with a detective went there on the same day, so again you can't buy off all of these people, not possible, so there is part of the truth in it, just mixed up and hidden with the lies.
I know it's hard to accept the idea of him being in danger, i myself when i started to research this and when it hit me, i stopped for almost 2 weeks because i didn't want to accept this or even think that it could be what happened, but i found out that denying this won't make it go away if it's indeed true and that's what made me go on, what if he needs help, and that's why am not stopping. So, i completely understand you, it's hard but what if this is the truth, and we are wasting our time in the wrong direction, we won't help him even if we wanted, we should keep our emotions aside one way or another to be able to figure it out, as we all know feelings are blind and no one wants to feel bad. In my case, i can't deny the facts and what i saw and found just because it hurts me, it's a hard decision, and i had to make it, so i completely know where you are coming from xxooxx. If this is the truth and if this is what happened, denying it won't make it fiction. I just hope he is fine. :?
Take care guys and have a nice day, love and peace
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« on: January 01, 2011, 08:54:31 AM »
@Grace, First happy new year! let's be calm while discussing things, you don't have to buy anything in anyone says, and the same goes for me.
I didn't say that the friends and family and kids and whatever you mentioned were drugged, that is really belittling what i have been saying big time, what do these have to do with him being in danger or whatever, should the whole world know that he is kidnapped. That's mocking, i won't expect that COURT PAPERS would be fake, as this is a big trouble and problem, at least these won't be fake. The TIMELINE is not fake as well.
Who said that he needs to die to comeback, the hoax idea said it! what most believes in is this, he died to comeback, does this add up on any level!
They took him, they will need him as long as they need his creative work and the stuff that he only knows where they are, and no one else knows but him. Please read what i have mentioned without being that angry and we can discuss peacefully. And who said that when someone is taken against his will means that he is weak and stupid, It's an ACCIDENT, it's against your will, there is nothing you can do about it. I know he is not weak and he is very smart, but when you are all alone there is not much that you can do, when they are everywhere. Michael is not stupid either to hide for sending clues, playing games and a comeback or doing a v theme or whatever. What good if any and what's the point of all of this.
I am gonna leave you the links to the findings, and i am gonna quote a post i have replied with before. Please take the time to read them and then we can discuss, rather than accusing me or being angry at something like that. At the end of the day, no bad feelings, everyone is entitled to their thinking, but after you check and see everything, like i do, and i never got angry or mocked anyone even with the most wicked theories out there.
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The post:@ignisaeternus: Hi, thanks and have a great year. I will try to answer the questions as much as i can because after all i don't have all the answers, but I am really glad to see your post. I'll keep referring you to the sites because this is too long am just mentioning the main points and i have already wrote too much as you can see.
-Why would they take him?
--Why did they try to put him in jail in 2005, they always wanted him out of the way, because he won't do anything they want. and to add to your question why now?, that is since i don't believe in coincidences at all, when you look at the timeline, Michael's contract with sony was due to end July 2009, and he was gonna leave them once and for all, and he was gonna have 100% of his royalties back in 2011, i have explained this in details. The incident happened in the 25th of June, 2009. Could this be a coincidence? I don't think so, that's a red flag to be raised. Why was he working on a new album to be released only at the time that he was leaving sony? That's right, because he was finally gonna be a free agent and work away from them, if he wanted to work with them again, he would have done so years before, but he didn't, he was working privately, until the time that his contract was gonna end and then worked professionally to prepare the album for release, except that it was away from sony, in a private studio, even Will.i.am said that they finished the album and that Michael have it and no one, not even him has a copy or know where it is. When Michael leaves sony what will happen to them? They will loose the millions of dollars they make on his expense every year, and they will lose almost the only artist who sells in the age of the internet and piracy. According to an economic article, MJ saved sony music department from losses, you guessed it (after his d****), saying that without that, they would have continued to lose in the music section.
So, why would they keep him, they just wanted him out of the way, so they could control his stuff, but they still need him for the creative work, for the music stuff, because no one could do it like him, and we all saw the last album and how it had the vocals of someone else, and most of the fans am included, would have preferred the release of raw demos, rather than this. As long as Michael is not co-operating they still need him, because when they are done with him, he is out. He is the only one who knows where most of his unreleased work and plans, he is the only one who can get them out MJ style and no one else can do that. They wanted him to be under their control and do what they pleases like the other artists, but we all know that is not possible with MJ, he stopped working for years just because he doesn't want to work with them.
