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« on: November 11, 2010, 05:45:18 AM »
Maybe you could add something to the title of this thread?
I didn't open it, because I thought it was spam -lol
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« on: November 07, 2010, 08:12:47 AM »
There are nine pages to this thread (that I haven't read )so bare with me if the point has been raised already. What's up with the old photos for the cover? We just saw TII and the O2 press conference last year. Why not use the most recent images that the public has seen of MJ instead of these? These photos of MJ are decades old. Does anyone have any guesses or speculation on why this was done?
i think maybe is because they have a poll in michaeljackson.com asking what of al times images of MJ you love most and maybe they choose the most voted... just a thought!
As there seems to be the arm of the History statue (and the sparking of the welding work from the DVD entrance), I'm assuming the cover is a full time line of MJs solo career.
Maybe it's even a three part cover with more to the left, but I expect the later eras to show up on the cover as well on the right side.
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« on: November 06, 2010, 06:31:49 AM »
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Register or LoginResponse from Prince's camp: "No permission was granted."Sony Records began pre-selling the new MICHAEL release recently (CD and DVD). The cover, designed by painter Kadir Nelson, is a collage of MJ pics and icons. If you look REALLY closely at the tiger on the right hand side, you’ll notice the Prince symbol floating in a glass orb. Yes, THAT Prince symbol. Someone sent it to us and at first we thought it was a Photoshop hoax, but when you visit the Sony website and check out the album artwork, it’s very clearly there. So was Prince involved somehow in one or more of the tracks on the new release? According to Sony, Kadir’s painting was created in 2009 and “takes us on a journey through some key moments and important people in Michael Jackson’s life.” Whether Prince and MJ collaborated or Prince was just considered “important people” in MJ’s life remains to be seen. If there is a Prince/MJ collaboration, we definitely want to hear it! To add to the mystery: Next Monday, November 8th, michaeljackson.com will world premiere “Breaking News,” a full track from the album. It was recorded in New Jersey in 2007. Prince, want to clear this one up for us? -Dr.FB UPDATE (1:45pm PST): The official response from Prince’s camp: “No permission was granted. Sony Entertainment
has removed the symbol.” – Dr.FB]
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« on: November 05, 2010, 04:05:48 PM »
Oh, I won't be able to manage the site.
I can build/create a site for you and of course I can put up new content etc. and wouldn't leave you alone with that, but I'm a single mother and self-employed. Sometimes I have time, sometimes I have to work day and night for weeks on a job.
So I can't load a project like this onto my shoulders and it would not be responsible to do so, because I would want to be reliable - but this I can't promise.
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« on: November 05, 2010, 01:49:34 PM »
I love the idea, Souza!
I'm a graphic and web designer and I'd be able to create a website, but I don't have enough time right now :-(
When do you want to kick off?
Great! When do you have time?
I'm in the middle of a big project, so probably not before end of November/beginning of December. Gema just wrote, that Mo wants to do it? I didn't read that and I didn't want to push to the front! So, if you need me, I'm willing to contribute.
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« on: November 05, 2010, 11:37:51 AM »
I love the idea, Souza!
I'm a graphic and web designer and I'd be able to create a website, but I don't have enough time right now :-(
When do you want to kick off?
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« on: November 04, 2010, 06:13:29 PM »
Unfortunately it's from the "Leave Me Alone" video - not Weekly World News, but World Weekly Word. It's probably a reference to them, but as it appeared in the video, it could mean something totally different... Then again... Michael "died" at age 50. So he was frozen (captivated) for 50 years? [attachment=1:2zyeapbv]You are not allowed to view links.
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« on: November 04, 2010, 05:59:17 PM »
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WEEKLY WORLD (NEWS)?
This is the satirical magazine, that uses to write, that he's alive!
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« on: November 04, 2010, 07:05:52 AM »
Listen to this:
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You can still tell it's not Michael, but his timbre is perfect!
With a special coaching and a good production he could fool any MJ fan - maybe he couldn't fool those, who are distrustful anyway (not too sure though), but all others.
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« on: November 02, 2010, 08:39:21 PM »
Did you read that? Google 'mistakenly' saved whole emails and passwords from users with a wireless connection while doing the photos for StreetView. And they're NOT going to delete the data before the authorities of the countries order the deletion. You are not allowed to view links.
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« on: October 27, 2010, 08:36:19 PM »
@all:
Please block Google Analytics on your computer![/color] It's an web analysis tool for webmaters. The problem is, the data, which can't be accessed by the webmaster, will be transferred to Google via a JavaScript code. They can get all information they want, IF they want (name, adress, credit card number - everything) - they can change their code as they want and nobody knows, what they programmed. I'm not saying they do it, but the above article implies so... Web admins have to proclaim at a prominent place that they are using Google Analytics and also have to have a privacy officer, but in 90% of the cases, they don't! Here's an instruction how to do it for Windows: You are not allowed to view links.
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« on: October 19, 2010, 07:55:16 PM »
OK in the TTI credits it descibles David 'Elsewhere' Bernal as:
movement coach: Michael Jackson (as David Bernal)
Can someone explain what this means??
Does it mean his role was Michael Jackson?? Or does it mean he was his movement coach?? The bit that confuese me is "as David Bernal" (They already said his name once )
Sorry if I have this wrong but I don't get their wording..
