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Yes ...another painS .... but also right after he sings ..sorrow .... he breaths in and his lungs / bronkis whines ...like he has a lung problem.  Anyone else hear this ? 
When did MJ record and let the public hear anything less then perfect ? This for me is a sign :=)


Yeah I hear the wheeze, it sounds live to me its sorta weird O.o

Yes ...sounds live for me too.

Take care of yourself MJ !!!!

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Yes ...another painS .... but also right after he sings ..sorrow .... he breaths in and his lungs / bronkis whines ...like he has a lung problem.  Anyone else hear this ? 
When did MJ record and let the public hear anything less then perfect ? This for me is a sign :=)

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I wonder if they ran a tox on the cream.

         
I was thinking the same exact thing.... maybe that is why it was so important for CM to get back to the house to get the cream .... maybe he was poisoning him. ? Wonder if that is even possible ..... but something was very special about that cream for CM.

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HI all :=)
There is something strange with the pictures shown the first day of the trial. I don`t know if this has been mentioned before so I apologize if it has.
The "death" picture was shown together with a picture of one of MJ`s last performances at the staples center "earth song". ( When he was wearing the thick jacket because he was so cold ).  This was taken on the 24th June we have been told.   Now please correct me if anything of what I just said is wrong.
The thing is...... earth song was recorded at the forum.  You can see on TII film,earth song,  that the seats are orange colored. The seats at the staples ...are blue.  SO ....  It can not be one of the last pictures as we are told .....and ...why are they lying in court ?



Sorry I can`t print a picture here 

much love

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TMZ Articles / Re: Michael Jackson's Death Photo Frightening Intentions?
« on: September 28, 2011, 07:45:08 AM »
If this is indeed a picture of MJ dead  ... and presented as the background of a slide show ... It is the most disrespectful way of showing it I have ever seen in my life ... So horrible twords MJ and his family!

BUt .... this picture and the way it is presented makes me believe of a Hoax even more :=)
 

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"with strings attached" .... reminds me of a puppet .... being guided by the puppet master ..........MJ ;=) 

Real Thriller!

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Hi Voiceforthesilent
Yes I see what you mean .... Thank you so much for taking the time to explain this to me :=)

much love

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After the law took effect on Jan. 1, 2009, state regulators fined Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center $95,000 in connection with privacy breaches that year that sources said involved the medical records of Michael Jackson, who was taken to the hospital after his death in June 2009.

What does that mean ?  Was he dead on arrival now ?

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Rottiestyl

Thank you for sharing your story ... it really touched me.

much love

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Hoax Pictures / Re: MJ Findings
« on: June 25, 2011, 08:28:04 AM »
Quote from: "MadneZ"
I belive in my gut that MJ was disguesed as the hat man at the forest lawn funeral, disguised as someone who are in the hoax knowing about this. And the blonde woman is sitting behind him a few rows back. And it is clearly a woman.

BUT

At the funeral/the big memorial where everyone sang, I belive that MJ disguised himself as the blonde woman.

I hope you understand what I am trying to write here.

The hat man aka MJ was on the funeral (fake one) and the real blonde woman was also there.

BUT

At the memorial (where all sang) MJ disguised himself as the blonde woman, and the REAL hat man was there.

Because the hat man on the memorial does NOT look like the same hat man at the funeral.
The same goes with the blonde woman!

MJ is a smart man, he would know better than to disguise himself to a complete fake person that does not excist in reality and to be in the same disguise at the both events.

So yeah, MJ is both the blonde woman and the hat man, but on two different occasions ;)

Thats my gut feeling and I belive it 100%


I totally agree with you.

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Hoax Pictures / Re: MJ Findings
« on: June 25, 2011, 08:24:46 AM »
Madnez

Many thought this could have been MJ with a ponytail.  But if I remember correctly ... it was agreed that he is a paramedic and the ponytail is just a shadow. Please correct me anyone if I am wrong.

much love

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Hoax Pictures / Re: MJ Findings
« on: June 23, 2011, 11:06:04 AM »
Quote from: "MadneZ"
I found another interesting thing, I have added new pictures & you can compare them yourselves.

