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Framed for Murder?
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
Published: December 8, 2010

“California may be about to execute an innocent man.”

That’s the view of five federal judges in a case involving Kevin Cooper, a black man in California who faces lethal injection next year for supposedly murdering a white family. The judges argue compellingly that he was framed by police.

Mr. Cooper’s impending execution is so outrageous that it has produced a mutiny among these federal circuit court judges, distinguished jurists just one notch below the United States Supreme Court. But the judicial process has run out for Mr. Cooper. Now it’s up to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to decide whether to commute Mr. Cooper’s sentence before leaving office.

This case, an illuminating window into the pitfalls of capital punishment, dates to a horrific quadruple-murder in June 1983. Doug and Peggy Ryen were stabbed to death in their house, along with their 10-year-old daughter and an 11-year-old houseguest. The Ryens’ 8-year-old son, Josh, was left for dead but survived. They were all white.

Josh initially told investigators that the crime had been committed by three people, all white, although by the trial he suggested that he had seen just one person with an Afro. The first version made sense because the weapons included a hatchet, an ice pick and one or two knives. Could one intruder juggling several weapons overpower five victims, including a 200-pound former Marine like Doug Ryen, who also had a loaded rifle nearby?

But the police learned that Mr. Cooper had walked away from the minimum security prison where he was serving a burglary sentence and had hidden in an empty home 125 yards away from the crime scene. The police decided that he had committed the crime alone.

William A. Fletcher, a federal circuit judge, explained his view of what happens in such cases in a law school lecture at Gonzaga University, in which he added that Mr. Cooper is “probably” innocent: “The police are under heavy pressure to solve a high-profile crime. They know, or think they know, who did the crime. And they plant evidence to help their case along.”

Judge Fletcher wrote an extraordinary judicial opinion — more than 100 pages when it was released — dissenting from the refusal of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit to rehear the case. The opinion is a 21st-century version of Émile Zola’s famous “J’Accuse.”

Mr. Fletcher, a well-respected judge and former law professor, was joined in his “J’Accuse” by four other circuit judges. Six more wrote their own dissents calling for the full Ninth Circuit to rehear the case. But they fell just short of the votes needed for rehearing.

Judge Fletcher laid out countless anomalies in the case. Mr. Cooper’s blood showed up on a beige T-shirt apparently left by a murderer near the scene, but that blood turned out to have a preservative in it — the kind of preservative used by police when they keep blood in test tubes.

Then a forensic scientist found that a sample from the test tube of Mr. Cooper’s blood held by police actually contained blood from more than one person. That leads Mr. Cooper’s defense team and Judge Fletcher to believe that someone removed blood and then filled the tube back to the top with someone else’s blood.

The police also ignored other suspects. A woman and her sister told police that a housemate, a convicted murderer who had completed his sentence, had shown up with several other people late on the night of the murders, wearing blood-spattered overalls and driving a station wagon similar to the one stolen from the murdered family.

They said that the man was no longer wearing the beige T-shirt he had on earlier in the evening — the same kind as the one found near the scene. And his hatchet, which resembled the one found near the bodies, was missing from his tool area. The account was supported by a prison confession and by witnesses who said they saw a similar group in blood-spattered clothes in a nearby bar that night. The women gave the bloody overalls to the police for testing, but the police, by now focused on Mr. Cooper, threw the overalls in the trash.

This case is a travesty. It underscores the central pitfall of capital punishment: no system is fail-safe. How can we be about to execute a man when even some of America’s leading judges believe he has been framed?

Lanny Davis, who was the White House counsel for President Bill Clinton, is representing Mr. Cooper pro bono. He laments: “The media and the bar have gone deaf and silent on Kevin Cooper. My simple theory: heinous brutal murder of white family and black convict. Simple as that.”

That’s a disgrace that threatens not only the life of one man, but the honor of our judicial system. Governor Schwarzenegger, are you listening?

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US Sued by Harvard Law Students Over Airport Scans, Pat-Downs
Thursday, 02 Dec 2010 07:33 AM

The U.S. government was sued in federal court in Boston by two Harvard University law students who claim their constitutional rights were violated by “nude body scanners” and “enhanced pat-downs” at airports.

Jeffrey Redfern, 27, and Anant Pradhan, 23, who are members of the law school’s class of 2012, said the security measures taken at airports are “intrusive” and violate the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, according to their complaint filed Nov. 29.

The students, who said they are regular travelers who use Boston’s Logan International Airport, seek a declaration that mandatory screening using the enhanced measures is unconstitutional and a ban on the techniques “without reasonable suspicion or probable cause.”

More than 400 body scanners, which are designed to detect non-metallic weapons beneath clothing, have been installed in at least 70 U.S. airports. Fewer than 50 were in use a year ago, the Transportation Security Administration has said.

The TSA has accelerated adoption of the scanners since a Northwest Airlines passenger tried to blow up a flight to Detroit on Dec. 25 by igniting explosives in his underpants. The bomb failed to fully detonate.

The scanners in use at airports produce images of the nude body. Travelers who don’t want their bodies scanned can receive an “enhanced pat-down” by airport security staff.

Pradhan, traveling from Boston to Dallas on Nov. 24, and Redfern, flying to Washington from Logan on Nov. 17, opted out of the scanners and were given pat-downs, according to the complaint.

‘Genitals and Buttocks’

“Plaintiffs found the process highly intrusive, including touching, better described as prodding and lifting of the genitals and buttocks,” they said in the suit.

Named as defendants were Janet Napolitano, Secretary of Homeland Security, and John Pistole, administrator of the TSA.

Amy Kudwa, a spokeswoman for the Department of Homeland Security, declined to comment and referred calls to the TSA. Sterling Payne, a spokeswoman for the TSA, declined to comment on pending litigation.

“I don’t think Anant and I want to enter the public fray any more than we have to --especially during finals period,” Redfern said yesterday in an e-mail.

“We honestly don’t have much to say that would be of general interest,” he said. “So much has been said about this issue in the last month, and while we think we have some solid legal theories, they would be terribly boring to anyone but a lawyer.”

The case is Redfern v. Napolitano, 10-cv-12048, U.S. District Court, District of Massachusetts (Boston).