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Register or Login That means, that David "Elsewhere" Bernal was credited as "David Bernal" on the DVD (without "Elsewhere"). I didn't have a look at the credits on DVD, but that's the way they write it on imdb.com, if someone appears in the credits with a different name as listed in their database.
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« on: October 05, 2010, 06:45:07 PM »
Very interesting! Thank you for posting.
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« on: October 02, 2010, 07:58:49 PM »
And here's S.T.U.D.Y.'s third post - thanks to Christabelle for saving it! This is my third and last topic, in a series of three related topics posted three days in a row (dates & times ??). For those who haven’t read the first two: at the very least, be sure to read Monday’s topic on "1998" and "7" codes; here is that thread: You are not allowed to view links.
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For those in Tuesday’s topic who thought applying "King" to MJ would be blasphemy, I have replied to that in post #28 on that thread: You are not allowed to view links.
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"This Is It … The Final Curtain Call"
The "final curtain call" is a very interesting phrase, which was used during the London press conference for the O2 "This Is It" performances (note: even if it was a double, MJ himself was still the author of the message given).
Here is a transcript of the key statement (at 4 min, 35 sec): "This is it, I mean this is really it; this is the final — this is the final curtain call." {click here}. Let’s look at two aspects of that phrase: the "final curtain", and then the "curtain call".
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The "Final Curtain"
"Final Curtain" is the name of a hoax about death that was started in September of 1998! It was designed by Joey Skaggs, and you can read about it on the Museum of Hoaxes website {click here}; on the Final Curtain website {click here}; and on Skaggs’ own website {click here; also click here}. I have selected a few very interesting statements from these websites, as well as from a few other sources.
"In 1998, Skaggs put together an international team of volunteer writers, artists, and designers to create The Final Curtain … It was immediately accepted by the public as a reality without question. … Skaggs always leaves clues in his [hoax] performances." {click here}
"… the Final Curtain hoax was two years in the making, and involved dozens of co-conspirators. … Numerous talented writers and artists, some of whom prefer to remain anonymous for professional reasons, created an elaborate and convincing nonexistent virtual business under Skaggs’ creative direction." {click here}
"JOEY SKAGGS has been staging hoaxes—to lampoon the media, to lampoon the culture, but never to make money—for 34 years. Some hoaxes are huge and take place over the course of years … THE SIGNS WERE THERE for journalists who doubted Final Curtain. But they didn't. … Part of participating in Final Curtain was agreeing to keep my mouth shut until it was time to reveal the hoax. … Final Curtain wasn't intended to make money; it was intended to draw attention to two issues—the media's wicked ways, as we've seen, and the death industry." {click here}
Wikipedia on Joey Skaggs: "The Final Curtain … It was meant to satirize showmanship in places like Forest Lawn cemeteries." {click here}
Although a different MJ, notice the name of a person who reported about the Final Curtain: "KRLA, CBS, Los Angeles, Michael Jackson, 10-25-1999" {click here; also click here}
"This [Final Curtain] was a really sophisticated prank with a lot of people involved. … Media hoaxing has a bright, promising future [after the year 2,000!?!]. All we can hope is that the hoaxers are smarter than the media." {click here}
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Final Curtain Hoax and MJ Hoax Parallels
#1 The hoaxes were directly related to "1998".
#2 The hoaxes were all about "death".
#3 The hoaxes had a large "team" involving "numerous talented co-conspirators" (all agreeing to secrecy until the time to remove the "curtain").
#4 The hoaxes were "huge", "elaborate", "sophisticated", and "convincing".
#5 Yet the hoax directors "always left clues" and "THE SIGNS WERE THERE" for the few who really wanted to know the truth.
#6 In spite of the clues, the hoaxes were "immediately accepted by the public as a reality without question".
#7 Both hoaxes had a person involved named "MICHAEL JACKSON"!
#8 Both hoaxes refer specifically to "Forest Lawn cemeteries".
#9 The purpose of these hoaxes is to draw public attention to the "media’s wicked ways" (reporting as truth that which they have not carefully investigated, etc).
And these nine "coincidences" are in addition to the "1998" and "7" codes, which point so strikingly to 9-9-09! {click here}
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The "Curtain Call"
Notice the meaning of "curtain call" on Wikipedia (the word [hoax] is added): "A curtain call (walkdown, bow) occurs at the end of a [hoax] performance when individuals return to the stage to be recognized by the audience for their [hoax] performance." {click here}
Soon and very soon, we are going to see the man behind the (final) curtain (call); the King of Hoax! So can we expect the MJ "resurrection" today—the big "This Is It", "Final Curtain", 9-9-09 day??? Probably not before: "Darkness falls across the land, and the midnight hour is close at hand …" (Thriller).
Last but not least: This Is It—this is my final post (post # ?). You can believe it, or leave it; but either way: as the Final Curtain Call is being revealed, you will see what was there behind the curtain all along.
After getting many very positive replies to my previous posts, I’m back with one more "curtain call" post. This might be a record long post on the whole MJHD forum, but it is even more convincing than the first three; so it’s well worth taking the time to read (10 or 15 minutes). This (post) should settle the question for all but the most die-hard skeptics; and even for them, This Is It (movie) will surely settle the question.
