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Hoax Videos / Re: Michael Jackson to Dieter Wiesner- Power of Attorney
« on: February 19, 2015, 12:50:04 AM »
I think I saw that video on Deiter Weisner's Youtube page to help promote a new book he's coming out with. Not sure when it will be released. I don't understand why MJ sounds like he's reading, either. I agree, it seems forced.

The line in the article that says:

The local businessman offered “in the neighborhood of $40 million” for the use, said a source with direct knowledge of the sale process.

The $40 million jumped  out at me because I swear I read somewhere that Raymone Bain had a lawsuit against MJ saying that he owed her $40 million. I wonder if there's a connection? Or, perhaps he had kept the $40 million for this purpose?

The Movie Theory / Birdman movie
« on: November 25, 2014, 02:14:34 AM »
I just recently watched the movie, Birdman, which stars Michael Keaton.  This doesn't have anything to do with the hoax really. They bring up the 'death' of Michael Jackson briefly in the movie.  Michael Keaton plays a washed-up actor, Riggan, that was famous for a popular super hero franchise from 20 years ago. In the movie he is producing, directing, and starring in his own adaptation of a short story on Broadway as an attempt to show his critics and the public that he's still relevant in the industry. 

In one of the scenes he is in his dressing room speaking to his ex-wife.  He expresses his fears of dying in a plane crash with a bigger named celebrity, like George Clooney, and his daughter only reading of Clooney's death in the news and not his.  Afterwards, he says, "Did you know that Farrah Fawcett died the same day as Michael Jackson?"

At the beginning of this scene his ex-wife kept asking about how their daughter, Sam (who just got out of rehab) was holding up and insisted that he tries to be more supportive to her.  However, Riggan continues to change the conversation back to himself and his play.  His ex-wife, rolling her eyes starts to leave the room and reminds him why she left him (because he threw a knife at her for not liking a movie he did with Goldie Hawn and that he confuses love with admiration).  Before she leaves she says, "You're not Farrah Fawcett."

My analysis of this scene was kind of mixed.  When she said that he's not Farrah Fawcett, she must be metaphorically comparing him to Michael Jackson in that his death would receive a lot of attention.  However, in the context of this scene and saying that Riggan confuses love with admiration, she could be suggesting that Riggan just craves the attention. Which when you think about it, she's saying that Michael had hogged all the attention away from Farrah.  Which I found kind of insulting if Michael were actually dead (he wouldn't have been able to control all the media attention had he actually died).

Another interesting thing about the movie....and this is a major spoiler if you haven't seen the movie yet.... there are two attempted suicides.  One of Riggan's character that he portrays in his play and the other of Riggan himself. As Riggan goes on to perform his final scene on opening night we see that he takes a loaded gun with him onstage rather than the stage gun they had used in rehearsal.  We're led to believe that he actually shoots himself in the final scene, but he wakes up in a hospital room and we learn that he had missed and shot his nose off instead.  He learns that he has made front page news and his producer is ecstatic by the press coverage and says that this incident will become legendary. 

Then, at the end of the scene, Riggan walks and opens a hospital window.  The camera does not show if he actually jumps out of the window or not, but he's no longer in the room when his daughter, Sam, comes in.  Ultimately, in the end his death (or disappearance) is kind of ambiguous and we don't really know what happened, except for maybe his daughter who appears to be looking up at the sky and smiling in the very last shot of the movie.

I just thought I'd share this with everyone since they bring up MJ and because of the ambiguous death at the end.  I definitely recommend everyone seeing this movie.  I think it's a great movie and has a great cast and Edward Norton is amazing, as always, in it.

Introduce yourself / Re: Hi, Again
« on: November 25, 2014, 01:10:50 AM »
Hi Des! I just started hoaxing over the summer. Sometimes, I feel I missed out on a lot of things especially during the first few years after June 25 2009 and during the trials.  I'm going back and reading previous posts and see that there were pages and pages of comments.  Now, not so much. 

And if he knew he found a 'lifeless' man, then why did he insist the paramedics take him to the hospital? I thought one of the paramedics believed that he had passed before they even arrived.

A part of me also feels that Conrad was left in the dark on some things as well.  I'm wondering if maybe the 'faked death' brought other issues that Conrad wasn't prepared for. Perhaps they had planned everything not thinking that there could be a trial. It could explain all the inconsistencies.