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The HatMan MAYBE be wearing an armband that MJ wore! Look closely. + HatMan & Latoya using the same hat?


Hi :=)

In the first picture of MJ , to me it looks like the edge of a sleeve and not an armband.  He seems to be wearing a tight, skin colored shirt.  Anyone else see what I see ?  You can also see that the same color type of shirt is curled just under his throat on his upper chest.
Who knows ...maybe he was keeping warm ...or hiding the vitaligo.
The first picture of hatman is very interesting.... it looks like the edge of a glove ... and together with seemingly tight skin ...could it be a way to make the hands smaller ? MJ does have very big hands and is a giveaway.

much love

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References & Similarities / Re: Astrology - MJ interpretation and forecast
« on: February 02, 2011, 01:19:10 PM »
Sorry, something went wrong ... here should now be comp.  MJ- Elizabeth Taylor .. 29 Jan 1958 :)


                  The Cosmo Compatibility Report for

                        MJJackson

                           and

                        Elizabeth Taylor



Data for MJJackson:                Data for Elizabeth Taylor:
August 29, 1958                    February 27, 1932
7:33 PM                            2:15 AM
Gary, Indiana                      London, England
41 N 35 36  87 W 20 47             51 N 30     0 W 10  
Daylight Savings Time observed     Standard time observed
Time Zone: 6 hours West            Time Zone: 0 hours West

Sun      6 deg 09 min Virgo        Sun      7 deg 17 min Pisces
Moon    14 deg 54 min Pisces       Moon    15 deg 36 min Scorpio
Mercury 25 deg 25 min Leo          Mercury  7 deg 28 min Pisces
Venus   17 deg 04 min Leo          Venus   17 deg 09 min Aries
Mars    22 deg 02 min Taurus       Mars     1 deg 34 min Pisces
Jupiter 28 deg 32 min Libra        Jupiter 15 deg 11 min Leo
Saturn  19 deg 07 min Sagittarius  Saturn   0 deg 19 min Aquarius
Uranus  13 deg 30 min Leo          Uranus  17 deg 03 min Aries
Neptune  2 deg 35 min Scorpio      Neptune  6 deg 36 min Virgo
Pluto    2 deg 10 min Virgo        Pluto   20 deg 13 min Cancer




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MJJackson's Sun in Virgo and Elizabeth Taylor's Sun in Pisces:

     You are opposites in many ways, and yet you can be complementary. MJJackson is discriminating, precise,
analytical, critical, and something of a perfectionist. Order, exactitude, and attention to details are important to
MJJackson. Elizabeth Taylor, on the other hand, is more concerned with the overall feeling and can be quite lax,
disorganized, and downright sloppy, compared to MJJackson. Elizabeth Taylor is also much less judgmental and
difficult to please than MJJackson is. Elizabeth Taylor's accepting attitude can be very comforting to MJJackson,
who tends to be too hard and self-critical. But Elizabeth Taylor's inability to set limits, stick to diets, budgets, or abide
by rules in general may irritate MJJackson, especially if you two work closely together or live together. Both of you
have a gentle and basically humble nature and you both need a lot of sympathetic understanding from friends. You
can be excellent friends. MJJackson's clear factual reasoning ability balances Elizabeth Taylor's emotionalism, and
Elizabeth Taylor's emotional sensitivity and compassion balance MJJackson's tendency to be too analytical.

MJJackson's Moon in Pisces and Elizabeth Taylor's Moon in Scorpio:

     You are both very intuitive and psychically receptive, and you sense what is going on inside others even when they
try to hide it. You have a very sympathetic rapport with one another, and you may get so enmeshed with each other
that it is hard for you to tell whether you are feeling your own emotions and responses, or those of your friend.

     Both of you are very, very sensitive, but the difference between you is this: Elizabeth Taylor will hold onto hurt
feelings and may harbor unexpressed resentments, jealousies, secret fears, and guilt for a long, long time. MJJackson,
on the other hand, is much more forgiving, tolerant, and ready to make excuses for the offender. Elizabeth Taylor is
more of a fighter and wants to retaliate when injured; MJJackson is basically a peace-loving pacifist who would
rather not create more conflict.

