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General Hoax Talk / Re: how to edit my own post
« on: September 05, 2010, 11:47:49 AM »
Quote from: "Puff"
Quote from: "truth_prevails"
Quote from: "superflysister81"
There is an 'edit' button in the bar on top of your message...does it work?
no the button is NOT there, thats my problem :(
as soon as I refresh the page after making my post its gone...

You can't edit your post...

no i also checked the older posts, NO edit OPtion for me maybe please a MOD can help?

I sent an email to the information email adress someone please look at this I need to gt in my posts. :)

Messages to Michael / Re: YELLOW RIBBON FOR MICHAELs Birthday
« on: September 05, 2010, 11:27:22 AM »
thank you guys, for all the POSITIVE response! :D

General Hoax Talk / Re: how to edit my own post
« on: September 05, 2010, 11:20:43 AM »
Quote from: "superflysister81"
There is an 'edit' button in the bar on top of your message...does it work?
no the button is NOT there, thats my problem :(
as soon as I refresh the page after making my post its gone...

General Hoax Talk / how to edit my own post
« on: September 05, 2010, 10:57:18 AM »
excuse me, I need to edit my own post but I see NO option for that. Please how do i do this? I see an edit option on some posts I made, but NOT on all and NOT on the one I need. Maybe a MOD can contact me?

Thanks for the help.
Love :)

Messages to Michael / Re: Message of Love by Leahim Jackson
« on: September 05, 2010, 10:51:13 AM »
Quote from: "Puff"
Quote from: "truth_prevails"
SOMETIMES its worth it NOT to  JUDGE people we don t know anything about too fast.

No matter what, the MESSAGE is a GREAT one and I hope there won t be all that HATE coming along his way, but MICHAELS message to LOVE one another and not to Judge people before knowing the facts.

First of all no need to yell....
We are not judging, but we don't like people who play with fans' feelings, ya know....  :roll:

SORRY I didn t mean to yell, I m SORRY...but I do have a problem, can you help me please?
How do I edit my own post? I don t see an option here, please tell me, I would like to change it. thank you :)

Messages to Michael / Re: Message of Love by Leahim Jackson
« on: September 05, 2010, 10:15:58 AM »
SOMETIMES its worth it NOT to  JUDGE people we don t know anything about too fast.

No matter what, the MESSAGE is a GREAT one and I hope there won t be all that HATE coming along his way, but MICHAELS message to LOVE one another and not to Judge people before knowing the facts.

Messages to Michael / Message of Love by Leahim Jackson
« on: September 05, 2010, 07:21:10 AM »
this is not directly a message to MIchael, so I m not sure I postet right.
I hope this has not been postet yet, If so please feel free to close this topic.

There s a new YOUTUBE CHANNEL by Leahcim Jackson, Michael Jackson Double. Don t get confused he s NOT LEAHCIM NOSKAJ. PLease watch his video and visit his channel. Its a GREAT MESSAGE he is giving to Michael Jackson Fans. Its a call for a message to MICHAEL
Thanky you

channel link:
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Messages to Michael / YELLOW RIBBON FOR MICHAELs Birthday
« on: August 22, 2010, 02:32:19 PM »
i had an idea, if you like it please help me spread it. I know many people come here to read and i hope many will pick this up... I m hoping this will be another SUNFLOWER shower- ONLY with YELLOW RIBBONS for Michael to come back and get OFF the bus :)


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Michael Jackson News / Message for M.J. Justice- William Wagener
« on: July 02, 2010, 08:06:32 AM »
Please watch and support and forward this message.

No explanation necessary, the video is self-explanatory.

Let s do this for Michael and in the name of JUSTICE for all the innocent convicted people.



here a new message with more details for anyone interested in helping:

Failure is NOT an Option!- by William Wagener

Please spread this message:
FACT is I said, in APRIL 2005 that Jury would find
MJJ NOT GUILTY. June 13, 2005, JURY did EXACTLY that, which was a slap in
the face to the Prosecutors, by Not finding guilt in even one count, not even a misdemeanor. I was in the TRIAL every day except two. I saw more of the real trial than the BIG Network Media pundits. MJJ WAS more than INNOCENT, MJJ was a victim of faked , forged evidence, and Tom Mesereau proved it, but did not demand that the California State BAR "disbar" prosecutors, Tom Sneddon, Ron Zonen and Gordy A.

