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Other Odd Things / Police Called To Neverland Yesterday!!!!
« on: March 18, 2015, 10:40:05 PM »
Well, it never ceases to amaze me. Things can't stay quiet for long can they? Michael's name has to be kept relevant in the media for some reason. Just this week we get Joe Jackson tweeting and now this.  :michael_jackson-1135:

"Report of crime at Neverland Ranch unfounded", authorities say

The Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Office and other law enforcement agencies spent three hours searching the structures and surrounding property of Neverland Ranch on Tuesday after a report that a crime was being committed. According to a sheriff’s spokeswoman, they found nothing..

Neverland Ranch is the former home of pop star Michael Jackson.

"There was no evidence of a crime or anything suspicious in nature," said Kelly Hoover, spokeswoman for the sheriff’s office.

Authorities responded to the Santa Ynez Valley property after someone called the sheriff’s non-emergency line and reported a crime.

Hoover would not comment on what crime was reported or any other specifics of the call.  :screaming-7365:

Owen Blicksilver, spokesman for Colony Capital, the property company that owns Neverland Ranch, said the call was believed to be a hoax but that he was grateful authorities were checking the area to verify.

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Now my questions are:

1. if the call was a hoax, why then are they not commenting on what crime was reported and staying silent on all the other details?  :over-react-smiley: 

2. And why did so many police agencies have to go out there all at once?

3. What if that phone call they got had some truth to it?

4. What if it was MJ who made that call? What if it was a call for help from him the reason so many officers came?

5. What was the crime reported?

6. If it wasn't Mike that made the call, who else could have if it wasn't just a prank?

This just doesn't make any sense. And what a strange choice of words from the spokesperson. I have always heard calls like this called prank calls, but NEVER hoax calls.  ;D

I disagree all the way with mjfanforeverandaday/Brandi/Maura's new theory of what really happened to MJ. She is starting to really irk me with her stuff that she posts on facebook.  :screaming-7365: But I would like to get everyones opinion on what she thinks. Here it is:

I realize that what I am about to type here is probably going to sound completely insane. I do not expect it to really make sense to anybody until I can prove it, but I need to write it down while it’s still clear in my mind. I am willing to share it with you.

I have been investigating Michael’s death for almost six years now. There are many things that I have uncovered that I have not shared with anybody for many reasons. The primary reason has always been that if it was something that I thought could have a negative effect on how people see Michael or his legacy, i’ve kept it to myself if I couldn’t prove that it served a bigger purpose. So many things that i’ve figured out but never really the complete picture and that’s why at times it can be very frustrating.

I 100% without a doubt can say that I know Michael didn’t die on June 25th, 2009. That has never been enough for me because of the things that I couldn’t put into place.  I was not a fan when Michael “died”, but over the years of really studying him and learning more about him, I have come to realize that ANYTHING that Michael “planned”  would be almost immaculate.  Even if  Michael had some elaborate death hoax planned out, it would never be sloppy. People say that it’s sloppy so that fans can figure it out, but I think that if Michael was leaving to stay away, it would be so that you never knew. And it wouldn’t be in such a way  that someone might actually go to Prison or tax payer dollars would go towards various trials. These things border on illegal and this is why I do not believe that Michael planned to stage his death and go away for good…

My Theory:

In various interviews in between 2002 and 2008, Michael Jackson was asked many times what it is that he wanted to do next. He spoke candidly about wanting to do film. Not just making movies but innovating a new kind of film.

I believe that after the 2005 trial, Michael became enraged and bitter by what the media did to him. It was after all a journalist that was responsible for portraying a situation for something that it wasn’t through clever editing with Living With Michael Jackson.  I think that Michael became so angry and started thinking of a way to pay the media back.

I think he came up with the idea to make a documentary style movie that would show how crooked and manipulative the media could be. I believe that Michael realized that if he “died”, this would really bring out the vultures and the evil people, that would report anything and put ANY kind of story out to the public no matter how ridiculous or crooked it was. Michael would die some crazy death and the media would sell it like hotcakes. He would have false witnesses and plant silly stories and the Media would eat it up and so would the public…

Michael would then AFTER his “burial” stage a massive come back and PROVE that you absolutely can not believe what the media reports. He knew it would piss a lot of people off and maybe he would even lose some fans, but he was hoping that they would understand why he had to do this. This would not only showcase his talent as a film maker, but it would also show that he is NOT a lap dog or a target and he wouldn’t take the medias lies and shit anymore. It was payback time!