-Do you think the family knows?
-- Sure, they do, that's why Kathrine suddenly stopped speaking about a third autopsy and stopped doubting it, that's why Joe's name is dragged through mud every time he speaks, that's why he said (ask those who know!, i don't know as the people who know,,,when i know am gonna tell you) when larry asked him about where is Michael's body is, he should have said ask the FAMILY, since they were the ones doing everything while joe was away, but instead he said ask the people who know, not the family, at the time it didn't make any sense, and all of the fans thought it's hoax related, but it didn't add up with me, until i watched it again and looked at his body language, just looks how angry and serious he gets when asked that question, he stared at larry as a sign to stop pushing the matter forward, see it again. That's why all of a sudden they stopped talking a lot about conspiracy and so, including Latoya who was all over the place, now the best they could say is that murray was fall guy and the most they can do is accuse AEG and they know that is a lose situation. The only one who really thinks that he is the next MJ is jermaine and i already have my doubts about him, because just like in 2005 when geller introduced bashit to Michael and afterwards the trial started, this time in 2009 his brother introduced him to tohme and afterwards Michael was gone, and i am not gonna be convinced that jermaine didn't know tohme before introducing him, just like am not gonna be convinced that geller didn't know bashit before introducing him, illogical, and many other things, i have explained a lot in the site.
-Your question about the autopsy:
-- There is part of the truth in it and that is the IV drug levels for one reason only, when you are doing something like that, they sure have the coroner working with them but they can't have the entire stuff in on it, there are very few people involved, what happened is that the stuff went to the house (and not all of them like i said know), they went there, collected whatever they found and included in a report on the 26th (the report was written on that day, so they must have been in the house on the day of the incident the 25th), murray is not stupid (in other words the people who are operating him) he planted the rest of the drugs and bottles so it could appear as if Michael was using drugs like crazy. The same thing happened in the hospital, according to the paramedics report, murray called someone (an official) in UCLA right before they left, but again you can buy one person but you can't buy the entire hospital, so they took him there and the Head of the Emergency department was there with the responsible doctor and staff and according to her timeline (you can see it in the link, under the summary of what really happened to MJ, You are not allowed to view links.
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-Why would the make a hoax for small people?
--because they need to cover up their tracks, and it's always the minority that matters, the general public takes whatever they hear on the tv even if doesn't make sense, they take it and that's it, it's the minority that matters, because they dig and search and look for the truth, and they could be the ones uncovering them, so when they keep us busy for a hoax waiting for him to comeback and looking for the clues and so, we won't look for the truth and we won't follow real evidence we will keep looking at fake stuff. And after years when he won't come back, the fans would say he just want to be left alone but we know he is alright and everyone would be happy but him. I'll give you an example, a hollywood producer who was working on the movie scream, she said we used to set up forums and put fake theories on them so that the fans won't UNCOVER what's gonna happen in the next part, it was a method of DISTRACTION and it succeeded according to her, now the same question Why would a producer care about the minority of fans of the movie (you won't expect that all the people were online discussing the movie, only few)?
she answered it: SO THEY WON'T UNCOVER WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, DISTRACTION. The same is happening here, if they can do this with a movie or whatever, it's better used as murder or a kidnap cover up. Why don't you ask the same question: why would Michael care about a small number of fans to give him clues when he has to focus on himself if he is in danger and hiding? the logical answer is that he won't bother, when i am hiding for serious reasons i AM HIDING period, no trail, nothing that could endanger me or my life, and him hiding for a movie or a comeback, seriously for almost 2 years now, doesn't add up, he would be crucified for this and he is not stupid and he doesn't need that.
The minority matters more than the majority, because these are the thinkers, just let them in the wrong direction and they will complete and keep going on in circles forever. And they would allow everything to pass, even the autopsy documentary of discovery, and a fake album to be released under his name, just because they are looking for "CLUES", let's keep them busy while we are doing our work, stealing.