     Though you both feel very deeply, you may not be very articulate about your feelings and inner experiences. You
share an affinity for music. Living near water would be beneficial for both of you.

MJJackson's Sun Conjunct Elizabeth Taylor's Neptune:

     You trigger one another's imagination and idealism. When it comes to practical matters and tangible, practical
accomplishments, the two of you fail to coordinate effectively. Many times you fail to really understand each other,
and it takes a long time for you to overcome superficial, stereotyped perceptions of each other.

MJJackson's Sun Opposition Elizabeth Taylor's Sun:

     Although the two of you have many basic differences in your personalities, you are, nevertheless, compatible and
able to complement each other.

MJJackson's Sun Opposition Elizabeth Taylor's Mercury:

     Lively exchanges of ideas are common between the two of you. Fortunately, you understand each other well, but
unfortunately you sometimes have opposite opinions and perspectives on an issue. Despite your differences, you
work together very well in practical matters, planning, organizing, developing or communicating ideas, and your
differing viewpoints are not likely to be a serious problem.

MJJackson's Sun Opposition Elizabeth Taylor's Mars:

     This is an active, energetic relationship and you can accomplish a great deal together. Be wary, however, of the
tendency to butt heads when your combined dynamic energy makes you both feel impatient.

Elizabeth Taylor's Moon Square MJJackson's Venus:

     There is much warmth and kindness in this relationship and you are supportive and helpful to each other.
 However, many times the expression of your affection or high regard for each other is frustrated by your differing
tastes and values.  A classic example of this problem is one of you buying a birthday present for the other but
unfortunately the present does not suit the taste and preferences of the one receiving it.

Elizabeth Taylor's Moon Square MJJackson's Uranus:

     The two of you can be eccentric and zany together.  You snap each other out of your usual habits and you act
spontaneously and creatively.  Many times it is difficult for the two of you to focus on practical, mundane affairs
together - you would rather spend your time together doing something more exciting and original.  This relationship
follows an unpredictable course and you are likely to come together and then drift apart frequently and unexpectedly.

MJJackson's Moon Trine Elizabeth Taylor's Moon:

     Your moods, feelings, overall disposition, and personal tastes are very compatible and harmonious. There is a
natural sympathy and appreciation that you share.

MJJackson's Venus Conjunct Elizabeth Taylor's Jupiter:

     You enjoy each other's company immensely and you put each other in a happy mood. You make each other
laugh and you feel very open, loose, and jovial around each other. There is a great deal of generosity between you,
and you may benefit one another financially and materially as well as emotionally. A wonderful friendship!

MJJackson's Venus Trine Elizabeth Taylor's Venus:

     There is a beautiful flow of love between the two of you, and you are able to both give and receive affection,
appreciation, and tenderness in this relationship. You enjoy the same pleasures and find it easy and natural to do
those things that really please and make your friend happy. Your tastes in aesthetics is also very compatible.

MJJackson's Venus Trine Elizabeth Taylor's Uranus:

     This is a lively, enthusiastic, exciting relationship. You feel very uninhibited with each other and are able to express
yourselves freely with each other. If you both enjoy dancing, music, or similar sports, then you have found an
excellent partner for these activities!

Elizabeth Taylor's Venus Trine MJJackson's Saturn:

     There is a great deal of mutual trustworthiness, reliability, and responsibility in this relationship that makes you
both feel that you can count on each other. You willingly make sacrifices for each other, and a deep friendship
between you develops over time. You will assist each other a great deal over the years.

Elizabeth Taylor's Mars Opposition MJJackson's Pluto:

     There is a dynamism and energy in this relationship that can spur the two of you to work hard together towards a
shared goal, but at times you are also likely to feel like adversaries. You can end up in bitter power struggles with
each other, and feel like your friend is trying to manipulate you. To prevent these problems, you must be able to
accept differences of opinion and differing goals and ambitions. MJJackson, especially, must avoid dominating or
undermining Elizabeth Taylor's efforts. You can drive one another to extremes.

