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« on: August 18, 2016, 12:46:41 PM »
dr. murray has secret lives?
Multitasking
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« on: August 17, 2016, 01:14:40 PM »
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« on: August 17, 2016, 12:55:26 PM »
Hello to everyone, This Jack Cooner guy does look real sometimes to me , but also looks very different sometimes, it does look like prosthetic make up at times, i especially looked at the hands and imho, saw in one of the videos that it does looks strange, like a smaller hand(thinner fingers) has prostehetic make up on it (at the palm of the hand), the fingers look thinner then the hand itself. it looked like it doesnt belong to eachother.
[member=15679][/member] realdeal i don't say that he is MJ , but i do think it is possible for MJ to look like Jack Crooner, if you see the metamorfose of Michael at the making of Ghosts, the lips are also of, but still its MJ. my problem are the hands, they look off at times to me, but i am not sure also.( maybe wisfull thinking)
I add the vid of making of ghosts i like to compare at one topic.
I am sorry for my english, thats also why i don't post for a long time, but i will never leave!
BTW i love the new forum, i imagine that it has cost so many hours and labour.
So thank u: Souza, and all the Mods who has made this forum possible, I really wanted to say that, alltough its off topic i hope you don't mind.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_fkHjssP7E[/youtube]
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« on: March 19, 2015, 05:03:08 AM »
i love your post iamhere4MJ.
And i do like that you have the abillity to let people have their own opion ,and own search for the truth.
I personally don't believe any of the accusations at all ( let that be clear). regarding Mj, but Mj made some bad choices regarding sleeping with children in the same bed or even in the same room, he was claimed a intelligent man why did he do that, everyone could have known it was fuell to to the fire while doing that. I suspect that he was thinking like "i did nothing wrong so i can't get in trouble for that, so imo that was bad judgement from his side. but that my opion.
@iamhere4MJ,...Wade later on changed his story from repressed memory into " i always known, but thought it was love" this was( if i recollect correctly) because the judge ordered him to change to get the claim going on, i hope i will find that post about that matter, if i do i will share.
@Do, i hope you will continue to post here, i know you are not a hater but instead loves MJ very much, you are in search for the truth. i hope you will find the truth for your own peace of mind.
p.s. you asked in a former post why would people jump the band waggon and claim that MJ molested them, the answer is a whole lot of Money. people are greedy, extremely greedy, money can take away lots of sorrows, and hey, the man is dead so it won't hurt him no more.
Tht's why Wade accused the estate, and P.A. and claim 1.62 billion! because i think you can't sue a dead man....
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« on: March 16, 2015, 08:26:44 AM »
:LolLolLolLol:
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« on: March 02, 2015, 02:57:19 PM »
@ it'sher ,yeah otherwise it wouldn't make sense. would it?
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« on: March 02, 2015, 02:40:12 PM »
.... I have toyed with the idea that the latest allegations are designed to keep Michael in his place of being 'dead' as well. His career has been reinvented since he 'died' and the estate has made mega bucks. I think that there would be many who would like this gravy train to continue without him reappearing. So throw some more fabricated bullshit out there and give him the option of stay gone, where they can't reach you and let us deal with this, or go back and face a repeat of 2005 with the added surprise element of having faked your death thrown in there for added effect.
I think he has chosen option 1. He is a father who has the well being of his children to take into account.
RK, it's a great thought and totally makes sense to me.
This could be the sad and terrible truth ... that MJ is still not 'free' and in control. I posted a similar idea a few days ago and asked the question of whether legally he'd be in sticky waters if he later resurfaced, having stayed dead knowing there were these allegations being made against him. Has he missed the window of opportunity to come back and face this head on and is now forced to stay dead?
But, RK, who are you suggesting threw the 'fabricated bullshit'?
Horrible if the whole hoax idea that was meant to be such an adventure for all concerned, has monumentally backfired in such an ugly way.