I think they are called funeral ushers. I thought they were Pallbearers at first, but Pallbearers are the people that actually carry the casket.  I remember reading about this, too.  I think Forest Lawn only provides services related to the actual burial and care of the the deceased's body and caskets, although people can purchase caskets elsewhere.  It's usually the family members that plan out the ceremony and funeral homes would provide the facilities or space to hold the services. 

If it was the family that planned the ceremony, it wouldn't make sense to use their own relatives and friends as ushers since they're all attending the funeral.  So, I can see why they would have the TII dancers as ushers.  They already had a working relationship with MJ and would show more professionalism and discretion rather than hiring random people to fill that role.'s all just a part of the show! haha.

I like how this Spankox guy also did entire remix albums on Elvis songs.  I read that his remix albums were supported by the Elvis Presley Estate, so I feel Lisa Marie would have shared information with him about MJ.

Michael Jackson News / Greedy 'Sharks' After Prince
« on: November 11, 2014, 02:03:23 AM »
Michael will be managing Prince's career, but incognito! This woman's got one thing right protecting Prince from his relatives.  Perhaps she's working on behalf of someone??

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Money-hungry “sharks” are circling Michael Jackson‘s oldest son, Prince Jackson, in a “mad dash” to secure their position with him before his 18th birthday arrives, a source close to the family tells exclusively.

Grandmother Katherine Jackson, 84, and 36-year-old cousin T. J. Jackson‘s court-ordered guardianship will end in February when Prince legally becomes an adult, making the teen a prime target for ruthless Hollywood players — and other wannabes — who hope to manage his career.

According to insiders, it’s almost a tradition in the entertainment world for lawyers, agents, publicists and managers to try to separate teens with potential from their families as soon as they are old enough to legally leave the nest.

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In the case of Jackson’s famous children, one source described the situation to Radar as “too many sharks in one pool” that “are just biting every damn thing” they can sink their teeth into.

It seems Prince may already be falling under the influence of one such predator. An insider tells Radar that a woman who previously worked with some of Michael Jackson’s siblings claims to already be managing Prince ahead of his birthday by finding show business opportunities for him to pursue. She’s already “protecting” Prince from his relatives — including his legal guardians, adds the insider.

Managing Prince’s career could be a lucrative gig, considering all the cuts from possible endorsement and appearance fees generated by the eldest son of the world’s most famous entertainer.

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Prince, who is a high school honors student, has said he wants to produce and direct movies — something his father taught him about during his last years alive. He has also acted in a 90210 episode and “reported” for a week with Entertainment Tonight, gigs that his aunt, La Toya Jackson, helped arrange around his 16th birthday.

While turning 18 gives Prince his legal freedom, he will still be dependent on a generous allowance from his father’s multi-million dollar estate. The huge fortune his father left behind remains controlled by a trust that will dole out dollars in increments starting when he turns 21, 30, 35 and 40.

Dr. Arnold Klein / Arnold Klein Twitter post -
« on: November 08, 2014, 02:18:12 AM »
Arnold Klein just posted this on his Twitter page.  It's directed towards Howard Weitzman when he settled the first child abuse allegations. Although, I don't know how the first accusations have to do with Dr. Klein's bankruptcy and financial issues.  Also, I don't know why he starts out writing in the third person.  I've only come across a few articles about Dr. Klein in recent months, so I don't know his full story.