So, I propose to do this, make a TRUE to LIFE documentary centered on the trial as it really was, the way the NETWORK Media did NOT cover it. the TRUTH.
Cost - about $2- 2.5 million. then BUY time on Network TV from California to New York, coast about $3-8 million

I NEED the FANS to help. I need MJ fans and fans of JUSTICE to help.

HOLLYWOOD & Bankers do NOT want me to make this documentary. They
are controlled by the same corporations that abused MJ over and over.

So I need 1 million or so MJ Fans to donate on a single day $5, 10, 20

to bring the money together to do this. I have been producing a local TV show
10 years HERE, in Santa Maria, Home of the Michael Jackson inquisition.

I do it at my OWN expense. No commercials. so NO advertizer can influence what I say on MY TV show, "ON SECOND THOUGHT", on the internet as
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I need an expert to update and redo my website now. but.

HERE is my plan :

Here again is the process, I propose:

ThanK you for your real name and address,

and PLEASE remind them getting JUSTICE of MICHAEL is like

building a house, you do it from the ground up. Not from the Roof down.

You start building when you know you have the funding to complete the house.

1. Lay the foundation = get the "WilliamWagener" channel 500,000 active subscribers,
who will watch each Video. so I can communicate directly with the MJ

by SUBSCRIPTION - Automatically they get my new uploads.

2. Set up the frame work = Set a PLEDGE DAY , to see if there are sufficient
money Pledges to reach the Minimum needed $5 million.

3. Set a MONEY BOMB day, for MJ fans and fans of JUSTICE to donate,
[ like Ron Paul raised $8 million in 24 hours running for Pres. Nomination in 2007 ]

4. set up the Production staff to make the documentary, hire accounting office
to keep track of expenses and pay actors, etc.

5. Film in hi - Definition for TV and INternet, review the final Production with select MJ fans, a selected few, for their re-action and approval. THIS is VERY important, because these "reviewers" of the final Documentary can vouch to the other MJ fans, that the final product IS in keeping with truth and what they expected.

6. BUY National TV air time to AIR it Coast to Coast. 2011

7. BUY ads for the scheduled TV AIR time .

8. SHOW THE WORLD what the truth of the trial was, MJ was the victim
of selective persecution... and victim of FALSIFICATION of EVIDENCE
by Tom SNEDDON & RON ZONEN, in a felony CONSPIRACY against MJJ.
[ I just realized with a phone call from Dee Pfeiffer 3 weeks ago, that the fans
did NOT understand the MJJ was a victim of FAKED EVIDENCE. Fans were
mostly there to "STAND WITH MJ" not analyze the trial. The Big MEDIA was
there to spin it to a guilty verdict, and I alone was there for my local TV show
to find the truth behind the accusations. IF MJ had been guilty I would have
told you so, regardless of the Jury verdict. But he was Absolutely innocent.
And I have never been a Jackson fan! Never went to his concerts. I did NOT
even hear about "Thriller tour" until 2004.

Another case where the man WAS guilty was postponed to make time to "get Jackson"
and HERE I have already on video a THAT case that
was postponed, [ because Judge Rigali let me video tape IN the Courtroom] where the child molester admitted his crime, and they postponed that case until AFTER the failure to convict MJ. Shows the wrong priorities of the District Atty. Office.
Yet that case was postponed to go after MJ. Shame on the District Atty.

9. A new Special GRAND JURY of Santa BARBARA solid Citizens INDICT former
Prosecutors, Tom Sneddon, Ron Zonen, and Gordy Auchincloss for 3 felonies commited against Michael Jackson in and during the 2005 MJ Trial. Indictment sent to Sheriff Bill Brown to make the arrests by 2012. Michael is now vindicated for all time.

I don't want to give away all my secrets. But I can tell you. When this is known by the General Public... the change in attitude will bring on a demand for
indictment of TOM SNEDDON,


Michael's name will be CLEARED, and whackos who disagree with the JURY verdict will be silenced to anyone who has real thinking brains.
is a reason, I call my Show, "On Second Thought". I give people cause to re-think what they "Think" they know as fact, simply because Main Stream Media has brain washed them. I cause people to start "critical thinking" again.

Thanks. Remember 1st step is to get 500,000 SUBSCRIBERS for the Plan to work. I Need to be able to speak to people instantly by Video upload.
Oh, and I need some volunteers to do Sub-titles for me regularly. In every language, and I want those people close to me.