Michael realized that he could not pull this off without serious OFFICIAL help. He needed people to be on board with this that would be willing to risk everything, but he would make it worth it. They would be paid well just in case. There is a lot of injustice in the system and maybe these people had their own reasons for wanting the crookedness in law enforcement and media exposed.  Michael also realized that he needed serious financial backing, so he sat down with Randy Philips and AEG and discussed this plan with them. There was never going to be a tour… They knew that this death hoax would bring in lots and lots of money because it would be something unheard of and MAYBE Michael would do a few shows but he really didn’t need to. They realized the kind of money and publicity something like this would get and everybody wanted their part in it. He had them on board.

Arnold Klein was supposed rebuilding Michael’s “face”, but I think that Arnold K. was working on somebody else. I think Michael considered that maybe after doing this he would have to kind of drop out of the public for a bit, but perhaps he could have a double in his place. To do interviews or be in certain places. Maybe this “double” could also be used in THIS IS IT as the sickly and drugged looking Michael.  If this person was having these surgeries and taking medications to keep them thin and keep up appearances, they would HAVE to be under the care of a primary care physician. In comes Conrad Murray. He would just come during the nights when there was no staff there to take care of this double and look after him. Maybe Arnie K. was doing some of the procedures at the home and Conrad was ordering the propofol so that it could not be traced BACK to Arnold Klien. All of this shit was totally illegal and Michael knew it, but he also knew that this all had to be done in order to sell the lie. This is why Michael had TWO bedrooms and nobody was allowed in HIS room. I believe that the room that Conrad was in, was the room that this “double” was staying in…

So everything is set up, emails are being sent to make it look like Michael is acting crazy and drugged. Everything is being set up to set the stage for the “faked death”. I believe this is when it turned sinister. 

Somebody did the math and realized that Michael WOULD be worth more dead than alive. Michael had a plan to show the world the truth about the powers that be. That can’t happen. So another deal is struck up… One that  would make bad people MORE wealthy at the expense of Michael and one that would shut him up and keep him from exposing one of the biggest conspiracies of all times… That the media LIES about things.

This is what I believe happened:

Randy Philips has repeatedly told people that he was the last person to speak with Michael the night of the 24th as they were leaving.  We know that is a lie because Michael Bearden states that HE walked MJ to his car and was the last person to say goodbye to him. NOT ONLY THAT, Latoya is adamant that PRINCE let Randy Philips into that house that night BEFORE Michael got home.

I believe that Conrad Murray was already in that house when Randy came because he was tending to this man that needed a doctor. He might have just been setting up for Arnold to come and do a final procedure  , but I believe he left out of that room for a significant amount of time. This is an estate, the house is HUGE and who KNOWS what he was doing. During that time it is my belief that Randy Philips or somebody else slipped into that room PUSHED  all of that propofol KILLING that man. And there is SO much evidence that points to this. It was stated that there was so much propofol that it was coming out of the eye corneas. I believe that this was done and Randy or the murderer SLIPPED out.  Conrad Murray came back and saw that this body was dead and I believe Michael returned at the same time. I believe  that house was turned upside down in pandemonium and Michael probably completely freaked out because NOBODY was supposed to die. So, im certain that all of the important players in this were called to the house and it was decided that Michael had to GET OUT OF THERE. They probably reassured him that everything would be taken care of and figured out but for now he had to go along with it because they would all get in so much trouble and possibly go to jail. THIS ladies and GENTS is exactly I believe that we see surveillance video of Michael coming home that night, but anything AFTER was “suddenly erased”. Give me a break. It was erased because it shows ALL of those people coming to that house and it shows Michael Jackson LEAVING.

When paramedics arrived the bedroom was like 80 degrees in the middle of summer. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that they were trying to keep that body warm because it had sat for so long.  I believe that Michael’s children knew about the faked death that was supposed to happen but they were not expecting what had actually happened. This is why Paris was screaming when she saw this “double” who looked just like her father on the floor. She may have thought it was actually him. I don’t think any of what happened was disclosed to these children until they were at the hospital but I will be getting into all of that when im proving this.