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The Short Films & Music Videos / They Don't Care About Us (Brazil)
« on: December 04, 2010, 04:03:56 PM »
I know there's a different thread with the original (prison) version, but I thought I'd make another thread with this version:

[youtube:1hbji71o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwQFGZ0bFbs[/youtube:1hbji71o]

I noticed the word "Olodum" on Michael's T-shirt and decided to look into it. Found out it's a cultural group in Brazil, and Michael adapted his song to fit their style of drumming.
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It seems that Michael was basically honoring / advertising them in his video. So beautiful!  

Here's more info on the song:
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Michael's Business & Alleged Debt / MJ's wealth, Forbes etc.
« on: November 23, 2010, 08:07:16 PM »
I had this thought that I've never seen MJ on a Forbes List of Billionaires (let me know if you have!), and I think he must have been worth over $1 billion at some points in his life, if not always.  (MJ even hinted at that in the Bashir documentary.)  So I wonder why it's so hard to get a picture of his true net worth and/or finances and/or investments, and why he's never been said to be worth over $1 bn.  Could it be that MJ wanted to keep his real wealth a secret, and possibly even encouraged speculation?

According to a 2010 Forbes List Oprah has a net worth of $2.4 bn and is the richest black person in the world.  Now how can MJ possibly be worth less than $1 bn?  He owns not just 50% of the Sony/ATV catalog, but also publishing rights to his own music - which could be called "the MJ catalog" (which should be worth over $1 bn) and various businesses... I feel that we don't even know all the holdings and investments MJ might have!

Here's a list of black billionaires:
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Here's a 2003 Forbes article that's not favorable to MJ and says nothing about MJ's publishing rights to his music:
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What do you think?

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Debbie Rowe / Debbie Rowe vs. LMP
« on: November 21, 2010, 11:34:24 AM »
I'm not sure where to place this, and if it's been discussed feel free to lock this thread.
I just re-watched the "Living with Michael Jackson" (Footage You Were Never Meant To See) and noticed that Debbie Rowe said that the discussion with MJ about kids occurred after he'd already separated from Lisa Marie.  She said that he was upset after the marriage collapsed, because "he'd really wanted to be a dad".  You can see this from 3:55 onward in the video.

Now I heard/saw/read (don't recall where) that LMP claimed that MJ pretty much told her, while they were still together, that if she didn't want to have his kids then Debbie would... which I always had trouble believing.  Well, according to Debbie it isn't true.

I personally believe Debbie, since I don't see why she'd lie - while I can see why LMP would lie (and she seems to have lied about other things).  Which version do you guys believe?  

[youtube:35rbtplk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69X14gliiZg[/youtube:35rbtplk]

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Other Odd Things / "BACK" is not a HOAX believer?
« on: November 18, 2010, 03:55:42 PM »
So "BACK" is this person who joined the MJJC forum in April 2005 and made some very interesting posts, many of them strongly defending Katherine Jackson, which overall make many of us believe that he's either MJ or else a real insider.  Well, looking at some of his posts recently I realized that he doesn't seem to believe in the hoax... How can we explain this?  If MJ is alive, shouldn't "BACK" know this?

I don't know how to attach BACK's posts in a way that you can view them, so I'll just use the links from Bec's blog (haha, using Bec's blog again):

On 25-10-2009 BACK wrote:
"Conrad Mur[derer] (the taker of life)"
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On 22-06-2010 BACK wrote, referring to Katherine:
"After losing a Son nearly a year ago, you're reminded of just how fragile any element of life can be."
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BACK is very no-nonsense in general, and I don't get the sense he was kidding when calling Murray a murderer... I'm puzzled.  :?:

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Other Odd Things / Pepsi incident = HOAX, CONSPIRACY, (UN)LUCK?
« on: November 17, 2010, 04:33:09 PM »
To give credit where it’s due, I got the idea to investigate this after reading a post made by Bec in his blog: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
(Bec suggests the Pepsi incident might have been a hoax.)

I don’t know if the Pepsi incident was a hoax or a simple accident or a conspiracy… I simply decided to do some investigating and present you with the findings.  I will note some of the things I find interesting - though, of course, you may notice other things as well.  You can draw your own conclusions and form your own opinions.

This will be a long post - I’m trying to make it worth your time.  :D

Here’s what I will discuss:

PART 1: The tape
PART 2: The People magazine article, dated 13 Feb. 1984
PART 3: The BBC report from 27 Jan. 1984
PART 4: Michael’s looks at the 1984 Grammy Awards (held on 28 Feb.)
PART 5: The nurse who looked after Michael (Kathy McGrath)
PART 6; Burns info and treatment
PART 7: Michael’s own statements about the incident, made in his book “Moonwalk”

PART 1: The tape

Here’s the video from the shooting of the Pepsi commercial (said to have occurred on 27 Jan. 1984).  The footage, which some believe to have been owned by Michael Jackson only, surfaced, for the very first time, in July 2009.  (In all fairness, I think there’s a high chance that Pepsi would also have the footage.  But would Pepsi want to release it?!  I doubt it.)  

[youtube:y1bogass]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqfJZGUNo5A[/youtube:y1bogass]

(Notice Michael was wearing the glittery glove at the time this happened.)

None of the publications which obtained and published the footage explained where it came from, and many or most of them stated that the accident triggered Michael’s (alleged) addiction to prescription drugs/painkillers.
See, for instance, here:
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PART 2: The People magazine article (13 Feb. 1984)

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THRILLER CHILLER
By Carl Arlington
Pop Sensation Michael Jackson Survives a Fiery Brush with Serious Injury and Plans a Memoir with Jackie O

Michael Jackson had been shot. That was the first reaction of those nearby when he grabbed the back of his head and screamed. It was not a bullet wound that made him scream, though it was almost as bad: Jackson's head was on fire.

This live thriller unfolded last week before thousands of stunned fans at Los Angeles' Shrine Auditorium, where Michael, 25, and his musical brothers were filming a Pepsi commercial. It happened during one of the last scenes after four hectic days of shooting under the direction of video wizard Bob Giraldi. Giraldi had ordered another take of the flashy gala opening sequence. Amid brilliant illumination, Michael appeared at the top of a stairway and began his dazzling dancing descent to the floor, where the remaining Jacksons were lined up.