I’ve thought about this a lot as well, Curls and RK—wondered if these new allegations are being presented, as well as consequent suggestion of guilt regarding old allegations being maintained, in an effort to paint MJ as an unreliable source regarding something more sinister if and when he ever does choose to come back, i.e., like a just in case . . . let’s keep the fabrications rolling as a monumental distraction (and destroyer of credibility) from anything significant he might want to reveal. IDK :icon_e_confused:
But yes, it seems the bottom line question regards the who and why. I’ve never been one to believe the hoax was primarily conducted as an adventure but have rather always seen the “adventure” part as a side activity. However, I thought I read somewhere that a person has seven years from the alleged date of death to return without suffering legal loss/repercussion (?).
agree, wow i never heard of that starchild, but it gives new perspectives , i already had let go of the thought MJ would ever come back. but never lose hope.
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« on: March 02, 2015, 02:36:20 PM »
.... I have toyed with the idea that the latest allegations are designed to keep Michael in his place of being 'dead' as well. His career has been reinvented since he 'died' and the estate has made mega bucks. I think that there would be many who would like this gravy train to continue without him reappearing. So throw some more fabricated bullshit out there and give him the option of stay gone, where they can't reach you and let us deal with this, or go back and face a repeat of 2005 with the added surprise element of having faked your death thrown in there for added effect.
I think he has chosen option 1. He is a father who has the well being of his children to take into account.
This could be the sad and terrible truth ... that MJ is still not 'free' and in control. I posted a similar idea a few days ago and asked the question of whether legally he'd be in sticky waters if he later resurfaced, having stayed dead knowing there were these allegations being made against him. Has he missed the window of opportunity to come back and face this head on and is now forced to stay dead?
But, RK, who are you suggesting threw the 'fabricated bullshit'?
Horrible if the whole hoax idea that was meant to be such an adventure for all concerned, has monumentally backfired in such an ugly way.
I’ve thought about this a lot as well, Curls and RK—wondered if these new allegations are being presented, as well as consequent suggestion of guilt regarding old allegations being maintained, in an effort to paint MJ as an unreliable source regarding something more sinister if and when he ever does choose to come back, i.e., like a just in case . . . let’s keep the fabrications rolling as a monumental distraction (and destroyer of credibility) from anything significant he might want to reveal. IDK :icon_e_confused:
But yes, it seems the bottom line question regards the who and why. I’ve never been one to believe the hoax was primarily conducted as an adventure but have rather always seen the “adventure” part as a side activity. However, I thought I read somewhere that a person has seven years from the alleged date of death to return without suffering legal loss/repercussion (?).
agree, wow i never heard of that starchild, but it gives new perspectives , i already had let go of the thought MJ would ever come back. but never lose hope.
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« on: March 02, 2015, 02:29:47 PM »
Hi Shy, don't worry, I don't feel disrespected at all! I'm very glad that we can talk about this without arguing! And I totally understand were you're coming from. It's cristal clear for you, but I'm still strugling with it a bit. I do understand when you (and Michaelslady) are saying that a child don't want to go back to someone who is doing these things. I can't say much more about it, like I said, I'm trying to stay neutral on this. P.s. Ben je klaar met het klussen in je huis  [/quote] [/quote] Hi Do,m happy to read your post, and i love the discussion, but i guess you know that. Nog steeds aan het klussen Do, maar het einde komt wel al in zicht, het is het leukste werk van de wereld( voor mij althans) lol, maar het ontbrak mij vaak aan tijd. btw.....dat je het nog weet, ben jaloers op je geheugen.
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« on: March 02, 2015, 02:13:50 PM »
It could be AEG is a mayor spill in trying to get MJ down in the past, and MJ came to insight that they tried to get the doctor under pressure maybe he wants to learn them a lesson, a expensive lesson. if he didn't get out that day he certainly would have died..
AEG have to admit they were very responsable for the extortion.
Maybe it's a lesson for all the artists who had the same sort of conditions aswell.
but it's just my thought.
