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Other Odd Things / Guys. Seriously.
« on: February 13, 2010, 03:14:59 PM »
Everyone is saying they're hearing Michael at 4:19 and 4:38.

That's Nick Jonas.

There's no doubt, it hasn't been altered or anything. I am a Jonas Brothers fan, I would know.

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Other Odd Things / PIANOGAMESPIANOGAMESPIANOGAMES
« on: January 27, 2010, 02:41:31 PM »
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AHHHHHHH!

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Other Odd Things / Now THERE'S the mind-blowing surprise.
« on: January 23, 2010, 08:56:26 PM »
I really hope no one has posted this before! I don't want to cause the moderators too much trouble  :?

So I'm assuming that everyone here has seen the Jack5on Family Dynasty season finale, right? Okay.

Towards the end, you see and hear the brothers talking about doing something that they had been putting off for a while. The minds of the audience are going insane, wondering what they're going to do; as a beLIEver I thought they might make an announcement about Michael. But just when you think you know what they're doing, you see the street signs on the highway for Forest Lawn. My heart truly sank when I saw that. I wasn't really expecting Mike to pop out and do the moonwalk for us, but I was expecting something more.

Don't stop reading, the good part is coming up soon.  :arrow:

Let's say Michael's dead. How is that mind-blowing for them to go visit him? Why is that so unimaginably exiting to see them go visit their dead brother?

Which just makes me believe even more that he's alive. Let's say the brothers are thinking of ways to cover up the hoax by putting something in their season finale. "We'll go visit Forest Lawn!" they say. "That will be mind-blowing for everyone who believes that he's alive! We'll completely throw them off!"

Do you see what I'm getting at?

It's only mind blowing for people who think he's alive. If there was someone watching just for the heck of it, not looking to analyze for clues, they would be really disappointed after being led to believe that this was going to be the most amazing episode yet.

Seriously. The good part is coming up.  :arrow:

So us hoaxers aren't taking this. Which is exactly what the Jacksons wanted. They wanted us to say that the finale was bullsh*t and look further into it. And look further into it WE DID.

Someone who follows me on Twitter, @steffmaster1, told me the following.

THE JACKSONS WENT TO THE WRONG FOREST LAWN.

Yea. That was the good part.

I have screenshots included of the following.
- The street signs that they see on their way to the memorial.
      + The first photo says "Hollywood, 7 exits". Um, Glendale isn't in Hollywood, it's in
         Glendale!?!?
      + The other street sign says "Forest Lawn Drive". Well guess what? The address for the
         Glendale is 1712 South Glendale Avenue Glendale, CA 91205. South Glendale
         Avenue and Buena Vista Street (on the street sign) are 20 minutes away from each
         other as it is.
- The sign that you see upon entering Forest Lawn.
      + Though these street signs are leading you to Forest Lawn Hollywood Hills, there's
         something off about the entrance photo. This sign can be seen at the Glendale
         Forest Lawn, so I'm kind of confused. If anyone can prove this, that would be great.
         This is the only thing that is truly throwing me off.
- A map of the distance between Glendale & Hollywood Hills cemeteries.

Trying to make sense of all this. I just don't know if this all fits together, because they show them at the Glendale Forest Lawn, but as they're going there, you see signs leading them to Hollywood Hills. Thoughts? Theories?

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Other Odd Things / Just wanted to share this with you guys.
« on: January 18, 2010, 07:14:09 PM »
On a lighter note, this is me and my sister's way to channel Michael Jackson through Petville. My sister has been working for like 5 days to get enough coins for that Thriller costume.

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Other Odd Things / Big day in homicide investigation?
« on: January 18, 2010, 05:04:42 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't today supposed to be a big day in the homicide investigation?  :?:  :?:

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Other Odd Things / Sorry about negative thinking.
« on: January 18, 2010, 02:56:52 PM »
Alright. Let's be hypothetical here.

Michael's alive.

He's alive and well, living in a house somewhere in Eastern Europe, frequently seeing his children and hiding from the media and the trouble he had before his "death".

What if he wants to keep this life forever? What if he disappeared for his personal gain and his gain only? Obviously he has stayed out of the spotlight for some time now, maybe he likes this life so much that he's never coming back?

Oh. P.S. Someone brought up a really good point about the Jack5ons season finale last night.
"What a load of rubbish. I mean... if you believe MJ is gone, then the brothers going to the grave with flowers is normal. Thats what families do... so what is mind blowing about the brothers going to their relatives grave???" DancingTheDream

That makes SO much sense to me!

Let's be hypothetical again.

Michael's dead.

His brothers are extremely saddened by his death, so sad that they really haven't grieved together by visiting the grave site. Finally, they decide to open their personal grieving to the fans.

They include in the season finale their trip to see Michael.

WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD THIS BE MIND BLOWING? If I am -hypothetically- a non-believer, someone who's like "Michael's dead, all that hoax stuff is absolute bullsh*t" then why would that be mind blowing for me? They really are confusing me now.

SO many questions.

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Other Odd Things / I'm tired of open-ended clues.
« on: January 18, 2010, 12:25:33 AM »
No, I'm not done with the hoax. But I think I'm going to take a break from it. Whenever I hear a new clue, it always branches out into people's opinions, which branches out into more clues. It never seems that one clue is just a clue, and not a clue with other clues and things tied on to it.

Here's what I want.

Answers.

I know. You're probably like, "No shit Sherlock. That's what everyone wants." But not just answers. I want CLOSURE. Right now, I feel like I'm closer to being on the fence than being on one side of the hoax. With tonight's Jack5on's episode at Forest Lawn, it has just really got me thinking about clues that never seemed to end.

The first thing that made me say, "Wow he's really not dead." was the death certificate. The fact that there was no legitimate death certificate/cause of death and no doctor willing to sign it really made me beLIEve. Now this new death certificate was released, (even though his middle name was wrong) it changed my thoughts a little about the hoax. And now they visited his grave? Though there were a few things off about that, I just don't know what to think anymore. I kinda feel like they only did that to kinda be like, "Yes he's really dead" but really just to throw people off. I don't know. I could be completely wrong.

I would just like a clue that provides more of a definite idea than just leaving us with more questions, you know? I want a clue that says he is alive for this reason, or he is dead for this reason. URG I really don't want him to be dead! But I just don't know anymore. I just don't know.

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Other Odd Things / Here's what I have to say about the show.
« on: January 17, 2010, 10:40:20 PM »
First of all, I had a feeling Michael wouldn't come back. Keep in mind, this show isn't live! It was filmed a couple months ago, and I doubt that if the biggest and greatest artist in the entire world came back from the dead that we wouldn't have heard about it by now. Okay. But here is what I think.

Some people are speculating the fact that they didn't actually show the grave. I noticed this too.

Pro hoax factor: I feel like they could've showed them AT the grave, not a camera there the entire time during their "grieving". Anyone could've just filmed themselves in the doorway and walking out.

Con hoax factor: Forest Lawn seems to be very strict about people inside the building. People are saying that they don't allow ANYONE to see the grave sites, so maybe they allow family members inside but no cameras.

Jackie also mentioned that people had left notes and flowers at the site.

Pro hoax factor: I'm pretty sure everyone knows by now that FANS ARE NOT ALLOWED INSIDE. In fact, I've heard that they don't really let anyone inside. If no one can get inside, then how could people leave flowers and notes?

Con hoax factor: If they weren't allowed inside, fans might have been able to leave their offerings at the reception desk. They couldn't just leave them outside, so they would have to bring them somewhere. Though I doubt employees of the cemetery would keep them somewhere.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO THINK. Please PLEASE tell me what you got from this episode that contributes to the hoax or any other random things. I want to beLIEve!

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Other Odd Things / Just realized something about tonight's show..
« on: January 17, 2010, 05:48:31 PM »
The Jack5ons Family Dynsasty show isn't live. It was filmed, maybe 1-3 months ago? If Michael were to come back tonight on the episode, then in reality, he came back a couple months ago. I just realized this. Even if he doesn't come back tonight, what is this amazing finale they keep talking about??

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General Hoax Talk / @GwenMadlyn
« on: January 17, 2010, 05:42:03 PM »
Follow me on Twitter for live updates during tonight's Jack5on's show! I came to understand that anyone not in the United States isn't able to see the show so I will be devoting my Twitter to the show tonight! I'll be updating with quotes, places they are going to, and really anything that is going on.  :D


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The Jacksons ~ A Family Dynasty / LIVE Updates from Tonight's Show!
« on: January 17, 2010, 02:10:23 PM »
For anyone out there who is concerned about not being able to watch the Jack5on's show tonight, follow this account on Twitter: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login I will be updating LIVE during the show tonight, so make sure to follow if you can't watch the show!

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Other Odd Things / NEW Death Certificate a FAKE?
« on: January 11, 2010, 02:55:29 PM »
Michael's full name is Michael Joe Jackson.

*Here's a good way to remember his REAL middle name.
Michael + Joe Jackson = Michael Joe Jackson*

I've heard somewhere along in my research that a death certificate with a name that is NOT your official name is not legitimate.

And look what we have here!

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A death certificate for a MICHAEL JOSEPH JACKSON.

Even though Joe is a shortened version of Joseph, that is not Michael's real name.

Could this new death certificate be fake?  :?:  :?:  :?:

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Other Odd Things / MJ's Death Officially A Homicide.
« on: January 11, 2010, 02:22:49 PM »
The following text was taken from Perez Hilton.

Michael Jackson's cause of death has been officially ruled as a homicide and has been changed on the King of Pop's death certificate.