This post is the fourth in my series. The first three are relatively short, and for those who haven’t read them yet: in order to get the most out of this post, you should read those three first (read at least the main posts, even if not the replies). Here are the links for the first three in the series:
"1998" & "7" Codes Cracked!!! MJ "Resurrection" on 9-9-09 {click here}
"Soon and Very Soon, We Are Going to See the King"—How Soon? {click here; if the text is cropped, copy and paste it into your own word processor. Also, be sure to read my update on reply #28.}
"This Is It"—TODAY is the "Final Curtain Call" Day: 9-9-09 {click here}
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Did the 9-9-09 Prediction Come True?
This post is for the purpose of showing that the prediction did indeed come true, even though the general public does not know it yet. Those of us who are paying close attention may know it now; but the general public won’t know until the movie comes out.
Since my prediction was posted on 9-7-09, two days before 9-9-09, some who did not read the prediction in advance may even think that it was actually posted after the fact—and then the date/time of posting was manipulated. Therefore, for the sake of the skeptical: will everyone who read the prediction prior to 9-9-09 please post a reply on this thread, testifying that you did read it before 9-9-09.
For those who think that the prediction did not come true—because the mass media never showed MJ jumping out of his grave just before midnight (on 9-9-09)—let me quote from my previous posts. As detectives, we need to be paying attention to the details; so notice the details in what I said, and what I did not say (quoting from the first three in the series).
The first (posted 9-7-09): "… we may hear about it on 9-9-09, or it might not be publicized until the Thriller 2 (TII) movie at Halloween (This Is It)".
The second (posted 9-8-09): "Some say that he will return this December, around the holidays. But does Christmas or New Years fit the Thriller theme? Don’t you think Halloween would fit better—which is when the movie is coming out."
The third (posted 9-9-09): "Soon and very soon, we are going to see the man behind the (final) curtain (call); the King of Hoax! So can we expect the MJ ‘resurrection’ today—the big ‘This Is It’, ‘Final Curtain’, 9-9-09 day???"
In the third one there (on 9-9-09), I said "we are going to see" MJ "soon"—I did not say that we would "see" him "today"! Sure, I did leave it open for that possibility: for the sake of the suspense (thrill); but I really did not expect it. What I did say about 9-9-09, was that it was the big "resurrection" day; however, we probably won’t actually see MJ "coming back to life" until we see it in the movie (which is what I said at the very beginning of this series).
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"This Is It"—the Solution to the Kaufman and Skaggs Dilemmas
Think about it! What if MJ showed up at NBC and said: "Hi, I’m Michael Jackson; I did not really die, it was just a hoax." What would happen? Would they instantly broadcast it? No! They would say: "You are an imposter, get out of here before we call 911."
Or what if the family came along, and said: "This is the real MJ, it was all a hoax." Would the media then believe it? Maybe; maybe not. They would wonder which report from the family was accurate: the death report, or the hoax report. See for example the death of the comedian Andy Kaufman, who wanted to hoax his death; then he died, and then 20 years later the media reported that he was back and never died—after that it was reported that the death hoax report itself was a hoax. {click here; also click here, and click here}
And what if the mass media became convinced the MJ is still alive, but they did not want to admit it? This is exactly the problem that Joey Skaggs has run into; whenever he tries to reveal any of his hoaxes: the media does not want to admit it! {click here; also click here}
Let’s even imagine what would happen if the mass media did publish that MJ is still alive—what would the world think? Many would be confused, not sure if the death was real or a hoax. Some would see him on TV and say: yes, I know it is for sure MJ—the real MJ fans can tell that it is him! Others would say: I am positively certain that is not MJ, it’s merely a double—and anyone who believes that it’s MJ is not a real fan. In fact, this is the very thing going on right now in this forum over whether the O2 guy in London was real or a double; and also the shots of MJ in the TII movie trailer, etc.
All of these problems would create confusion at best, regarding whether the "real" MJ had died or not. And all of these things would greatly reduce much of the intended effects of the hoax.
But MJ thought of all these problems in advance, and came up with an ingenious solution: document the hoax, "the making of", step by step, and put it in a movie! Don’t tell the public that the movie is about the hoax, let them find that out when they watch it. And this way the media won’t be able to intercept the information—because the whole world will already know about the movie, months before anyone sees it.
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Thriller 2 (TII): The Dome Project Completed on 6-9-09
Now we are ready to start looking at some very strong evidence pointing to 9-9-09 as the MJ "resurrection" day. Keep in mind that at least some of the "resurrection" may have been filmed on another day—just like some of the "death" photography may not have been done on 6-25-09, and possibly some of the funeral / "burial" footage may have been recorded sometime other than 9-3-09. But according to the hoax plan, and the movie script: the "death" was 6-25-09, the funeral & "burial" was 9-3-09, and the "resurrection" was 9-9-09.
The following report is from the MTV website: "… Michael Jackson completed a mysterious video production known as the ‘Dome Project’ two weeks before his death … details on the project are hard to come by due to confidentiality agreements signed by those who worked on it … it was shot, from June 1-9 [ending on 6-9-09, exactly three months before 9-9-09!]. Four sets were constructed for the video, including a cemetery similar to the one from the singer’s famous 1983 ‘Thriller’ video. Other sets included … a simulated lush jungle … In addition to the ‘Dome’ project, AEG Live is reported to have filmed 100 hours of rehearsals for the London shows …" {click here; also click here, and click here}
Now that the movie trailer is out, we can see that "This Is It" will include video from the Dome Project. {click here; also click here; and see the jungle shot at 0:49, click here}
Why was the Dome Project a mysterious secret, unless it’s about MJ coming back from the dead? Why does it include Thriller type shots, unless the movie is indeed Thriller 2 (TII, "T" for "Thriller" and "II" for Roman numeral 2; also TII for This Is It)? And if it is Thriller 2, then wouldn’t the movie include coming back from the dead—just like the first Thriller video??