About halfway down, he felt something hot but figured it was just the klieg lights. Pyrotechnical special effects were flashing around him as he pirouetted to a fizzy version of Billie Jean. Suddenly there was a jolt of pain and he cried out. The first to respond was Miko Brando, 22, Marlon's son and a Jackson security aide. "I tore out, hugged him, tackled him and ran my hands through his hair," reports Brando, who burned his own fingers in the process. Within seconds the fire was extinguished and Michael was surrounded by a crowd of bodyguards, Jacksons and technicians. A quick-thinking fan grabbed a handful of ice, borrowed a T-shirt to make a cold compress and applied it to the wound. A few minutes later paramedics arrived and whisked Michael away to the emergency room at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center.

The accident occurred just after 6 p.m. and early bulletins on the local news reported that Jackson had been "severely burned and was in serious condition." In fact, thanks to the emergency ice treatment, he was alert enough to tell the ambulance attendants that he wanted to keep his trademark jeweled glove on when he was wheeled into the hospital. The medical staff checked his vital signs and inspected the wound. The fire had scorched a palm-sized second-degree burn on his crown which surrounded a third-degree burn about the size of the hole in a 45-rpm record. An antiseptic cream (silver sulfadiazine) was applied, and Jackson was offered a painkiller, which he at first refused because of his disdain for narcotics. He later accepted an analgesic.

Word of the accident quickly reached Dr. Steven Hoefflin, Jackson's personal physician and plastic surgeon, who rushed to Cedars-Sinai. "It was quite a shock for Michael, and when I got there he was in a daze," reports Hoefflin. "After I examined him and told him he would be fine, he felt a lot better." Hoefflin, who once cosmetically reshaped Jackson's nose, decided to move his famous patient across town for treatment at the Burn Center of the Brotman Medical Center in Culver City. Accompanied by his parents, his brother Randy, two bodyguards and Hoefflin, Michael arrived at about 8:15 p.m. Once settled in room 3307, he became the patient of nurse Kathy McGrath, 29, who recalls that "he was still pretty shaken up and cold, so we put about five blankets on him."

Soon fans began congregating at the hospital and crowding into the emergency room waiting area. Switch-boards were flooded with calls and six staff volunteers handled the jammed phone lines. Security throughout the hospital was beefed up and a guard placed at every entrance to the burn unit. "Practically everybody who works in the hospital found some excuse to visit the floor," says Burn Center supervisor Pat Lavalas.

Michael, meanwhile, was making a fast recovery. Within a few hours he was asking for a videotape player. Because staffers did not have the key to the cabinet where the hospital video equipment was kept, they broke the padlock to get the machine and found an assortment of about 10 tapes for Jackson. He selected Close Encounters of the Third Kind, directed by his friend Steven Spielberg, and stayed awake watching it until 1 a.m. Then, after being given a sleeping pill, he had a restful night.

Michael awoke to a breakfast of fruit and juice and a tidal wave of messages from friends and fans. Diana Ross called. So did Liza Minnelli. Jackson's favorite among the hundreds of telegrams was one from a girl that said, "I heard you were hot, Michael, but this is ridiculous."

By the time Hoefflin arrived the next day, Jackson had watched American Bandstand on TV and, according to one nurse, "was bebopping in bed while the doctors examined him."

Instead of a typical hospital gown, he had adorned himself in a turquoise scrub outfit. The nurses also fashioned a head bandage that could be camouflaged with a macramé hat. "You're going to start a new wave here in 1984—the net look," nurse Jan Virgil told Michael. "He laughed and said he wanted to look French."

Jackson had been to the Burn Center previously, visiting patients there on two occasions. Only last month, in fact, Jackson called on Keith Perry, a 23-year-old mechanic who had suffered third-degree burns on 95 percent of his body. Perry had just undergone his 14th operation when Michael arrived and was placed in an adjoining room. Another severely burned patient with whom he had been in frequent contact was 41-year-old seamstress Bessie Henderson. "Bessie had gone through many operations and was very depressed," reports Hoefflin, who is also her plastic surgeon. "When Michael started calling she turned around and now she is doing a lot better."

Some of the patients were unaware they had a celebrity in their midst until Michael, wearing white socks and a single white sequined glove, made his rounds, visiting Keith, Bessie and the other six patients in the burn unit. One of the patients could not believe that he had actually been visited by Michael Jackson, so the singer returned to prove that it wasn't just a dream. Another patient wanted to know why Jackson wore the glove. "This way," he explained, "I am never offstage." With the consent of his doctor, Michael decided after less than a day to check out of the hospital and continue treatment as an outpatient.

Accompanied by his entourage and sporting a black fedora and hospital whites over street clothes, Michael was taken to a private car in a wheelchair. On his way, he stopped to have his picture taken with several visitors. "He's going to be bigger than Elvis Presley," said a woman in her 50s. "Bigger than who?" chirped one of the preteens who had flocked around.

Nearly all of the Burn Center staff got their souvenirs, as their famous patient posed for snapshots and signed cassettes, Thriller albums and 8 x 10 glossies. And though Jackson did not dance, Hoefflin knew that wouldn't last for long. "Telling Michael not to dance," said the surgeon, "is like telling him not to breathe."

Jackson plans to attend the mega-party that CBS and Epic Records are throwing in his honor at the American Museum of Natural History in New York this week, and he ought to be back in full gear by the time the Grammy awards (he's nominated for a dozen) roll around Feb. 28. "Michael is healthy and in good shape," says Hoefflin. "That will make for a speedy recovery." It's too early to judge if he will need any reconstructive surgery.

The exact cause of the accident at the Shrine Auditorium has yet to be determined. Eyewitnesses say it was a spark from one of the special lighting effects that ignited his hair. "Michael was exhausted when it happened," says Hoefflin. "It came at the end of a week when he was trying to film the commercial, make plans for a major national tour and finish an album with his brothers."

So far there has been no lawsuit, though the Jacksons and Pepsi executives have been carefully reviewing the film of the incident to determine if there was negligence. The sponsorship deal with Pepsi for two commercials is reportedly the most lucrative celebrity endorsement deal in history, guaranteeing the Jacksons at least $5 million. The family had to be nudged into the deal because, according to one insider, endorsing a product "isn't a decision every artist could be comfortable with immediately."