Our goal is NOT to show the MJ fans that Michael was indeed innocent
but to show the NON - MJ fans that Michael was innocent AND a Victim
and lastly get Tom Sneddon INDICTED.

IF we let EVIL prosecutors break the laws and get away with it, worse things
will soon happen to us.

We must RAISE the $5-10 million , produce the TRUE trial documentary, show it to the world, and vindicate MICHAEL JACKSON, Putting Tom SNEDDON in PRISON.
is NOT an OPTION. There are at least 10 million JACKSON fans around the world. They just spent 1 billion dollars AFTER MJ's death on
"This is it" which was not even properly finished.

WE CAN and MUST do this, before the HATERS dirty up Michaels name and
write false history how the Jury made a mistake. The Mostly all white Jury did
NOT make a mistake. They looked at all the faked evidence and said "NO WAY".

PLease if you understand English look at some of my 800 videos already on my channel, so you "Know me", know my heart. Start with my Michael Jackson and Neverland clips and put them on your SHARE LIST , send to friends.
Ask MJ fans to SUBSCRIBE. MOST important first step.

thanks to all who Care about Justice,

Will i am
Host& Producer of On Second Thought.

postet by T. P. ;)

Quote from: "andy1andy2"
Everyone please subscribe to William Wageners channel{top link} He needs 500,000 MJ fans to back him up.For more info click on the link and find out for yourself what he is all about.

Thank you ;)
 here s a new video about Mr. Wageners plans ( since the video is blocked in my country i can only post the link and NOt insert the video...anyone who also has it blocked can open www. and there you can put in the link, enter and then watch ;)

so here the link: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

If anyone whos not blocked can insert it here, that d be great ;)

Deutsch / Innocent kampagne-an alle deutschen Fans
« on: June 11, 2010, 04:20:19 PM »

Bitte unterst├╝tzt Mr. William Wagener. DANKE :)

Another message from Mr. Wagener...More detailed information how he wants to get Justice for MJ by finally telling the truth to the world about T. Sneddon... if anyone has any questions concerning this matter, please feel free to message me, I am the person that received this mail frm Mr. Wagener and is trying to help him. Thank you :)

WE CAN - - get JUSTICE for Michael if we really want to... but not at Murray case.
Will you help spread this message:

I have sent several Messages. Essentially - - THIS IS IT.
did it have these essential POINTs;
The Daily MEDIA pool, inside the courtroom was usually, 75-100 , I was the only one

doing a Local TV show, and asking, "hey Mr. Prosecutor, can you show me ONE witness who does not get caught in their own lies?" I stood alone, like an unwanted bastard child in the Network TV & Radio Print MEDIA . I was witnessing a Media lynching of MJJ, and

the Responsible, Main Stream Media , MSM, seemed to have lost all objectivity. For a reason,
they were controlled, & Directed for an evil purpose, not apparent at the time. But I sensed it was EVIL . MJJ was innocent. Sneddon was guilty of crimes against MJJ. I was the witness.

ONLY, last two weeks, did it occurr to me, that all those fans that packed the other 50 seats at the back of the courtroom, were NOT really listening to the evidence. NO. They were there to Support MJJ or just be near him. Most of the media just reported the accusations. And now

I understand why the JACKSON FANS missed , the Network Media ignored, the obvious evidence tampering by the PROSECUTORs.

All these 5 years I thought the FANS were all FULLY AWARE. Now I don't think so. So its time
to share this from my 12th TV show on the 2005 Trial done during the trial, and this clip is from just after the verdict. June 2005, you see what Sharon Sidney and I are saying. PUT the PROSECUTOR in jail for felonies. Of course this was only a local TV show. IT was all I could do, but now YOU TUBE makes it possible for me to share with Fans around the world
and I hope you will SHARE it. Ask them to subscribe to my channel, and help me create the funding to do a real accurate documentary.