And why was it "coincidentally" completed, only two weeks before his "death"? Doesn’t this sound more like a plan to finish the Dome Project first, and then go into the "death" phase? And most amazing: why was it completed on 6-9-09, exactly three months before 9-9-09? Again, just turn that first "6" upside down, and you have: 9-9-09!!!
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"This Is It" Poster Posted on Wednesday 9-9-09
There are three main steps in the process of revealing this movie to the public: the movie poster, the movie trailer, and the full movie. Let’s look at the timing of all three steps.
Although the poster may have surfaced unofficially a little early: it was not posted on the official You are not allowed to view links.
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For the sake of publicity, the movie trailer was released at the MTV VMA. The timing here is controlled by MTV, and the VMA has only once been held on a Wednesday September 9. {1992; click here}
The movie itself was originally scheduled to open on Friday, October 30; but they moved it to Wednesday, October 28. {click here} Although movies do open sometimes on a Wednesday, Friday is the more common day. {click here}
Notice that 9-9-09 was a Wednesday, and the movie opens on Wednesday (10-28-09)—exactly seven weeks after 9-9-09!! Also, the movie runs for only two weeks—which would bring it up to nine weeks from 9-9-09!!! And from the original Thriller: "… see you next Wednesday!" {Thriller video at 3:31, click here} "The line [‘see you next Wednesday’] is also mentioned in the opening scene for Michael Jackson's ‘Thriller’ when the police decode a message from Jackson’s werewolf character." {click here; also click here; and click here}
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Jermaine in LONDON on 9-9-09
Yes, Jermaine had his MJ Tribute press conference in London on 9-9-09! {click here; also click here, and click here} London??? Yes, London—exactly where "This Is It" concerts were originally scheduled; and also where the "final curtain call" statement was made. {click here, at 4 min, 35 sec} London is also where the MJ Tribute has been moved to (from Vienna, and postponed until June 2010). {click here; also click here}
Maybe now we can understand why Jermaine has made some strange statements, such as these: "And I am sure that somehow he [MJ] will find a way to be with us on this [Tribute] evening, singing and dancing along—just like he always did." {click here, at 2:37} "… for THE TRIBUTE Michael Jackson will come on stage one last time. Just the way his fans worldwide loved him. … And millions of fans worldwide will witness that this is possible." {from the 2009 Tribute website, before it was changed to 2010; also click here}
Does this description really sound like a hologram projection of MJ? Wouldn’t a more fitting description of a hologram performance be something along the lines of: "Like You’ve Never Seen Him Before" (which is the description on the movie poster). {click here; also click here}
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9 + 9 = 18 … Coincidences?
Let’s review, including what we have learned from all four posts in the series. There were 9 parallels between the Joey Skaggs "Final Curtain" hoax, and the MJ "This Is It" Thriller 2 hoax. We also have 9 clues pointing very directly to 9-9-09 as the MJ "resurrection" day (and decoding these clues does not take algebra, calculus, trigonometry, etc—the average person can easily calculate them).
#1. 1998 / 3 = 666; turn 666 upside down (or add 333, the Dangerous formula) and you have 999 (9-9-09).
#2. 1998: add the first digit to the last three, 1 + 998 = 999.
#3. 9-9-09 is a catchy date, and easy to remember (like 6-6-06, and 7-7-07, etc).
#4. 9-9-09 is 77 days from the "death" on 6-25-09 (inclusive reckoning).
#5. 9-9-09 is 7 days from the funeral / "burial" on 9-3-09 (inclusive reckoning).
#6. The Dome Project (Thriller 2 filming) was completed on 6-9-09.
#7. "This Is It" poster was posted on 9-9-09.
#8. "This Is It" movie opens on a Wednesday, 7 weeks after 9-9-09 (and closes 9 weeks after 9-9-09).
#9. Jermaine MJ Tribute press conference was in London on 9-9-09.
So 9 Final Curtain parallels, plus 9 things pointing clearly to 9-9-09, equals 18 … uh, "coincidences" And yes, 1 + 8 (18) = 9 (and today is 9-18-09). For those who think that these are all just amazing coincidences: please notice the dates and times that each one of the four topics in this series were posted. Do you think that these were also just coincidences—or were they part of a plan?
And if these are not a bunch of coincidences pointing to 9-9-09: then they must be planned, which means that the "death" was also planned (a hoax). And then we need to ask what is the significance of 9-9-09 in the plan, if it’s not the "resurrection" day? Surely the plan would include something significant for this date!
We should also ask what day would be the "resurrection", according to the plan, if not 9-9-09? The original Thriller made all-time records in both the album, and the music video. {click here; also click here, and click here} Well then, in the Thriller 2 movie (TII), surely MJ would not forget to include scenes of the dead coming to life (just like in the original Thriller)—especially since this is the ultimate in the "dead" coming back to life (MJ himself).
So if an MJ "resurrection" is part of the plan and movie, what day would it be: would it be prior to the funeral (on 9-3-09)? Of course not. During the funeral wouldn’t even fit with the original Thriller, because the dead did not hop out of their caskets during a funeral—no, they came out of their graves.
