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TIAI ~ 2010 / TIAI August 13
« on: August 12, 2010, 11:38:03 PM »
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Whilst trying to find some more connections between Elvis and MJ to post on the Facebook Page, I discovered that Michael's Holmby Hills mansion where he "died" is literally a few steps away from Elvis's last Beverly Hills home and where Lisa Marie grew up.

I don't know how big this area is and I'm sure that a lot of stars live or have lived in Holmby Hills, and it's probably not hoax related, but this is still another uncanny coincidence!

[youtube:1huddh49]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzRZ6K_qPK0[/youtube:1huddh49]

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Whilst trying to find some more connections between Elvis and MJ to post on the Facebook Page, I discovered that Michael's Holmby Hills mansion where he "died" is literally a few steps away from Elvis's last Beverly Hills home and where Lisa Marie grew up.

I don't know how big this area is and I'm sure that a lot of stars live or have lived in Holmby Hills, and it's probably not hoax related, but this is still another uncanny coincidence!

[youtube:2kmxvxj0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzRZ6K_qPK0[/youtube:2kmxvxj0]

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I know this has probably been posted in other threads somewhere but I think it deserves one of its own.

Sebastian Coe, a former athlete and politician from the UK, was the head of the London Bid to host the 2012 Summer Olympics and, after the International Olympic Committee awarded the games to London, became the chairman of the London Organising Committee for the Olympic Games (LOCOG).

Sebastian Coe is also a committed Zionist!

This is the LOCOG website link showing the Official Logo and the Mascot Toys they are selling!!! :?

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Now watch this YouTube video:

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and this one:

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Ian Crane tours the UK giving talks on The Agenda of the New World Order. He has also published some books and videos. I have bought any yet but I think I will.  He used to be an oil company executive and went on to be the chairman of the UK 9/11 Truth Movement. This is a link to his website: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login…….. and a brief synopsis of one of his talks.........

…………... Ian criticized Jerry E Smith’s view of the oil fires in Iraq because he was actually there and said he saw the bodies of Iraqi soldiers around the fires. They’d been defending the well-heads and it was US Special Forces who lit those fires! He also disagreed with Jerry’s view on chemtrails saying that there’s no way they could possibly be natural phenomena……….. The Elite he talks about believe they are the lost biblical tribe of Ephraim and that it is their destiny to create the New World Order, turning London into the New Jerusalem mentioned at the end of the Book of Revelations. They’ve used US forces in Iraq to destroy the antiquities that reveal their true origins. The London Olympics in 2012 is going to be a massive ritual for them and the Olympic logo, designed by the former British athlete and Zionist, Sebastian Coe, can be redrawn to spell the word “ZION”. The year 2012 is mentioned in many prophecies and predictions as a year of change and revolution. Could the Illuminati try to pull off something major in that year? The Report from Iron Mountain revealed that they are planning to fake an alien invasion, Independence Day-style.  :shock: This was confirmed by Dr Carol Rosin of the Disclosure Project when she interviewed Werner von Braun in 1977. Will 2012 be the year they decide to do it?  

(I don’t know who Dr Carol Rosin or Werner von Braun are, I need to check this out.)

Many people are dismissing all this as coincidence!!! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

TIME TO WAKE UP........!!!!

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Michael Jackson News / ElvisandMJ Facebook Page
« on: July 31, 2010, 10:47:52 PM »
I've started an ElvisAndMJ Facebook Page (with Mo and Souza's approval!)

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Please support it by clicking the "like" button, "sharing" some of the links or even posting something about it on your page so that all your friends and family see it.

I don't use Facebook a lot but, between them, my children have over 1,000 friends. If I can persuade them to post a link to the ElvisAndMJ page, we will possibly be gaining the attention of 1,000 new people and all their friends and family....from a start of just 4.
If we all do the same, I'm hoping this will have a huge ripple effect......50 million people around the world actively use Facebook!!!

Please do this for Michael. Remember the objective is to make people aware of the hoax, get them to come to this site and subsequently aware of Michael's message.

In light of TS's recent re-directs I don't think we have a lot of time left. Let's make another HUGE effort to gain people's attention, even if it's only whilst we are waiting for the media to report or publish something (I live in hope!).

Don't have a Facebook account? Make one, it's quick and easy. Don't worry about being ridiculed, think of what Michael had to endure!!

I would appreciate any suggestions about improving the content of the page or ideas on how to increase its visibility. I'm not very technical and I did this in a hurry yesterday. I'll be adding more information today, about both Elvis and MJ with lots of links to this site and ElvisandMj.com.

Finally, please let's not make this another discussion thread about the media and ElviaAndMJ.....we already have a thread for that!