I spent $5000 bringing Valentino over to do a "cheer up" MJJ rooutine. I lost
money doing it on June 12, 2001 because Negative fans thought I was using
MJJ to make money. I lost $5000 to cheer up fans most of which boycotted the Valentino event. So I have been reluctant to interact with the fans since, and just let JONE push her book. Even if all the seats had been full, I would not have broke even. I can go back to selling real estate, and make $15,000 per month, or I can work on bring MJJ some justice, PUBLIC vindication, with a well produced [ costing at least $2 million ] plus another $3-5 million to buy an hour of AIR time for 3-5 nights and run a 1 hour special of the documentary,
syndicate it. Of couse I can not live on NOTHING, but who else would you trust, the MSM , the Nancy Grace or Jim Moret. I stood alone in that media pool from February to June 13th, 2005, and they all told me I was "going in the wrong direction" , "not part of the team" , and still I said week after week, "Tom Sneddon you snake, show me one witness that is NOT caught in their lies".

1. Only the Fans can raise the money. be it $5 million or $10 million
cost to each fan is cost of one dinner out on the town, a lot less than
1 million fans giving 5 - 20 $ and we have the Production cost covered
and I hope the AIR TIME purchase covered. all in 2010-1011
A. 50,000 to 500,000 MJ fans read this letter or a condensed version & Subscribe.
B. They check out my claim to have been doing TV shows DURING the TRIAL
and stating, "show me one witness who is NOT caught in their lies against Michael"
and "Michael will be found NOT guilty".
C. The MJ fans automatically get my uploads so I can talk to them directly via YOU TUBE
D. I set up a DAY. one day. call it "PLEDGE" DAY, when Fans who want to see the documentary done by William Wagener the TV Producer of OnSecondThought, the money on
a new website. NO Money changes hands. JUST 500,000 fans pledging $5 to $20.00 each

If that PLEDGED Amount reaches $5 - 10 million , and that is sufficient to Produce the
DOCUMENTARY for $2 million, buy Network AIR time for 3-5 million [what ever it is in 2011 or 2012] on "PLEDGE DAY", then a day to actually send money to a specific designated account will be set.

E. In a single day, the MJJ fans will be asked to send their $5 to $20 each, and the next day William Wagener and staff will anounce the total amount and make a NEWS RELEASE
that the PROJECT : "Justice for Michael" will begin the film production.

F. SCRIPT written . Directors, Asst will be sought, looking first to proven MJJ supporters who happen to work in video or film. This will be a made for TV and Internet Production.

G. Applications to play the Fans will be give PRIORITY to real FANS . I will seek out some
of those who actually are seen on the REAL footage I have.

Scheduled Production time 18-22 months. to final cut, READY for TV.

2. We make an accurate documentary of the Trial and stuff outside the trial
complete in 2011, & buy AIR time coast to coast.

3. We PUBLISH IT on NETWORK coast to coast TV , for the NON-fans to see.

- - - END of Step 1 - - -

4. WE then show how Tom Sneddon and Ron Zonen faked and fabricated false evidence - fingerprint - phone charts, etc. so that there is a growing demand to prosecute Sneddon. SET asside Statute of Limitations like they did with the Jordy Chandler evidence. [Good for the goose is good for the fox ]

- - - BEGINING of STEP 2 - - -

5. We get a 25 man/woman Santa Barbara Special grand Jury to issue indictment of Tom SNEDDON, [ also Ron Zonen, Gordy Auchincloss ] for
faking evidence. They hand the Sheriff the INDICTMENT to arrest Tom Sneddon and co-conspirators. Maybe, just a thought, Tom Meseareau will act as the Private Atty. General for the Special Grand Jury. In 3 weeks it is done. INDICTMENT may be made based on
Special Grand JURY instructions, and sent to Sheriff Bill Brown.

6. The Trial begins, the evidence is the court record, plus a few sheriff deputies that hate Sneddon and were left off the witness list in 2005.

7 . We obtain conviction, and put Sneddon in PRISON, to collect his $100,000 pension while serving time.

IF the FANS enable me to do this, I will NOT likely get rich, I will become persecuted in Santa Barbara County, most likely. I will Need money to cover my living. But it will be a lot less than what MJJ spent on just one lawyer.

In the end , we will show the World how faked and crooked the trial was. with faked evidence.

MJJ will be vindicated . Sneddon EVEN INDICTED, but Not convicted will
prove how crooked the 2005 trial was.

It may be my last work in this life, but I am up for it. Not because I ever was a jackson fan, I was not, I was a moderate JACKSON FIVE fan, decades ago. But before I die, I need to see some JUSTICE to the criminals who run Justice [ Just us ] Legal system, just for their profit.