Elizabeth Taylor's Mars Trine MJJackson's Jupiter:

     The two of you form an effective, dynamic team in any venture or endeavor. You work together very well in
accomplishing daily tasks, and it is likely that you will also successfully coordinate efforts on joint efforts as well.
MJJackson provides the vision, the social contacts, and ideas, while Elizabeth Taylor provides energy, decisive will,
and enthusiasm.

Elizabeth Taylor's Mars Trine MJJackson's Neptune:

     You enjoy watching movies, reading novels, discussing music and the arts, and pursuing religious or metaphysical
areas together. You work well together in any area that involves a strong imaginative element. The spiritual bond
between you is strong, and as you spend time together, your ideals and your sense of purpose in life becomes more
refined and intertwined.

MJJackson's Mars Sextile Elizabeth Taylor's Pluto:

     You build one another's courage, and bring out the Hero in one another.  Together, you have an enormous
amount of energy for working and accomplishing.  Elizabeth Taylor, especially, may drive or push MJJackson further
than MJJackson could go or would want to go alone.

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References & Similarities / Re: Michael himself says he was 9 in 1969...
« on: February 02, 2011, 11:39:05 AM »
Quote from: "RunFaYaLife"
Oh IMO  I think he was a hardcore Virgo with Leo tenancies....his personality certainly exhibited such.


I agree with you 100% ...the virgo "perfectionist" and leo "artistry"....together with his pisces moon conjunct pisces ascendent ..." wearing his feelings on his sleeves" ....who else could write the song "Heal the World" :=)
  For those interested I have compatibility reports MJ Liz Taylor and MJ Joe Jackson here :  

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Interesting read :=)

much love

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References & Similarities / Re: Astrology - MJ interpretation and forecast
« on: February 02, 2011, 11:23:29 AM »
Hi all :=)))

I had a nice read the other day and thought I might share.  It is from my computer astrology program. It is a compatibility report between MJ and Liz Taylor and between MJ and Joe Jackson using both birth dates for MJ ... 28 jan 1960 and  29 aug 1958.  So 4 reports.  I found it very interesting.  My feeling is that his correct birth date is indeed 29 aug...... but hei.... be your own judge :=))

Enjoy

much love


  The Cosmo Compatibility Report for

                        michael jackson

                           and

                        joe jackson



Data for michael jackson:          Data for joe jackson:
January 28, 1960                   July 26, 1929
7:33 PM                            3:23:28 PM
Gary, Indiana                      Fountain Hill, Arkansas
41 N 35 36  87 W 20 47             33 N 21 28  91 W 51 01
Daylight Savings Time observed     Standard time observed
Time Zone: 6 hours West            Time Zone: 6 hours West

Sun      8 deg 07 min Aquarius     Sun      3 deg 22 min Leo
Moon    18 deg 27 min Aquarius     Moon     1 deg 09 min Aries
Mercury  9 deg 47 min Aquarius     Mercury 28 deg 26 min Cancer
Venus    2 deg 14 min Capricorn    Venus   19 deg 43 min Gemini
Mars    11 deg 01 min Capricorn    Mars    13 deg 40 min Virgo
Jupiter 24 deg 33 min Sagittarius  Jupiter  9 deg 14 min Gemini
Saturn  12 deg 42 min Capricorn    Saturn  24 deg 45 min Sagittarius
Uranus  19 deg 30 min Leo          Uranus  11 deg 21 min Aries
Neptune  9 deg 06 min Scorpio      Neptune  0 deg 05 min Virgo
Pluto    5 deg 33 min Virgo        Pluto   18 deg 20 min Cancer




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michael jackson's Sun in Aquarius and Elizabeth Taylor's Sun in Pisces:

     Both of you are very open-minded and tolerant toward new ideas, the unusual and unconventional. michael
jackson, however, is much more cerebral than Elizabeth Taylor, who is essentially intuitive and emotional. While
michael jackson is cool, rational, and always able to give excellent reasons for an opinion or position, Elizabeth
Taylor is frequently unable to articulate the feeling, values, and subtleties that color and shape his/her attitude or
position. Also, Elizabeth Taylor is a very sympathetic, compassionate person who feels others' needs and pain very
directly. michael jackson has a humanitarian outlook but is often more concerned with Principles and Ideals rather
than with real people and their actual human situations. michael jackson, in fact, is capable of considerable emotional
detachment and objectivity - unlike Elizabeth Taylor who is hopelessly subjective.

