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That last line, who cares if they want to see that or not? You handle your buisness and tell them to shut up and stay out of it, unless they want to be lied to and made to feel like idiots- although people didn't even believe that he loved her OR that those kids are even his, so further proof what a great idea THAT was.

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I think the things with the kids and wifes were to give people something to talk about, both being white women, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH INTERRACIAL DATING, but with them saying he wanted to be white. the kiss with lisa marie, debbie rowe! and the kids not looking mixed,NOT SAYING ALL MIXED PEOPLE LOOK THE SAME. Princes hair was bleached blond when he was a kid..lol no mom for the kids, lying about if they were his or not, concieved natural or not. I think the point of that was all PR it kept his name in the media, it kept people talking!it wasnt suppose to be believable, just like all the doubles, i think people where suppose to catch on along time ago but didnt

[Well first of all I love his long hair! JK, jk, but the idea of long DREADLOCKS is absolutely appealing, too, LOL! I see what you mean about his family, and I often think about all the secret relationships he may have had. I hope if he's in one now and if those those aren't his kids we get to see the real ones- they don't have to be famous, of course, but I hope if they aren't what we've seen that we get to see their REAL, LOVING connection and feel so happy for him, right? If that is the case than I wish he hadn't talked about himself as if he were suffering so badly if he was happy in private

I also think he had plenty of relationships! I also want to see his kids! i hope they look just like him lol I dont think he was lying about being unhappy. I think with any famous person there is a struggle with finding someone you trust ect and the fact that he even had to do this is sad and maybe the kids and wifes are a mirror of his real life just with "actors" 2 divorces, 3 or 4 kids, different mothers, single father,kids before marriage..ect i guess time will tell

, because I'll tell that before the 25th I cried a few times just out of feeling sorry for him.. if he did hide all that family buisness don't you agree that it's not such a good choice to not have at least SAID something like, "But I feel so loved off of the stage, you don't even know" instead of letting everyone get all depressed and feeling so sorry for him? (I just got through reading posts from other members just hours earlier who were getting all teary about his lonliness)

but maybe he was lonely off stage, maybe he knew he only had a small, small circle. Maybe hes kids were all he had like he said,even with dating. you can date/marry/have children and still feel lonely

I see what you mean about them going out, but if you mean all of those photos and videos that have come out since the 25th like them at  Neverland and stuff- I don't see how those kids in all of that aren't the ones we've been seeing now or how not one picture of him with his "real kids" wouldn't have leaked, however, I don't really think we should be dissecting innocent children, no matter who they are, in this.

what im saying is if we all agree that this is a hox, and we all agree that this is has been planned for a long time, before 1996, how far fetched is it that he had the SAME KIDS AS HIS KIDS?? what if those are really klines or debbies kids and they are ok with it? he has known them there whole life? also note that we didnt see the footage until AFTER DEATH, without the faces blurried..how hard is it to have the kids a couple of times a year for an outting, or xmas footage or photoshoots to make it seem more real? without that footage who would have know those WERE the same kids we seen at the memorial? also princes hair was dyed and currently it looks like they all wear lace front wigs so we STILL may not know what they really look like....

People wanted to see mike with kids and married rite? he gave them what they wanted, just wasnt the real deal. if you go back to his diane sawyer interview and watch the man in the mirror movie with all of that in mind it will make more sense!

Now here is where I seemed to really misunderstand, and I apologize. IMO he looks darker in EO and lighter in L Girl though! Actually, he seems to be using a weird shade in LG that he never used again. BTW very off, but I absolutely ADORE the way he looks in that and the song..one of my favorites. And I see what you mean about the fakes causing confusion about his looks, I agree.

If you go to youtube and watch the captain eo footage and then look at him at the end of LB he is darker. I agree that he looks soo hadsome in that video! and there is no doubt that that is him at the end

Well because than he's just feeding the fire that they're tearing him down with, period, and you shouldn't give them any reason to do that at all! Because then, the more they tear, the more the public whose support you need believes and turns against you or just generally thinks you're TOO weird to even emphasize with, as I also read in that newspaper article, and your voice gets weaker and weaker.. But I was still misunderstood about the vitiligo thing here, so I think our opinions equally contribute.. which is confusing.

I think he has vitiligo! i also think that gave it to him and it was there plan to destroy his career and also for the black community to not like him. There is a difference in being tore down for no reason AND giving them a reason just because. Reguardless they were going to do it so why not plant events or do things to cause drama aka PR. celebs do it all the time.

