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Hoax Videos / TMP SPECIAL MESSAGE 7: CLOSER TO MICHAEL
« on: September 25, 2011, 06:16:08 PM »
Here is the latest video from The Michael Project:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r0YZj3iU54&feature=share[/youtube]
Comment from TMP: "Some insights and revelations about the "Michael" album cover."

This is a great video with again a lot of food for thought!

I Love the Carpenters version of Close to You and yes! It fits Michael like a GLOVE!  I find it interesting that the first ever recording of Close to You was done by Richard Chamberlain who also happened to play Edmond Dantes (The count of Monte Cristo) in the 1975 version of the Count of Monte Cristo.
You may remember that The Count of Monte Cristo is V favorite film.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFCSYhCjHLQ[/youtube]

The Version shown in V for Vendetta is the 1934 version with Robert Donat. I Love the Count of Monte Cristo and the 1934 version is the best! :) I love the final scene!  ;)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsPA9O4_RsA[/youtube]

And for those of You who have been following The Michael and The Movies series, you may remember Errol Flynn -- Well Errol Flynn got his break-through when Robert Donat declined to perform the role of Captain Blood in the 1935 movie.  We live in a World of connections!
Oh! Yes! and David Greene who directed the 1975 Film, The count of Monte Cristo also directed the 1973 film Godspell, another film closely connected to Michael. Oh! And Godspell, the musical is making its way back to Broadway in the Circle in the Square Theatre on October 13th 2011!

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With L.O.V.E



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Here are the latest videos from The Michael Project series Michael and the Movies.

1. Shawshank Redemption Part 1

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMWrJrqjaGY&feature=related[/youtube]

2. Shawshank Redemption Part 2
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyoF_84RUWY&feature=related[/youtube]

Those videos are very very GOOD and  provide some amazing insight into Michael's work and much FOOD FOR THOUGHTS.  There is a very strong emphasis on "They Don't Care About Us" and as TMP puts in one of his comments: "Isn't it curious they went through the trouble to make TWO videos for this song, both being production heavy and expensive?"  ;) ;)

With L.O.V.E

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This one’s going to upset allot of people. Tickets for the Michael Jackson Tribute Concert have been slashed – giving the biggest hint yet – tickets are not selling.

Tickets have been slashed by up to 50%. This is yet another hurdle for the organizers who already have a fight on their hands with Michael’s fans who are upset with the planned event.

Fans who have already bought tickets have been receiving the following message:


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Thank you for contacting the Michael Forever Tribute Support Team. We are in the process of contacting all customers regarding the price reduction. We will be in touch soon confirming the information.
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UPDATE: New pricing for Tribute Concert Tickets:

We are delighted to announce that the ticket prices have been reduced for this event. The new pricing is detailed here:
Restricted View (old) £55.00 (new) £35.00
Standard Seated (old) £87.00 (new) £45.00
Standard Upper Tier (old) £97.00 (new) £55.00
Premium Upper Tier (old) £137.00 (new) £75.00
Standard Middle Tier (old) £175.00 (new)£95.00
Premium Middle Tier (old) £240.00 (new) £125.00
Pitch Standing (General Admission) (new) £97.00 £55.00
Golden Circle (Standing) £195.00 (new) £95.00
If you have purchased a ticket that was previously classed as Restricted View, we can confirm these seats have been reclassified with a clear view of the Stage and large screens and re-priced to £45.00. If, however, you would prefer to sit in a genuinely restricted view seat with a further £10.00 refund then please contact us at support@michaelforevertribute.com

What happens next?

You do not need to do anything; we will automatically refund you the difference between the original price paid and the new price. You need to allow 14 days for this refund to show back to your account. Whilst the refund will happen automatically, when it appears in your account is dependant on your card issuer, if you have not received it after 14 days please contact us at support@michaelforevertribute.com

We will email you again to confirm the refunds have all been completed.
If you wish to upgrade your ticket or change your order in anyway as a result of these price changes please email us at support@michaelforevertribute.com with your original order details and we will deal with these on an individual basis.
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I just hope that nobody here has bought tickets, it is just looking worse every day!!! At face value, seeing this happening is embarrassing :-[
All I can think of saying is  WTF??