Although it will be a decidedly less lucrative undertaking, Michael also plans an autobiography. And for this, he will have the help of the most celebrated editor in publishing: Jackie Onassis. Mrs. O was first introduced to Mr. J several years ago at a Kennedy function in New York; both Caroline and John Jr. have been fans since the singer's Jackson Five days. Jackie and Michael met again last October in California—this time, says Jackson aide Steve Manning, "to really get to know each other."

Two weeks ago Jackie's firm, Doubleday, announced a $300,000-plus deal with Jackson—and named Jackie as his editor. Michael's memoirs, which will contain around 200 photos from his private collection, is due out in the spring of 1985. Jackson is also set to star in a new film of Peter Pan with Spielberg directing. The tour, meanwhile, is scheduled to begin this May with the kick-off possibly in the Jacksons' old hometown, Gary, Ind. The concert may be broadcast internationally.

Not that Jackson needs the extra exposure. The Guinness Book of World Records recently stopped the presses on its latest paperback edition to cite Michael's 23-million-copy Thriller as the biggest-selling solo LP of all time. He also continues to break sales records with his sixth single, Thriller's title cut, and his "Say Say Say" duet with Paul McCartney remains at the top of the charts. All of this is mere statistical evidence of Michael's extraordinary fan appeal, a mystique now enhanced by a near tragedy. "I would be willing to break my arm," said 14-year-old Tyrone Davis, one of the faithful who kept vigil outside the hospital, "just to be in the emergency room with Michael." Not to be outdone, Davis' sidekick, John Thomas, 13, boasted, "That's nothing. I would break my neck."

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Here is the main data I gleaned from the “People” article:

#1. The article, dated 13 February 1984, says that the incident occurred “last week”. If true, the incident can’t have occurred on 27 January, the date which is widely reported.  What’s the truth?!

#2. Reportedly, “thousands of fans” were present at the shooting.  I haven’t heard too many people to come out and say “I was there!”  I would expect some eyewitnesses (more than 1 or 2) to speak about this…

#3, Miko Brando was “the first to respond” and burned his own fingers in the process.

#4. There are contradictory statements about Michael’s “disdain for narcotics”.  MJ refused a painkiller, but later accepted an analgesic… And took a sleeping pill to go to bed!

#5. Michael suffered second-degree and third-degree burns, but made a “fast recovery” and checked out of the hospital after less than a day (and was supposedly going to continue treatment as an outpatient).

#6. Upon leaving the hospital, MJ was taken to his car in a wheelchair.  Why the need for the wheelchair, when Michael was in great health (according to Dr. Hoefflin) and “bebopping in bed while the doctors examined him"?

This reminds me of the only other time I saw MJ in a wheelchair, namely in that infamous photo from 2008-09.  I saw Michael with a broken foot/leg twice (at the 2001 Oxford lecture and when he performed “Remember The Time” in a chair), and neither of those times did I see him in a wheelchair… He’s not a wuss!
So: Why that wheelchair in 1984?

#7. Michael was transferred by Dr. Hoefflin from Cedars-Sinai to the Burns Unit at Brotman Medical Center in Culver City (which does exist - I checked).  Michael is said to have visited this Burns Unit twice prior to his Pepsi incident - the last time being just 1 month earlier.  Upon arriving, he was placed in a room adjoining one of the patients he had visited there (precisely the guy he saw the previous month).  

Interesting timing, no?

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PART 3: The BBC report from 27 Jan. 1984 [/u]

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1984: Michael Jackson burned in Pepsi ad

Michael Jackson has received hospital treatment for serious burns to his head after his hair caught light during a freak filming accident.
The 25-year-old entertainer was singing his hit "Billie Jean" for a Pepsi Cola commercial in Los Angeles when the special effects went wrong.
Three thousand fans saw a firework display erupt behind the superstar, showering him in sparks and setting light to his hair.
Some studio audience members said he was so calm, they thought the incident was part of the act.
The singer is reported to have covered his burning hair with his jacket as his brothers and stage hands rushed to help.
One member of the audience, Virginia Watson, witnessed the accident.
"He was wonderful. He reassured people even as he was being taken away on a stretcher", she said.
Michael Jackson was taken to hospital where he was treated for second degree burns.
Plastic surgeon Steven Hoeffin said Jackson, who was voted America's entertainer of the year, could need surgery to his head.
"He is in discomfort", said the doctor. "It will take a few weeks to determine the hair loss."
The superstar is earning a reputed £7m for the series of Pepsi Cola adverts which also feature his four famous brothers. It is part of a huge sponsorship deal the singer agreed last year.
The multimillionaire's album "Thriller" has just entered the Guinness book of records as the best selling LP of all time.

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PART 4: Michael’s looks at the 1984 Grammy Awards (held on 28 Feb.) [/u]

This is (allegedly) 1 month after the fire, and MJ looked totally fine:

[youtube:y1bogass]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF6l5DFfSO8[/youtube:y1bogass]

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PART 5: The nurse who looked after Michael (Kathy McGrath) [/u]

We are told nurse Kathy McGrath (29 at the time) took care of MJ… This lady, apparently from Connecticut, surfaced in 2009 (surprise!) and gave a short interview:

The interview is here, and shows a photo of Michael on the hospital bed:
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CT woman a nurse to Michael Jackson
Updated: Thursday, 16 Jul 2009, 11:31 PM EDT
Published : Thursday, 16 Jul 2009, 11:26 PM EDT
Story by: Jamie Muro

Naugatuck (WTNH) - Michael Jackson made headlines 25-years-ago when he was burned filming a commercial. Among those who treated him that day was a woman from Connecticut.