Much L.O.V.E.

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General Hoax Talk / 3 Questions....
« on: July 18, 2010, 08:40:21 AM »
Scenario....my hubby brought me my cup of tea this morning (he's a sweetie)
I asked him "what are you doing?"
"watching the golf....what are you doing?"
"reading the Michael Jackson Death Hoax forum" (which he knows I do EVERY morning on my iphone whilst having my cuppa)
"tell me about it...."
 :shock: OMG. I usually get a grunt. I wasn't expecting that and I didn't know what to say, I was lost for words.
I then realised that there is sooooo much information and so many theories that I am still trying to absorb, I am not
prepared for the questions of a non-believer.
So, here goes.....what would your answers to these 3 questions be? (short, clear and concise answers please).

1) Why did Michael Jackson fake his death?

2) Does he have a message, if so, what is it?

3) How does faking his death help to convey that message?

I'm still not sure how to answer these questions and I would be very interested to know how everyone else on this forum would.....

L.O.V.E.

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Just watched a talk by Ian R Crane on Edge TV, a Sky Channel in the UK.
THIS GUY IS AMAZING.......the following are some reviews on his talks held around the UK.

Reviews

Occult 9/11 - Manchester - 23rd March 2007 - Report

Two hours and fifteen minutes is a long time to hold an audience but that is exactly what Ian Crane managed to achieve at the Friends Meeting House in Manchester last Friday evening. He started by asking if anyone in the room still believed the official account of 9/11. In an audience of well over a hundred, not a single hand was raised; which is surely a tribute to the efforts of the Manchester 9/11 group.

For me, the highlights of the evening were:

· The Prophesies of St Malachy (Benedict being the penultimate Pope).
· The Masonic symbolism in the layout of London & Washington.
· Secret Society origins, beliefs & hierarchies
· The prospective significance of 2012 to the NWO (Mind-blowing stuff!)
· Bohemian Grove, Moloch & Human Sacrifice (Battlefield casualties).
· Prince Harry to be sacrificed in Iraq (not being of pure bloodline).
· TV primers before all major incidents (9/11, 7/7, etc)
· Reagan’s ‘Alien Invasion’ address to UN in 1988 (great footage).
· The coming fake Alien Invasion (excellent clip from the Independence Day movie).
· 9/11 as a catalyst for evolutionary progression (Kundalini Rising).

The way Ian joins the dots puts the events of 9/11, 7/7, etc into a whole new context. If he is even partly right about the historical significance of 2012, we had better take note that the global elite are working to an increasingly tight timescale!

What a pity that the Caretaker was trying to close up the premises almost immediately Ian finished his marathon session, leaving no time at all for questions. Two and a quarter hours sounds a long time but it actually felt as though Ian had been speaking for a little over an hour, which is a credit to the quality of his presentation. My recommendation is to streamline some of the introductory stuff on the Sumerian mythology; perhaps even leaving it out completely and starting at the section on The Knights Templar? Just a thought.

In the pub afterwards, I spoke with people who had travelled quite some way to hear this talk and everyone agreed he needs to write a book. What about it Ian? By the way, loved the heckler. The first time I’ve seen a heckler who was actually expressing his agreement with the speaker!

This is a talk with balls, loaded with essential content for anyone with real interest and concern as to where the agenda of the Zionist, Masonic, Jesuit driven NWO is really heading.

Original report


The 9/11 - 7/7 Connection - Ipswich - January 2007 - Report

Last night Ian Crane gave a brilliant talk to the Ipswich group! Ian's depth of knowledge is truly breathtaking and his delivery is both captivating and informative. I feel that the collective cogs of the Ipswich group are now fully set in motion. More seeds sowns and yet another power boost to the 911 truth collective.

I thoroughly recommend anyone who has not seen Ian's presentation(s) to do so. Any groups who are looking for someone to come and speak at an event need look no further. In the maze that is 911 & 7/7 and beyond, Ian's unique range of knowledge serves as a great direction finder. If you are reading this and are seriously looking for help at getting your group focused, get him on the case, the man is a living breathing 911 truth machine. When he's in full flow watch out - cause the truth is gonna get ya!

Unfortunately there was not enough time in one evening to 'access all areas' of his research so we look forward to having him back in the very near future.

Ian spoke in Norwich the night before, and the early reports from Dale, the Norwich co-ordinator, were that the meeting was very well attended and went on late into the night and enjoyed by all.

My thanks go to all who helped make the event a success and a special thank you to Ian for kindly coming along.