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MICHAEL JACKSON ESTATE
Something Stinks Over
the MJ Tribute Concert


41 MINUTES AGO BY TMZ STAFF



The honchos in charge of the Michael Jackson Estate are threatening the people behind the Michael Jackson Tribute concert, claiming the promoters have sullied Michael's name and are possibly even ripping off the Estate.

Howard Weitzman, lawyer for the Estate, fired off a letter to promoters of the concert -- set for October 8 in Wales -- expressing displeasure that one of the bands that will be performing is KISS, whose guitarist, Gene Simmons, publicly accused MJ of being a hard-core child molester.  Weitzman wrote in his letter, "It was extraordinarily embarrassing when no sooner than you announced this 'news' that he would participate in your concert that TMZ posted an item noting that Mr. Simmons called Michael Jackson -- the man you are purportedly honoring -- a child molester..."

Weitzman also questions where all the proceeds for the concert will be going.  We're told Joe Jackson and Leonard Rowe are behind the concert, and they've always been quick to cash in on MJ's name.

And Weitzman suggests promoters may be running afoul of the law by using "intellectual property that is controlled by the Estate" -- which includes MJ images and his songs.


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TMZ Articles / TMZ Article: EX-WARRANT SINGER JANI LANE DEAD AT 47
« on: August 12, 2011, 07:52:05 AM »
EX-WARRANT SINGER JANI LANE DEAD AT 47

Posted: 8/11/2011 7:50 PM PDT BY TMZ STAFF



Jani Lane -- former lead singer of the rock band Warrant -- was found dead at a hotel in L.A. Thursday evening ... TMZ has learned.

Lane's body was discovered at the Comfort Inn hotel in Woodland Hills, CA. So far, no official cause of death has been released.




Lane famously penned the band's biggest hit "Cherry Pie" back in 1989 ... before eventually leaving the band to pursue a solo career.

Lane had a history of alcohol-related issues -- he was ordered to serve 120 days in jail after he was arrested for DUI in 2010 ... his second DUI in two years.

Lane was 47.


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The Movie References / TMP Special Message 4: The Spiderman
« on: May 17, 2011, 05:54:48 PM »
[youtube:2uoagj0r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_xlWxhZvVI[/youtube:2uoagj0r]

TMP takes us through Michael's meeting with Stan Lee from Marvel Comics and discusses his possible influence on the Spiderman movie(s).
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It is another great video from TMP, full of interesting facts and clues.  It is well worthwhile going for a 15 minutes SPIN with TMP!

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[youtube:o49w3935]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfAZzJpBsnY[/youtube:o49w3935]
When a good director PLANS out things correctly...he can pull off anything.

Which movies has Michael been involved in the last few years?
CATCH 22 if you get them all!
It is an extremely well made video, full of interesting FACTS and CLUES.

 michael-jackson/

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It was on one of our MANY journeys, with the goal of hopefully unveiling some of the MYSTERY surrounding Michael’s “death”, that we discovered, over half a year ago, the spiritual numerology site called “Riding the Beast” ( You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login ). One of the regular posters to that site, “Michael” (Disclaimer: We DO NOT KNOW who “Michael” is and whether “Michael” has any association with the “hoax”), was noted to have a very innovative and interesting perspective on SACRED LIGHT CODES.  The concept of SACRED LIGHT CODES has been developed by “Michael” and is the product of “Michael”s own knowledge.

This post will look at what the SACRED LIGHT CODES are, how to calculate them and their SIGNIFICANCE in the context of Michael’s HOAX.

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1. Simple Definition of SACRED LIGHT CODES

In simple terms, the SACRED LIGHT CODES are messages from GOD that are sent to us as numbers or symbols (dates/words) that can easily be converted to numbers.  Depending upon where we are on a spiritual journey, we will see those numbers in a different “light” and act upon them in a different way.

Some relevant quotes from “Michael”:

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Some choose to see numbers at the basic level (materialism) and some choose to see numbers as sacred light codes (Spiritual).