Again considering the drugs and the autopsy, i am a pharmacist and i sat with an anesthesiologist, and we calculated the dosage and everything, it's a perfect dosage for him, they are not high or anything, this am 100% sure about, he could even take up to 50 mls more and it won't be danger to him, and what the doctor said was IS HE SUPPOSED TO HAVE DIED FROM THIS? i told him yes, he nodded and said it doesn't make sense, because it's a perfect anesthesia cocktail that is being used in operations, and it's being given to him, the autopsy report has the truth mixed up and hidden with the rest of crap mentioned there, you just should be able to find it, and that is like i said you can't bribe the whole stuff to be on a conspiracy, so the things that were collected are true, the blood tests are true, just the comments and the other drugs which are not IV are false. To hide them, murray planted many boxes of even the IV drugs themselves and other pills and so on, because that's the best they could do when the people who are gonna collect the stuff come, because they can't tell the entire medical community, we have kidnapped him and you need to play along, you see what i mean.
I hope i answered your questions and if you want to discuss anything further please do, after all we want the truth, nothing more and nothing less. I kept referring you to the sites, because as you can see, i already wrote too much in this post, and it's really just main points i gave you, and it's that long, so you can read more details of you like on the sites and i'll be more than glad to answer anything and discuss anything further.
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« on: January 01, 2011, 08:30:59 AM »
@ignisaeternus: Hi, thanks and have a great year. I will try to answer the questions as much as i can because after all i don't have all the answers, but I am really glad to see your post. I'll keep referring you to the sites because this is too long am just mentioning the main points and i have already wrote too much as you can see.-Why would they take him? --Why did they try to put him in jail in 2005, they always wanted him out of the way, because he won't do anything they want. and to add to your question why now?, that is since i don't believe in coincidences at all, when you look at the timeline, Michael's contract with sony was due to end July 2009, and he was gonna leave them once and for all, and he was gonna have 100% of his royalties back in 2011, i have explained this in details. The incident happened in the 25th of June, 2009. Could this be a coincidence? I don't think so, that's a red flag to be raised. Why was he working on a new album to be released only at the time that he was leaving sony? That's right, because he was finally gonna be a free agent and work away from them, if he wanted to work with them again, he would have done so years before, but he didn't, he was working privately, until the time that his contract was gonna end and then worked professionally to prepare the album for release, except that it was away from sony, in a private studio, even Will.i.am said that they finished the album and that Michael have it and no one, not even him has a copy or know where it is. When Michael leaves sony what will happen to them? They will loose the millions of dollars they make on his expense every year, and they will lose almost the only artist who sells in the age of the internet and piracy. According to an economic article, MJ saved sony music department from losses, you guessed it (after his d****), saying that without that, they would have continued to lose in the music section.
So, why would they keep him, they just wanted him out of the way, so they could control his stuff, but they still need him for the creative work, for the music stuff, because no one could do it like him, and we all saw the last album and how it had the vocals of someone else, and most of the fans am included, would have preferred the release of raw demos, rather than this. As long as Michael is not co-operating they still need him, because when they are done with him, he is out. He is the only one who knows where most of his unreleased work and plans, he is the only one who can get them out MJ style and no one else can do that. They wanted him to be under their control and do what they pleases like the other artists, but we all know that is not possible with MJ, he stopped working for years just because he doesn't want to work with them.-Do you think the family knows? -- Sure, they do, that's why Kathrine suddenly stopped speaking about a third autopsy and stopped doubting it, that's why Joe's name is dragged through mud every time he speaks, that's why he said (ask those who know!, i don't know as the people who know,,,when i know am gonna tell you) when larry asked him about where is Michael's body is, he should have said ask the FAMILY, since they were the ones doing everything while joe was away, but instead he said ask the people who know, not the family, at the time it didn't make any sense, and all of the fans thought it's hoax related, but it didn't add up with me, until i watched it again and looked at his body language, just looks how angry and serious he gets when asked that question, he stared at larry as a sign to stop pushing the matter forward, see it again. That's why all of a sudden they stopped talking a lot about conspiracy and so, including Latoya who was all over the place, now the best they could say is that murray was fall guy and the most they can do is accuse AEG and they know that is a lose situation. The only one who really thinks that he is the next MJ is jermaine and i already have my doubts about him, because just like in 2005 when geller introduced bashit to Michael and afterwards the trial started, this time in 2009 his brother introduced him to tohme and afterwards Michael was gone, and i am not gonna be convinced that jermaine didn't know tohme before introducing him, just like am not gonna be convinced that geller didn't know bashit before introducing him, illogical, and many other things, i have explained a lot in the site.-Your question about the autopsy: -- There is part of the truth in it and that is the IV drug levels for one reason only, when you are doing something like that, they sure have the coroner working with them but they can't have the entire stuff in on it, there are very few people involved, what happened is that the stuff went to the house (and not all of them like i said know), they went there, collected whatever they found and included in a report on the 26th (the report was written on that day, so they must have been in the house on the day of the incident the 25th), murray is not stupid (in other words the people who are operating him) he planted the rest of the drugs and bottles so it could appear as if Michael was using drugs like crazy. The same thing happened in the hospital, according to the paramedics report, murray called someone (an official) in UCLA right before they left, but again you can buy one person but you can't buy the entire hospital, so they took him there and the Head of the Emergency department was there with the responsible doctor and staff and according to her timeline (you can see it in the link, under the summary of what really happened to MJ, You are not allowed to view links.
