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(CNN) -- A Dutch child is believed to be the only survivor of a passenger plane crash in Libya Wednesday that may have killed more than 100 people, the Dutch Foreign Ministry said.

The plane was carrying 93 passengers and 11 crew members when it crashed while trying to land at the Tripoli International Airport.

The boy was undergoing surgery at a hospital in the Libyan capital of Tripoli after the Afriqiyah Airways plane that left Johannesburg crashed as it neared the end of its flight.

The Dutch ministry said it had a representative at the hospital waiting to identify the boy, believed to be age 10. He apparently suffered bone injuries.

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It's a miracle that the kid has survived the crash, you can't imagine that someone came out alive when you see the footage...

The Double Theory / Is this Michael or not?
« on: April 30, 2010, 05:21:03 PM »

We are having a discussion somewhere about this picture. Is it Michael or not? Who else could it be?

Michael's Impersonators / E'Casanova's birthday, anyone?
« on: April 16, 2010, 08:51:28 AM »
I've searched almost the whole internet, but I can't find the exact birth date from E'Cas...
One site says he's born in 1975, another in 1971, and again another says that he was a toddler (3 years) when Michael was 8 years old...

So, if anyone can find or knows his birth date, please let us know.

Nederlands / Interview Jermaine Veronicagids
« on: April 14, 2010, 04:17:25 AM »
Deze week staat er een interview met Jermaine in de veronicagids, ik heb hem nog niet binnen, verwacht hem vandaag ergens. Ben eens benieuwd of er wat interessants in staat.

Nederlands / Gedenkteken in Best
« on: April 13, 2010, 04:58:17 AM »
Hallo medelanders, lees onderstaande:

Beste Mede fans,

Zoals jullie weten is het Michael Jackson beeld in Best zo onderhand een bedevaartsoord geworden voor alle fans, het bied steun en je vind er altijd mede fans om je verhaal en tranen bij kwijt te kunnen.

Omdat deze plek zo speciaal is voor alle fans wereldwijd mis ik iets bij het beeld, namelijk een gedenkteken van Michael's Nederlandse fans.

Daarom vroeg ik mij het volgende af: Kunnen we zoiets niet realiseren ?

Wat is de bedoeling ?? Ik heb een design gemaakt (zie foto) en dat wordt op een rvs plaat van 550 bij 550 mm gesneden, en de tekst wordt er ingefreesd .

De tekst is nog niet bepaald en daarom had ik het volgende in gedachte:

Bedenk de text die jij op het monument wil hebben en plaats dat hier op MJJCommunity en aan de hand van een poll zal bepaald worden welke text op het monument gaat komen. De winnaar wordt bekend gemaakt op het European Jackson Event en er zal een leuke prijs aan verbonden zijn.

Uiteraard is er overleg geweest met Peter van Gelder (eigenaar Mc Donalds Best) en die vond het een super idee, ook hij vond dat de Nederlandse fans een plekje moesten hebben bij het beeld.

Het gedenkteken zal geplaatst worden tussen de benen van Michael's beeld en is daardoor goed zichtbaar voor iedereen.

Dit project zal ongeveer 250 Euro gaan kosten en na overleg met het Jacksonevent team is besloten dit geld door middel van een loterij en of een donatie bij elkaar te sprokkelen op het European Jackson Event in Eindhoven op 25 Juni. Mochten we meer ophalen dan gaat het overige geld uiteraard naar het goede doel: het Ronald Mc Donald huis in Veldhoven.

Laten we hier samen een waardig monument van maken die onze liefde voor Michael voor eeuwig laat zien op het beeld van Michael.

Tot de 25e en alvast bedankt voor de moeite,

Patrick Tieleman

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The Double Theory / Who thinks that Michael used doubles?
« on: April 13, 2010, 03:32:58 AM »
First of all, I've asked this before in double threads but since there is a double theory section, I wanted to make a topic about it. I'm just curious how many people believe in the double theory.

So the main question is clear: Do you believe that he used doubles or not? It doesn't matter in what era, and it's only about Michael not about his kids etc.
And the other question is: Are you a fan or not?

Second: It's not my intention to start an argue here, I only want to know how many double-believers there are.

I (still) don't believe that he used doubles for public performances like speeches or concerts. I think he only used them to mislead for example the papparazzi.
And I'm a fan for almost 20 years now.

MJ Tributes / June 25th 2010: European Jackson Event part 3
« on: April 11, 2010, 01:02:49 PM »
JacksonEvent is organising a third European Jackson Event on june 25th in Eindhoven, the Netherlands.

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It will be a nice evening, a combination of remembering Michael and celebrating his life (ps: they are non-beLIEvers  ;) ) and there will be different acts. Entrance is free, and more info will be added.

Past EJE's have been a great succes, with a lot of foreign visitors. And in 2005 Michael send this message to his dutch fans:


I've posted this already in another topic, but I think it's worth to look at.
IMO there are 2 things possible:
1) He was born as Michael JOE Jackson
2) He was born as Michael JOSEPH Jackson, but changed his name into Michael JOE Jackson. Which I don't think, because he was too young to change his name during Motown era.

