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Random MJ Talk / HATING Dr. Conrad Murray
« on: October 23, 2011, 05:57:16 PM »
I don't know if this is the right place to post this but it IS about L.O.V.E., a concept a lot of fans haven't understood if you ask me...

I've just had some discussions about Murray, and I've been so very shocked about the hate and spitefulness coming from fans, I have to let it out somewhere. I can't believe Michael fans who claim to love him for his good heart and quote "it's all for love" wherever they go want a man to rot in jail or burn in hell.

To set the record straight, I can understand anger, and I realize you have to let it out sometimes. But every now and then you have to step back and use your brain. Hating this man for supposedly being responsible for Michael's death is not sensible. Seeing him being punished, hurt, killed will not bring Michael back if he's dead. What I also find particularly upsetting is that they keep emphasizing he did it to MICHAEL, MICHAEL, as if it would've been far less terrible had Murray given drugs to some bum down the street and killed him. Murray's on trial for involuntary manslaughter, not even for having purposedly murdered anyone. And they call him the devil and a monster, most certainly because they themselves just can't deal with the loss.

I'm not saying Murray should be allowed to live a king's life if he's guilty. He shouldn't be allowed to practice, since that's what his supposed crime was all about: being negligent while taking care of a patient. In my opinion, as much as I love Michael, I seriously do not believe he deserves to be burned at the stake for what he did [if he did it]. There are a lot of things I would do to get Michael back, but I simply cannot believe those "L.O.V.E." screaming fans consider it right and just for Murray to be crucified publicly, to be spat on, EVEN IF HE'S GUILTY. That's not what love is about, and, AS I SAID, I can understand anger, but you are not to lose your sensibility and reason.

They believe Michael was given Propofol by Murray - stone me for being honest -, don't they think that Michael ASKED him for it, and that if Murray hadn't given it to him, he would've found somebody else? Somebody less negligent, maybe, but unless they're trying to say Michael was murdered, they have to admit that Michael is partly responsible himself. Now burn me, but, seriously, those people are NOT being sensible. They hate someone because he took Michael Jackson's life, at the same time they claim to love Michael and all he stood/stands for: LOVE, JUSTICE, and even FORGIVENESS. I suppose they want Michael and themselves to always be treated with love and an open mind, but it doesn't go for anybody who goes against Michael. Yet, he himself wrote in Moonwalk that he can't understand the concept of revenge, and his little soldiers of love are screaming for a man to be burned alive. That's what I call L.O.V.E.

I do hope somebody will agree with me because I feel quite lost right now.

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The Coroner and Autopsy Report / Fingerprints?
« on: January 13, 2011, 09:41:32 AM »
As we know, they supposedly used Michael's driver's license to identify the corpse. It is clearly stated in the autopsy report that this was the identification method...

There's also a part on the first page that says "Fingerprints? Yes", and I was just wondering if somebody knows what that means. They probably fingerprinted the corpse. Is that it? Or does it mean fingerprints were compared to other existing fingerprints? Or does it mean that they already had fingerprints of the deceased person? I don't know, and I don't know if this has already been discussed. I couldn't find anything about it. But if they compared fingerprints, then wouldn't this have been mentioned in the report? Wouldn't it be mentioned under ID method, after all, it's a little more reliable than checking someone's driver's license...

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Pictures & Videos of Michael / Michael in a snow ball fight
« on: December 14, 2010, 10:52:39 AM »
I made this, I think it's really cute... Might cheer you up...

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 :lol:

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Has anybody found acapella versions of Monster and Keep Your Head Up? Or can anybody create acapella versions? I haven't found any, but that'd be really interesting.  :)

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Other Odd Things / Why no public viewing?
« on: October 12, 2010, 08:24:33 AM »
In case Michael is dead, do you think it was right of the Jacksons to have a closed casket?

Would you have felt it your duty to show Michael to the world one last time, so they could say goodbye and grasp what happened, or would you have wanted to protect his "privacy", not letting the world see, meaning the fans and even other people close to Michael who didn't get to attend the private ceremony as well.

I have to say, at first I didn't see any reason or excuse for a closed casket. I felt and I basically still feel completely punked when I think about the way Michael's supposed death was handled. I know, they have a right to privacy, and if they wanted to protect Michael, that's wonderful. But it's still bugging me. Because, first of all, we're talking about the Jacksons. Quite a few of those family members don't miss a chance when it comes to publicity, they didn't think it was wrong to use Michael's death for their own publicity in various ways and even dragged Michael's children into the limelight. They didn't care about his rights as a child to even have a childhood, let alone privacy, being rushed from show to show to the recording studio and around the world. If they decided to have a closed casket out of decency and respect for Michael, I just don't think it fits them. And I know that sounds hard, but I mean it.