Original Report


9/11: Up Close & Personal - Lewes - Sept 5th 2006 - Report

I took a trip down to Lewes last night to see the Chairman of the 9/11 Truth Campaign give a talk. The Lewes group put on a great show; something like 200 people, most looking absolutely gob-smacked at what Ian Crane was presenting. The slide show he has put together is f*"%ing amazing. I can't believe how much he got through in an hour and a half. Perhaps a bit too much for one or two in the audience who definitely had their world rocked. His handling of the Q&A was brilliant; although he almost got into a bit of hot water when he mentioned freemasonry in the US but he came back well, demonstrating a real depth of knowledge. I got back home and checked out a few things that Ian talked about and everything checked out.

Why isn't this bloke giving this talk in every town in the country?


CHECK OUT HIS WEBSITE  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

You don't have to buy the DVD's or CD's, just read the Newsletters and Latest News updates to start with.

EDUCATE YOURSELF!!!!!!!

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Michael Jackson News / SUPPORT MICHAEL - MAKE THAT CHANGE - L.O.V.E.
« on: February 23, 2010, 04:36:12 AM »
SO MUCH HATE
I used to check YouTube every day for new death hoax videos about Michael to try and make sense of the all the information, clues, theories, conspiracies etc. I inevitably also ended up watching a lot of stuff not connected with the death hoax as I just love watching Michael perform and I also enjoy his interviews.  I also usually read some of the comments. I was astounded and horrified at the number of arguments not to mention hate and abuse that crop up between so called MJ 'fans'.

Take a look at this (a lovely interview btw):
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Now read some of the comments!! And they are not all from MJ haters. A lot of the abuse comes from fans defending MJ but he would be very saddened by this. I hope he doesn't read this stuff.

DEATH HOAX & CLUES
There is no question in my mind that MJ  is still alive, I am a true beLIEver. So many clues were left for us....911 call, ambulance pics, the Memorial, the Burial, This Is It, the movie etc. etc.!!! Why are you still analysing these clues 8 months on? Have some FAITH. The clues are there, they are not strange coincidences or figments of your imagination, they are real. They are there to let us know that Michael is still here. Whatever the reason for Michael's disappearance, and I am sure it is something huge that will shock us all, he had to let us know that he is still here because HE LOVES US.

WHY???
This thread is in the Announcements at the top of the Fourm page. Please look at it again:
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Although I agree with this to a certain extent, (enough analysis of clues, enough videos, enough speculation on the return - the BAM) I am not sure that the focus should be on WHY he had to fake his death. You could speculate forever and still not get to the real reason. PATIENCE! When Michael returns, and he will, all will be revealed. THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL.  However, we need to help him. His return will be difficult.

MESSAGE
I believe that Michael is using this opportunity to spread his message. Firstly, not to judge and condemn and secondly, to LOVE each other and the planet, our home.  
The focus on the Murray case is so important because it is a test to see how much has been learned. So far, we have FAILED. How have we failed?

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People, including MJ fans and believers, are STILL condemning Dr Murray! There is no death, no Murray, no case!
LOOK, LISTEN, LEARN!

Army of L.O.V.E! What did this mean...how could we join....what should we do???? I was very confused about this in the beginning. Now it's very clear. Simply love each other, spread the love by encouraging others. Don't be shy, don't be afraid. ELIMINATE the HATE.

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MAKE THAT CHANGE
Basically, what I am trying to convey here is that if you love Michael, help him, give him your support. He loves you, that is clear. Return his love by showing him that you have understood his message. I'm not saying stop following the hoax but don't spend too much time analysing and investigating things that aren't important anymore. Instead, use that time to let Michael know what is important... that you have understood his message and you are giving him your LOVE and support by acting out his message.
Use this thread to let him and each other know what you have done to MAKE THAT CHANGE since the hoax. It doesn't matter how small. Inspire others and let's see this ARMY grow!!!

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE AS A RESULT OF THE DEATH HOAX AND MICHAEL'S MESSAGE OF L.O.V.E.????

Here goes:
My teenage son comes in from school every day, goes to the fridge to pick up a snack, then goes up to his room???!!! Sounds familiar? Yesterday, I stopped him in his tracks, gave him a BIG hug and told him I loved him. Not something we tend to do spontaneously. He was slightly shocked and embarrassed but he said 'I love you too Mum". It felt good!

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TIAI ~ 2010 / TIAI February 18
« on: February 18, 2010, 05:42:13 AM »
New redirect February 18
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When are we going to learn to listen to or see what is being reported in the media?
In the redirect on February 17 (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login) the following words were used several times in the news report:
...unnamed sources
...possibility
...apparently
...suggestions
...could be
...unconfirmed
...potentially
...probably

Instead what we hear is ...Dr Conrad Murray gave Michael Jackson Propofol which killed him!