     michael jackson is uncomfortable with too much emotionality and dependency, and Elizabeth Taylor may want
more sympathetic understanding than michael jackson is capable of.

michael jackson's Moon in Aquarius and Elizabeth Taylor's Moon in Scorpio:

     Your emotional natures and needs are so different that there is likely to be quite a bit of dissonance or conflict
between you, unless you both come to understand and accept one another. However, you are both quite fixed in
your own ways and are not always receptive to changing unless it is on your own terms.

     Emotions are a powerful force in Elizabeth Taylor's life and Elizabeth Taylor can become obsessed with a feeling
or desire, while michael jackson is much more detached and often out of touch with feelings and emotions. Elizabeth
Taylor's intensity may be met in a cool, dispassionate, highly rational way - or simply by a total lack of
comprehension by michael jackson.

     Also, Elizabeth Taylor is intensely private and personal, while michael jackson is very social and needs to
participate in the world at large. Involvement in groups, associations, clubs, or community affairs is important to
michael jackson. michael jackson's interests are broad and michael jackson needs intellectual companionship and
sharing on a mental or spiritual level, which is something Elizabeth Taylor may or may not appreciate.

Elizabeth Taylor's Sun Opposition michael jackson's Pluto:

     The two of you become very zealous when you get together. You connect on a deep level and you motivate each
other to pursue goals that are really interesting and exciting. You push each other out of a complacent attitude and
galvanize one another's energies. You enjoy intense experiences together. If either of you feels manipulated or
cheated by the other, however, you will become fierce opponents and rivals.

Elizabeth Taylor's Sun Trine michael jackson's Neptune:

     The two of you have a strong intuitive understanding of each other, and you inspire each other's imagination,
idealism, and aspirations. You help each other to become clearer about your ideals and religious inclinations, and
together you develop a greater sense of meaning and purpose in your lives. You help each other to look beyond the
daily problems and issues of your personal lives and focus more on altruistic goals and broader issues.

michael jackson's Moon Opposition Elizabeth Taylor's Jupiter:

     You enjoy joking with each other and simply having a good time together. You cheer and encourage one another,
and have a knack for snapping each other out of a bad mood. Many times the mood is so light and carefree that you
may find it difficult to be more serious with each other. Play, humor, socializing, or partying are likely to be important
elements of your relationship.

michael jackson's Moon Square Elizabeth Taylor's Moon:

     There are many differences in your personal habits and tastes. You are inclined to become very annoyed with
each other over minor differences. Irritations over small differences of opinion and a tendency to be inconsiderate
towards each other can make you both feel uncomfortable. These annoyances are not likely to lead to major upsets
or seriously threaten the integrity of your relationship, but they are a nuisance. You must learn to respect the
differences in your temperaments and personal habits, and strive to be aware of each other's needs.

Elizabeth Taylor's Moon Square michael jackson's Uranus:

     The two of you can be eccentric and zany together.  You snap each other out of your usual habits and you act
spontaneously and creatively.  Many times it is difficult for the two of you to focus on practical, mundane affairs
together - you would rather spend your time together doing something more exciting and original.  This relationship
follows an unpredictable course and you are likely to come together and then drift apart frequently and unexpectedly.

michael jackson's Moon Sextile Elizabeth Taylor's Venus:

     There is much warmth and kindness in this relationship. Both of you find it easy to express kindness openly
towards each other, and the emotional rapport is excellent. This friendship is likely to be a lasting, harmonious one.

michael jackson's Moon Sextile Elizabeth Taylor's Uranus:

     There is an upbeat, enthusiastic, spontaneous quality to your relationship. You spark each other's imagination,
creativity, and wit. You feel loose and uninhibited with each other, and you enjoy exploring life and sharing new
experiences.

