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« on: September 09, 2012, 07:04:41 PM »
Okay, is it just me? I honestly think something odd is up with Paris these last few years. The way she is referring to Michael, who is supposed to be her loving father that tragically passed away, is just a little bit weird to me. It honestly appears to me that since Michael's public 'memorial' back in 2009, Paris has been acting more like a hardcore fan of Michael than his daughter - his only daughter for that matter. When we saw the 'memorial' back in 2009, it was then that I thought Paris was genuinely coming across as Michael's daughter. She called him "the best Daddy you could ever imagine'', she said she loved him literally in front of the whole world, and I just got the vibe that she loved her Dad and that she was a 'Daddy's girl' so-to-speak. Yes, we all know that since Michael lives, her tears were fake. But I DO believe that at the time she meant was she said. I bet Michael was and still is an amazing father, and I bet she does love him. Obviously, she has grown older and has become more mature, but I truly believe that no matter how old you are, a daughter will always be a daughter. No matter how old a daughter may be, she will always be close to her parents, especially the parent who was ''the best Daddy you could ever imagine''. And, if Michael IS actually gone, you'd think that his passing would bring Paris closer to him, almost like a 'you don't know what you've got till it's gone' sort of thing. But, to me, she's now acting like a hardcore fan, NOT a daughter who lost her only parent who was truly a gift to this world in many ways. But since the memorial, she has completed an interview with Oprah, she has gotten a verified account on Twitter, she has begun her acting career, and she has definitely become more public and accepted as an individual star - not just as being known as 'Michael Jackson's daughter'. She has also been writing messages to and about Michael on her Twitter and other social media outlets. After examining ALL of these things that she has been doing since the memorial, I honestly find it extremely weird how she, as his daughter, refers to Michael Let's start with Oprah. During her Oprah interview with Katherine, Paris showed us her bedroom. You'd think, as Michael's DAUGHTER, she would have personal, private pictures of herself and Michael that we fans have never seen before. You'd think those photos would be in nice frames beside her bed, with maybe a little momento Michael had given her sometime ago, etc. Just SOMETHING that ONLY Michael's daughter would have. But, that wasn't the case. When Paris showed us her bedroom, you saw posters of Michael. Just posters. In fact, I believe I even have some of the posters that she has. When I saw Paris' bedroom, it looked like a hardcore fan's bedroom. If I didn't know Paris, it would have NEVER occured to me, by looking at her bedroom, that she was Michael Jackson's daughter. I'm aware that during this interview Paris, Prince, Blanket, and Katherine were renting a house while their other home was being renovated or fixed up or something along those lines. Even with this in mind, I believe my point still stands. If my family and I were moving for a long enough period of time to actually rent another home, the FIRST thing I would bring with me would be personal momentos and pictures of my father who passed away. This is just my opinion.  Now let's examine her Twitter. On her Twitter, there have been times where Paris speaks of Michael in present tense, posts song lyrics, and she even said Happy Birthday to Michael this year. I know many of you don't believe the birthday thing to be odd, but I personally do. It's not like Michael 'passed away' the day before his birthday this year. He passed away 3 whole years ago. I personally think that, as a daughter, when you are living in the world without your only father for over 3 years, there's no real need to acknowledge his birthday anymore on social media. In real life, I can understand. I can understand Paris visiting Michael's 'grave', having a nice time in family sharing memories, etc. But is there truly a need to acknowledge Michael's birthday on Twitter and other social media if he's gone? The birthday represents a new mile stone in one's current existence on earth. Once you're no longer living, I don't believe one's birthday has any significance, especially if that person believes in Heaven and the afterlife, which is something I believe in strongly, so I admit that I am biased on this section of my post. Maybe it's just me, but I don't see the need to acknowledge Michael's birthday on social media as a daughter anymore. Acknowledging Michael's birthday on social media is something a FAN does. Which leads back to my whole point in this post - Paris isn't acting like Michael's daughter, more like a hardcore fan. Next, I find that whole ''Who Is Michael Jackson?'' message that Paris wrote a bit weird too. It's only weird to me because it's supposed to be coming from Michael Jackson's DAUGHTER. If a simple fan wrote that message, it wouldn't be weird to me at all. But since Paris is his daughter, I find it a bit weird that she would say, ''I've known him for over 10 years''. It just doesn't sound like something a daughter would say. If she truly loves her father, which I bet she does, don't get me wrong, I think she would make a much stronger and a much more touching sentence than that. Like, for example, ''I lost my father at 10 years old. I loved him SO much and always will. He was the best Dad I could have ever asked for and I truly believe I know him better than anyone'' or something along those lines. Like, when I describe who my Dad is to me, I NEVER think of how long I've known him for. I think about the incredible, loving, person he is no matter what people may say about him. Paris, as his daughter, should NOT have to try and prove anything to the world by giving a statistic of how long she has known Michael for. It's her DAD - of course she knows him well. She LOVES him, she doesn't just know him. It's just not something a daughter would say in my opinion. I honestly believe she's been acting so much like a fan. What do you guys think? Would love to hear your opinions! God Bless!