After Michael was calm, I think that he was convinced that everything was ok and that Conrad Murray did something bad and  HE (Murray) would take the fall. That Michael just needed to go with the plans for a few days while they figure out what to do about Conrad Murray. So Michael agreed and he attended his own memorial service as planned and pretty much went along with everything including appearing as Dave Dave the night of burial. I think he just kept being told to “hold on” or “hold off” because it was going to work out, but they had to wait to see what would happened to Murray.  Michael didn’t realize that the longer he stayed away, the more difficult it would be to come back because it was becoming a legal thing.

Michael must have realized that he wouldn’t be able to return because a murder whether accidental or not had been committed and he would never be able to explain to the world what the plan was. Nobody would believe him and of course everybody official had lied so much already, they couldnt risk the legal ramifications. But I do believe he tried to figure out ways to come back but was constantly threatened. Everything that he earned post houmus was going into a trust for his children. He also realized as time went on that they were able to live a more stable life without always being bombarded with people. These people that manipulated him somehow convinced him in those first like two years that this was for the best. Especially after Conrad Murray was convicted and went to prison.

I think he sat on that, but was bitter. I think that “Michael” was an album that he was going to release after his “hoax”, but he refused to complete it so they had to use Jason Malachi.  I believe that “Xscape” is something he was working on during the Invincible time, but they found it and tried to bring it as something new. Xscape is very important in why Michael wanted out of the industry to begin with, but I will tell you guys more about that another time…

I think that Michael had enough of the bullshit and was actually planning on coming forward with everything during the AEG trial. I think he was ready to deal with any kind of consequences, but he realized that leaving his kids and the current state of his fanbase (The fakes, The fighting, The horrible behavior) was just sad. He knew people would say horrible lies about him during that AEG trial to save their own asses and he wasn’t going to let that happen to his legacy and be remembered by the world that way.

The moment he put into motion a plan for return, the whole WADE R scandal broke… And he realized that these people would use anything as leverage to keep him away and not implicate themselves in this whole scandal.

Guys, I truly believe that is why Paris tried to kill herself. I think he or someone told her that Michael could never return and it destroyed her. I think that it pushed her to  wanting to die and she tried to take her life. Perhaps after that he bent the rules somewhat and she was able to spend that year with him, I don’t know.

There are many holes in this that I have to figure out. I think Michael’s “Death Hoax” and the actual “deception” that happened are two very different things.  There is a HUGE story to tell that leads up to all of this and my goal is to try to break it down for you guys along the way. But this is the premise of what I really think happened. It explains why SO many things don’t add up and are so sloppy. Somebody double crossed Michael out of greed and it fucked everything up. I intend to prove it. Stay tuned…

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Other Odd Things / Is this MJ voice in video?
« on: February 19, 2015, 02:31:42 PM »
Omar Bhatti posted this video on Instagram 2 months ago and someone shared it yesterday on facebook. I heard and many other believers heard what sounds to be like MJ voice at the end of the video. If you are not listening really really carefully you will miss it. He says something about Paris. The voice is low but sounds just like his. I had to turn it up very loud and listen 3 times before I could catch it. What do you think?  :icon_eek:

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Other Odd Things / Robson/Safechuck case dismissed?
« on: February 03, 2015, 08:45:11 PM »
From Pearl Jr today:

Tom Mesereau and I had a long discussion today. But first I'd like to say even though we disagree about the MJ death hoax, we are mature enough to put MJ first and have good and friendly discussions.

Well I asked Tom why would there no longer be no records matching for the Robson/Safechuck case? He said it is probably because the case was settled and/or dismissed. So it looks like the Robson/Safechuck ordeal is OVER! BUT WHY? I will let Tom explain for himself his reasons why and he said he'd do that on his upcoming interview on King Jordan radio show next week.

I have my own reason, which are independent from Tom's and NOT words from Tom but I did express them with him and he told me what his reasons are but I don't want to say what he will say next week.

Just know that when I think of anything MJ, I think about it under the belief that he is dead and/or ALIVE so I stay balanced, fair and open-minded.

My belief the case MIGHT have been settled is not because the Estate believes MJ is guilty of molesting anyone, it would be due to the death hoax. While watching the happenings of the case, I believe Robson/Safechuck's attorney PROBABLY studied the 1000's of clues MJ left for us and due to the quite obvious multitude of evidence and proof MJ is alive, that attorney INCLUDED MJ as a defendant in their lawsuit, which could quite easily turn into criminal charges, in which MJ would be breaking the law if he knew the law was looking for him and to run from the law when you are really ALIVE would be breaking the law, therefore FORCING MJ OUT OF HIDING when he hasn't yet finished with this adventure.