Elizabeth Taylor's Mercury Opposition michael jackson's Pluto:

     Your conversations have a deep, probing quality. You uncover hidden aspects of yourselves and, in general, you
find that you can share at a much deeper level than you can with most people. If you encounter a topic where you
strongly disagree with each other, you will both hammer on this issue until it is resolved or until death - whichever
comes first!

Elizabeth Taylor's Mercury Trine michael jackson's Neptune:

     You enjoy discussing any subject that has an imaginative or mystical quality - art, music, fiction, theatre, or
religion. You kindle each other's imagination and ideals. You work together well in the arts and in humanitarian areas.
You have a strong intuitive and psychic rapport and often understand each other without need for words.

Elizabeth Taylor's Venus Trine michael jackson's Uranus:

     This is a lively, enthusiastic, exciting relationship. You feel very uninhibited with each other and are able to express
yourselves freely with each other. If you both enjoy dancing, music, or similar sports, then you have found an
excellent partner for these activities!

michael jackson's Venus Sextile Elizabeth Taylor's Mars:

     You inspire affection and love in one another, and have a particularly warm friendship.  You also spark one
another's creativity, artistic urges, and desire for beauty.  This is a felicitous combination!

Elizabeth Taylor's Mars Opposition michael jackson's Pluto:

     There is a dynamism and energy in this relationship that can spur the two of you to work hard together towards a
shared goal, but at times you are also likely to feel like adversaries. You can end up in bitter power struggles with
each other, and feel like your friend is trying to manipulate you. To prevent these problems, you must be able to
accept differences of opinion and differing goals and ambitions. michael jackson, especially, must avoid dominating or
undermining Elizabeth Taylor's efforts. You can drive one another to extremes.




                  The Cosmo Compatibility Report for

                        MJJackson

                           and

                        joe jackson



Data for MJJackson:                Data for joe jackson:
August 29, 1958                    July 26, 1929
7:33 PM                            3:23:28 PM
Gary, Indiana                      Fountain Hill, Arkansas
41 N 35 36  87 W 20 47             33 N 21 28  91 W 51 01
Daylight Savings Time observed     Standard time observed
Time Zone: 6 hours West            Time Zone: 6 hours West

Sun      6 deg 09 min Virgo        Sun      3 deg 22 min Leo
Moon    14 deg 54 min Pisces       Moon     1 deg 09 min Aries
Mercury 25 deg 25 min Leo          Mercury 28 deg 26 min Cancer
Venus   17 deg 04 min Leo          Venus   19 deg 43 min Gemini
Mars    22 deg 02 min Taurus       Mars    13 deg 40 min Virgo
Jupiter 28 deg 32 min Libra        Jupiter  9 deg 14 min Gemini
Saturn  19 deg 07 min Sagittarius  Saturn  24 deg 45 min Sagittarius
Uranus  13 deg 30 min Leo          Uranus  11 deg 21 min Aries
Neptune  2 deg 35 min Scorpio      Neptune  0 deg 05 min Virgo
Pluto    2 deg 10 min Virgo        Pluto   18 deg 20 min Cancer




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MJJackson's Sun in Virgo and joe jackson's Sun in Leo:

     You two are very different! MJJackson is more modest, self-effacing, shy, and unobtrusive than joe jackson, who
craves social approval, recognition, love, and applause. joe jackson tends to step into the limelight and outshine or
overpower MJJackson. MJJackson is more emotionally self-sufficient than joe jackson is, and may not give joe
jackson all of the "strokes" and appreciation joe jackson wants.

     MJJackson also has a tendency to become fussy and particular, and these fits of perfectionism can have
disastrous consequences when the target of MJJackson's critical eye is joe jackson. joe jackson is particularly
sensitive to criticism and tends to interpret MJJackson's "constructive criticism" as a personal attack. MJJackson is
more analytical and psychologically astute than joe jackson, who may not appreciate being "picked apart" or
psychologically analyzed by MJJackson! Another problem in this relationship is that joe jackson may take for granted
much of the work and assistance that MJJackson provides.