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« on: August 14, 2012, 09:59:18 AM »
I really, REALLY appreciate all of your hard work and your research. However, I am having trouble noticing the difference. Michael has admitted that in rehearsals he never goes all out and he never adds "omph" to his dancing and singing. I recall him saying that the reason why he doesn't go all out in rehearsals is because he wants to save the magic for the stage and the live audience. Magic isn't magic if every single move and note is rehearsed.
I will always believe that it is all Michael in This Is It. I really don't think Michael would use any imposters when it comes to his rehearsals and live performances. I don't think Michael would want to risk the imposter not doing him justice during performances. Michael has an insane reputation to defend when it comes to live performances and I believe that the only person who can defend his rep is Michael himself because no imposter will ever match his skill and expertise as a performer.
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« on: August 02, 2012, 10:33:24 AM »
@ iwantyouback. i just watched your live performance. you are gorgeous. all the best with your singing.
Thank you sooo much for all your kind words! I really appreciate it! And thanks for watching! God Bless
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« on: July 26, 2012, 07:02:04 PM »
Sorry for the off topic but I was in NY last December 2011 and I stayed in a hotel 25 meters far from Times Square, I was obsessed to get to Virgin Megastore A.S.A.P but somebody told me that was already closed from 5 years ago, I was like W*F... I love those videos of Michael signing and specially the one of the black girl telling him: "Will you marry me" so sweet... :icon_geek:
I was just in New York in June to record my album and I think I might have stayed in the same hotel as you! Where did you stay? The hotel I stayed at was called the Mariot Marquis - just 20ish meters away from Times Square, or should I say TS? ;-)
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« on: July 23, 2012, 08:13:00 AM »
Thank you very much for that information, Bec! It's much appreciated! God Bless - thanks.
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« on: July 22, 2012, 11:14:23 AM »
I don't think she's 'missing' at all. It's just another media stunt pulled by the family and planned probably by Michael. Something tells me the letter and this 'missing' report are all trial runs before Michael's big BAM. If there is a BAM.
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« on: July 22, 2012, 03:16:47 AM »
According to Jermaine, Katherine is in Arizona on doctor's orders. With Michael perhaps? :icon_cool:
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« on: July 19, 2012, 04:27:40 PM »
Oh how fun. The Jackson's Reality Show is back for another season.
:icon_lol: :th_bravo:
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« on: July 18, 2012, 05:29:39 PM »
Not surprised about this at all. Time to open the doors for the big BAM! (If there is a BAM)
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« on: July 18, 2012, 05:20:58 PM »
That last line made me feel a little bit sad, but I'm not losing my faith. I know in my heart that he is alive and that's all that matters.
