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« on: April 02, 2010, 02:40:12 AM »
tmz:
Furthermore, sources tell TMZ Dr. Conrad Murray insists he was able to restart Jackson's heart at the singer's home before paramedics arrived and then maintained heart activity in the ambulance.
Dr. Murray's evaluation contradicts paramedics at the scene who wanted to take Jackson to the morgue, not UCLA, because they believed he was dead.
It also contradicts Joe Jackson's lawyer, Brian Oxman, who tells TMZ he believes Jackson was dead even before paramedics arrived at the house. Oxman says the weak pulse detected at UCLA was in reaction to resuscitation efforts.
We're told the criminal case is shaping up as a legal war between medical experts, who will be interpreting medical tests and charts in various ways -- always confusing for a jury.
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I dont understand if he was resucitaded why we know that now and not after :?: :?  And what about the ambulance ? Do the ambulances drive so slowly when they have someone with weak pulse or heart activity and they are hoping to save his life ? From the ambulance, it looked it was not an emergency anymore.
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« on: March 18, 2010, 07:34:42 AM »
Hello Grace,
I watched it.
It's an experiment set up by dr Stanley Milgram in the 1960's and they adapted for TV. Milgram was studying the resistance to the authority (scientists, in that case), when, IMHO, the TV shows how easy it is to manipulate people and how difficult it is to stand up when you're left on your own and under the pressure of a group of people.
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« on: March 17, 2010, 03:09:05 AM »
Well, Being from Denmark, the tittle of this subject stood out - What does that mean ?
"something smells fishy in Denmark" is it some kind of saying or what ? please explain... Hi Lovesquad, Yes, it's a way of saying, after Shakespeare's quote 'Something is rotten in the State of Denmark' (Hamlet), to state something is wrong somewhere.
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« on: March 08, 2010, 07:20:12 AM »
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‘Drugged, exhausted’ MJ ‘could barely walk’ during This Is It rehearsals
LONDON - King of Pop Michael Jackson used golf cart to whisk him to and from his car during This Is It tour rehearsals, because he was so drugged and exhausted he could barely walk, it has been revealed.
In the new movie This Is It, the late singer is shown as a master at work as he leaps around the stage at Los Angeles Staples Center.
However, aides have revealed behind the scenes he was a wreck who could hardly stand.
“Everyone in the house knew Michael was not himself, and was clearly under the influence of drugs. I was amazed at how he looks on film, because in the flesh he was a shadow of himself. He was thin, almost anorexic, pale and didn’t seem to have enough energy to walk across the room, let alone dance,” News of the World quoted concert promoter and friend Terry Harvey as saying.
“He had a sharp mind, but he was deluded, hampered by the drugs. He didn’t know what he was saying to people. To make his life easy he would just say ‘yes’.
“He was walking around in a daze like a zombie,” Harvey added.
Harvey also said: “To me that movie is all smoke and mirrors. Michael was struggling with his dance moves and schedule.
“Michael was not fit enough - he couldn’t pull off a tour if his life depended it. They took the best bits of the video and made it into this movie.
“The rehearsals were long days, and Michael was tired. He hadn’t been on stage for over 10 years and wasn’t used to the physical demands of long days. Some days he didn’t even turn up to rehearsals,” Harvey added.
A source close to the production said: “Michael was exhausted. Some days he barely said a word. He slumped down in a chair and would just get talked at. During one rehearsal he nodded off.”
Choreographer Travis Payne admitted Jackson, who died in June, used the golf cart to whisk him to and from his car, parked a few yards from the stage.
Both Payne and promoter Randy Phillips were worried about the star’s weight and mental welfare.
“He used to forget to eat because he was so focused and Kenny Ortega and I used to cut up his food and physically feed him,” Phillips said.
One friend said: “The hard work needed was just too much for him, and his mood became very dark by the end. He was a gibbering wreck.