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« on: March 01, 2015, 03:21:18 PM »
i feel sorry for you Michaelslady, and hope you have found a way to live the life the way you want.
Wade explicitly talked about what MJ did to him, and also tells he didn't know it was sex. abuse, just like Michaelslady said you know nomatter how old you are that it isn't a natural thing. you don't want to be around them.
My concern goes out to the people who really have been abused , people like Wade , safechuck,do ruin it for people who really had this expiriences.
HI @Do, we are not talking about a little boy here, we speak about a grown man of 20 years old who was a key wittnes in the 2005 trial. Who after that waited for 10 years to discover that he was also sex. abused by MJ. :icon_eek: he said he always knew, but didnt know it was sex. abuse. but thought it was love , again, 20 years old!
Not in 1.62 Billion years
P.s@ DO it is not my intention to disrespect you or anyone else, i hope i haven't done this in my post.
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« on: February 27, 2015, 04:49:23 AM »
This post will be a further comparison of Wade Robson’s complaint with the testimonies of all Robsons at the 2005 trial – Wade Robson, his mother Joy and sister Chantal. The purpose of it is to pinpoint Robson’s lies (which are many) and restore the real events the way they really happened and not fantasized by this guy. You are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginSafechuck and Wade: I want to add a post of another forum member named OTW who has really good writing skills atleast much better then mine. Re: Michael Jackson Hit With New Sex Abuse Claim from a 5th accuser Part 2 Quote Originally Posted by bosinsie View Post It is a shame that Safechuck's claim may get thrown out on a technicality. I actually think the statute of limitations on sexual abuse & rape should be longer or else the accrual time frame should be changed just due to the nature of the type of allegations involved. Unfortunately, the same issues are involved with Bill Cosby's victims who will never get a day in court because they blew the SOL. -- and for those who want to make personal attacks, save the keystrokes, any attacks will be reported. For your information, California has one of the most accuser friendly law systems in child abuse allegations, but fortunately in a law system both sides have rights, not only accusers. In this case we are talking about people who had all the opportunities in the world to make these allegations when the accused was alive and could have answered to these allegations and face them under more fair circumstances. It's not like one of those cases where alleged victims come out late because they thought they were alone with their problem. These people went through two rounds of allegations against MJ (in 1993, 2005) saying nothing happened or even defending him. Now that they need money and now that the accused is not here to answer they change their story to be able to file multi-million dollar lawsuits. With that they are also trying to take away a big part of the heritage of orphaned children but I know you so not care about the rights of those children. So this is not a case with that you can make a good argument for why statutes of limitations should be abolished. On the contrary, it shows why they should exist. Reply of OTW: I know you do not care about "all that courtroom junk" just about what tabloids write, but it's not just a technicality that Safechuck already managed to contradict himself and be caught in a lie just to get around statutes of limitations. In his initial complaint he claimed he told his mother about the alleged abuse in 2005. vq0emq.jpg Later, when he realized that is not good for his equitable estoppel argument, he contradicted that claiming he did not know about the illicit nature of the alleged acts and that he was abused until he saw Robson and sought therapy in 2013. sffhug.jpg So if you are readily changing your story and talk BS just to get around statutes what else you are lying about? Not to mention the whole ridiculousness of the claim that an adult man would not know what sexual abuse is - especially under these circumstances where he has been asked about it several times by authorites and where the accused went through a public trial. 