By the way, there is the possibility that it was dismissed because Robson/Safechuck's attorney dropped their claims but if so, I think the estate might not have kept the result quiet that there is no longer any record matching that case number. Furthermore it is quite possible money changed hands because lawyers settle without going to trial for a variety of reasons: One being avoiding the embarrassment of horrible lies like sodomy and a marriage ceremony that Robson and Safechuck have reportedly claimed.

I will send Branca a request to explain the status of the Robson/Safechuck case. Let's see if he will answer me--very doubtful.

Just my two cents!

Tbh, I never believed any of this from day 1. I really don't. But I wonder who was behind it? And I wonder if "they" were trying to scare MJ out of hiding? God knows I am soooooo impatient and near ready to have some answers to all of this :michael_jackson-1135:

Other Odd Things / Probate Case Trial?
« on: February 02, 2015, 05:19:40 PM »
Not exactly sure what is going on. But according to Pearl Jr:

Not sure what TRIAL is to begin December 7, 2015 but calls it a "status conference".

There are 2 case numbers attached to this case. BC508258 is for lawsuit of Broderick Morris which stems from a trip MJ took in 2006 to Japan under the guidance of Raymone Bain. Last I heard Raymone has attached herself to this lawsuit. I believe Broderick is claiming he did more for MJ's career and wants money for it, what else right?

BC508502 is the Robson/Safechuck case number and courts states "NO MATCH FOUND" for this case number. I was told it was sealed by a court clerk but that was before the last hearing. Not sure what is going on with this but it, TOO, is bizarre.  Here is the pic of the info

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Michael JOSEPH Jackson huh?
I don't know what to make of any of this anymore.....

Other Odd Things / Katherine Jackson loses appeal today
« on: January 30, 2015, 05:43:02 PM »
Katherine Jackson has lost her appeal against AEG Live.

California's Court of Appeals today affirmed a jury's 2013 judgment in Jackson's wrongful death suit and awarded AEG costs on appeal.

"Today in a strongly worded opinion, the California Court of Appeal agreed with what a unanimous jury found: AEG was in no way responsible for the tragic death of Michael Jackson?," AEG Attorney Marvin Putnam told ABC News in a statement.

Katherine Jackson and her three grandchildren, Prince, Paris, and Blanket, sued AEG Live in 2010, claiming the company was negligent in hiring the King of Pop's doctor, Dr. Conrad Murray.

AEG Live Not Liable for Michael Jackson's Death, Jury Rules

Why Katherine Jackson Is Happy About the AEG Live Victory

Murray was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in 2011 for administering a fatal dose of propofol to the singer two years before.

However, the court wrote, "We agree with the trial court that Dr. Murray was an independent contractor as a matter of law."

"The evidence fails to establish a triable issue that AEG had the right to control the manner and means of Dr. Murray's treatment of Michael," the opinion continued. "AEG never instructed Dr. Murray on how to treat Michael, and no evidence was presented that AEG had the right to control Dr. Murray's treatment of Michael."

An attorney for the Jackson family did not immediately comment on the appeal.

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Well, tbh, I am not surprised in the least. I wonder if there was ever even a real court proceeding on this to begin with?

Other Odd Things / Strange Stuff From the LA County Coroner Website
« on: January 08, 2015, 08:32:02 PM »
From the LA County Medical Examiner Website:

The Department of Medical Examiner-Coroner is mandated by law to inquire into and determine the circumstances, manner, and cause of all violent, sudden, or unusual deaths occurring within Los Angeles County, including all homicides, suicides, accidental deaths, and natural deaths where the decedent has not seen a physician within 20 days prior to death.  :omg:  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

So does that mean that no autopsy was performed on the "body" that was found on 6/25/2009? Tbh, I am not even sure there was ever a body. But who knows.