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That sacred spiritual light codes is not numerology nor is it math but a sacred method of understanding the harmonic meanings of the symbols we call numbers. Numbers are both physical and spiritual. When one gets a physical message by way of a number one then needs to seek the spiritual meaning and this is not an easy task but one must start somewhere.

2. The Spirituality behind SACRED LIGHT CODES

All of God’s Creation is connected: The sacred divine principle of Oneness.

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All of God's Creation is connected. Creation is from one source and is made of light. Light at this level of God's Creation is dense light and as you proceed up the TREE OF LIFE the light becomes more luminous, but again it is the same light. There is only one Creator, One Creation and One human race.
We have different cultures. When shared properly the walls come down and peace on earth. There is a generation coming in the coming century of light, who will embrace the sacred divine principle of oneness. When this happens the world you see today is but a dim light in comparison. You can stop wondering about the sacred harmonies of the symbolic language of numbers by beginning to open oneself to the sacred knowledge of God Our Creator.

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Mohammad was/is an avatar (or an enlightened Being), a Divine Spark of the Creator, called a Lord of Light, just as Yeshua (Jesus), Buddha, Rama, Lao-Tzu, Confucius, Abraham and Moses were, and
as are all the other great Wayshowers of the past, masculine and
feminine, who came to bring the wisdom of the Creator to various races
and cultures. They came bearing more of their God Essence than the
masses carry within their incarnated Soul-Self. The amount of God
Essence each soul embodies depends on their God Self or I AM Presence,
and the mission they have accepted before incarnating on Earth during a
particular era. They came to Earth with a message from our
Father/Mother God that was appropriate for the times, and they leave
their loving aura/Essence in the higher planes of consciousness so that
they are always available to humanity. Much of the teachings of the
Great Beings of Light have been distorted, for the primary message they
all conveyed was that we all are Divine Facets of the Supreme Creator,
under the direction of our Father/Mother God of this universe. Their
message was/is love of Self and love of all creation; that you all are
here on Earth as extensions / representatives of our Father/Mother God
as cocreators in the realm of physicality.

Numbers and language go together to assist us to acquire sacred knowledge.

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Most people probably 99% of the population do not understand the importance and harmony of sacred numbers. God is the ultimate master architect of all of Creation. This is really putting it in layman terms. You nor I or anyone else really knows God. If we did we would know all of Creation and we simply don't. Numbers come from God and no other source. Numbers and language are symbols that can assist one to begin to understand the true nature of God. Numbers and language go together to assist us to acquire sacred knowledge. The book Song of Songs is a book to obtain sacred knowledge. If I understand this correctly Song of Songs is related to the mystical tradition which the Jewish People called Kabbalah (TREE OF LIFE). Some religions think that Kabbalah is the work of the devil. I assure you it is not. Kabbalah is referenced in the Holy Bible = 9/9/9 a number of times. One of those references is Revelations 2:7 = 9. The number 27 comes from 117=27=9. It states.......... to him that overcometh I will give to eat of the TREE OF LIFE, which in the midst of the paradise of God. Because the Holy Bible is based in Jewish tradition so would the Tree of life ( Kabbalah). Kabbalah from a deep mystical way attempts to symbolically explain the unexplainable the relationship between humanity and God. Since the TREE OF LIFE is in the midst of God's paradise one needs to  know the real truth behind the words of the Holy Bible.

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Seeing numbers through mathematics is the first phase of which a person is exposed to numbers. Some are brilliant but stop there and remain spiritually asleep. On the other hand Pythagorus the great mathematician was also a mystic and scientist. He believed that religious and scientific views were in his opinion inseparable and interconnected. He therefore was in the process of becoming enlightened regarding sacred spiritual light codes which I refer to as the codes of today. He studied on Mt Carmel in the area in which Y'shua lived and where the 9th Manifestations of God's tomb and shrine is. The 8th Manifestation of God's tomb and shrine is actually on Mt Carmel. To think that mathematical brilliance is enlightening one remains asleep spiritually because one is not prepared to connect religion and science together.