1993 and 2005 were no triggers to him, but seeing Robson on TV talking about a lawsuit for money was. Yeah, right.... I know you do not care about what actualy goes on in Court about a case (unless it's something salacious) you just want to see MJ's name get dragged through the mud, I know you are a hater, but I wanted to get this out for those who may actually want to get informed. And some more info about the missed statutes in this case: Probate Code 9103 gave Safechuck an opportunity to file after he claims he realized he was abused. That code gives a chance for late claims within 60 days of anyone realizing the facts giving arise to their claim. In this case Safechuck claims he realized he was abused by watching Robson in May 2013. According to Probate Code 9103 he could have filed within 60 days after that alleged realization. He did not. He filed a year later. According to his lawsuit he went to Robson's lawyers in September 2013, but even then they did not hurry up to file - another 8 months passed until they did. Apparently it was more important to them for Safechuck's filing to interfere with the release of Xscape than to hurry up to file. He filed on May 9 (Friday). By Monday, May 12, Diane Dimond had and published the story. Xscape was released the next day. Actually, Dimond could only get the leak from Safechuck's camp, because the actual lawsuit was not in the court system at the time yet. The actual filing of the lawsuit took them until August! (BTW, what took them so long?) The May filing was only a notice that they would file. So you can clearly follow the game being played here. They were more focused on how to create bad publicity for the release of Xscape than anything else. So you see, this is not a good case for why statutes of limitations should be abolished. On the contrary, actually. Safechuck did have all the opportunities in the world to be within statutes as per Probate Code 9103 but playing the blackmail game (and trying to force a settlement with that) apparently was more important. This shows exactly why Plaintiffs should not have unlimited opportunities to file. Last edited by OTW_; 01-09-2015 at 03:17 AM. 2,896 Gifts Black Christmas IpodMask Re: Michael Jackson Hit With New Sex Abuse Claim from a 5th accuser Part 2 Quote Originally Posted by bosinsie View Post It is a shame that Safechuck's claim may get thrown out on a technicality. I actually think the statute of limitations on sexual abuse & rape should be longer or else the accrual time frame should be changed just due to the nature of the type of allegations involved. Unfortunately, the same issues are involved with Bill Cosby's victims who will never get a day in court because they blew the SOL. -- and for those who want to make personal attacks, save the keystrokes, any attacks will be reported. Shouldn't you and others be asking yourself why didn't he and Wade come out when Mj was alive. He and Wade had ample opportunity to get real justice when Mj was alive, afterall Sneddon was begging for other "victims" to come forward for the 2005 trial. So let's not try and pretend Jimmy and Wade have been denied justice. So if Jimmy case gets thrown out it's his own fault. Re: Michael Jackson Hit With New Sex Abuse Claim from a 5th accuser Part 2 Quote Originally Posted by OTW_ View Post For your information, California has one of the most accuser friendly law systems in child abuse allegations, but fortunately in a law system both sides have rights, not only accusers. In this case we are talking about people who had all the opportunities in the world to make these allegations when the accused was alive and could have answered to these allegations and face them under more fair circumstances. It's not like one of those cases where alleged victims come out late because they thought they were alone with their problem. These people went through two rounds of allegations against MJ (in 1993, 2005) saying nothing happened or even defending him. Now that they need money and now that the accused is not here to answer they change their story to be able to file multi-million dollar lawsuits. With that they are also trying to take away a big part of the heritage of orphaned children but I know you so not care about the rights of those children. So this is not a case with that you can make a good argument for why statutes of limitations should be abolished. On the contrary, it shows why they should exist. I know you do not care about "all that courtroom junk" just about what tabloids write, but it's not just a technicality that Safechuck already managed to contradict himself and be caught in a lie just to get around statutes of limitations. In his initial complaint he claimed he told his mother about the alleged abuse in 2005. vq0emq.jpg Later, when he realized that is not good for his equitable estoppel argument, he contradicted that claiming he did not know about the illicit nature of the alleged acts and that he was abused until he saw Robson and sought therapy in 2013. sffhug.jpg So if you are readily changing your story and talk BS just to get around statutes what else you are lying about? Not to mention the whole ridiculousness of the claim that an adult man would not know what sexual abuse is - especially under these circumstances where he has been asked about it several times by authorites and where the accused went through a public trial. 