“He shouted out, ‘They are pushing me and I can’t take it anymore. They are gonna kill me’.” (ANI) Which is interestingly contradicted by this testimonial by one of the dancers, Kriyss Grant : "On the last rehearsal. "He was his old self. He was interacting with us, giving us suggestions, making changes. In the beginning, he let everyone else run things. Then, he was like, ‘This is my show. We’re going to do it how I want to do it.’ I loved it. That’s something I always wanted to see. I thought he was being taken advantage of in the beginning because he was older. … And you could tell he had something to say, but he wouldn’t say it. But that last day, he took over. He knew what he wanted. The dancers were like, ‘Good, he’s speaking up.’ The dancers had Michael’s back".At the beginning there was a passive, weak, and barely conscient Michael, doing whatever KO would tell, and that on the last rehearsal all changed and he suddenly "was his old self" ! It's to wonder if the man at the beginning and the man at the end was the same person !!! LOL
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« on: March 08, 2010, 06:13:23 AM »
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I'm sorry, but we are focussing on that. At what point do you think the last few blogs were 'fantasy & myth'? And again, maybe I should skip the word Illuminati and change it to:
Powerful rich people and businesses.... Like Sony and AEG and many many more. [/quote]
Oh no ! I know that to be a good Illuminato being a powerful and wealthy businessman is far from being enough !
One has to have been tortured and abused during one's childhood, one has to be a child abuser, a satanist and a monarch-slaves producer, one has to speak the mind-control language fluently, one also has participate in various plots and secrete activities - being a member of the CIA seems a prerequisite -, and, very important, one has to have only one aim in life : to become the master of the world. I'm afraid not every businessman, even at Sony, fit into the description.
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« on: March 07, 2010, 08:27:54 AM »
a.) You haven't read our latest blog where Sony is widely discussed
b.) You don't know what 'Illuminati' actually means
So I don't think Sony will ever pay us. AEG is a suspect too, but without links or 'proof' we do not point fingers.
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Sony is discussed in a post on the 2005 trial. What I'm talking is about focusing on more recent developments. After a few months on a forum that focuses on the illuminati, still ignoring what the illuminati are or are supposed to be would be a miracle. I even collected all the necessary documentation to mind controle people. But I still hold that for a modern myth - IMHO it's a convenient rationalization to explain all that is going wrong. Do we really need illuminati theories when we have big business like AEG and Sony envolved? Nobody ask you to point finger, but that would be great if we could focus on real facts.
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« on: March 07, 2010, 04:57:10 AM »
but ko has a twitter - if he wanted to talk - but it is not in his interests not to He's under contract with Sony/AEG, so if they don't want him to speak, he doesn't speak, even on Twitter.
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« on: March 07, 2010, 04:48:15 AM »
I don't believe in the Illuminati, so I don't think you're on their payroll.
But I do think that AEG and Sony owe you a lot for throwing people on those fantazised enemies while they keep on doing real and juicy business on Michael's back without being even questionned for the part they are playing in all that story.
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« on: March 07, 2010, 02:37:19 AM »
Still on the topic, I found another blog. You are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginOn that article someone says he watched a journalist on BFMTV, which a rather serious news channel, telling that the questions were checked before the interview by KO's team. It looks that for the TV things are even more controled. In France some people are starting to have serious doubts about the TII team's way of behaving. They don't think Michael hoaxed his death but they took advantage of him, and exploited to death and that's what they are trying to silence. Remember : ![]()
By the way, where on this forum is the KO section ? I couldn't find it when I wanted to post that thread. Even Dave Dave has a section. KO is a key actor in all that story and should have one
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« on: March 07, 2010, 02:16:12 AM »
I posted 2 stories from 2 different people who worked with This Is It and no one believed the relevancy so I decided to just leave it alone. I don't see what they have to gain by lying :roll: And I believe them both. There is some risk involved with them divulging information. But they were fans before they were employees and was feeling our pain. I applaud their courage and insight and appreciate what they have revealed. I read something Kenny Ortega said and that made me think that Michael was not in control but they would let him do things from time to time, but I can't find where I read it. If I'm not wrong it would corroborate what Kriyss told. If someone knows what I'm talking about, please bring the link.