False religious teaching has inflicted great pain to all humanity, we need to get back to the true nature of God.

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Religion has impacted the human race negatively because of the actions of conservative so called religious leaders which have come and gone over the ages. They self interpreted the messages of All Nine Manifestations of God and in doing so inflicted great great pain and false teachings to all of humanity. The challenge today for every soul is to spiritually break through those negative experiences. People that cannot spiritually break through these false teachings turn to other things like, ascended masters, blue ray star beliefs, Aleister Crowley, occultism, false religious teachings, science and materialism, St Germain, other saints, the pope as a representative of god on earth etc, instead of learning about the truth from the 9 Manifestations of God. Why is this the case because of the hurt caused by false and hypercritical teachings and actions of so called enlightened religious leaders. This has caused people to turn their backs on the true teachings of all great religions of the world and the great representative's of God who founded all these great religions in the true nature of God. Time to heal and be one of the elect for the great transformation and changes presently being experienced by the entire human race at this time in out history. Make the spiritual journey happened in your life for the sake of all humanity. Time is short.


3. How to Calculate SACRED LIGHT CODES

Words and dates can easily be converted into SACRED LIGHT CODES (SLC).

Each letter is given a value from 1 to 9, starting with A=1 to I=9 then J=1 to R=9 and finally S=1 to Z=8.
The value of a word is calculated by adding the sum of its letters. The SLC is either the value of the word(s) over the sum of the value or the ratio of the Value of its vowels and consonants.  Numbers including 11 or any of its multiple cannot be reduced any further.

Examples:

AND GOD SAID LET THERE BE LIGHT = 117 (Sum of the words)
LOVE = 11/7  (Vowels value/Consonants Value)
BE LIGHT = 7 + 29/11 = 711
MICHAEL = 33 (Sum of the letters)
GOD’S GREAT ARCHANGEL MICHAEL = 117 (Sum of the words)


Dates codes can be made either from the whole date number or the short date number. September is month 7 in the Gregorian calendar, 7 & 9 are interchangeable. 11, or multiples of 11,  cannot be further reduced.

Examples:

America was hit on 9/11/01 or 7/11/01 and attacked on Afghanistan on 10/7/01 (You see the light code 171).
London was hit on 7/7/01 (You see the light code 77)
Japan was hit on March 11, 2011 which is 1611 or 711.


4. The SACRED LIGHT CODES of our Time

117,171, 711, 77 are the SACRED LIGHT CODES of our times.

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The source for the sacred light code 117 is from God. In the Holy Bible in Genesis it reads AND GOD SAID LET THERE BE LIGHT = 117. Every thing comes from one source GOD. In the KJV of the Holy Bible Psalm 117 is the center chapter, number 595. Psalm = 71134 or 7117 combined 7117117. the other chapters 594 + 594 = 1188 or 1116 or 117.
The two verses of psalm 117, add to 33, which is the name Michael the 9th Manifestation of God.

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With respect to sacred light codes the Eastern calendar is 12/21/12 is a 9. In the western Mayan calendar it is Baktune 13.0.0.0.0. This gives you the spiritual light code 9x13 = 117. The word East is 9 as in the nine pointed star. The word West is 13 as in the Inca Chicana. Combined they come out to 117.

Some recent events have confirmed the recurrence of those SACRED LIGHT CODES:

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Rare King James Bible found in Wiltshire village church". The article described how a group a residents researching the history of St Laurence Church in Hilmarton, near Calne found one of the original KJV Bible printed in 1611.
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The date of the present earthquake in Japan is March 11, 2011 which is 3/11/2011 which is 16011 which is 1611 the date the KJV was completed. This is the spiritual light code 711.