What about Halloween? That would be too late, because Halloween is after the movie comes out. The filming has to be done before the movie comes out—so it couldn’t even be on October 28; it would have to be weeks before the movie comes out, so that there would be time to edit the shots, etc. There is of course a real nice date which comes after the funeral / "burial", and yet is several weeks before the movie opens: it is 9-9-09!
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The Movie Is "Not Yet Rated"—So You Rate It!
All these clues, codes, and plans, were not merely so that MJ could go into permanent hiding; he could have done that without all this extra ingenuity. In fact, MJ has already shown that he can dodge the media and the public when he wants to: using doubles, and/or disguises, etc; so he really wouldn’t need to hoax his death at all, merely to hide from the media and the public.
So if MJ is not in permanent hiding: then either he is actually dead—which doesn’t fit with the 9 + 9 = 18 "coincidences" (as well as a lot of other evidence here on the MJHD website)—or else he is going to be coming back. And if he is coming back: how soon? {click here}
As already mentioned above: the only way to come back without major confusion at best, and possibly even media interception, is to reveal it in the movie. Then, after everyone knows for sure that he is alive, then he can perform in London (in 2010). But he won’t wait until London to reveal himself; that could be a confusion scenario, or it could be too long to keep the hoax a secret. Apparently the LA chief of police knows that the movie will reveal the truth, which explains why he suddenly announced that he is retiring three years early at the end of October 2009 (when the movie comes out)! {click here; also click here, and click here}
For those who doubt the hoax because of legal issues: please go to the MJ official website {click here}, and then click on the "Terms and Conditions" at the bottom of the home page. Please read carefully the disclaimers, such as: "SME [Sony Music Entertainment], ITS AFFILIATES, AND ITS SPONSORS ARE NEITHER RESPONSIBLE NOR LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, PUNITIVE, OR OTHER DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF OR RELATING IN ANY WAY TO THIS WEBSITE … YOUR SOLE REMEDY FOR DISSATISFACTION WITH THIS WEBSITE … IS TO STOP USING THE WEBSITE … SME DOES NOT WARRANT … CORRECTNESS, ACCURACY, TIMELINESS, RELIABILITY, OR OTHERWISE." {click here} Also TMZ, the first media agency to report the "death" of MJ, has similar disclaimers. {click here; also click here}
At the end of the movie trailer (and currently on the bottom of movie website home page), it says: "This film is not yet rated." {click here; also click here} So we want you to rate the movie.
Considering everything that has been presented above: what do you think will be in the movie, "This Is It"? Do you think it will only be rehearsals, and behind the scenes production—which would indicate that MJ is really dead? Or will there be more clues that he is alive, but no positive indication that he will ever come back? Or will it reveal the entire hoax and plan? Which will it be? Here are the rating categories:
"G" = MJ is Gone forever (actually dead)
"PG" = MJ is Probably Gone forever (in hiding, and probably will never return)
"PG-13" = MJ will Probably be Gone for 13 years, and then he’ll come back (LOL!)
"R" = MJ Resurrection (9-9-09), MJ Return, MJ hoax Revealed!!!
Vote here in this thread, which one of the four rating categories you think fits best. Let’s see how many "R" votes we can get between now and October 28; tell your friends, even the skeptics, to check out this thread and then help rate the movie. Also, don’t forget to mention if you read the "1998" & "7" codes prediction before 9-9-09.
Again, this will probably be my last post. But I will be watching; Kenny is also watching—perhaps even MJ is watching!?! Yes, this whole hoax and plan is for a bigger purpose than just exposing the media. It is time for everyone to STUDY peace {click here}: peace in our own lives, and peace in our world. Search for clues about the truth in the Bible, just as you have done with this hoax investigation. Pay attention to the details, and follow "The Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6).
That last post sort of fizzled, after a couple of replies (#105 & #116) from L.oV.e; so this post is primarily in response to those two replies. Here is some of what L.oV.e said (all -underlines added):
"Number 7’s, number 9’s… etc etc blah blah.. This stuff has no meaning. Rather Michael Jackson is dead or alive, none of this means anything. For one thing you have been proven wrong on the rating thing … These numbers are cluttering your minds. And this person is by no means a PROPHET to anyone. They did all this crap with Tupac, guess what folks? 2Pac is still gone … I don't really consider expressing my own opinion as ‘biting his head off’. … These guys have spewed these theories out at every high profiled death where there is any suspicion involved, much like Mr. Derek Clontz has. Then they play off people's minds like lab rats. They told people 2Pac would return, sound familiar? They said all these numbers mattered! Sound familiar?? They were proven wrong on the rating of TII, and uh, 2Pac still isn't 'back' so, again, sound familiar? And yes, I agree whole-heartedly as does thousands of other people that Michael's death is suspicious …"
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^ Prophecy Versus Parody
Quite obviously, the investigation skills of L.oV.e are still in need of some fine tuning; this is because L.oV.e got the prophecy and the parody exactly backwards—thinking that the prophecy (9-9-09) was a joke, and the joke (rated R) was a prophecy!
Good investigators need to be paying attention to details. Below are some details, which a sharp investigator would’ve picked up on—before going way out on a limb, and concluding that the "R" rating was supposedly a prophecy about what the official movie rating would be.