In both ways, his name on the DC has to be JOE, and not JOSEPH like it says now...
His DL and passport both say JOE.
Please read:


Birth Date and Legal Presence and True Full Name Requirements
Why Is DMV So Careful About Identification?
The issue of identification—its reliability, integrity, confidentiality, etc. —is of prime concern to all citizens. The eligibility for government services, the issuance of various licenses, the assessment of taxes, the right to vote, etc., are all determined through evaluations based on identification documents.

It is critical that identification documents and systems be authentic and accurate in order to positively and uniquely identify each individual. The California legislature has declared the California driver license (DL) and identification (ID) card as the primary identification documents in this state. California state law requires that all applicants for an original California DL/ID card submit proof of legal presence in the United States (U.S.) as authorized under federal law. Your true full name, as shown on your legal presence document and/or your name change document, will appear on your DL/ID card. These requirements help safeguard the accuracy and integrity of the documents issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV).

Do You Need to Replace Documents?
If you need to replace or obtain your birth date/legal presence document, refer to the Vital Statistics information on the outside panels or You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login. Immigration-related service and benefit functions of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) transitioned into the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) as the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS). The customer service phone number and website for USCIS is listed on the back panel.

Identity Requirements For an Original DL/ID Card
When you apply for an original California DL/ID card, you must present:

•An acceptable birth date/legal presence (BD/LP) document(s).
•An acceptable true full name document if the name of your BD/LP document is different from the name on your DL/ID card application.•Your Social Security number (SSN). It will be verified with the Social Security Administration (SSA) while you are in the DMV office. You must also provide verification of your SSN to change an existing SSN on DMV’s date base.

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TMZ Articles / Michael Jackson Coroner's Report
« on: February 08, 2010, 02:18:48 PM »
Michael Jackson Coroner's Report
Posted Feb 8th 2010 3:15PM by TMZ Staff

TMZ has just obtained a copy of the full L.A. County Coroner's report in the death of Michael Jackson -- which until now was under seal. The conclusion is clear ... Propofol killed the singer.

According to the report, the manner of death is homicide and the conclusion is based on the following 4 items:

1. Circumstances indicate the Propofol and the benzodiazepines were administered by another.

2. Propofol was administered in a non-hospital setting without any appropriate medical indication.

3. The standard of care for administering Propofol was not met. Recommended equipment for patient monitoring, precision dosing and resuscitation was not present.

4. The circumstances do not support self-administration of Propofol.

The Coroner's report was under wraps until the criminal complaint was filed and it will be a centerpiece in the prosecution of Dr. Conrad Murray on charges of involuntary manslaughter.

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TMZ Articles / Conrad Murray's Lawyers Cancel Presser
« on: February 05, 2010, 03:16:19 PM »
Conrad Murray's Lawyers Cancel Presser
Posted Feb 5th 2010 3:30PM by TMZ Staff

Dr. Conrad Murray's legal team has pulled the plug on a news conference scheduled for this afternoon -- this in light of the news the D.A. plans to file a case on Monday against Murray in the death of Michael Jackson.

As we first reported, a feud between the D.A. and the LAPD over how to bring Murray in has caused a delay in charges being filed. Murray's legal team had planned to show up to court today -- charged or no charges -- but backed off that plan and instead scheduled a news conference.

Then the D.A.'s office put out a release saying they planned on making their case on Monday.

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Pictures & Videos of Michael / Viva La Vida
« on: January 24, 2010, 01:18:48 PM »
I just found this clip, beautiful song from Coldplay and it totally fits...


TMZ Articles / Jackson Estate to Joe - Off the Money Train!
« on: January 22, 2010, 12:12:40 PM »
Jackson Estate to Joe - Off the Money Train!
Posted Jan 22nd 2010 12:15PM by TMZ Staff

Michael Jackson's estate does not want to pay Joe Jackson an allowance, because Michael Jackson did not want his dad to be a beneficiary under the will and Joe wants to use the money for lavish expenses -- not maintenance.

According to legal docs just filed, estate lawyers say Joe was never legally dependent on Michael Jackson during his life.

And, according to estate lawyers, the so-called "maintenance expenses" Joe wants include vacations, air travel, hotels, assistants and legal fees.

And Joe Jackson says the allowance will include money so he can "support his children or grandchildren."

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This Is It / Slip-up from Timor?
« on: January 19, 2010, 06:31:17 AM »
Yesterday Timor Steffens was a guest in a dutch talk show.

He is now working on a movie with Cher (he cancelled a tour with Whitney Houston to do that movie)
But he said something that caught attention:

In dutch:
''Na de film van MJ, dat ik TII heb gedaan, daar natuurlijk de mooie film is uitgekomen''

It means: ''After de movie from Michael Jackson, I did This Is It, and ofcourse the beautiful movie as a result''

So... Is this just another slip-up, that TII was always meant to be a movie?

Hoax Pictures / Memorial picture
« on: December 26, 2009, 01:40:40 PM »
I haven't seen this picture before, anyone?

Michael Joe Jackson ~ Michael Joseph Jackson / Could it be like this...
« on: December 21, 2009, 05:10:58 PM »
I was just thinking about it, and posted it in another topic.

Maybe it's like this: We all know Michael the artist, as Michael Joseph Jackson.
So he decided to stop with his career, no matter what the reason is: The King Of Pop, Michael Joseph Jackson dies.
But the real person, Michael Joe Jackson (let's say that he's born as Joe), didn't die.

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