5. SACRED LIGHT CODES & Michael’s Hoax

Some of you may remember Jackie’s tweet on 2/16/11 (Can you see 1611 ---> SLC=711?). The Date of the Tweet is relevant as is the reference to “The Eagle” and 117AD.  
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JackieJackson5 Jackie Jackson
Really enjoyed the film #TheEagle! It's about a Roman Legion that mysteriously disappeared in 117 AD Britain. Had me at the edge of my seat
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1611 (711) is a very important number for Michael’s hoax! Let’s analyze WHY!
The Dodo was born in 1611 and celebrated his birthday on the 3rd April 2011 (4/3/11 ---> SLC=711).  This was also Paris’ birthday and the day Mohamed Al Fayed unveiled the statue of Michael in front of Fulham Football Club.

But DO YOU KNOW that it was also EASTER Sunday on April 3, 1611, the first of only 13 Easter Sundays to date, since the adoption of the Gregorian Calendar, that have fallen on April 3rd.  You can check the date using the Easter date calculator below:
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Pentecost was on May 22, 1611.  Maybe the countdown clock at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login has got a real meaning after all! The clock seems to be counting down to May 22, 2011!  Pentecost (Whitsunday) is an important celebration of “Light.”
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05/22/11 (5+22/11 = 27/11 = 9/11 ⇔ 7/11) is also a LIGHT day (SLC = 711).

Let’s not forget TII and LIGHT MAN!  Michael wants us to see the LIGHT and WAKE UP before it is too late!

It is a WAKE-UP call to the WORLD!

With L.O.V.E

TheRunningGirl & mjintrigue2012

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This is the first video of the new series from TheMichealProject20 (TMP20): The Legend of Billy Jean.  Additional Videos will be added to this thread as they get uploaded on YouTube.

[youtube:3xsw5ehy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vfAMT06_P4[/youtube:3xsw5ehy]
Description from TMP20: "FAIR IS FAIR! First part of Michael's influence...and possible personal involvement in this classic 1985 drama.
YOU be the JUDGE. ;) "

With L.O.V.E

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TMZ Articles / MJ Family Offended by 'A.I.' Pepsi Moment
« on: March 31, 2011, 04:14:45 PM »
MJ Family Offended by 'A.I.' Pepsi Moment
3/31/2011 11:40 AM PDT by TMZ Staff

UPDATE: Idol contestant James Durbin just tweeted, "For anyone talkin..I said pepsi NOT MJ! I have no disrespect for Michael. I grew up singing his art. I guess youll take it how you want it..." and then followed that up with, "Talkin about MJs passing is too soon. Making a reference to an incident 25 years ago..not too soon. The stab was at pepsi people."

Michael Jackson's family is offended by a comment made on "American Idol" last night by a contestant, who made light of MJ's devastating injury that triggered years of drug abuse.



If you saw the show, James Durbin told Ryan Seacrest after his performance, "I have a lot of hairspray in my hair to keep it from jumping around -- so much so, the one thing I was worried about was having a 'Pepsi moment.'"

The "Pepsi moment" is a reference to the 1984 incident where Michael Jackson's hair caught on fire during the filming of a Pepsi commercial, severely burning his scalp -- an injury that triggered an addiction to prescription drugs that may have ultimately taken his life.



A Jackson family rep tells TMZ, "We were shocked to see this. It's nothing to make light of and everybody should be focusing on who was responsible for Michael's death."

The rep says Joe was particularly upset that producers didn't take the remark out of the West Coast feed.

See also
Director -- Jackson's Burns Weren't My Fault
Fire Capt. Blames Director For Jackson's Burns
MJ's Explosive Pepsi Shoot Video -- 25 Years Later


Tags: Michael Jackson, Celebrity Justice, Conrad Murray, American Idol 2011, American Idol

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The Movie References / TMP - Michael and the Movies - Godspell
« on: February 23, 2011, 04:02:12 PM »
This is the First chapter of a new series by the Michealproject20 focusing exclusively on Michael Jackson's influence and involvement in Hollywood filmmaking during the past 40 years.

This thread specifically focuses on 1973 classic Godspell.

Parts 1 and 2 are posted below, other parts will be posted when available:

[youtube:2ofqboup]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prqOMhodghk[/youtube:2ofqboup]

[youtube:2ofqboup]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oL4Mt3tbwg[/youtube:2ofqboup]

As usual I found the videos very interesting, well made and full of very relevant information. I specifically made note of the following (But there is much more!):

- The film director is called David Greene.  David Greene also directed the 1962 Twilight zone film and the 1975 Count of Monte Cristo films (Refer to V for Vendetta).