As a fan and someone who loves and cares about Michael from a distance, I felt completely left out and disrespected. If they had the decency to care about Michael's privacy, when he's DEAD, they forgot the rest of the world, the ones who cared for him who were left completely blind, with a million questions in their heads, for God's sake, we didn't even get to see him. Instead we got to see crappy, sentimental performances, were those of any help whatsoever? We got to see Michael's beautiful children, even got to see Paris, who didn't even cry a TEAR on that stage, and we were left with the uttermost confusion. Well, I was.

If Michael is dead, I think what they did is, they took the chance to say goodbye away from me, the chance to grieve, away from anyone who feels this way. I don't know about other people, but it's Michael Jackson, the most famous person in the world, I can't just believe he's dead because they say so, I need to see it. I couldn't deal with it any other way. It all looks like a bad, bad joke to me. You have paparazzi photos of celebs in underwear, where is one photo or anything of Michael, except for that crappy ambulance pic? We have nothing. And I just can't believe it. UCLA, nothing coming from them, no eyewitnesses speaking out, no photos, no nothing. It's much harder than that to protect the privacy of MICHAEL JACKSON. I just feel there would be more... if he's dead. Which brings us back to why I'm here. But the topic was... if he's dead, do you think it was right to have a closed casket?

I know this all sounds rather melodramatic, and I apologize, I was in a rather bad mood, but I'll be better soon.

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Hoax Videos / MJFanFOREVERAndADAY LIES about helicopter video?
« on: June 06, 2010, 10:01:19 AM »
Now, I don't want to accuse anyone of making things up, and I'm sorry if I'm just confusing things, but please take a look at this video.

[youtube:a4k2dij4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2u5JYTa4vg[/youtube:a4k2dij4]

Pay attention to one of her comments, she claims that the LA county medical examiners office was emailed about this and stated that nobody else was in there, and she claims we'd see proof of that email.

Now, I have to say I haven't looked for her proof, but how about this video here?

[youtube:a4k2dij4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp95YX7OEPo[/youtube:a4k2dij4]

At about 2:23 you can see there is somebody else in that part of the helicopter, and a few seconds later you can see him walk out of that very door. You could say he was with the body or whatever it was during the entire flight. He could, in my opinion, very well have moved the body, or not, I don't care, it's not even the point. Point is, there was somebody in there.

(Sorry for the problems, I couldn't post this for some reason and had to try and figure out what was wrong.)

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Hoax Videos / Threatened
« on: May 28, 2010, 07:19:51 AM »
I made a video for Threatened in which Michael basically fakes his death. :) Making it made me feel rather good, as you can imagine. Maybe you'll like it, here it is:

[youtube:2tfa471g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g0tNit9_G8[/youtube:2tfa471g]

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I've just been browsing through the released FBI files again, and there you have it:


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There are many people who are very allergic to the thought of Michael faking his death, and they immediately dismiss any theory, simply because they believe or they "know" he would never do something like this.

They say he would never do it to his children. Even though nobody knows if he's not spending time with them every now and then or even most of the time. They say he would never do it to his fans. But who knows what Michael thinks his fans want? What if he knew he couldn't survive the 50 shows and his only other option would've been to cancel? What kinda reaction would he have expected from his fans? And not even I want to imagine the reactions. He would've been laughed at by the public, and many fans would've been extremely disappointed. But still, people will tell you he would never fake his death, simply because he wouldn't. Because he's too good to do something like that. They might say Michael has a very strong faith in God and would never do something like this because it's simply wrong. How about the elephant man's bones and oxygen chamber stories though, and the big possibility that Michael might've been the mastermind behind those hoaxes? I know, faking your death is another story. But...

What do you think and what do you say when people use those kind of arguments?

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I'm not ashamed to say it, I don't really know anything about autopsies. Thank God.

Craig Harvey was asked who else was present "besides the M.E.", and said a police detective. However, "M.E." does not only mean the coroner, does it? How many people are present, does anybody know?

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Other Odd Things / Michael's YouTube Channel
« on: March 15, 2010, 10:02:49 AM »
Has anyone ever noticed this on Michael's channel...

"International fans: if you're having trouble viewing my official music videos, visit my NEW international YouTube channel at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login"

Now, I know this is probably standard, other people writing this stuff for artists, and I feel stupid even coming up with it, but still... Don't you feel it's kinda tasteless to put something like that up there after the artist has died? "Hey, this is Michael Jackson, look at my new channel." That's not even funny.  :roll:

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General Hoax Talk / About the CPR and Michael's "damaged" face
« on: January 11, 2010, 12:41:20 PM »
Hey people...

I'm sorry if this has been said somewhere before. But I've been searching the net all over again and just couldn't find that info about the Jacksons(?) claiming Michael's face had been too damaged from the CPR for a public viewing? I've only ever read this on hoax sites and couldn't find it anywhere else, so I was wondering where it came from. And that statement is just so ridiculous, it would really make me feel good to see the Jacksons might've really said that.  :D 'Cause it's about the dumbest excuse I've ever heard in my entire life.

Thanks. And again, I'm sorry, if there's a link to the info somewhere or so... I just couldn't find it.

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