MJJackson's Moon in Pisces and joe jackson's Moon in Aries:

     Your instinctive emotional responses and emotional needs are so different that quite often you rub each other the
wrong way or cause offense to one another unintentionally.

     joe jackson has an eager, active, take-charge attitude that is somewhat abrasive to MJJackson, who is gentle,
receptive, very sensitive, and rather passive.

     joe jackson is direct and confrontational, and can be quite irritated with MJJackson's vagueness, over-sensitivity,
and tendency to seek escape or avoid conflict. joe jackson is somewhat volatile and needs to express anger and
other emotions rather than bottling them up. Once released, joe jackson forgets these outbursts rather quickly, but
MJJackson is often left feeling hurt or upset by the disruption. MJJackson craves peace, tranquility, and a sort of
idyllic environment.

     Also, MJJackson has a strong need for closeness and sympathy, while joe jackson prefers to be (or at least acts)
self-reliant and independent. MJJackson is extremely flexible and adaptable and often unfocused or unclear about
personal direction, and joe jackson may dominate or take advantage of MJJackson's willingness to give and bend.

MJJackson's Sun Square joe jackson's Jupiter:

     Enthusiasm, optimism, and good will are very strong. joe jackson is able to see ways that MJJackson can grow,
expand, and develop in practical and concrete ways as well as in attitude and inner ways. joe jackson, however, may
try to push MJJackson too hastily and be deceived by unrealistic expectations, resulting in foolish joint speculations
and unsuccessful ventures. Try not to let your shared enthusiasm and optimism spawn unrealistic hopes and
expectations.

joe jackson's Sun Square MJJackson's Neptune:

     You must guard against mutual deception and misunderstandings. joe jackson tends to have an unrealistic view of
MJJackson, and MJJackson has a tendency to unconsciously capitalize on joe jackson's imaginative and often simply
erroneous perceptions. The tendency to be dishonest, hide things from each other, exaggerate, and spur each other
to unrealistic hopes and dreams is very strong. Both of you must be able to distinguish fantasy from fact, and utilize
the increased sensitivity and heightened imagination that you inspire in each other, without letting it cloud your ability
to clearly and realistically see other and understand each other.

MJJackson's Moon Opposition joe jackson's Mars:

     Both of you get into an energetic mood when you are together. If you share an interest in the same sport (for
example tennis or golf) you will enjoy competing against each other. However, you easily become impatient with each
other and easily provoke each other's anger and hostility. You will need to be careful to avoid becoming adversaries.

MJJackson's Moon Trine joe jackson's Pluto:

     The two of you will grow to be very close friends.  You are able to really "feel" what the other is saying. For
example, whether you are playing sports, watching a movie, or showing each other something you really like, you find
that most often you can do it with an intensity and depth of feeling that you cannot express to most people.

MJJackson's Mercury Conjunct joe jackson's Neptune:

     There is a poetic, fanciful quality to your conversations. joe jackson brings out the poet and dreamer in
MJJackson. Communications on practical matters, however, may suffer and you both need to be wary of
exaggerating, hiding, or deceiving each other. When with joe jackson, MJJackson is often confused, less clear and
less precise than usual.

joe jackson's Mercury Square MJJackson's Jupiter:

     This relationship has a marked effect on the overall attitudes and beliefs of both of you, but particularly of joe
jackson. You challenge each other's religious, political, and philosophical beliefs. You may experience differences of
opinion that are difficult to reconcile. You are also inclined to take risks together and speculate, sometimes foolishly.

MJJackson's Mercury Trine joe jackson's Saturn:

     You work together well on practical problems. You help each other refine and clarify your ideas, and help "edit"
each other's work. Consequently you make a very effective team in business affairs and important or exacting work.

joe jackson's Venus Opposition MJJackson's Saturn:

     Emotional distance or coolness, and an inability to feel sufficiently appreciated are problems you are likely to face
in this relationship. joe jackson, in particular, can feel dominated, stifled, or inhibited socially and emotionally by
MJJackson. There may be other, more positive astrological influences to offset this basically difficult dynamic
between the two of you, but even so there are times when you feel criticized or unappreciated by each other.
MJJackson, in particular, must try to avoid being too critical or demanding of joe jackson.

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