Here I quote from my own wording in that last post: "MJ will Probably be Gone for 13 years, and then he’ll come back (LOL!) … Vote here in this thread, which one of the four rating categories you think fits best. Let’s see how many ‘R’ votes we can get … " Notice that I even included "LOL", to show it was all a pun on the movie rating system; but L.oV.e was on a different page (or maybe another book).
Furthermore, clear back on August 5, Rolling Stone reported that by contract the TII movie "must secure a PG-rating" {click here; also click here}; and I was fully aware of this fact when I made the rating parody.
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^ Evidence Versus Categories of Evidence
The other main mistake of L.oV.e, was failing to distinguish between evidence and categories of evidence. The usage of numbers was highly ridiculed—as if that entire category of evidence is bad. But numbers have meanings, just like words; and numbers can be good evidence or bad evidence, just like words. Therefore, merely because people may have misused numbers in the past, does not automatically eliminate all valid usage of numbers—anymore than someone misusing words would eliminate all valid usage of words.
If something is wrong with the numbers, then bring forward the evidence of exactly what is wrong—don’t just ridicule an entire category of evidence (numbers). Truth can be supported by solid evidence; and that is what true investigation is about, evidence. Error, and only error, must use ridicule and other such ridicul-ous methods!
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^ Odds of Rolling Snake Eyes
Nevertheless, since the numeric evidence has been challenged, let’s give it some further investigation. For a relatively simple example: let’s first look at the odds of rolling a pair of dice, and having them both come up with 1 (snake eyes).
If you have only one die, there are 6 different possibilities (1,2,3,4,5,6); this means you would have 1 chance in 6 of rolling a 1. But with a pair of dice: you do not have merely 12 chances (6 plus 6), you have 36 chances (6 times 6). Please, remember that for more than one thing to happen by coincidence, you must multiply the possibilities (not add them). See the table below, for all 36 possibilities on a pair of dice.
1,1 – 2,1 – 3,1 – 4,1 – 5,1 – 6,1
1,2 – 2,2 – 3,2 – 4,2 – 5,2 – 6,2
1,3 – 2,3 – 3,3 – 4,3 – 5,3 – 6,3
1,4 – 2,4 – 3,4 – 4,4 – 5,4 – 6,4
1,5 – 2,5 – 3,5 – 4,5 – 5,5 – 6,5
1,6 – 2,6 – 3,6 – 4,6 – 5,6 – 6,6
Before going on to calculating real-world odds (of 9-9-09, etc), there are two other important aspects of statistics that often get overlooked (especially if someone is anxious to "prove" something, etc).
The most important aspect to remember is not only how many possibilities there are for something to happen (such as 36 possibilities)—but also how many opportunities there are for the 1 specific possibility (such as snake eyes) to actually happen by coincidence. In other words, if you rolled the pair of dice once, it’s possible but not likely that you would get snake eyes on the first roll. However, if you increase the opportunities to several hundred (you keep rolling the dice over and over, for hours): then it is almost certain that the 1-chance-in-36 possibility will actually occur strictly by chance.
The other factor is that in the real world, things rarely operate as simply as a pair of dice: with 6 distinctly different outcomes, all sharing equal probability of any particular outcome. Say for example if the dice had lead weights on one side of them, in that case they would tend to land one way up more frequently (on the average) than another way up.
Factors such as this are usually involved in real world events—the result being that it can be very difficult or impossible to calculate the exact statistical odds for a certain event to happen by sheer coincidence. Nevertheless, we don’t really need to have odds exactly calculated, in order to determine whether something really did happen by random chance—or whether it happened by intelligent plan.
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^ Odds of the 9-9-09 "Coincidences"
For those who are prone to misusing numbers (such as maybe some did with Tupac): it is relatively easy to "force-fit" one number into another number, as long as you jump enough hoops in the process. If you want to turn a "12" into a "7": you could say 12 is a "1" and a "2", 1 + 2 = 3; 3 + 12 (original number) is 15; then divide 15 by 2 (the second number in 12), = 7.5, and 7 is the whole number.
You see, any number can be turned into any other number, if you jump enough hoops. This is why I emphasized that the 9-9-09 codes were simple; the more complex hoops you have to jump, the more likely you are force-fitting something that is in reality just a coincidence. But the simpler it is, the more likely it is NOT a coincidence!
Another important point is that a single-digit number (such as 7) is much easier to force-fit and happen by coincidence, than a three-digit number (999). It is basically the same difference as rolling a 10-sided die, and coming up with a 7; versus rolling a 1,000 sided die, and coming up with a 999—which of the two is more likely to happen by coincidence???
Now then, let’s try putting a statistical odds calculation to each of the 9-9-09 "coincidences"—and find out roughly what are the odds that these things all happened by coincidence.
#1. 1998 / 3 = 666; turn 666 upside down (or add 333, the Dangerous formula) and you have 999 (9-9-09). This is a simple, two-step process; it is not complex math, and in fact it is supported by the Dangerous autograph formula. 1998 can be a year, and few if any other years in MJ’s lifetime would turn into 999 so easily. Perhaps 1999 is the closest, by merely dropping the "1"—yet that would not fit the Dangerous formula. 1989 could also work, by adding the first digit to the third digit; again, though, this does not fit the dangerous autograph. So if MJ lived (at least) 50 years: what are the odds that he chose (for whatever reason) to autograph with the one year in his life that fits the best with 999?