- There are many references to Vaudeville Schtick in the Godspell movie.  This is not only a reference to the muppet show (Who have got their own Dodo by the way!) but also to a form of theatrical entertainment played at Vaudeville venues such as the Pantages theatres. (Hollywood tonight video)
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-The History of Bethesda Terrace in Central Park, a place frequently shown in Godspell and the parallels with Michael's This is it.  We know how often the water symbolism comes back in Michael's work.
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Hoax Videos / TMP: The Bashir code Phase VI and VII
« on: December 27, 2010, 05:40:10 AM »
Those videos from The Micheal Project 20 (TMP - Dmovie 27) have been posted over the last week and are simply EXCELLENT. Many of the Themes/Messages I see emerging through those latest videos fully support my personal Hoax beliefs:
- "The Greatest show on Earth" is a Live Movie Michael is directing - Lies to make Truth - There are lessons to be learnt, Art is Resistance.
- Numerology plays a part in the Hoax
- The Parallels between Michael and Jesus Christ
- The Rainbow Children (Age of Aquarius?) and the ONE consciousness - Sacred Divine Symbolism - It is all for Love.
- LMP plays a key role in the Hoax
- ...and a lot more!

Those videos are for all to enjoy with an open Mind... THANK YOU Dmovie27

TMP: The Bashir Code Phase VI

[youtube:3hr4xf13]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f6PNIkZLoA[/youtube:3hr4xf13]
[youtube:3hr4xf13]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZeoh8n7Reo[/youtube:3hr4xf13]
[youtube:3hr4xf13]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCraRIFPreU[/youtube:3hr4xf13]
[youtube:3hr4xf13]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRNUFhPWHJk[/youtube:3hr4xf13]
[youtube:3hr4xf13]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5OSs0lxejs[/youtube:3hr4xf13]
[youtube:3hr4xf13]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpEpQuQgBy0[/youtube:3hr4xf13]

TMP: The Bashir Code Phase VII

[youtube:3hr4xf13]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1evcciBIcE[/youtube:3hr4xf13]

With L.O.V.E

PS: And Dmovie27, I hope you do not mind me posting your videos, I do not know whether you still post on here!  ;)

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Michael Jackson News / New Zealand miners missing after explosion
« on: November 19, 2010, 08:26:38 AM »
As this is the second mining accident to make the front page news in a relatively short period, it is worthwhile keeping an eye on. And more so as the date 19/11/2010 the accident occurred gives us a 33! A number which re-occured numerous times in the Chilean mining accident.

I do hope that the miners will all be successfully rescued whether it is a Hoax or a real accident.  

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New Zealand miners missing after explosion

Ministers said they would put whatever resources were needed into the rescue

Twenty-seven miners are missing after an explosion at a remote coal mine on New Zealand's South Island.

The mayor of Greymouth, 46km (29 miles) south-west of the Pike River mine, said the situation was "pretty serious" but that rescuers were on hand.

However, concerns about the possibility of another explosion have delayed attempts to enter the mineshaft.



Mayor of Grey District Tony Kokshoorn: "At the moment we cannot contact the miners"
There has so far been no contact with the missing miners, whose friends and relatives have gathered at the scene.

Earlier, two workers walked out of the mine with moderate injuries.

'Charred trees'

The explosion at the Pike River mine is believed to have happened at around 1530 local time (0230 GMT).

Police said an electrician had gone into the mine at 1550 to investigate a power failure and 1,500m (4,920ft) into the shaft he discovered the driver of a loader who had been blown off his machine. He then raised the alarm.

They and one other miner later emerged safely from the mine and told officials that three others were also making their way to the surface. However, there has been no contact yet with the second group of miners.

The operator of the mine, Pike River Coal, said that 27 workers remained unaccounted for - 15 of its staff and 12 local contractors.