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she answered it: SO THEY WON'T UNCOVER WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, DISTRACTION. The same is happening here, if they can do this with a movie or whatever, it's better used as murder or a kidnap cover up. Why don't you ask the same question: why would Michael care about a small number of fans to give him clues when he has to focus on himself if he is in danger and hiding? the logical answer is that he won't bother, when i am hiding for serious reasons i AM HIDING period, no trail, nothing that could endanger me or my life, and him hiding for a movie or a comeback, seriously for almost 2 years now, doesn't add up, he would be crucified for this and he is not stupid and he doesn't need that.
The minority matters more than the majority, because these are the thinkers, just let them in the wrong direction and they will complete and keep going on in circles forever. And they would allow everything to pass, even the autopsy documentary of discovery, and a fake album to be released under his name, just because they are looking for "CLUES", let's keep them busy while we are doing our work, stealing.
Again considering the drugs and the autopsy, i am a pharmacist and i sat with an anesthesiologist, and we calculated the dosage and everything, it's a perfect dosage for him, they are not high or anything, this am 100% sure about, he could even take up to 50 mls more and it won't be danger to him, and what the doctor said was IS HE SUPPOSED TO HAVE DIED FROM THIS? i told him yes, he nodded and said it doesn't make sense, because it's a perfect anesthesia cocktail that is being used in operations, and it's being given to him, the autopsy report has the truth mixed up and hidden with the rest of crap mentioned there, you just should be able to find it, and that is like i said you can't bribe the whole stuff to be on a conspiracy, so the things that were collected are true, the blood tests are true, just the comments and the other drugs which are not IV are false. To hide them, murray planted many boxes of even the IV drugs themselves and other pills and so on, because that's the best they could do when the people who are gonna collect the stuff come, because they can't tell the entire medical community, we have kidnapped him and you need to play along, you see what i mean.
I hope i answered your questions and if you want to discuss anything further please do, after all we want the truth, nothing more and nothing less. I kept referring you to the sites, because as you can see, i already wrote too much in this post, and it's really just main points i gave you, and it's that long, so you can read more details of you like on the sites and i'll be more than glad to answer anything and discuss anything further.
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« on: December 31, 2010, 02:45:05 PM »
@bec: Yes they spoke about conspiracy, did they give any details? or they appear to the people and even the media as nut cases, speaking about people wanting his catalogue isn't new news to the people or those who knows Michael Jackson (fans), so what they said isn't new and of no danger at all on the bad guys, they didn't give any details, they are just speaking general words.
The problem is i can't base my opinion or facts on just the family reactions and how they behave, first because we don't have all the answers and we don't know them or what is going on with them behind close doors, it's not something to base your view of the case on, the police don't do that when they deal with real cases. All the documents, the timeline, the medical facts, court papers, motives,,,,,etc, point towards murder or taken against his will, if you checked my site, you're gonna see that i made a review of the documents Joe provided, the contracts, the money that was taken by the DA and GA, the testimony of Dr.Richelle Cooper the head of the ER department on that,,,,etc all of this can't be ignored because of how the family reacts.
Another thing is Michael really that stupid to do hoax based on drug OD, he knows how the public will react and what they will accuse him, this will affect his kids and his reputation till the end of times, does Michael really need a hoax to comeback! and when and if he comes back according to a hoax perspective, will the people love him more, or crucify him more and hate him more, and am not talking about the fans, am talking about the public and the media, when someone makes a hoax he does it for serious reasons, because he is threatened or there is a danger to his life, normal people do hoaxed everyday better than this one, and he won't care to send clues or whatever for the fans, if he is in danger he will think more about his safety and his kids, making a hoax for a comeback for over a year, is not a smart move and MJ doesn't need that, when the concerts where announced, the tickets were sold out on spot, that is MJ and he doesn't need to die to return, no good will come of this at all.