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« on: March 06, 2010, 05:27:55 PM »
Recently, KO came to France to promote TII. A French blogger had the opportunity to meet him, and described how it's like to interview him. You are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginThe article is in French but, roughly, the rules are : It's forbidden to talk about Michael's death It's forbidden to talk about Murray You can only talk about the DVD. When the blogger dared to ask about Michael's health during the rehearsals, at first the interpreter didn't translate, telling Kenny wouldn't reply. When the blogger insisted, she translated the question and KO found a diplomatic way to avoid the response. Then they told him he had just one question left, when in fact he still had five minutes left. He understood that one more question of that kind and they would stop. KO's inverview are locked. It looks the people around him are there to control what he tells and to stop any attempt to ask the right questions.
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« on: March 05, 2010, 04:47:12 AM »
WHY did Debbie go to Forest Lawn, while she must have known she wasn't going to be allowed to enter the Mausoleum? Give me one good reason please...b]
This story is told by fans who go to FL and know they won't be allowed to enter the mausoleum either. So you have your response. If the fans do it, why not her ?
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« on: March 01, 2010, 02:13:42 AM »
Psychologists have evidenced that when someone says "we" instead of "I", and adds useless extra explanations like "you know...", he is not telling the truth. So, it looks that in June Ben was lying.
As for the second interview, he doesn't make the same mistakes, but that doesn't mean he is telling the truth either. Maybe it's just a better prepared lie to deliver the message that he saw the man and that was Michael.
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« on: February 11, 2010, 05:39:30 AM »
I don't know if this is the appropriate place to post this - I am new to the forum but have been lurking for a good few months now. I decided to join after the past few days which have clearly been emotional for everyone involved.
I've noticed recently that there seems to some tension between what you call 'believers' and 'non-believers'. I have to admit that I'm maybe 90% certain he's gone but I'm here because I am desperate to be wrong - I feel sick at the thought of the injustice he suffered throughout his life and would hate to think it ended this way.
I believe that all of you have something to add, there are now thousands of eyes looking into this case and you are attracting more. I haven't been a real, obsessed MJ fan since I was ten years old but yet I'm here now, and I can't begin to tell you the amount I've learnt since I started following this. All I have to add is a great quote someone told me recently - "blind doubt is as bad as blind faith". Trying to cut off other discussions by saying "he's alive" or "he's dead" doesn't advance anything. Keep debating, keep picking everything apart... in a way it doesn't matter if you believe he's alive or not, because we are all here for the same reason - we need to uncover THE TRUTH, I think all of us know deep down something suspicious is going on. Please, all of you, however upsetting it gets stick with it. You have a lot of power in your hands here. Welcome Shake, I'm totally with you on this.
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« on: February 10, 2010, 02:01:36 AM »
ysppada,
First of all I think you should read my previous posts and mybe then you'll find that I have NEVER used what you call "THREATS" against Michael.....
If you are annoyed that I lashed out at Joe and Latoya then maybe you should go read Michael Jackson's biography and gather facts about his life from a reliable source.......
The poor guy's father ridiculed his face which is why MJ thoght that his face was really bad....And that he needed to make it better and better.....He tried to do that and ended up being manipualted by his own Doctors and branded as a freak by the public.......Even Michael himself knew that......And filling his son's head with all kinds of insecurities OFFICIALLY makes Joe Jackson a bad parent.....And I'm sure even Micahel would agree with me.
As for Latoya, well what can I say?? Her own family finds her totally intolerable......And I really dont mind saying that she should never be forgiven or be given a clean chit IF YOU REALLY ARE A TRUE FAN.......Because she, just for the sake of grabbing the headlines refused to stand beside her own brother when he was in trouble.....How would you feel if your sister did that to you? And what had Michael done to her to deserve such a betrayal?
If MJ is truly dead then Joe and Latoya have blood on their hands too......Because they contributed ,even though on a small scale , to the emotional breakdown that MJ had towards his last years. Hello Doctor Death, Read my second message to Disco where I corrected what I had previously told on the threat. I know which kind of father Joe was, and I agree than he is criticable, but there is no need to be rough and insult him or La Toya. You don't know the childhood Joe had and you don't know what turned him this way. I think Michael had made his peace with him, and Joe supported his son during the trials, which is a big thing to put on his credit. Now if you understand how Joe's violence could destroy Michael, you should also understand that the same violence had all the chance to have destroyed La Toya either, as well as the other children. La Toya had the same childhood and she also experienced violence as an adult. She must be as damaged than Michael was, and she deserves understanding and not insults.
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