Little did she know that one of the most famous people on the planet would end up being a patient.
Perhaps it's hard to believe, but the once-thriving milltown of Naugatuck, Connecticut, a borough in New Haven County, quietly houses a Michael Jackson story.
"It was exciting. It was my little claim to fame. That's how I always put it," said Kathy McGrath, a former nurse to Michael Jackson. "My claim to fame is I took care of Michael Jackson when he burned his head."
Jackson "was not alone" that fateful day in 1984 when pyrotechnics caught his hair on fire while filming a "Pepsi" commercial.
"The doctor, Steven Hoefflin, called and said they were admitting Michael Jackson," said McGrath.
Three-thousand miles away from her hometown, at Brotman Medical Center's Burn Unit, by his bedside McGrath stood.
"Oh my God, it was like, unbelievable," she said. "Then it was like a big dash to get the room ready. We wanted him right next to the nursing station."
With the release of the "US Magazine" video this week of Jackson's burn-accident, McGrath is reliving an unforgettable memory.
"He was scared, he was nervous," she said.
She even found her name in national ink in '84, telling a reporter from "People Magazine" she put five blankets on Jackson to keep him warm. And while much of the discussion, this week, centers on Jackson's burn and his connection to painkillers, McGrath said it's too hard to know.
What stands out, in her mind, is the fact Jackson had visited the burn unit, before, visiting patients and sharing stories.
"He's very nice; nice enough to do that, nice enough to sign the picture for us," said McGrath of her memories of Jackson.
A faded Polaroid picture, with Jackson's scribbled signature on the back, is now a major conversation piece in McGrath's Naugatuck home.
McGrath said Jackson was only there one day. He was given a tetanus shot, which she was supposed to do but Jackson asked the doctor to do it; she also said his own food was catered in to the hospital.
She has since left the medical profession, married and is working as a realtor in Naugatuck.

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Here’s a 2010 article about Kathy McGrath:
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March 21, 2010
Nurse of Michael Jackson Shares Memories
“Maggie’s Corner”
A 911 Reaches Kathy McGrath In More Ways Than One.
By: Maggie Griffin

Meeting with Kathy McGrath, former Nurse of Michael Jackson when he was treated for burn injuries, I will admit she is a very extraordinary woman. Going back 25 years of Kathy’s career is a career that means more to her then anyone can imagine. Her career in nursing touched the lives of hundreds of people, including Michael Jackson, her patient in 1984.
Kathy McGrath, born August 12, 1954 in Waterbury Connecticut, found her calling to enter the medical profession in her later teen years. She wanted to be a Medical Technologist. Following high school, Kathy attended St. Mary’s School of Nursing. A 1975 Graduate, she, along with 3 other peers from St. Mary’s School of Nursing, left for California. There is where Kathy was a Nurse at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Beverly Hills, Intensive Care Unit. This Center is known to be the hospital to the stars.
Kathy was also a Floating Intensive Care Nurse where she would be called to duty to other medical facilities, including the Intensive Care Unit at Brothrotmen Medical Center, the Center where Entertainer Michael Jackson was admitted when he suffered burn injuries to his head during the making the a Pepsi Commercial in 1984. Kathy, being a fan of Michael Jackson, did not expect that Michael Jackson was going to be one of her patients. Jackson was placed in a private room, room number 3307, where he became the patient of Kathy McGrath. As Kathy McGrath, 29 at the time, quoted in The February, 1984 issue of People’s Magazine about Michael Jackson when he suffered burn injuries to his head: “He was still pretty shaken up and cold, so we put about five blankets on him.”
During my conversation with Kathy McGrath, she relived her experience as Michael Jackson’s nurse. “He was at the height of his career. Being his nurse was an awesome and honorable experience as his music touched me all my life”, said McGrath.
Kathy also emphasized one important fact; “As awesome and honorable it was that Michael Jackson was my patient, regardless of him being a celebrity, I automatically went into Nurse Mode. It was important that he had a private room to allow me to care for him and his burn injuries appropriately without interruptions. It is a challenge when giving medical care to burn victims as burn victims can also have other complications related to burn injuries. My job was to make sure all my patients received immediate, top and best medical care, including Michael.”
Another patient of McGrath, during the same time Jackson was her patient, is a man by the name of Keith Perry who suffered 90% of burns on his body. “Dr. Steven Hoefflin was Michael’s Plastic Surgeon at the time. Michael visited Keith Perry a couple of times during his stay in the medical facility, he cared about him and many others who were being treated for burns”, said McGrath.
Kathy McGrath loved her nursing career in an intensive care unit. She found it not only fascinating, but a career that touched her heart in more ways than one, especially to burn victims. She cared about all of them and treated well over 100 burn patients with immediate medical care. She also specialized in Endoscopy as well. Her career in the medical profession, and how serious she took the medical profession, made a difference for many. Kathy sets the example why all patients, no matter who they are, where they come from or what they do for a living, deserve immediate medical care in emergency situations. She made sure she gave immediate medical care to her patients because that is what was most important to her during her nursing career.
Although Kathy is still a licensed Nurse, she embarked on helping people in another area of expertise, Real Estate. Kathy is a REALTOR for Hometown Realtors, LLC in Naugatuck, owned by her Husband Ken Teach. As a seasoned Real Estate Professional, she takes this same quality of care at heart and applies it to bringing immediate service and attention to her real estate clients, clients who she is honored to be a part of when buying or selling real estate. McGrath quotes “My clients are important to me. Buying and selling real estate is one of the most important decisions in one’s life time. There is no hesitation when it comes to providing immediate real estate service to my clients”.
When I asked Kathy what all her recognitions were in both her nursing and real estate career, Kathy stated she does not believe in personal recognition. “Recognition is not what it is about. What is important to me is the importance of immediate attention and care I provided to my patients during my Nursing Career. I continue to provide immediate attention and care to my clients when it comes to their real estate needs today in my Real Estate Career”, said McGrath.

One’s Life and Life Time – Kathy is a woman of many ventures that touches the hearts of several people. Helping People is what it’s all about. Kathy puts the needs of others before her own. When I sat with Kathy, talking to her about her career in both nursing and real estate, I felt more than honored. Looking at photos as she was sharing with me the past 25 years of her life, I found her devotion to others amazing. It was remarkable for me to talk to Kathy about the past 25 years of her life in Nursing and now in Real Estate.
Kathy also shared with me her memorabilia’s such as the People’s Magazine dated back February of 1984 where she was mentioned being Michael Jackson’s Nurse. She also shared pictures, such as one with her and other staff members with Michael Jackson in the medical facility where Jackson was admitted prior to receiving out-patient care for his burn injuries.
Turning one of the photos over is where I read in Michael Jackson’s hand writing to Kathy McGrath:
“Thank You, I Love You – Michael Jackson”
There is a message Kathy McGrath wants to give to the Jackson family. That message is: “My heart and prayers goes out to the entire Jackson Family for the loss of Michael. No matter what, they are a family and family comes first.”
Kathy McGrath, Nurse of burn victims that included the legendary entertainer Michael Jackson, is also Kathy McGrath, REALTOR for Hometown Realtors, LLC in Naugatuck Connecticut. She is also The State President of The Woman’s Council of REALTORs, A Designated Accredited Buyers Specialist (ABR), e-Pro, A Graduate of the Real Estate Institute (GRI), Designated in Performance Management Network (PMI) and A Seller’s Representative Specialist (SRS).
Kathy McGrath “Never Can Say Good Bye” as Michael Jackson and the Jackson 5 sang in a song. Kathy is and always will be a woman who will always climb levels to help others. I found her accomplishments to be amazing, to conclude behind those accomplishments is her care to provide immediate attention to help others. I am certain she will have more accomplishments to come. She is a prime example of what dedication is for millions. I am honored and blessed to be a friend of Kathy McGrath.
Michael Jackson – Thank you for giving us your gift of music, sharing your heart and caring for people. We love you too. You will always be there.