I have been looking at all of this for a long time, legal papers and his history and everything leads to a danger situation. It's not because it's my research or whatever, i don't care, but i have to say what i saw in the leads to this case, i wish am wrong, but with all the stuff, and after rowe's book, and reading the history for sony and all of that, everything points to a danger situation, it's not about me, it's about him, i don't care about me at all.
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« on: December 30, 2010, 11:18:00 PM »
@everlastinglove_MJ: You're welcome sweetie, they should know that, simple dose calculation will get them there, if they care in the first place, except that i believe that this case is one of two things, he is either taken against his will and is locked somewhere (due to medical facts and other stuff), or he is murdered, there is nothing else at least to me, and this hoax is being played on us big time as a huge cover up. If you wanna know more about my findings, please see this link, i didn't post the info in it here, because it's too long, and many members would find it annoying to have a post this long lol :lol: .
i hope you would check it out and if there is anything please let me know, will be glad to discuss it.
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« on: December 30, 2010, 11:10:41 PM »
@bec, thanks for the reply sweetie, I didn't say that the family are supporting the kidnappers, they are threatened by the bad guys using Michael and the kids, you can't risk you're own people, that's why Michael showed the kids right before the incident, from the family i believe that jermaine is involved he has the motive to do so, and out of all the brothers he was the one that thinks that he is the next MJ or something, dressing like him, acting like him,,,,etc, i just don't have a proof against except what the hell was he doing in the hospital with tohme and dileo, tohme the guy who Michael fired and feared and the one who signed this contract to trap him, and that jermaine was the one who introduced tohme to Michael in the first place, it's just like the 2005 trial, before the trial his so called friend, uri geller introduced Michael to bashir and right after the trial was up, this time his brother introduced him to tohme and right after, Michael is gone, they always wanted him out of the way and this time they did it.
The family is threatened, and it's obvious in many things, like when Kathrine filed a lawsuit against AEG and soon after the great tmz had an article against her telling her to stop, the same with Joe whenever he does anything they remind the fans on how bad he treated Michael, to make him lose credibility, when he filed the lawsuit against branca and co, they said it was for money, and i read the entire court documents papers and there was no money mentioned what so ever, it was all evidence against branca and co, no money asked what so ever, they are discrediting him, and many other examples.
Like you said it was allegedly reported that the photo was picked by Kathrine, how do we know that, after all the staples center and all of that belongs to AEG, this fact alone should make you wonder, when you are threatened there is no much you can do, especially when there is no one you can turn too, i have found evidence that the DA and the general attorney has took money from AEG and branca's office shortly before the incident, and that's no coincidence, the whole thing is corrupt, the court granting branca the thief a green card to do whatever he wants and pleases without getting back to them, no one is watching so do whatever you want. There are too many things that point to the direction am talking about, we are being played at big time, and it's a huge cover up, nothing more nothing less, i have been investigating this for a year and half now, looking at the legal and real stuff now, not what tmz and informers and so on giving to us. I posted most of the findings on a link here, i will post it and i would like to know what you think after you read it, i could post it on the forum, but it's too long, that's why i give the link. You are not allowed to view links.
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« on: December 30, 2010, 10:09:39 PM »
@nynyro: I am glad that we agree on this, because i really don't see a point from doing this, and Michael won't do this. Thanks for the links
@Im_convincedmjalive: I really can't see how this would shine a light on what Michael has went through, do you honestly think that the public give a damn, you know how they treat Michael and how they think of him and this will even make it worse, Michael's name could be in the media in much more respectful way, this is so degrading, they didn't do this even with the most vicious murderers and criminals in the world, have never heard about it, this is so degrading and humiliating on all measures, and the public don't need such a documentary to see that murray is guilty or not, one thing because again they don't care, the only people who cares are MJ's fans, and we don't need to see an autopsy show that is exploiting our man to be convinced that murray is guilty or anything. Michael won't go this far because this is so sick, and again this is not like the chamber rumor or whatever, this time it's humiliating and degrading, and will stay in the mind of the people forever, i just can't imagine how his kids would feel about this, put yourself in the same situation and you would know, this has no good at all, nothing but more humiliation for Michael and more exploitation using his name, we don't have to accept everything even stuff like that, just because you believe in a hoax.
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