• 1 chance in 50
#2. 1998: add the first digit to the last three, 1 + 998 = 999. Notice that this is even more natural than 1989, where you would have to add the first digit to the third digit (and not the last digit, nor all three remaining digits, like 1998). And this is the same number/year, which fits so nice in #1 that we just looked at. Are there any other years—or any numbers at all—which turn into 999 so easily in two different ways (and fits the Dangerous formula)? Search from 1 to 10,000 (or more), and unless you find another number that is as good or better, then we have:
• 1 chance in 10,000+
#3. 9-9-09 is a catchy date, and easy to remember (like 6-6-06, and 7-7-07, etc). From the date of the MJ "death" (6-25) until the TII movie (10-27/28): there is about one-third of a year. These catchy dates come about once a year; so the odds that there would even be a catchy date somewhere between the "death" and the movie is about:
• 1 chance in 3
#4. 9-9-09 is 77 days from the "death" on 6-25-09 (inclusive reckoning). Although there is only one day in a year that could be 77 days inclusive, we want to remember the concept of opportunities; what if it were 7 days, or 9 days, or 99 days (or standard reckoning, instead of inclusive)—any of these might be considered as not likely to be a coincidence, yet they are more opportunities for a coincidence. So maybe 10 or so different dates in the year could still make an interesting connection with 9-9-09; and 365 (days in a year) divided by 10 (opportunities) is:
• 1 chance in 36
#5. 9-9-09 is 7 days from the funeral / "burial" on 9-3-09 (inclusive reckoning). Aside from the odds that this date was a full moon (to the eye, even if not on the calendar), along with the memorial being a full moon (7-7-09): we have again a similar situation as #4 that we just looked at.
• 1 chance in 36
#6. The Dome Project (Thriller 2 filming) was completed on 6-9-09. As in #4 & #5 above, perhaps more than one date in the year could relate closely to 9-9-09 (such as 5-9-09 or 7-9-09, etc); so we have several opportunities again here, yet only one opportunity has both the exact day of the month (9th) and also the month itself (6) being a number that makes 9 if you turn it upside down (like #1 above). Perhaps 2-9-09 would be 7 months from 9-9-09, which would give us a second good opportunity in the year; and maybe even the project could’ve started on one of these dates, which would then give us four opportunities. So 365 divided by 4 opportunities in the year =
• 1 chance in 91
#7. "This Is It" poster was posted on 9-9-09. How many opportunities were there for this to be officially posted on 9-9-09? Just one; there were not several different movie posters, all released on various dates. True there are other events related to the movie, which could be considered other opportunities. Take for example the movie trailer; it was not released on 9-9-09, or any date easily connecting with 9-9-09. But as I pointed out before, this was released at the MTV VMA for publicity; and MJ probably would not be able to set the date of the VMA, which means we can’t really count this as any evidence that all these numbers and dates are or are not part of the hoax plan. And although the date that the poster was released is only one day out of 365 in the year: yet practically speaking, the poster is not going to be posted six months before the movie, or six days before the movie (or after the movie, etc). There is a realistic window of probably only a few weeks, when the movie poster would be made public. So let’s just say:
• 1 chance in 21 (three weeks)
#8. "This Is It" movie opens on a Wednesday, 7 weeks after 9-9-09 (and closes 9 weeks after 9-9-09). Although Wednesday is a more common opening day than some other days of the week, it is certainly less common than Friday; furthermore, for it to be not only on a Wednesday, but also opening 7 weeks after and closing 9 weeks after 9-9-09 seems unlikely by chance. Yet it is coming out around the Halloween season, which could possibly be the reason for the 7 and 9 weeks (rather than 9-9-09). So let’s just keep it to the Wednesday opening odds; surely at least two out of three movies open on some day other than Wednesday.
• 1 chance in 3
#9. Jermaine MJ Tribute press conference was in London on 9-9-09. How many opportunities for a press conference in London? So far, only one has actually happened. There might be more between now and next summer (when the Tribute is supposed to occur); but probably no more between now and the movie. Certainly there was at least a couple of weeks (and probably a few months) where the conference could have happened in London on a day other than 9-9-09.
• 1 chance in 14 (two weeks)
Now it’s time to remember that when several things happen: to find out the odds of them all happening by coincidence, we must multiply the statistics (not merely add them all up). So here we go:
50 x 10,000 x 3 x 36 x 36 x 91 x 21 x 3 x 14 =
• 1 chance in 156,029,328,000,000—that this all happened by coincidence!!
To put it in words: one hundred fifty-six trillion, twenty-nine billion, and of course three hundred twenty-eight million for pocket change!!!
Now just in case someone wants to quibble over the calculation of the exact statistical odds that I have used: let me point out again that exact odds don’t really matter, the only thing that needs to be established is that all these events could not have happened by coincidence. And this could be done by showing odds as small as one chance in a few hundred. To make it clearer yet: even if it was only one chance in three (that all of these things happened by coincidence)—it would still be more likely that it is PLANNED, and less likely to be a coincidence!!!!!!!!!
Let me also remind you that three of the above nine events were unknown until after I posted my 9-9-09 prediction two days before (on 9-7-09). If this math is all just hocus-pocus (as L.oV.e indicated): then what are the odds that these three things came true just by chance?