IT is totally up to the fans. IF there are enough dedicated fans still left, They claim millions,
we only need 500,000 to donate just a little. For the remainder of their life they will be able to
say, I was there for MJJ, I donated freely my small part to force EQUAL JUSTICE on Tom Sneddon, and vindicate Michael JACKSON for all time.

THEY will decide collectively, If I see my SUBSCRIBTION list jump by the end of JUNE, I'll set up the website and bank account. I have already briefly talked to Gary Nimmer who owns the Jackson NEVERLAND footage done for the defense for court.

Dee Pfeiffer of Leicester England suggested I do this. NOT me, IT was NOT my thought at all. But if the FANS will finance it, I'll do the production and make it a reality.

Time for the FANS to stop whining and either stand up for JUSTICE for MICHAEL, or be silent in their suffering, cause the General public has been poisoned by the Main.Stream MEDIA, MSM, dispite the JURY verdict, dispite all I did on my LOCAL only TV show for 12 Weeks during the TRIAL.

Does that answer your question, if not email me here, but first do me the courtesy of searching all my video uploads about MJJ or Neverland, or Sneddon. so you know who you
are dealing with. I am NOT a fan, I am NOT Network Media, I am NOT BASHIR,
I am a man who helps people seek justice, or at least expose the crimes committed against them and their children. [ See my clips on Pam & Wilbur GASTON & the interview I did May of 2009 ] MJJ would have cried if he had know how Wilburs daughter was stolen by evil lawyers, CPS workers and raped, molested BY THE GOVERNMENT FOSTER Parents, and one the first one , Hazel Spees admits on the footage I discovered of COURT video that she did it, made a 7 yr old do kiddie porn, and Hazel was never EVER punished because a Oregon state
CPS worker, Larry Lawson ordered her to do it to a 7 year old. ]

I and Michael both wanted to protect children from harm. That is my common bond.
Michael and I both recognized there is Little or NO JUSTICE in the "justice system".

Sneddon needs to be indicted for his felony, first we have to change the PUBLIC perception
of the trial, and show them SNEDDON's crimes. I am up for that.

Will i am
still standing in Santa Maria,
still Hosting and Producing "On Second Thought"


Quote from: "VeryLittleSusie"
This is great!!!!  ;)  :) I'm gonna help! I guess facebook would be a cool tool! (I'm from Europe btw)

Yes, please post it anywhere you can and spread the message. Its all for LOVE...and all for Michael :)

Thank you so much

I have an important question to ask you...You are located in Southern California OR L.A.?
I don t know if you have seen William Wageners videos about T. Sneddon. Mr. Wagener is trying to get justice for Michael. I ve been in contact with Mr. Wagener about this and I am trying to help him. Here s an excerpt from his first letter to me:

"... its time
to share this from my 12th TV show on the 2005 Trial done during the trial, and this clip is from just after the verdict. June 2005, you see what Sharon Sidney and I are saying. PUT
the PROSECUTOR in jail for felonies. Of course this was only a local TV show. IT was all I could do, but now YOU TUBE makes it possible for me to share with Fans around the world
and I hope you will SHARE it. Ask them to subscribe to my channel, and help me create the funding to do a real accurate documentary.

SUBSCRIBE my Friend and SHARE this with friends.

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TIME has come to make a accurate Documentary of the MJJ TRIAL

so the TRUTH comes out, and the PROSECUTORs who falsified the evidence

can be PUT in PRISON..."

Video attached J

to get started Mr. Wagener asked me to contact Fans from Southern California who are going to next Mondays trial, and see how many can email him to meet with him Sunday, late afternoon, 13th.

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Whether you intend to go to the trial or not, I think its most important that if you are in the area and can make time to meet with Mr. Wagener, please contact him. Mr. Wagener has always been a supporter of Michael Jackson and has always believed in his innocence. He is taking great effort to get JUSTICE for MJ about what happened during the trial and to finally get the ones responsible for destroying Michaels life like they did by using false evidence and put the Prosecutor in jail for felonies.

So if you ARE from that area please support Mr. Wageners plan and try to be there. If you are not from there, please subscribe to his channel and spread the message, because this plan can only be realized, if enough MICHAEL JACKSON FANS SUPPORT Mr. WAGENER. Thank you.

I know this is short notice, but I just received this request today.

I am very happy to help Mr. Wagener with his plans and to be able to do something for Michael after all that Michael has done for us and this world.


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