PART 6; Burns info and treatment[/u]

Info on second-degree burns:
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Second-degree burns that cover less than 15% of an adult's body or less than 10% of a child's body are considered minor.  (Michael’s burn would thus have been “minor”.)

Minor burns are treated at home, while moderate and critical burns require hospital treatment.

Using ice or ice water on the affected area is not a good idea, because it further damages the tissue.  MJ’s hospital treatment seems to be consistent with the typical treatment: applying antiseptic and using light bandaging.  However, some say that silver sulfadiazine, which MJ was administered, can prolong healing time.  I’m not sure about the (alleged) ice compress applied by the “fan”… Because the ice wasn’t applied directly onto the skin, it may have been OK.

Analgesia (pain relief) is usually given.

Second-degree burns can heal with no or little permanent damage, and do not require skin grafts.  However, they are the most painful of all burns, and can easily become complicated by infections.  

Second-degree burns cause the victim’s breathing rate and pulse to increase (due to the pain).

A second-degree burn can take anywhere from 10 days to 3 weeks to heal, barring complications or other trauma.  (Thus it’s not surprising that Michael looked OK one month after the fire.)

Survival and outcome of severe burn injuries is remarkably improved if the patient is treated in a specialized burn center/unit rather than a hospital.

There’s a second type of second-degree burns: DEEP - which don’t heal as well.  (I don’t think MJ had the deep type, but the superficial type.  He probably wouldn’t have been discharged after 1 day had he suffered from a deep, palm-sized second-degree burn.)

Info on third-degree burns:
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Third-degree burns result in scarring, and may require skin grafts.

Generally the sweat glands, hair follicles, and nerve endings are destroyed.

Third-degree burns are not painful, but they are always surrounded by first- or second-degree burns, which are painful.  (So the description of MJ's wound makes sense.)

NOTE:

Hyperbaric oxygenation has not been shown to be a useful adjunct to traditional treatments.
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PART 7: Michael’s own statements about the incident [/u]

Here’s what MJ said in “Moonwalk”:

“I had planned to spend most of 1984 working on some movie ideas I had, but those plans got sidetracked.  First, in January, I was burned on the set of a Pepsi commercial I was shooting with my brothers.  The reason for the fire was stupidity, pure and simple.  We were shooting at night and I was supposed to come down a staircase with magnesium flash bombs going off on either side of me and just behind me.  It seemed so simple.  I was to walk down the stairs and these bombs would blow up behind me.  We did several takes that were wonderfully timed.  The lightning effects from the bombs were great.  Only later did I find out that these bombs were only two feet away from either side of my head, which was a total disregard of the safety regulations.  I was supposed to stand in the middle of a magnesium explosion, two feet on either side.

    Then Bob Giraldi, the director, came to me and said, “Michael, you’re going down too early.  We want to see you up there, up on the stairs.  When the lights come on, we want to reveal that you’re there, so wait.”

   So I waited, the bombs went off on either side of my head, and the sparks set my hair on fire.  I was dancing down this ramp and turning around, spinning, not knowing I was on fire. Suddenly I felt my hands reflexively going to my head in an attempt to smother the flames.  I fell down and just tried to shake the flames out.  Jermaine turned around and saw me on the ground, just after the explosions had gone off, and he thought I had been shot by someone in the crowd - because we were shooting in front of a big audience.  That’s what it looked like to him.

   Miko Brando, who works for me, was the first person to reach me.  After that, it was chaos.  It was crazy.  No film could properly capture the drama of what went on that night.  The crowd was screaming.  Someone shouted, “Get some ice!”  There were frantic running sounds.  People were yelling, “Oh no!”  The emergency truck came up and before they put me in I saw the Pepsi executives huddled together in a corner, looking terrified.  I remember the medical people putting me on a cot and the guys from Pepsi were so scared they couldn’t even bring themselves to check on me.

   Meanwhile, I was kind of detached, despite the terrible pain.  I was watching all the drama unfold.  Later they told me I was in shock, but I remember enjoying the ride to the hospital because I never thought I’d ride in an ambulance with the sirens wailing.  It was one of those things I had always wanted to do when I was growing up.  When we got there, they told me there were news crews outside, so I asked for my glove.  There’s a famous shot of me waving from the stretcher with my glove on.

   Later one of the doctors told me that it was a miracle I was alive.  One of the firemen had mentioned that in most cases your clothes catch on fire, in which case your whole face can be disfigured or you can die.  That’s it.  I had third-degree burns on the back of my head that almost went through to my skull, so I had a lot of problems with it, but I was very lucky.

   What we now know is that the incident created a lot of publicity for the commercial.  They sold more Pepsi than ever before.  And they came back to me later and offered me the biggest commercial endorsement fee in history.  It was so unprecedented that it went into The Guinness Book of World Records.  Pepsi and I worked together on another commercial, called <The Kid>, and I gave them problems by limiting the shots of me because I felt the shots they were asking for didn’t work well.  Later, when the commercial was a success, they told me I had been right.

   I still remember how scared those Pepsi executives looked the night of the fire.  They thought that my getting burned would leave a bad taste in the mouth of every kid in America who drank Pepsi.  They knew I could have sued them and I could have, but I was real nice about it.  Real nice.  They gave me $1,500,000 which I immediately donated to the Michael Jackson Burn Center.  I wanted to do something because I was so moved by the other burn patients I met while I was in the hospital.”