The documentation now reads that Jackson died from "acute Propofol intoxication" by "intravenous injection of another."

Dr. Conrad Murray is still expected to be charged with manslaughter and prosecuted for "gross negligence." Murray's lawyer has stated that the doctor has no comment and that he did not prescribe or administer anything that should have killed MJ.

But it did!

To prove the charge of involuntary manslaughter, the authorities need to show that there was reckless action that could cause a risk of death or bodily injury. The district attorney is currently waiting for the LAPD to turn the case over to present to a grand jury.

The police are lining up medical expert witnesses to testify at the eventual trial about the standard protocol for the care of someone in a situation similar to Michael Jackson and how Murray's actions are considered "gross negligence."

It sure doesn't sound like he's going to get away with this!


So now we filled in one more box on the death certificate. What do you guys think this means for the hoax?

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I don't know what to think. That looks legit, and the death certificate is one of the biggest reasons why I think MJ wasn't dead. Now I'm on the fence.

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TMZ Articles / BREAKING NEWS! NEW SONG ON TMZ!
« on: January 03, 2010, 05:10:53 PM »
TMZ.com just released a song by Michael Jackson called "Another Day", which they say is a duet with Lenny Kravitz. I like it! What do you think?

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Other Odd Things / No more reading into it.
« on: January 02, 2010, 09:08:00 AM »
So last night I was thinking: a lot of people read into this death hoax more than they should. All of the stuff I've read on here is completely logical, though through, and makes sense, but sometimes the YouTube videos I've seen are completely random and out of context.

 :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:

There are the obvious clues:
1. no official death certificate.
2. his own father barely knows anything about the placement of the body and the autopsy results.
3. the sketchy 911 call and the location it was made from.
4. the "last" photo of Mike in the ambulance, without showing and refection of the photographer.
5. the lengthy amount of time it took for the ambulance to exit the driveway, without and sirens or lights, though the picture mentioned in #4 shows that Mike was still alive, so not using lights or sirens in the event of an emergency is against standard procedure.
6. Dr. Conrad Murray seems to have no history. He had a photo taken in 2006, and that's basically the only photo of him besides a couple paparazzi pics taken in 2009. And apparently he's an actor? I don't know. But he seems to be the absolute worst cardiologist known to man. The man he's treating dies of a cardiac arrest and he specializes in that area? Come on. He's sketchy. And I beLIEve that he plays a big part in all of this.
7. The funeral was not open casket, unlike Elvis Presley, Martin Luther King Jr, and James Brown.
8. It took MONTHS for something to finally be done with the body. Though I wasn't a beLIEver of the hoax back then, even I noticed that it took a very unusual amount of time to perform the autopsy reports, get the tox results back, bury the body, etc...
9. TMZ reports the death 6 minutes before Mike is officially pronounced dead, and then doesn't put him in their "R.I.P." list? It's not as if they didn't know he died; they were the first to report it.
10. Forest Lawn Cemetery basically denies ever having Mike on their grounds. And even if he is there now, people are not allowed to go anywhere near him.

 :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:

There are TONS more of those, but on to the not-so-obvious-and-confusing/over-analyzed clues.
1. Cassandra Gretchen Sims. If she's real, a lot of stuff changes. Such as Mike being disguised at his funeral. She claims that he watched the funeral 'via closed circuit'. She also claims that Mike is returning in June of this year. Click the link to go to the website where this was originally posted along with other hoax details. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
2. Everyone seemingly happy just days after Mike's death. This could mean a lot, or nothing at all. I beLIEve that it is a very big clue. Who laughs while talking about their brother's sudden death? Who chats and smiles at a sad funeral? Who needs to get their facts and stories straight before releasing anything to the media? I think you can answer those questions.
3. The transportation of 'Mike's' body and how it is beLIEved to move in the helicopter. Okay. This is the craziest story I've heard so far about this part of the hoax, though with Michael Jackson, anything is possible. The people said that Michael found/had an impersonator that was terminally ill. Whether or not he already looked like Mike or they got him to look like Mike after finding him, I'm not sure. But this person said that they found this terminally ill person, put some pills into his stomach through a tube, and then allowed the paramedics to take HIM to the hospital. Crazy, right? Doesn't sound like Michael at all to me. Moving on.. This whole white sheet/body moving/second body thing really confuses me. Nothing I've heard about the transportation of the body makes any real sense. So I'm not going to say anything about that, but you guys can! Thoughts on that?
4. 33 clues in TII. Some of the clues that people have found make sense; the spider, the dead brides, the sign language, no R.I.P., etc. Others just seem over-analyzed, which is why the clues are in this list instead of the obvious list.

 :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:

Once again, there are many many MANY more theories and clues than I can list here without having my fingers fall off. But here's what I can think of off of the top of my head. Thoughts? Theories? Questions? More importantly, Answers?

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