1993 and 2005 were no triggers to him, but seeing Robson on TV talking about a lawsuit for money was. Yeah, right.... I know you do not care about what actualy goes on in Court about a case (unless it's something salacious) you just want to see MJ's name get dragged through the mud, I know you are a hater, but I wanted to get this out for those who may actually want to get informed. And some more info about the missed statutes in this case: Probate Code 9103 gave Safechuck an opportunity to file after he claims he realized he was abused. That code gives a chance for late claims within 60 days of anyone realizing the facts giving arise to their claim. In this case Safechuck claims he realized he was abused by watching Robson in May 2013. According to Probate Code 9103 he could have filed within 60 days after that alleged realization. He did not. He filed a year later. According to his lawsuit he went to Robson's lawyers in September 2013, but even then they did not hurry up to file - another 8 months passed until they did. Apparently it was more important to them for Safechuck's filing to interfere with the release of Xscape than to hurry up to file. He filed on May 9 (Friday). By Monday, May 12, Diane Dimond had and published the story. Xscape was released the next day. Actually, Dimond could only get the leak from Safechuck's camp, because the actual lawsuit was not in the court system at the time yet. The actual filing of the lawsuit took them until August! (BTW, what took them so long?) The May filing was only a notice that they would file. So you can clearly follow the game being played here. They were more focused on how to create bad publicity for the release of Xscape than anything else. So you see, this is not a good case for why statutes of limitations should be abolished. On the contrary, actually. Safechuck did have all the opportunities in the world to be within statutes as per Probate Code 9103 but playing the blackmail game (and trying to force a settlement with that) apparently was more important. This shows exactly why Plaintiffs should not have unlimited opportunities to file. Link:http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php/755439-Michael-Jackson-Hit-With-New-Sex-Abuse-Claim-from-a-5th-accuser-Part-2/page47?highlight=michael+jackson+sex+abuse
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« on: February 27, 2015, 02:41:03 AM »
Hi DO,
Wade himself told in a interview that knew he was molested, he did testify under oath and was cross examed, and past it!
He wanted to testify , wich TM said also in a interview.
And lets not forget that he was at the time of the trial 20 years old, but still was not aware of the molestation that happened to him??( he knew but th love)??
If you were molested you probably would know if it was the first day or the next day you slept with your molester. Wade his sister testified under oath she was in the same bed. Wade said in the court documents he was molested the sec, night, that was the night his sister testified she was in the same bed, doesn't make sense does it, . It would be easier for a molester to not have witnesses besides him tho?
Wade thought it was love untill he reached his 40. so when he was 20 he still not did know he was molested but thought it was love because MJ told him it was LOVE, even the hype and the urge of getting MJ conficted wasent a trigger for wade to see he was molested for 7 years.
In your post you can see the victums were well aware of the molestation, i never heard of one child that said "oooh i didn't know what he did to me wasent a good thing? i thought it was love because he said that it was love", the children you talk about felt embarressed and felt shame and were angry at their abusers , that are common emotions , like Wade recently said in a interview he felt compasion for his molester. come on, compassion for a guy who ruiend your carreer and income because you can't work becaus of what he did to you!
1995: under oath the mother and sister testified they spend 2 weekends at neverland inbetween they did trips during the week and returned the next weekend with the whole family (granparents parents and wade and his sister, the mother as also the sister said everyone was on that trip, wade now tells he stayed for that week so MJ had molested him that week also , doesn't add up with the trial.
Even after 2009 he continued to give tributs to MJ?? Untill the AEG trial started. and he didn't get the estate work as a choreographer and hired a nother one. and suddenly you see that you were molested! LMOA
did forget to mention Wade said it wasen't for the money, still he claims 1.62 billion.
He can't sue MJ because he is a decedent , so he holds the estate responsable for giving the opportunity. So probably they even on a distance were ought to know MJ molested Wade, but Wade himself had not a clue he was...... :icon_eek:
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« on: February 25, 2015, 02:41:39 PM »
Robson's sec. amended, below at the page are the other documents aswell. You are not allowed to view links.
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« on: February 25, 2015, 01:38:51 PM »
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