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Others / Freddie Mercury: The OTHER Legend
« on: November 11, 2010, 05:04:00 PM »
I'd like to put Freddie Mercury in this "Friends" category, even though he wasn't particularly close to Michael, because he and MJ collaborated at one point (and did, among others, the amazing duet "There Is More To Life Than This") and Freddie was one of the people that MJ studied.  For those who may not know, Mercury was an astounding showman who put on electrifying performances for entire stadiums, as well as a true artist who created very original music (such as "Bohemian Rhapsody").  Mercury also possessed one of the best VOICES among musicians of all kinds.

There have been discussions of Prince and Elvis on this forum, but not so much of Mercury... And he deserves to be mentioned.  RIP Freddie (i.e. Farouk Bulsara, born in Zanzibar).

There Is More To Life Than This:

[youtube:36rlbj9y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwfZVEHDq24[/youtube:36rlbj9y]

Freddie on Michael:

[youtube:36rlbj9y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b9d4fJ5FXc[/youtube:36rlbj9y]

Freddie the showman (singing "Under Pressure" with his band Queen):

[youtube:36rlbj9y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T36Ez1pq3E8[/youtube:36rlbj9y]

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Michael Jackson News / "Signature" act from Britain
« on: November 10, 2010, 07:29:14 PM »
I think these guys, who aren't really impersonators, are bringing something new to the game.  They appeared on "Britain's Got Talent" and I believe they won.  They're very nice and humble.

[youtube:1alfs7v4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJxV0S4es_M[/youtube:1alfs7v4]

[youtube:1alfs7v4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KeCcNLASKE&feature=related[/youtube:1alfs7v4]

[youtube:1alfs7v4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bif0J_usWFA&feature=related[/youtube:1alfs7v4]

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Pictures & Videos of Michael / "Planet Earth" recited by MICHAEL
« on: November 10, 2010, 04:42:34 PM »
Have you guys noticed this before?
I wonder when it was recorded?

I find Michael's voice here to be... haunting.

[youtube:1nktnjd6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GxIxsGavZs&feature=fvst[/youtube:1nktnjd6]

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Live Performances / "Got To Be There"
« on: November 08, 2010, 09:58:14 PM »
Does anyone else think that the vocals in this song are AMAZING?  And Mike was 13 (1971)!
The voice gives me goosebumps.

[youtube:2521uhiw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1ODaEq9n3Y[/youtube:2521uhiw]

If the dancing is distracting, you can listen here:

[youtube:2521uhiw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lefAse4Fnpo[/youtube:2521uhiw]

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Below is an article which BeTheChange posted in another thread.  It seemed lost among many posts, and I think it deserves a place here.  The source is at the bottom.

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Michael Jackson: Spiritual Messenger Hiding in Plain Sight

There are those rare visionaries who come along, maybe a few every millennia: the Bodhisattvas of the world. They are usually empaths who begin in childhood to literally feel the pain of the world and make vows to the cosmos early in life to change or improve it. They go about spreading awareness and mobilizing forces for change in order to make the world a better place. Counted among them are: Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., Mother Theresa, John Lennon, Lady Diana Spencer, His Holiness the Dalai Lama, Mattie Stepanek, Nelson Mandela and a little Moonwalker.

The most famous man on earth literally stopped the world and the Internet when he became immortal on June 25, 2009. Michael Jackson was such a one— a cheerleader for humanity and a force for coalescing compassion and mobilizing global forces for change, philanthropy and social reform. A global messenger, Michael’s rise to stardom afforded him visibility and a worldwide platform from which to broadcast his message. His boldness and artistry garnered attention and Michael knew how to get attention. When he pulled enough people in and had everybody’s attention—he emphatically delivered the message. It was cloaked in a form that everyone could understand—the universal language of music.

As a child, he acutely felt the pain of the world and especially the world’s children. Michael’s words in his book Dancing the Dream reveal a thread of spirituality and mysticism rare for one so young. His body of work is filled with myth, metaphor and musical and visual story that encodes a stunning spiritual message for the human race. One has to look closely and deeper for the real message: his Ghost short film holds a jaw dropping message about humanity, mirror and shadow.

His Man in the Mirror song written by Siedah Garrett, became a Gandhi-esque anthem for a generation. He donated 100% of the proceeds of that song to charity as he did with many of his concerts including the Victory Tour with his brothers. Man in the Mirror encourages self reflection and mastery and being the change you wish to see in the world: “I’m starting with the man in the mirror; I’m asking him to change his ways; no message could have been any clearer; if you want to make the world a better place, take a look at yourself and make a change.”

Michael also produced They Don’t Care about Us and other songs to address police brutality and mistreatment by authority. His song and video Black or White changed minds and advanced racial equality and multicultural diversity. His We are the World composition with Lionel Richie and accompanying video gathered 39 of the most visible faces on earth to raise millions to save lives in Africa. Heal the World was sung by children around the globe and at the 1993 Super Bowl halftime show where the whole stadium became a collage of earth’s children of all races and ethnic origins. Michael was the impetus behind Live Aid, Band Aid and he is responsible for starting the trend for musicians and celebrities to engage in fundraising and philanthropy.

His environmental anthem and epic music video Earth Song, was a prominent feature of his planned comeback concert This Is It. Earth Song carries the message that we must become not only custodians but stewards of the planet or risk destroying or losing it. His spiritual messages in the form of self-reflection, commitment and action boldly took on: racism, inequality, war, poverty, gangs, illicit drugs, apathy, the misuse of power, evil, at risk youth, education, family bonds and a host of contemporary social issues. Videos of Earth Song Live can be found on You Tube stunningly raw in their emotion and stark in their message.

Michael’s Don’t Stop till You get Enough is about the Force featured in Star Wars by George Lucas; he was a fan of both Lucas and Spielberg and he understood the concept of The Force, an intuitive conscious energy that permeates creation. He often said it was that intuitive energy, Force, or God who wrote his lyrics, performed and worked through him. He denied his own genius saying that his creativity and power didn’t come from him but through him. He writes about it Dancing the Dream. The last album Michael produced, Invincible included Cry, a song about us—meaning humanity the collective, being the chosen one and needing some kind of sign that we are: ‘on it’… the mission to change the world and create a better version of the human.