That may be so about other celebs, but I think we're a little generous about that most famous man in the world thing, nowadays especially. People like Madonna, Pitt and Jolie, Beyonce' are awfully close to his level of recognition around the world, and much as I hate to say it, certainly more well- respected and again, now, probably more popular.. Like I said I understand what you mean a lot better now, but I just hope that besides his appearance he has been real and sincere and not phony

NO ONE is as popular as mj is/was there is no celeb that you can compare to mj in the 80s! and as far as him being sincere i think he was. When i say phony i mean , the wifes,kids, doubles and some of the PR stunts..blanket dangling, the mask ect. him wanting a better world, not fake, his love for people, not fake and thats all that matters. so what if we may have never seen his real wifes or kids? so what if he is actually still brown and doesnt have long hair? he was still a humanitarian and a great artist. just because your famous doesnt mean that everyone has to know you business and just because your famous doesnt mean you kids/wife have to be either. giving his kids the chance to go to real schools, have real friends who like them for them and a childhood is priceless. him being about to do things and go places with his family without being harrassed is priceless. remember he said family first

i knew that wasnt him..no one in the bashir interview looked like that lol

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First of all, any person in "the public" who would harm them if they saw them is an ass.

but there are asses out there like that! people treat celebs like they are not human

Next, EVEN if he wanted to protect his own kids, using other kids in their place, putting THEM in danger is pretty cruel, if you ask me. Making other kids who have their own lives and families pretend for years is.. Ugh.

you seen how they are protected, and if you think about it we rarely seen him with the kids AND there face was covered, we might have seen photos of them all out but who knows when and where those were taken

As for Michael, he doesn't look different from Thriller to now aside from the skin and nose, in my opinion, but we all know he has vitiligo (Thanks most likely to the Illuminati, as Mo and Souza have said), and we all also know that the only reason he appears white-skinned is because it was very bad and spreading all over him. How delighted the severe-vitiligo-suffering community will be to hear/see this insensitive news.

im not saying he didnt have it, im saying that i dont think he got as light as he looked. The bad video was in 1987 and he was pretty light BUT in 1989 in the liberian girl video he was brown, he wasnt as dark as he was b4 BUT darker than he was in lets say captain EO. How is that possible? i also agree, i dont think hes face changed, only his nose but the lighting of his skin cause an illusion that there was drastic changes, and doubles of course

And it's just my opinon, but I really don't see the fun or glory in making the media correct for so many years and giving them and the aforementioned asses in the public more and more leverage to tear you down and bear hatred against you.

they were already tearing him down for doing nothing!!!! so why not let them tear you down about things that are not true????

I know he liked to fool around with the media but these are serious issues, especially the vitiligo, and it seemed to cause him real suffering, although, of course that was probably just more fine acting on the part of the Oscar-deserving Michael, now wasn't it..? This:

klien did say he was a great actor! lol but seriously the way the media ruins lives and the things the illumanti does to people is serious also! protecting yourself and your kids is also serious and if it takes doubles and illusions to throw people off then thats what you have to do. Not being able to live a normal life is serious also and im sure he had plenty of time to think of how he could do that

may be deserving of respect for the HUGE hassle it presented, but it sure does also take away a HUGE amount of likability and sincerity from his personality- it's like, damn, man, can't you do ANYTHING for real? Isn't the world phony and superficial enough? His life is hard, true, but just about every other celebrity or important figure handles it well on their own- without all the pretend games. That's my opinion..

i dont think that other celebs handle it well, and i bet there is alot more "pretending" going on that you think. and other celebs are not MJ, he is thee most famous person in the world and none of us could ever image how that feels. dislike?sincerity? For arguement sake lets say im right, how could u not like him for doing what he had to do to be a normal man? and live a normal life? remeber he didnt ask for this......

yes i am a fan...and lol @ you thinking that if your a fan you would not be able to see a difference :roll: if i wasnt a fan i wouldnt care to investigate anything :roll:

I'm not thinking that a fan wouldn't be able to see the difference, I'm just asking because I'm a fan and I don't see it. And I know from several people who believe in the double theory that they're no fans.

well im not 1 of them

I will not apologize, either ONE Michael Jackson had
about 39 surgeries, or two or three Michael Jackson's
had a COMBINATION of 39 different surgeries.  :lol:
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not need to apologize for thinking logically...lol i cant believe people really think he made his nose that small and then went back to make it bigger again :lol:

The scar he has is on his left cheek, which I can't see visible in either picture.