Now here is the weird part. Who is this unclaimed body? Look at the 3rd name that this person is known by.  :WTF:

Why does the age match up to MJ age in 2007? Even the height is the same in inches.. 5'10=70 inches.   :icon_e_surprised:

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Lastly, when you type in the name Michael Jackson, this is what comes up:

Number--Decedent's Name--Age--Place of Death--Date of Birth--Date of Death

1991-00712 MICHAEL JACKSON 1 mo 15 da  N/A 12/07/1990 01/22/1991
1996-06358 MICHAEL JACKSON 36 years  ML KING 05/17/1960 08/26/1996
2001-06463 MICHAEL JACKSON 45 years  RESIDENCE 02/17/1956 09/04/2001
2002-09108 MICHAEL JACKSON 42 years  PARK 07/26/1960 12/05/2002
2010-04535 MICHAEL JACKSON 58 years  HOSPITAL 12/11/1951 07/10/2010
2013-03314 MICHAEL JACKSON 42 years  RESIDENCE 06/29/1970 05/05/2013
2014-02800 MICHAEL JACKSON 40 years  RESIDENCE 12/16/1973 04/21/2014

So "7" other Michael Jacksons have died in the area huh?

So, why is there absolutely no listing for Michael Jackson, King of Pop? If there are listings for people that died in the 90s and up; then why no  :michael_jackson-1135:?

And is it not weird that all of these people with his name have died in LA County? This is so strange to me.

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Other Odd Things / New Commercial. Hoax Related? Clues? omg!!!!!
« on: January 02, 2015, 12:24:16 AM »
Has anyone seen this new commercial on tv? i saw it last week. the movie theater reminds me of Thriller. But listen to the names of the people lol. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login   :omg: :omg: :omg: :omg: :LolLolLolLol: :screaming-7365:

but the weirdest thing of all is that i was watching tv tonight and the commercial came on, but its now been changed. only Janet is called lol. why would the commercial be changed and edited to take out the other name? trying to find the new version online. can anyone help find the edited version?  :WTF:

Ok, the guy that plays the Usher in the commercials name is Austin J.M. Ross  :icon_razz: :icon_razz:

Here is where it gets weird. The Mucinex guy is Roger Jackson. Born August 29, 1958. He has also done some Puppetmaster play and other stuff at the Apollo Theatre.  :icon_e_surprised: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

There is no way all of this is a coincidence. This guy supposedly has done ALOT of extensive work in Hollywood, but yet, there is only 1 pic of him. Even in the comments and forums on the IMDB is asking why there are no pics of him all the way back in 2007. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Ok, so tonight, I am left thinking wth is really going on and who is Roger Jackson? And why is he voicing a commercial like this? And the usher just happens to have the first name of MJ nephew, the middle initials of MJ reversed and Diana Ross' last name. This is no coincidence. Someone wanted us to see that commercial BEFORE it was edited.

Other Odd Things / Garvin Arvizo wedding
« on: November 14, 2014, 07:09:16 PM »
One day he told me, ‘God forgive me, and don’t tell Katherine I ever said this, but I hate that kid. I so hate that kid…Part of me thinks that’s not right. You shouldn’t hate. But then I think, I can’t help it. I hate that kid for what he did to me. My therapist is telling me that I need to get real and feel what I feel, not suppress it like I usually do. Well, how I feel is that I hate that kid. I do.'”-Michael Jackson, as quoted in The Magic, The Madness, The Whole Story 1958-2009 by J. Randy Taraborrelli.

For a man who befriended hundreds of children in his lifetime, who helped thousands; who donated millions of dollars to charitable children’s causes; who worked tirelessly most of his adult life to promote causes that benefitted children; who advocated for children’s rights to the point that his dedication became almost saint-like in its zeal, Gavin Arvizo has a unique distinction among them. He just may be the only child Michael Jackson ever admitted to hating, at least if we are to believe this account related by Taraborelli. Admittedly, it’s a second-hand account passed on from a source who “claims” to have heard it straight from the man, but nevertheless, I don’t doubt its authenticity. Michael was no saint, after all, and after what he was put through by Gavin Arvizo and his scheming family, he certainly had every reason to hate “that kid.”

But today, I want to take a look at what transpired in this so-called friendship even before it got to that point. There exists a persistent media myth of Michael as a man who had many “special friends” among a select group of boys. There is some partial truth mixed into the myth. Michael did form many enduring friendships with some of the young men who idolized him-friendships that lasted well into these young mens’ adulthoods, despite some claims that he tended to lose interest as the boys matured. Over the years, a lot of twisted beliefs have been purported regarding those friendships, but I’m standing by a firm belief, based both on strong theory and fact, that the nature of these friendships have been much exaggerated. However, that is a topic I will take up again when I resume the Wade Robson series.