Michael’s international concerts featured a military tank screaming onto stage and a soldier who lays down his weapon for a child who extends an offering of peace. He organized concerts at the world’s troubled spots like the demilitarized zone between North and South Korea asking his promoters to send him where he was needed. He teamed up with Pavarotti in benefits for the Warchild organization to help children in Kosovo and Guatemala. He organized a series of benefit concerts in Germany and Korea. He recruited Slash, The Scorpions, Boyz II Men, Luther Vandross, Mariah Carey, A. R. Rahman, Prabhu Deva Sundaram, Shobana Chandrakumar, Andrea Bocelli and Luciano Pavarotti for the Michael Jackson and Friends concerts. The proceeds were donated to the Nelson Mandela Children's Fund, the Red Cross and UNESCO.

After the 9/11 terrorist attack in New York City, Michael Jackson helped organize the United We Stand: What More Can I Give benefit concert at RFK Stadium in Washington, D.C., which aired on October 21, 2001 and included dozens of major artists. His song What More Can I Give was written for the benefit and he donated it to the 9/11 families. He founded the Michael Jackson Burn Center at Culver City Memorial Hospital in California. Attending President Clinton’s inauguration, he asked for more funding for AIDS research after Ryan White, another child he had befriended, died from the disease. Michael Jackson is listed in the Guinness World Book of Records as supporting the most charities of any entertainer—thirty nine of them. He met with heads of state and marched with armies round the world. The arm band he wore every day on his sleeve was homage to children and he vowed to wear it until there were no more wars on the planet and no more hungry children. His taped fingers were to remind him and us that there were still injured and suffering children in the world.

Michael, while on tour, would visit orphanages and hospitals in the countries where he played to concert audiences. He often met with leaders and if he found deplorable conditions during his visits, he would threaten to cancel a concert unless the conditions improved within 24 hours. No one ever ignored his demands for it would likely have caused citizen revolts. There are also hundreds of stories from people who were personally contacted by Michael Jackson. After a sniper opened fire at Cleveland Elementary School in Stockton, California, Michael called the local sheriff to request an escort from the airport to the school to visit the children; Dave Dave was a child who was badly burned when his father doused him with kerosene and lit him on fire and Michael, upon hearing the story, insisted on meeting and befriending him; Bela Farcas needed a liver transplant when Michael met him at Bethesda Hospital in Budapest so Michael paid for his new liver; he funded burials for children whose families couldn’t afford them and in one case, he sent his sequined jacket and a glove for the child to be buried in; he donated clothing and belongings for fundraisers and was the recipient of humanitarian awards too many to mention during his life and more since the recognition of his contributions since his death.

For decades, his Neverland Valley Ranch hosted monthly guest vacations, whether he was there or traveling, for children who were: gravely ill, inner city, handicapped, poor, at risk youth, gang affiliated, disenfranchised and disillusioned. The video for his famous Beat It featured real gang members Michael recruited—the Crips and the Bloods who collaborated to film it; the two groups had never before cooperated on anything except violence. His work with children was legion and very dear to his heart. Twice during his career, his celebrity, wealth and deep pockets brought accusers and accusations into his life—of improprieties with children. The accusations hurt him deeply and were later proven false and attempts to extort money from him. Although found innocent, the ordeal of his 2005 trial had harmed his reputation and was deeply wounding causing him to never host children at his fantasy ranch, nor live there again. He left his home feeling it had been sullied irreversibly by unscrupulous accusers and underhanded law enforcement personnel. He would never again sleep in his bedroom, in fact sleeping at all became rare; his sleep problems escalated and eventually led to his untimely and eerie death.

Most of Jackson’s work asks us to be emissaries of change and the evolution of human consciousness. The man leaves in his wake, an unparalleled humanitarian legacy, planetary midwifery and the alchemical power of the Bodhisattva used to enhance humanity and the planet. Using voice, magic, majesty, artistry, dance, mystery, sensuality, musical genius, enchantment and colossal talent to get their attention, pull people in, and marshal forces to deliver his message Michael trumpeted the message: Heal the world, make it a better place; make that change and change the world.”

If one digs underneath the hype, sensationalism and medialoid portrayal of Jackson, one finds a visionary and true humanitarian. If one looks beyond the label of “crazed” attributed to his fans, one finds mostly intelligent, thoughtful people who quite possibly are the greatest legacy he left this world. As the world’s most famous and visible global humanitarian and cheerleader, he leaves behind a worldwide family of 250 million admirers who are taking his teachings seriously. Michael always said his fans were his legacy. Many in the media have given them a cursory dismissal because of the “fan” label. But they got the message and they mean to be the change they want to see in the world and make it a better place. They are an army of humanitarians who are being the change. They mobilize themselves and resources for causes like the earthquakes in Haiti and Chile and others. They got Michael’s message and are weaving it into their lives.

Perhaps it’s time Michael Jackson is recognized for who he really was and not for the media frenzied and tabloid portrayal that pandered to a sophomoric public drunk and fixated on the cult of celebrity. His genius is there for anyone who wants to take a closer look, who wants the truth and not the tabloid caricature version. If he were recognized for his real accomplishments we would see an unappreciated visionary and genius, a spiritual teacher among us who was hiding in plain sight and masquerading as a Moonwalking Maker of Magic. If you feel impelled at all to take a closer look you may find your mouth agape and your surprise staggering. And you might even come to understand the Force that was Michael Jackson; then the real legend continues.

(c) B. Kaufmann One Wordsmith

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General Hoax Talk / "The Man in the Mirror" III
« on: November 06, 2010, 04:57:31 PM »
This is, at least for now, the last part of this "experiment".

Have you always known the "real" MJ (normal, nice, kind, gracious, generous - a great man and artist), and how do you think others perceived him between 1999-2009?

Thanks, everyone!  :)

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General Hoax Talk / "The Man in the Mirror' II
« on: November 06, 2010, 04:43:30 PM »
This is a continuation of my little "experiment".

"Invincible" is the last album released by Michael Jackson before 6/25/2009.  It came out on Oct. 30, 2001.  When did you purchase it (or listen to it) and when did you come to fully appreciate it (if you did, of course)?

Hope you will vote!

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General Hoax Talk / "The Man in the Mirror" (a look at us)
« on: November 06, 2010, 04:33:24 PM »
Hi everyone:

I'd be curious to know how much attention we all paid to Michael between 1999-2009 (the last decade before 6/25/2009).  I think it's important for multiple reasons, and hope that you will vote in the poll I've created.

Thanks!  LOVE to you all.

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