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Dr, . Klein was very close to Michael Jackson and is very aware the will the estate  was settled with was a fraud. It was signed in LA on 7/7/02  a day Jackson was in NewYork with Al Sharpton. Harvey Levin has purposely elevated the doses of Demerol Klein used when Dr. Klein was out of  the Country all of May 2009, Furthernore,  John Branca has 2 seats on  the Board of Private Bank and is the questionable trustee of the Jackson  Estate.. In 2004 Klein won the Botox trial against Irena Medavoy  and Time added Klein to its Timeline which was a very big honor. For the Botox trial Dr. Klein used attorney Howard Weitzman. Weitzman had settled the first molestation trial  for Michael Jackson with Johnny Cochrane and Michael never forgave him. I knew from Carrie Fisher’s Dentist that he and a Dr. Mark Tobenken had drugged his own son into admitting he had a sexual encouter with Jackson. Evan Chandler,the Dentist and father, was forced to admit he used the controversial sedative sodium amytal when he extracted a tooth from Jordan in early August. On May 3, 1994, KCBS-TV news reported that Chandler claimed the drug was used for.tooth extraction and that the allegations came out while Jordan was under the influence of the drug. Mark Torbiner, the dental anesthesiologist who administered the drug stated  if sodium amytal was used, “it was for dental purposes.”] Sodium amytal is a barbiturate that puts people in a hypnotic state when injected intravenously. Studies done in 1952 debunked the drug as a truth serum and demonstrated it enabled false memories to be easily implanted.Dr. Phillip Resnick, a noted Cleveland psychiatrist[17] said it was a “a psychiatric medication” and “People will say things under sodium amytal that are blatantly untrue.” I\ receptive to suggestions due to the context and to the comments of the interviewers.”[According to Dr. John Yagiela, coordinator of the anesthesia and pain control department of UCLA’s school of dentistry, “It’s unusual for it to be used [for pulling a tooth]” and “better, safer alternatives are available.”[5]According to Diane Dimond of Hard Copy, Torbiner’s records show that Robinul and Vistarol was administered instead of sodium amytal.[19] The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration was investigating Torbiner’s administration of drugs in house calls, where he mostly gave patients morphine and Demerol.Dr. Klein remembers the Tobiner’s black bag visiting Carrie Fisher’s house so much he called Bryan Lourde.

We talk about Michael  and the cease and desist he ordered against Steve Hoeffln who Michael blamed for his addiction to Propofol since the late 1980’s. Michael was also dependent on drugs like Ativan and Xanax and talked publically about it on Fox News in 2007. I also told Weitzman about how Jackson despised John Branca and written him a letter demanding all papers returned.Jackson had begun taking painkillers, Valium, Xanax and Ativan to deal with the stress of the allegations made against him.Please note it was never narcotics or true analgesics. Howard

Michael Jackson was dependent on Propofol and sedatives. You settled the case against Michael for the money and as Dr. Klein’s Attorney you sat there and let your best friend Harvey Levin Crucify Dr. Klein wth lies about Michael and Demerol. Dermerol and narcotice were never Jackson’s drugs of choice and you let Harvey Levin destroy Dr. Klen’s reputation,.Dr. Klein’s genius gave Evelyn O. your wife semi-mother 2 extra years of life and her daughter survived aggressive breast cancer which would have killed her by doctor’s who said she was “cured.” Dr Klein made you over $500,000 with Allergan you as his attorney saw them sollcit the Medical Board of California’s investigator Kimberly Wilson over ridiculous allegations by Pfeiffer,Khilji,Rish and probably Branca that Klein was responsible for Jackson’s death when Pfeiffer,Khilji and Rish tried to kill me Dr , Klein elevating his coumadin level.. The public is ignorant and knows nothing of addition. Dr Klein was gone all of May and in June reduced Michael’s Demerol dose to 100mg /week as He rebuit his face for the film.” This is It. Without my work which Jackson refused to be filmed. When Dr. Klein called you and told you he was again overmedicated with a dangerous anti-psychotic to make him mentally incompetent so he could be placed in bankptcy court,they are selling his homes with fraudulent mortgages, and the Trustee is inconspiracy with the embezzlers—-Klein simply wanted an attorney he never heard from you. Why? Because the settled estate signed with a will signed in LA on 7/7/02 a day Michael was in New York with Al Sharpton. Maybe you never gave him an attorney because Dr Klein knew Murray was totally incompetent and hired by Tom Barack because Barrack was forclosing on his home in the Red Rock Section of Las Vegas and Murray was up to his neck in debt and  had to take the Job. Barrack hired him for Phillip Aschutz of AEG.