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^ More Reasons Why MJ Will Return in the Movie
Furthermore, we have merely calculated the odds that relate ONLY to the 9-9-09 date; and yet there are many other things which show not only that the death is a hoax, but also that the movie will reveal the MJ return (most of the following things have been documented in my previous posts in this series, so I will not document anything below unless it is new).
For example what are the odds that the LAPD chief of police has decided to retire three years early, on the same week that the TII movie comes out? What are the odds that he would retire early at all? Even if every police chief retired early, which certainly is not the case, you would still have about one chance in 250 that the retirement would be on the same week as the movie (52 weeks a year, times 5-year term). Then you would have to take this number and multiply it with our 1.5 quadrillion number above; and then continue doing this with all the other things mentioned below—but I think you get it by now, so I won’t keep bothering you with the calculations.
Why hasn’t Dr. Conrad Murray been arrested yet? On October 8, TMZ reported "Arrest Warrant Sought for Dr. Conrad Murray", and said that the "investigation into MJ's death should wrap up next week" {click here; also click here}; but that week came and went, and still there is no arrest—either for child support, or for MJ homicide! They can put it off for another week (until the movie) fairly easily; but not until next summer (London tribute), or even Christmas, etc.
Why was the funeral/burial recorded with movie quality production, and a movie-like set? And what are the odds that Liberian Girl pictures were used by coincidence both up front and on the program cover at the funeral/burial—when Liberian Girl is the video where MJ is directing behind the scenes, and reveals himself at the end of the video?!? {for Liberian Girl video, click here, and notice what MJ is wearing at the end; for funeral/burial program cover, click here; for Liberian Girl photo, click here; for main funeral/burial photos, click here at 1:31, and click here at 1:09}
Why is TII coming out at Halloween, unless it is the ultimate Thriller 2 (TII)—with MJ coming back to life near the end of the movie? And why were confidentiality agreements signed for this Dome Project, even before MJ supposedly "died", unless it was part of keeping this hoax and movie plan secret? Surely, just having 3-D video would not need to be kept so secret.
Why is there going to be a special advance showing on Tuesday night, starting at 9:00 PM Pacific time, and also simultaneously showing across the county—unless MJ wants as many people as possible to view the MJ resurrection at the same time? {click here; then under "GET TICKETS AND SHOWTIMES NOW", type in LA or other zip codes, and the 10-27-09 date, to see the starting times}
And why is it starting at 9:00 PM Pacific time (LA time, and this whole hoax has revolved around LA)? Is there even the slightest chance that this could also be planned—so that when the resurrection is revealed, near the end of the movie, darkness will have fallen across the land and the midnight hour will be close at hand (Thriller lyrics)
Some people think that MJ is not coming back through the movie, because everyone would not see it at once. But if that was the only goal, the best time would have been during the memorial—when the whole world was watching (the most widely viewed event in history). The whole world will not be simultaneously watching the tribute in London (or any other event), anymore than the TII movie.
Others say nobody will want to see the movie, once they hear from friends or the media that MJ is actually alive. But although this may be the case with a few, many will still be anxious to see the movie in general—and especially the hoax part.
I am amazed at how many on this forum are very convinced of the hoax, and yet have little or no certainty as to when or even if MJ will come back. Hello, knock-knock, is there anybody home? Are you up and out of bed yet??
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^ The Nine-Day Victory Countdown
If you go to Google and type only the one word "is " (make sure to put a space after it): you will find the following first suggested search: "is michael jackson dead". So this is the most popular question in the world right now! Do you suppose that millions are just now hearing the "official" news that MJ died on June 25, and they are going to the internet to check it out??? I think that there is hardly a human on planet earth who hasn’t known for months about the June 25 "death".
Then it must be that the world is searching to find out if MJ is really dead! And in fact this MJHD forum usually comes up as the second or third hit, when you click on that suggested search ("is "). So if that many people are searching for answers to the supposed "death": then we can be confident that MJHD is on to something real. And if the hoax is real, then the 9-9-09 and other evidence of when and how MJ will come back is also real.
Well—why don’t we transition from investigation mode, to victory mode!?! It is time to stop wondering, close the investigation as a success, and start triumphing! Who is going to wait until after the movie comes out, to claim hoax investigation victory? Anybody could do that! MJ will be interested in those who cared enough to not only figure out that he is still alive, but also figure out (prior to the movie) that the movie reveals the hoax!
Are you still going to be intimidated by the skeptics, until the whole world knows? Or can you step out now with a little faith, and see how much of an uproar you can make in the next nine days?? How about e-mailing all your friends. Anyone brave enough to put an ad in the paper, etc?
We only got about a hundred "R" votes in my previous post, before it fizzled from the ridiculous L.oV.e replies; let’s show MJ that we can get hundreds of "R" votes in the next nine days! Please post your "R" votes on that thread {click here}; but NOT this thread (and post any replies to this statistical odds thread here).
"The secret which the king hath demanded, cannot the wise men, the astrologers, the magicians, the soothsayers, shew unto the king?" (Daniel 2:27, see 19-23,27-30).
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« on: October 02, 2010, 01:35:18 PM »
Thank you ninanina for posting them here. I was never able to see these, because I hadn't joined any forums yet in September.
I think TS very intelligently explained "Soon and very soon"  i never even really thought about it like that, I did think she was talking about Michael, but he provides so many different points.  Thanks TS. Wow - you've read them quickly! :shock:
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