Its chief executive, Peter Whittall, also denied that a body had been found.

"I've not had any reports of that at all," he said. "We've had two miners who've walked out of the mine and they're currently being spoken to and treated on the surface. We've had no communication with anyone else underground at this stage."

The two miners who emerged earlier had moderate injuries, Mr Whittall said. They are being treated at the hospital in Greymouth.

Mining experts said it could have been a methane gas explosion, a coal dust explosion, or a combination of both.

A TVNZ cameraman who flew over the scene said it looked like there had been a massive blast. There were charred trees, smoke rising over the area, and a cabin had been blown away, he said.

'Worrying time'

Specialist mine rescue crews, ambulances and helicopters rushed to the mine as soon as the blast was reported.

However, the helicopters were later sent back to their bases, when it became apparent that the rescue effort might take days.

Police spokeswoman Barbara Dunn said rescuers were still assessing the safety conditions inside the mine, and making sure the ventilation system was functioning as there was a potential for a build-up of gas.

Until that happened, it was unsafe for rescuers to enter the mine, she added.

The power outage has is believed to be contributing to the ventilation problems, with electricity needed to pump in fresh air.

"They're itching to get in there and start looking for other people and a bit frustrated at having to stand and wait," Ms Dunn told the Stuff news website.

Mr Whittall said every worker at Pike River carried a "safety rescue device at all times including a breathing apparatus with oxygen".

"The men are between 2 and 2.5km inside, but because the mine drills into the side of the mountain they are probably only 120m below the surface," he said.

"The issue for the rescue team will be to ensure that the ventilation underground is adequate for them to go in and find the men."

Mr Whittall added that the men might not be trapped, because they were trained to seek a place of safety and await rescue.

Prime Minister John Key said the government would put whatever resources were needed into the operation, and stood ready to support the miners' families.

"Our hearts and thoughts go out to them at this time. It will be a very worrying time for them," he said.


'Slow recovery'
Greymouth's Mayor, Tony Kokshoorn, told the BBC that the friends and relatives of the missing miners were "hanging on to hope".

"The rescue crews are doing a magnificent job. They are well trained for this and are doing everything they can. But this is going to be a very slow recovery," he said.

"Everybody knows what they are doing, but it's just a patience game. We've got support people everywhere. We've got families starting to arrive at the scene. We're just consoling them at the moment. We're setting up places for them to go.

"We're all hoping that everything will turn out all right, but it's looking pretty serious at the moment," Mr Kokshoorn added.

The Pike River mine, which employs some 150 people, has been operational since 2008 and runs deep under the Paparoa Ranges on the rugged western coast of South Island.

It accesses the Brunner coal seam via a 2.3km (1.4-mile) tunnel under the mountains, which then branches out into sub-areas.

Pike River is on the opposite side of the Paparoa Ranges from the former Strongman mine, where an explosion killed 19 miners in 1967.

Analysis
Neil Bowdler
Science reporter, BBC News
The last mining disaster to occur in New Zealand was back in 1967 at the Strongman mine, close to the mine involved in this latest accident.

Then, a gas explosion killed 19 miners. Officials say better safety standards and more opencast mining have reduced fatalities, although Pike River is one of several functioning underground pits.

Elsewhere, sadly, deaths are still measured in the thousands.

Last year in China, which mines almost half the world's coal, a total of 2,631 miners were killed - about seven a day. But even these terrible figures are an improvement - back in 2002, the death toll almost reached 7,000.

Deaths in Chinese mines make up some 70% of the global total, but other states also have poor records.

In 2008, 201 people were killed in India's coal mines and 64 in Russia's, according to figures collated by the BBC. In the same year in the United States, 53 miners were killed, 35 in Colombia and 30 in Poland.

These deaths and the latest incident are a reminder that coal mining is highly dangerous. The walls and roof of tunnels can fail, and there is the danger of explosions caused by gases such as methane or hydrogen sulphide.

Many of these dangers can be reduced by adequate bracing of the mine, and gas drainage and monitoring equipment.