Returning to the first molestation events a  few months after the allegations became news, Michael  had lost approximately 10 pounds in weight and had stopped eating.[ According to Jackson, he had a tendency to stop eating when "really upset or hurt" and Elizabeth Taylor had to make him eat during this ordeal; "She took the spoon and would put it into my mouth."He said that he eventually became unconscious and had to be fed intravenously. In a court deposition unrelated to alleged child abuse, he was visibly drowsy, lacked concentration and repeatedly slurred while speaking. He could not remember the dates of his prior album releases or names of people he had worked with and took several minutes to name some of his recent albums. His health had deteriorated to the extent that he canceled the remainder of his tour and flew with Taylor and her husband to London. When Jackson arrived at the airport, he had to be held up; he was then rushed to the home of Elton John's manager and afterwards to a clinic] but when he was searched for drugs on entry, 18 vials of medicine were found in a suitcase. Jackson booked the whole fourth floor of the clinic, and was put on a Valium IV to wean him from painkillers( no sedatives.)  singer’s spokesperson told reporters that Jackson was “barely able to function adequately on an intellectual level”[While in the clinic, he took part in group and one-on-one therapy sessions. So Mr Weitzman you sold out Michael but you knew the truth as my Attorney you let Harvey Levin sit there and lie about Michael Jackson nonexistant problem with Demerol. You Howard knew I wrote a book on addiction, spent two years  on the National Research Council expert panel on drug dependence and let Harvey Levin sit there and Lie.You know Michael and I had a Covenant about releasing his records but when Jason  Pfeiffer released them line by line to Randy Phillips of AEG it is a HIPPA violation and  to them to Harvey it is Hipaa violation. If was only lost income it would be just Elder abuse but Havey kept featuring my bankruptcy  together with the double the doses of Demerol is the CEO Private Bank and set up

1) Michael wrote a letter firing Branca in 2003 but where is the rehiring letter .

2) Since the first molestation event Jackson’s drugs of Choice were Ativan, Xanax, Valium and Propofol  but never narcotics .with an addictiion specialist Mark Honzel and Jackson’s Internist I P

Others / Re: Pheonix, author of Michael Jackson: The Lie Becomes the Truth
« on: November 07, 2014, 01:23:39 AM »
This is the dumbest book in the world.  It’s cover to cover lies and bullshit. I’m hitting my head against the wall right now for taking the time to read this junk. I guess I was trying to figure out who this author was and his relationship to the Jackson family.

Pheonix proclaims himself a former publicist and promoter for the Jacksons and had briefly managed Tito’s career (when in fact, all he did was book a few shows for him).  I have a feeling that this is the extent of his association with the family, although he claims to have had numerous private conversations with the family members and spoke as if he’s known them since the 70s.

He completely bashed every member of the Jackson family (with an entire chapter on Jermaine) describing them as lazy, talentless, and broke; that they’re barely getting by now that Michael isn’t supporting them; and criticized their recent tours and television appearances.  And he shared his thoughts on what they should have done to promote themselves and how they should have managed their careers.  It made me wonder if maybe he was jealous in some way – perhaps they didn’t ask him to help with promotion and bookings in recent years.

He claims to be very close to the family.  So close, that people often mistook him as one of the Jacksons, which I found kind of funny.  In some chapters, it seemed as if Pheonix wanted to BE a part of the Jacksons. He included pictures of autographed memorabilia and boasted how he’s the only person with all album covers signed by all members of the Jackson 5.  I couldn’t understand why he would include these when the entire book is backstabbing everyone. 

I didn’t find any additional connections to the Nation of Islam, which was another reason why I read the book.  I think Pheonix is either a member or follower.  However, he mentioned ‘crystals in the body’ several times when he referred to Michael allegedly using drugs.  He kept saying, ‘he was destroying the crystals in his body’ with drugs and plastic surgery.  I had no idea what he meant by having ‘crystals’ in the body.  I’m not sure if that’s an NOI belief or not.

Revisiting Old Stuff / Re: Paramedic Testimony Confused
« on: November 04, 2014, 01:56:41 AM »
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The stories are conflicting because they are lies. All lies. Its sad that not even 2 of the many people involved can even tell the same story. Everybody has a different tale to tell. It rings of lies.  :screaming-7365:

It kind of reminds me of the Arvizos...none of their stories matched up.

Other Odd Things / Re: Grace Rwaramba Twitter
« on: October 29, 2014, 12:26:34 AM »
Out of the Jackson brothers and sisters, she only follows three of them: Tito, Jermaine, and LaToya.  And only LaToya follows her back.  Given the length of time she had worked for Michael and practically helping raise his children, I would have thought she would be closer to the family. Also, she follows 3T and two other cousins, but not Prince?? And he doesn't follow her, either.

Other Odd Things / Re: Happenings in Las Vegas, October 13, 2014
« on: October 27, 2014, 04:34:02 AM »
This is a puzzle game you can download onto your iPhone or Android device.  I think the objective in the game is to complete a puzzle in each room to move up a level. 

Here's some info I found:

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Not sure how it fits in with the hoax, though. 