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« on: July 17, 2012, 07:41:02 PM »
Sorry to "barge" into your discussion with Aussie, but I really feel like answering to some of your comments. Absolutely no need to apologize! I love discussing the hoax with anyone and everyone - feel free! Your opinion means just as much to me as Aussie's - and that goes for everyone. this is the way I see this: The dancers are actors and part of the hoax. They got paid for their job. And the tears were fake. You can definitely take it that way, but that's not how I take it. I had the opportunity to meet one of the dancers (Daniel Celebre) a couple times because he is from Toronto, which is right near my hometown. Daniel genuinely looks up to Michael - he LOVES the guy, he's a true fan, a true soldier of love. I guarantee you that his actions were not fake, and I can also guarantee you that he was devastated when he found out that he wasn't going to be able to perform live with Michael. But don't get me wrong, you are entitled to your opinion and I respect your opinion. I could be wrong. They didn't even have to be IN on it. The costume designers made the costumes and they were paid. It's none of their business what happens to the costumes after that. I rather doubt they were depressed because Michael didn't do the TII concerts with their costumes on. I think they were rather happy spending or investing the thousands of dollars (I'm just guessing) that they got for making them! I would agree with this comment if it was some stranger on the street hosting a Michael Jackson Tribute Concert. All the costume designers would create the costumes, give it to the stranger, take their money, and spend it on a lovely new television set, and they'd be thrilled with their life. But, unfortunately, that wasn't the case. This was Michael Jackson they were creating the costumes for. They probably worked 10 times harder than they would creating a costume for a stranger. They needed these costumes to be absolutely perfect for Michael and they worked SUPER hard. Money doesn't always buy happiness. If Michael Jackson came to me and said, "Jenn, I want you be a background singer for my This Is It tour. The only catch is that you wouldn't get any money for it whatsoever". I couldn't care less! It's MICHAEL JACKSON! The salary for me is being able to perform on stage with my idol! That's better than any amount of money. That's a memory that would never go away. I wouldn't doubt that this is the same case for a costume designer, a dancer, or even the waterboy who hands Michael Jackson his water after every song. Just my opinion, though. Maybe the point is not for them to make you believe in them , but for you to try harder to understand who they really are and what they're trying to tell us --> the MESSAGE
JMO! Yes, but if you don't find them trustworthy I doubt you're going to *fully* believe in their message. And so far, they haven't really given me any key information that would really make them trustworthy. We have had so many trolls come onto this website and claim to be someone they aren't it's crazy! We've been given tonnes of false information - so it's going to take a lot for me to fully believe in someone's message when I don't really know who they are, it's just human nature. But don't get me wrong, I WANT to believe in their message. I'm DYING to believe it. But I don't want my hopes to be built up and then shoved back down. So what you're asking is in fact a BAM. A BAM is not a clue. A BAM would mean the end of the hoax. That moment is still YET to come. Until then, we've received a LOT of BLUNT "in-yo-face" CLUES and confirmations from the family regarding both TS and Front.
But as I said, I think it's up to us to find them and understand them. It's not up to them to "make us believe in them". I'm actually not necessarily asking for a BAM. I'm asking for a never before seen, unedited picture of a recent Michael Jackson, similar to all of the 'Michael sightings' people have claimed to see, but without the editing. In my opinion, a BAM is Michael holding a press conference and showing himself to the WORLD, not posting up a picture just for BeLIEvers to see under the username of "Front" or "TS". Because even if Front or TS did post up that picture, I bet the world would still doubt it's the real Michael because they think he's dead. Again, just my opinion, I could easily be wrong. But we DO know the causes, reasons WHY he faked his death, amongst which: EOW, the Planet being endangered, real Justice clearing his name and image, etc.... These are just a few of the reasons which indicate us that there's got to be a BAM for them to be FINALIZED. We know SOME of the causes and reasons. There is no way we can know all of them because we aren't Michael Jackson. There could be an extremely personal reason for doing this hoax as well that only Michael knows about. And we can't say that there HAS to be a BAM for them to be finalized. We can say that it would make sense for there to be a BAM, but we just can't be sure. What if Michael is happy where he is and doesn't want to come back to his celebrity lifestyle? For the reasons we have, yes, a BAM would make sense. But, since I'm not Michael Jackson, I'm not going to walk around saying "Michael Jackson is going to be coming back soon!" I'm going to walk around saying, "I hope Michael comes back."