If we, as Michael Jackson fans on a forum investigating his death hoax, can't see what's happening, how can we expect the world to recognise that we are brain washed by the media?

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Michael Jackson News / NEW REDIRECT FROM TIAI
« on: February 16, 2010, 05:48:53 AM »
Hi, I'm new here, I've been reading the forum for a while but this is my first posting.

Has anyone seen the new redirect from TIAI today? It's to a Youtube video made my mjalive999.
It brought to mind the posting made by Bec on 7 Feb and I think it's a VERY IMPORTANT message.

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This was Bec's posting:
It's VERY IMPORTANT that Murray be charged by the DA

Postby bec » Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:34 pm


Quote from: "bec"
the murray question

has long bothered me, i think we talked about this before, like theres something we arent getting about murray, he stands for something, his role is important, else why have him? why did michael NEED a doctor or anyone at all to be involved in this hoax?

well i figured it out, with all the media circus this weekend, i figured it out

murray IS michael… not physically but metaphorically

murray is a professional black man fallen from grace, being accused of a horrible crime, outrageous allegations, his private and personal life paraded before the cameras on the evening news for all to see and mock

his child support issues, his debt, his wives and ex’s and girlfriend, hes portrayed as incompetant (leaving the room while michael was under to talk to his girlfriend, not calling 911, one armed cpr, etc) the media has convicted him of a crime and proclaimed him guilty before the police even sealed the “crime scene”

remember, the police didnt consider it a crime scene until the media did, days later, family goes in and out etc

meanwhile the tabloids have targeted murray and proclaimed him michael’s killer

murrays friends and patients and supporters are small voices in the sea of media bias saying wait, no, its not true, hes a holistic doctor, he doesnt perscribe drugs, he uses vitamens and herbs and holistic approaches

the media calls him dr death and dr feel good, drugs drugs drugs, shadey doc, did michael’s bidding, provided powerful drugs at will

so, hes painted as something he is not, they sway perception and turn this man into a monster

meanwhile, the LAPD and now the DA are FOLLOWING the media's lead… and feel pressure to bring a case, the MEDIA are the ones who say manslaughter, murder, charges, hes guilty, the feds have ALWAYS followed the media in this case

so, just like in 2005, when, thanks to the FBI files, we now have proof in black and white that the DA had ZERO evidence on michael and conspired to create a case on false pretence, to try and bring him down, NOW we have murray

same situation

i think
i think the LAPD and the DA are fighting over this because one entity wants to bring charges that dont exist, because lord knows theres no body and no real evidence at all, and the other doesnt

but they feel pressure, pressure from the MEDIA to bring charges on this guy

so

one entity wants to drop it because they know theres no evidence, shit there isnt even a body, really, not that anyone has really seen, no autopsy, no toxicology, and the other entity wants to simply CREATE a case, create evidence, create charges, JUST to satisfy MEDIA pressure

and i think THIS is EXACTLY what michael KNEW would happen

and i think michael is BETTING that corruption wins out over truth

and michael is BETTING that they will bring charges, EVEN WITHOUT A DEAD PERSON

which, constitutes FRAUD

and PROVES that the entire system is, and i quote michael, “jacked”

tada

this is why he isnt back yet

this is why chernoff keeps suggesting manslaughter, chernoff has been injecting manslaughter into the media rhetoric for months

so, betcha michaels right, corruption WILL win and murray WILL be charged, in a fake case that the DA invented JUST to appease the media, who has been cllammering for this guys head on a stick since 6-25

and then, oh heres the best part

ok, so theres been some speculation that michael may face litigation for profitting from this, TII, record sales, etc right?

THIS is why michael has kept his nose so clean with 1001 legal loopholes with the DC and the life insurance and paying for the memorial and payng for the burial, security and public safety and the no public viewing and the no RIP or date of death in TII and the legal disclaimer in TII “for entertainment only” etc etc etc

they got NOTHING on him , nothing
and he will have EVERYTHING on them after they charge murray
he cant come back until they charge murray
they MUST charge murray
they MUST
thats why chernoff has such a big mouth
manslaughter manslaughter, he will be charged with manslaughter

this is why he isnt back yet
this is why he didnt come back in october
this is why he didnt come back on mlk day
this is why he didnt come back at the grammys
this is why the revocation of the will was postponed
this is why

Lastly…

the You Tube video to Murray’s friends and supporters was our first clue. Some hoaxers speculated that Murray was actually Michael, considering the similarity in words and tone to Michael’s 2005 video, and I bet this pleased Michael very much. We didn’t quite… get it back then though. Not quite. Almost, but not quite.

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