New Zealand mine disasters

1879: Probable gas explosion kills 34 men and boys at Kaitangata mine

1896: Suspected gas explosion kills 65 men at Brunner mine, near Greymouth

1914: Gas explosion kills 43 men at Ralph's mine in Huntly

1926: Explosion kills nine men at Dobson mine, near Greymouth

1939: Carbon monoxide asphyxiates 11 men at Glen Afton mine in Huntly

1967: Gas explosion kills 19 miners at Strongman mine, near Greymouth


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Leaked & Unreleased Tracks / MJ unreleased Song? - Hydralix
« on: November 10, 2010, 10:24:58 AM »
Another possible unreleased song from MJ (I think it is HIM?):

[youtube:1il7ustl]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBJVi7IuZiI[/youtube:1il7ustl]

I like it, it makes you want to get on the dance floor and... dance!  

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A number of articles have appeared in the media in reference to a request for further testing on various items found in MJ's house made during Tuesday hearing.
Copy of the Associated Press article below.

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APNewsBreak: Urgent request for Jackson tests
(AP) – 15 hours ago
LOS ANGELES (AP) — Defense lawyers are seeking urgent tests of two syringes and an IV bag found in Michael Jackson's mansion, arguing that the evidence in the manslaughter case against the singer's doctor is drying up and deteriorating.
According to a transcript of a 40-minute closed session with a judge obtained Wednesday by The Associated Press, attorneys for Dr. Conrad Murray said liquids in one of the syringes had already dried up and was now "salt."
Quantities of substances in the syringes and IV bag could be crucial to explaining how the singer died, the lawyers said at the Tuesday hearing.
Murray has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter. Authorities contend he administered a lethal dose of sedatives, including the anesthetic propofol, to Jackson in the bedroom of his rented mansion in June 2009.
Officials tested what was in the items and found traces of propofol and lidocaine, according to the transcript. But the amounts of the substances were not determined, and defense attorneys contend that may be significant in the case expected to hinge on technical and scientific data.
Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor declined to order testing on the substances Tuesday because he wanted defense attorneys to confer further with prosecutors.
The judge might order the testing late next week if the two sides can agree on how it will be conducted.
"I want to act as quickly as we can," Pastor told the attorneys.
Still, defense attorney Ed Chernoff struck an urgent tone, telling the judge, "We are doing it because the house is on fire. We need a hose."
Chernoff said substances in one broken syringe found at the mansion had dried up since June 2009, when Pastor ordered the evidence preserved. The tests sought by Murray's attorneys will destroy the samples and can only be performed once.
Prosecutor David Walgren questioned why defense attorneys had not raised the issue sooner.
"There are very technical, complex issues," he told the judge, adding he thought an agreement on the testing could eventually be reached.
Defense attorney J. Michael Flanagan told the judge his efforts to get the substances tested has been delayed because an expert in the Los Angeles County coroner's office had been on a lengthy vacation. He argued the tests should have been done after Jackson's death.
"It hasn't been done yet," Flanagan said. "It should have been done a year ago."
Tissue samples in Jackson's body were tested for levels of various substances and led to the coroner's determination that the pop singer died in part from acute propofol intoxication.
The anesthetic is supposed to be administered in hospital settings, but Murray told investigators he had been providing it to Jackson as a sleep aide and had been trying to wean him off the drug.
Chernoff has said the doctor did not give Jackson anything that should have killed him.
The tests are likely to be conducted by the coroner's office. A phone message left for coroner's Assistant Chief Ed Winter was not immediately returned.
Flanagan said the agency told him the makeup of the liquids in the syringes and IV bag were not tested because the values were not necessary to establish the cause of Jackson's death.
Flanagan said in the closed session that the results of the tests "would be very helpful information perhaps for both sides."
Chernoff told the judge results of the testing, which could take a month or more to complete, would not be used during a preliminary hearing scheduled to begin Jan. 4.
Prosecutors will lay out some of their evidence during the hearing, and Pastor will then decide whether there is enough evidence to order Murray to stand trial.
AP Special Correspondent Linda Deutsch contributed to this report.

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