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« on: July 17, 2012, 02:21:22 PM »
i personally believe he actually never intended to do the concerts. (again JMO, and i could also be wrong) rather, just act like it was going to go ahead. I definitely see what you're getting at and I respect your opinion. But, the only thing that bothers me with this point of view is the dancers. Let's say for a minute that you're correct and that this is what Michael planned. You see at the beginning of This Is It that the dancers are in tears because they have almost realized their dream which was to perform live alongside Michael. Knowing how loving Michael is, and knowing how much he cares about the people of our world, why would Michael not allow for their dream to come true? Why would Michael tell them that he is looking for dancers to perform in front of live audiences with knowing that it wasn't going to happen? I think that would be a little cruel, unless the dancers were in on it and were doing some pretty incredible acting in the first scenes of This Is It. And although the issue with the dancers is my main complaint about this point of view that you have, the same goes for Kenny Ortega, the background singers, and especially the costume designers. In the This Is It credits, you see that Zaldi is creating a spectacular outfit for Michael by HAND. Michael put him to work on this knowing it was never going to happen - that just doesn't sound like something Michael would do. But, as I said before, every person involved in This Is It could be in on it, but it's unlikely in my opinion. re bam: just curious as it is kinda hard to keep track of what everyone believes. re: Front and TS - are you follower / believer? again, not judging, just curious. because there is obviously many occasions where both (or perhaps they are one and the same) promise a bam. even putting those two aside if you are not a follower / believer, what are your thoughts on family members illuding to a bam, Jermaine, Latoya, Paris, etc. Regarding Front and TS, I truly believe that no matter what, you can't trust everybody to the fullest. I WANT to believe that Front is Michael and/or that TS and Front know for sure that Michael is going to BAM, but I just don't know for sure and therefore I can't trust them fully. I'm not saying they're wrong, I'm just saying that they haven't given me enough to make me fully believe in what they're saying. If Front posted up a picture of Michael unedited - a picture we have never, ever seen before with a sentence like "See guys? I'm Michael! You have to believe me! And to make you believe me, I will tell you something about Jermaine no one else knows! *Insert shocking Jermaine secret here*" then I would gain more belief, but that hasn't happened yet to my knowledge. Regarding Jermaine, Latoya, Paris and the rest of the clues given by people in Michael's inner circle, while they are interesting, I don't think they all point to a BAM - I think they more or less point to Michael being alive, but not a for sure comeback. For example, when Latoya told all of us to watch "The Illusionist", I watched it, but at the end, we see Eisenheim living a happy life with his lover without coming back to being the world's greatest illusionist. That clue, in my opinion, points to Michael being alive, but does not point to a BAM. And I apologize, but I think I used the wrong choice of words when I said "I don't really believe in the BAM". If I may, I'd like to rephrase that to "I'm not quite sure if I believe in the BAM". The reason why I'm not sure if I believe in the BAM is because no one will ever know for sure what Michael has in mind. We aren't psychics or mentalists. In my opinion, we're fans who have found a bunch of interesting clues that we can only hope point to a BAM. The only one who knows if there will be a BAM or not is Michael. regarding endangerment: i believe it was always prudent of MJ to be concerned about his safety. anyone of that stature / profile, would be wise to protect their safety with body guards, high security, doubles, security teams at school around house, etc. (and sadly, mostly from fans!) look at what happened to Diana, John Lennon, MLK, etc. i get what you are saying about this, trust me. but i just dont believe that this was the case around time of 'death' because he was doing other things that were not conservative if his life was really threatened at this point, such as, being photographed leaving a 'public' hospital, on 'chase' with TMZ, 'public' press conference, going too and from staples in car trips, etc, fans 'knew his routine' from carolwood to staples every night. these don't appear to be actions of someone threatened at that point in time. I do agree that Michael has probably always been receiving death threats ever since he became famous with the Jackson 5. But just because Michael has received many in his life time doesn't mean that any of them should be taken lightly. Also, the level of severity for a death threat changes depending on whom it's from. When Michael was in the Jackson 5, the death threat could have been from a friend at his old school who is simply jealous of Michael's fame. But, when Michael was older, let's say for example his late 30's, it could have been from the Illuminati, the Mafia, or even AEG who is strictly against Michael's message and what he stands for. I think when someone receives threats that are this severe, then heavy action MUST be taken, no matter how many he has received in his life time. Also, as I stated in my earlier post, I think the threats got even more severe when Michael went on trial. For example, if you go to prison for being a child molester, you are then the most hated prisoner in the eyes of your fellow inmates. And even though Michael was proven not guilty, there are still some terrible, sick people who believe that he did in fact do those terrible things to those kids. Also, you'd think that if Michael has had SO many death threats throughout his life that he would never call Dieter and leave a voice mail about it. Don't you think that for Michael to literally pick up the phone and call a close friend of his at 2 AM he must have been pretty worried about it? Also, didn't Kenny Ortega state in an interview that Michael was afraid he was going to be assassinated at the concerts? I know that I recall him saying that, I just can't remember where or when. He actually could have stated it when he took the stand during the Conrad Murray trial.