Michael Jackson News / Re: Empire News article
« on: October 27, 2014, 03:59:05 AM »
I understand the satire in this, but we shouldn’t let it affect us in any way.  I can see their point of view in all of this, though.

When we take a step back from what we’re doing here, from our beliefs, from the entire hoax community...we’ll see that WE created all of this simply based off of our own hunches.  Let’s be honest, when has there ever been hard evidence that MJ is alive? The only way for us to know is for MJ himself to appear and tell the world that he’s still here. But, it’s been five years and no MJ….yet, we’re still here. Waiting. Believing.

So, I understand how absurd this may seem to non-believers.  To them we’re just a few steps away from becoming a cult or even our own religion.  You don’t know how many times I go into my car and the first song I hear on the radio is Michael Jackson and I would take this as a ‘sign.’ I live in the LA-area now and drive past Forest Lawn everyday to work. There are many times I’ve considered getting a job there just to get proof that his crypt is empty. And one time, I drove out to the Barnes and Nobles in Calabasas to read books all day and hoping that MJ would be there in disguise.  Because he loves books, am I right? It makes sense to me that he would probably stop in there. Go ahead - it’s okay to laugh at me.

But, I also have moments where I ask myself why I do these things? What’s the purpose? Why do I believe in this? Would I be mad at myself if he really is dead? Would I feel guilty for believing he’s alive? Am I wasting all these years believing? I tell myself no.

Because, suppose we all believe him to be dead, I feel I would still go through these same experiences except for a different purpose.  His songs would be a ‘sign’ that his spirit still lives; Forest Lawn would be sacred grounds, so of course I would try to get a job there; and, I would still go into Barnes and Nobles in remembrance of him and his love of books (but, also because I love reading).

And I think our community will still exist but perhaps with a different mission. Our love for Michael is so strong; this is what actually bonds us all together. That’s the real reason why we check back into the forum every day. It’s not about finding a new ‘clue’ or analyzing a picture or video. It’s about MJ…and our love for him. And, honestly, I think the tabloids would STILL mock us just because we are so devoted.

So, I don’t care what the tabloids think of us. Michael endured this type of thing throughout his entire life.  And now that he’s not here, they’re going after his children, his family, and now his fans. But, no matter what happens the next 5…10…20 years, etc….our love for Michael will never die.

Other Odd Things / Happenings in Las Vegas, October 13, 2014
« on: October 26, 2014, 03:09:04 AM »
The research I did for this post was done in response to the ‘LV 13 10 56’ tweet from Nelson de la Nuez over the summer.  I had speculated that something was going to happen in Las Vegas on October 13.  (56, of course, is MJ’s current age).

I found some really interesting tweets coming from Dave Dave’s Twitter recently.  If you visit his Twitter page, you will see that he sent tweets from several different locations around Las Vegas (where he currently resides) on and before October 13. You’ll see that on October 10th, he tweeted from two different locations in Vegas.  Then, on October 12th he tweeted from the McCarren International Airport.  You’d think that maybe he is about to leave to travel somewhere.  However, on October 13 he was still in Las Vegas because he tweeted from the Boyd School of Law (which is the law school of the University of Nevada – Las Vegas).

So, I’m assuming he was probably at the airport to pick up somebody.  But, who? He never makes this known.

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Also, the fact that Dave Dave was at the UNLV law school caught my attention as well (because I’ve read conflicting stories about his actual education and occupation- once I read that he went to film school, another that he went to law school in Utah). I tried to find some kind of connection between October 13 and the UNLV and I came across the news articles linked below.  Hilary Clinton had visited Las Vegas to speak at the UNLV Foundation Dinner held at the Bellagio. She also attended a fundraiser prior to the event. I don’t know if this is hoax-related, but I wonder if Nelson de la Nuez wanted to point this event out to us. There were many donors and philanthropists that attended both the fundraiser and the foundation dinner.  Perhaps MJ may have attended in disguise (not as Dave Dave, though). I don’t know where he stands on the political spectrum or if he supports Clinton as a candidate or if he just has connections to the UNLV.

Many people speculate that Hilary is running for office in 2016. It makes me wonder if the next presidential Election Day (November 8, 2016) may have something to do with the hoax. It’s kind of a stretch to make that connection, but with the recent discussions on Obama, Ebola, etc. I think this is something to consider.

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