Aside From Feeling Sorry For Him Because He Had Cancer, All Indications Seem To Point Towards Gavin Arvizo As A Kid Whom Michael Didn't Even Particularly LIKE-Let Alone Molest!
 Aside From Feeling Sorry For Him Because He Had Cancer, All Indications Seem To Point Towards Gavin Arvizo As A Kid Whom Michael Didn’t Even Particularly LIKE-Let Alone Molest!

However, if we look at the history of his acquaintance with the Arvizo family, it becomes apparent that Gavin Arvizo was never a “special friend” of Michael’s. In fact, based on what I have come to know, I believe it is entirely reasonable to assume that this was never a kid that Michael even particularly liked; a kid he never wished to even get close to, let alone one he would have ever attempted to molest. That may sound cold, but based on what I have researched, what I have been told, and even from Gavin’s own words, I believe it is true. Aside from the fact that Michael paid for Gavin’s cancer treatment (a goodwill gesture Michael extended to many such kids in need) there doesn’t exist beyond that any proof that Michael much wanted anything to do with this kid-or his family-past that point. He was kind enough to pay for the boy’s treatments; he invited this family into his home when they had no place else to go; he even bought (or gave them) a car, which, like everything else, they then abused to the point that it was no longer serviceable.

In short, though Michael Jackson may have had many such close friends among the young boys of his acquaintance, Gavin Arvizo-the only kid to ever bring Michael Jackson to court-was not one of them. Ironic when you think about it. Maybe a little too ironic. Just maybe, that was part of the whole problem.

When Gavin Arvizo got married last November, an explosion of well-timed articles by notorious Michael Jackson hater Diane Dimond suddenly appeared in many major media outlets. I don’t have permission from Dimond to reprint her articles here (nor do I intend to seek it), but nor do I wish to give her the satisfaction of increasing traffic hits to her apologist propaganda for Gavin and this family, a family that she obviously chose to become personal friends with long ago, thus eradicating even the slightest veneer of objectivity on her part when it comes to this case. In short, I won’t be reprinting her lies here, nor linking to them. But that being said, most fans and regular readers here are familiar enough with the details of those articles, in which young Gavin was painted as a victim, as a brave survivor of cancer and child abuse; as a martyr and hero (the only “victim” courageous enough to take on Michael Jackson in court; a good religious boy so selfless that he refuses even now to take advantage of the “six figure” amounts he has supposedly been offered; a pure soul so forgiving that even when the wedding dj “unknowingly” plays a Michael Jackson song, he just shrugs it all off good-naturedly and continues to dance, as if to say, “Aw, shucks. Well, it’s all good.”

Geez, could we just hang a halo on this guy’s head and be done with already? I already feel like I need a barf bag, and those are just the highlights.

Would You Dance To The Music Of The Man Who Molested You? At Your Wedding?
 Would You Dance To The Music Of The Man Who Molested You? At Your Wedding?

But I will accede a few things about Gavin Arvizo. Yes, he is a cancer survivor, and I would certainly never begrudge any child who has survived cancer the right to a happily-ever-after end to his life. In fact, I hope he is able to achieve that (I am Christian enough to believe everyone deserves some measure of Grace, and Gavin Arvizo has had a pretty tough life). Yes, I believe he was a victim and an abused child-but not a victim of Michael Jackson. His abuse came at the hands of his own family, including a father who physically beat him and a con artist mother who manipulated him from an early age to lie for her. In fact, Gavin’s psychological abuse at the hands of his manipulative (and most likely mentally ill) mother was still causing him such emotional stress that as late as 2004, it was said that he still feared that “the bad people from JC Penney’s” would come to get him and his siblings (Janet had involved her kids in a lawsuit over an alleged sexual assault by JC Penney employees). And in July of 2007, a story ran in The New York Daily News that claimed Janet had turned her back on her son for apparently failing to do a better job of convincing the jury in 2005. However, oddly enough, the story has disappeared and no links given to it seem to work. I was only aware if it myself after reading this 2010 post from the Smoke and Mirrors website:

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However, it wouldn’t be a shocker for me if The New York Daily News has deleted the story. As always, the media has gone out of its way to protect the so-called “victims” of Michael Jackson, while thinking nothing of dragging Michael’s name through the mud-a fact even more interesting when you consider the media villification of Mia and Dylan Farrow, a subject that has already been hashed out on many blogs. Clearly, the idea that the media automatically sides with the perceived “victims” in these cases is a myth. It depends on who is being accused.