The other differences you mentioned can be attributed to any or all of the following:
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on the picture where he is a teen you dont see the scar on the first picture? if you click on the picture they get bigger, you can see it on the first picture and not on the second

and for the people saying its photo shop, why would they have a picture that has been touched up and 1 that hasn't right next to each other on the same site from the 70s??? and lighting is not going or make up is not going to make the scar go away. I have seen pictures of him on the history tour and the thriller era  where you can see the scar and he clearly has on makeup. and if it was make up on those pictures again why would they do have the shoot with out make up?

I truly don't want to offend anyone with this question, but I'm wondering if the people who see differences are a fan? I have the idea that most of the 'double-believers' are no fans, but that they are only investigating the hoax? I'm just curious, because I'm a fan and I don't see it....

yes i am a fan...and lol @ you thinking that if your a fan you would not be able to see a difference :roll: if i wasnt a fan i wouldnt care to investigate anything :roll:

I remember hearing awhile back about the importance of a scar on MJ's cheek.  I think it was on his left cheek.  Was this scar ever mentioned in the autopsy report? Wow, this is a very interesting post.  I think I am going back to my padded cell. My head is spinning.
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yes in 1 of them, they meantioned him having hair still, a good weight, a scar and other none ill sounding discribtions

^^^ where did the scar go???????

20 to 30 years later and you can still see the scar.....

photoshop?  i edit pimples and scars out all the time.

photoshop in 1971?

[Hey Misha..we havent been formerly introduced as you probaly know me as WizzKidd lol ;)..yes i knew i have seen this pictures before from you along time ago..and i to wouldnt be surprised if michael was still black till this day :) to me michael was about "magic" and creating excapism so to speak..cant wait to post the video]

Hey Misha..we havent been formerly introduced as you probaly know me as WizzKidd lol  ;)..yes i knew i have seen this pictures before from you along time ago..and i to wouldnt be surprised if michael was still black till this day  :) to me michael was about "magic" and creating excapism so to speak..cant wait to post the video

Really? If that is true..then Michael Jackson is one sick, ugly human being. All that work of saying he had a terrible disease (or whichever fakeass made it up) and making everyone feel all sympathetic, making TONS of people get laughed at trying to defend him and- *gasp!!!* It's not real?! Dear Lord..

you can have vitiligo and ot turn all the way white

its not about not being proud of his heritage.you skin color doesnt make you who you are plus im sure there would be more to it.

here is my theory:

people keep talking shit about him saying he wanted to be white,he was weird,he was gay ect. so he "became" or acted on all of those things! its was all a show, i think everything we have been seeing since, at least, the bad era is fake, or staged. No respect lost on my part, all gained for having the balls to do that.

also did you ever think that him being the "master of disguise" was talking more about him going in public dressed up, the make up,hair,glasses, hats ect but in his private time he looked like the thriller Mj??? did you ever think that it would be easier for him not only to have a regular life but do things with his kids if we, the public, didnt really know what he looked like??? how could people harm him if they didnt know it was him? who would ever think that they were in the movies sitting next to mj if he was still darker? or who would harm or treat his kids bad if they didnt have any idea what the real prince/paris/blanket looked like? i think its brilliant!

I think people need to think more about him as a person and his kids instead of how you would feel. I personally think that if i am correct and we didnt know what he looked like for , protection,his kids and/or to make a fool of the media then im all for it

[Hey Misha..we havent been formerly introduced as you probaly know me as WizzKidd lol ;)..yes i knew i have seen this pictures before from you along time ago..and i to wouldnt be surprised if michael was still black till this day :) to me michael was about "magic" and creating excapism so to speak..cant wait to post the video]

Hey Misha..we havent been formerly introduced as you probaly know me as WizzKidd lol  ;)..yes i knew i have seen this pictures before from you along time ago..and i to wouldnt be surprised if michael was still black till this day  :) to me michael was about "magic" and creating excapism so to speak..cant wait to post the video

thanks and nice meeting you! and thank you for bringing this back up

^^^ where did the scar go???????

20 to 30 years later and you can still see the scar.....

I posted these pictures on the other last year and no one cared  :lol: but since i have came back and i see more people are looking into the double/twin theory I decided to post these pictures again.

While looking though his site to see how far back the multiple mjs go back i came across these pictures and IMO they look like 2 different lil boys...I will note what i see different and i would love for you to do the same.

on the top picture, notice the scar on his cheek, that is still visible today, and on the second picture it is not there

a his eyebrows seem to be thinner and the fuller bottom lip on the top picture

the bottom picture has fuller browsn and fuller top lip

but all and all it doesnt look like the same boy to me, the first picture looks like the michael we have always seem and the 2nd picture just doesnt "feel" familiar to me

edit: the way that the afros lay are different also