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« on: July 16, 2012, 10:59:25 AM »
@ IWantYouBack, i just picked up on this comment, i missed reading it before.
Michael always said that no matter what he didn't want to be performing "Billie Jean" when he was 50 and that he just wanted to have a happy, worry-free life with his children. Why all of a sudden the change of heart? I personally believe that he wanted to do This Is It to pay off his debt, but then his life was threatened and had to do this hoax that was on the back-burner for a while. This is just my opinion though. Not saying you're wrong, and I'm not saying I'm right.
i am curious about your opinion. so do you believe that MJ intended to do TII concerts? (i personally believe there was no intention of ever doing the concerts, but i could be wrong and am happy to consider the alternative) i believe that the DVD was never concert rehersal recording, even though many people (doubles, singers, dancers, audo technicians etc, were employed to 'work' on such a project. i tend to think these people arent in on the hoax (most of them anyways) and that they thought they were participating in concert rehersal, when in fact they were really just filming TII. i believe that it was all for the DVD, not for a concert. again, JMHO i could be completely wrong. do you also think that the hoax was a fall back plan because of dollars or endangerment? i tend to think that DH is the master plan and has been since bad era, with a pointed start date, (being 25.06.09) with lots of preparation going into it years in advance. i personally doubt that DH was a plan there on the side, should he need to use it. also if he used DH because of being in danger, then why predict a BAM (TII, songs, family whispers, back, front, TS, etc) dunno, i strongly believe this. could be wrong and am happy to consider other alternatives, but right now i just don't see it being a fall back / escape plan.
i know this post is kinda off topic. and there are other threads dedicated to this, which i have read. but while we are at it quickly, does anyone else have an opinion on this? IWantYouBack, keen to hear your thoughts futher on this.
Hello! Thank you very much for your reply and your interest in my opinion, I really appreciate it. My answer to your question regarding This Is It is yes and no. I think in the very early stages, probably before Michael even chose the name for tour, he was definitely intending to do a series of concerts. I think Michael had a number of reasons to do these concerts, some reasons being more important than others. Michael said in so many interviews that he did NOT want to perform "Billie Jean" when he was 50 years old and that he just wanted to have a worry-free life with this children. This why I believe Michael's sudden change of heart was so odd. I think the main reason why Michael was intending to do a series of concerts was because he was in massive debt and somehow had to come up with the money and fast. But, I think the more Michael thought about doing the concerts, he thought of many other positive reasons to do the concert series. For example, while paying off his massive debt, he could show his children what kind of artist he was, and also reclaim the title of being the world's number one artist. Because even though Michael was and will always be the King of Pop, he wasn't on top of the current music industry in 2009, so I think that's another reason, while a very small reason, he wanted to do the series. I truly think the main reason was paying off his debt. So, I think in the early stages, Michael was definitely going to do the concerts. However, near the rehearsal period of This Is It, I think something happened. I truly believe Michael Jackson was threatened by someone and had to find another way to get the money he needed to pay off his debt, while still showing his children what he could do, and still reclaiming the title as the world's number one artist. And, I think the safest way for him to do this was a movie. So, I think once the dancers were chosen and Michael started "rehearsing", it was definitely a movie. But I do think the dancers and the rest of the This Is It crew are in on the hoax. In fact, Michael even admitted to Dieter that he was being threatened in those voice mails he left, remember? He said something along the lines of "I'm afraid for my life and for my children, we're being stalked, I want to be in a different environment". Even though those voice mails were left before This Is It, I still think Michael was being threatened by the time the world knew about Michael's This Is It tour.
So, in a nutshell: In the early stages of This Is It, Michael was intending to do the series. In the later stages, it was definitely intended to be a movie because Michael was threatened and could not chance doing a live performance because he could have been assassinated.Also, I remember reading someone's post asking why we are here looking for clues if Michael was threatened and did this quickly. I will give my opinion on that as well in case anyone is interested: I think Michael's life has been threatened many times since the BAD era when he began releasing more political songs (For example, Man In The Mirror, Heal The World, Earth Song, etc). So, since Michael's life was threatened already in the earlier years of his solo career, I think he has had this hoax planned and prepared for a long time just in case the death threats ever got very serious. I think the death threats got even more serious during and after his trial, so I think he was prepared to launch this hoax any day after his trial. Then, during This Is It rehearsals, I think the death threats got SO bad, he decided to put the hoax into action. Now, knowing Michael, no matter what the situation may be, he would want his fans knowing he's okay whether he was threatened or manipulating the media. And so, I think when he planned this hoax and put it on the back-burner in the BAD era, he made sure he had potential "clues" lined up for us. As for the BAM, I personally have never really believed in the BAM. Since I believe he was still being threatened during This Is It rehearsals, I'm not quite sure if he will BAM because then he is back to square 1 being threatened again. I think he will only BAM if the coast is clear and all of his enemies are either locked up or out of contact with him so then they can't reach him or his family. But again, just my personal opinion and view on the hoax. Not saying I'm right.
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« on: July 15, 2012, 10:27:19 PM »
Iwantyouback - i do agree on the point that some in the inner circle were up to no good. MJ has spoken many a time about misplaced trust and greed. there were definitely ppl doing underhanded things and there have been for years.
i just dont think MJ was the weak helpless victim all the time. MJ is a control freak. he knows what he is doing and some of his antics are planned. again, only JMHO. i have no proof either way.
having said that, even the most amazing people can make foolish financial decisions. MJ is not immune to that, i know.
Oh, I TOTALLY agree with you here! Don't get me wrong, I don't look at Michael and think that he is a helpless victim all of the time. You're totally right - Michael was a control freak and he called the shots almost all of the time. But I think when it comes to his debt, I think he was a victim in that specific case. @Bec I do understand what you mean when you say that debt = wealth. But I think that's only in some cases. I was always taught that debt was a bad thing, and if you can't pay it off, you're kind of in trouble. Michael always said that no matter what he didn't want to be performing "Billie Jean" when he was 50 and that he just wanted to have a happy, worry-free life with his children. Why all of a sudden the change of heart? I personally believe that he wanted to do This Is It to pay off his debt, but then his life was threatened and had to do this hoax that was on the back-burner for a while. This is just my opinion though. Not saying you're wrong, and I'm not saying I'm right.
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« on: July 15, 2012, 08:08:58 PM »
I personally do believe in the debt story. I think being in debt was one of the reasons why Michael planned this hoax. I am a HUGE fan of him and I really look up to him, he is and will always be my inspiration, but I'm not going to fool myself or be biased and say that he was in fantastic shape for the past decade. I honestly don't think he was. Health wise, I think Michael was and still is great, as we can see in This Is It. However, money wise, I think Michael was in a lot of debt and in trouble. We all saw the way Michael spent his money in the horrible "Living With Michael Jackson" documentary with Bashir. BUT, I don't blame the debt on Michael. Michael's financial managers and lawyers should have been looking after him and his money. It's not Michael's fault he got in debt because he has people to tell him whether or not he's in good enough shape to purchase expensive items like the ones in the documentary. And even though Michael likes to hire the best of the best, I don't think the people in Michael's inner circle were there to help him and make sure he's okay. The people around him were money hungry and couldn't have cared less about the state Michael was in financially - as long as they got their salary they were happy. I honestly wish with all of my heart this wasn't the case because Michael cared and still cares about everyone with all of his heart and soul. But what I really wish is that the people in his inner circle were more caring and loving like he is.
I think once the Estate pays the rest of the $25 million, that will open the doors for the big BAM - if there even is a BAM.
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