But given what we know of Janet Arvizo’s mental history, the story is most likely true. Oddly enough, Janet was not even mentioned in the wedding articles ( Did she even attend? Was she even invited?). If true, this would be in perfect keeping with the pattern that has emerged in both accusation cases, since Jordan Chandler effectively “divorced” himself from his parents and had very little to do with them after the ordeal of the Michael Jackson allegation.

Don't know if this has been shared before and I don't think its hoax related. I just think it says a lot about the whole accusation. All lies IMHO. If that were me and I'd been molested, I would've blown a fuse if MJ song came on and told the dj that he better put something else on.

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Other Odd Things / Michaels Collar
« on: September 15, 2014, 10:08:55 AM »
Michaels Collar: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Why does it look similar to President Obamas floor in the Oval Office at the White House?

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Also I wanted to point out that the artist that designed this cd cover was also commissioned to do an official portrait of Obama for the White House. hmmm.  :WTF:

Notice MJ pose on that cover. He has his hand over his heart like we do when we say the pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the US. Now I have been thinking for a long time about a connection here between this and the death "hoax".

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Im trying to make a connection to Obama meeting with the pope when MJ "died". The meeting seemed so secretive.

Plus, from that im trying to figure out why MJ wore so much Catholic symbolism to his trial. Future post coming on that too.

Also on the day that he "died" a law was passed here in the US that is considered the biggest threat to our freedom in this country. MJs death news was a distraction.

More to come on this when I get it all together.

Hate to say it, but this may not be a "ha ha" laughing hoax. This may be much deeper than we all think it is  :o

Other Odd Things / Was MJ at his own bday celebration on 8/29/14?!!!
« on: September 07, 2014, 10:39:43 PM »
OMG!!!! Was he actually at his own bday celebration on Aug 29, 2014 in Gary, Indiana? Lol. Check out the "man in black" that goes into the house. Is that not MJs profile, height, long legs, walk, etc. Look at the way he steps up onto the porch. I believe that's him in disguise with a wig, brown makeup and prosthetic nose maybe? Just look at him from the side, from behind. He stands out. He gives off a vibe.

Could it be that our MJ just can't stay away? Is he truly hiding in plain sight?  :th_bravo:

Somebody that was at the celebration shared this video.

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Other Odd Things / Was this Michaels message to us? Creepy
« on: September 06, 2014, 11:56:09 AM »
This was shared with me by a friend from another hoax site. I am NOT the author of this:

This blog post is going to be a little different than what you are use to. I've decided to take an unconventional approach towards investigation and I hope you all can take something really important from this. The information that I will present to you has been around for years, but I've noticed that no one has really mentioned it before, at least not in conjunction with the hoax. Now, with the release of Xscape, it all seems to come together and really make sense. Before I get into the main point of this blog, I'm going to present some pertinent back story. I promise that it will all come together and make sense. Please note that I have inserted relevant links throughout the post. Check them out if you'd like some more information.

 For those that don't know me, I'm a HUGE fan of video games, so just about anything to do with them is exciting to me. Now, I also know that Michael is a pretty big video game fan, too! He loved games so much that he partnered up with Sega for the release of Michael Jackson's Moonwalker the video game for home consoles. It was loosely based on the movie and involves Michael using his dance moves to make enemies dance and save the kidnapped children from the evil Mr. Big. The soundtrack of the game uses samples from Smooth Criminal, Beat It, Another Part of Me, Thriller, and Bad. This is important because Michael worked closely with the development of this game and I believe that he wouldn't have signed off on it if he wasn't pleased with any aspect of it, including the sound.

Here's where things begin to get interesting. Michael was also a fan of Sonic the Hedgehog and was interested in helping with the soundtrack of the 3rd game. Sega eagerly brought him onto the project where he and the other sound producers worked on composing the music. Long story short, something happened and Michael walked away from the project uncredited. There's a ton of conflicting stories as to what happened. Some say that Sega dropped him over the child molestation charges that arose in 1993. Others say that Michael was dissatisfied with the sound quality and left the project himself. I'm not going to dwell too much as to what happened.

Brad Buxer was involved in this project as well as a sound engineer, interestingly enough. He actually gave an interview about Michael's involvement in the game in 2009.

The link that I've embedded gives a very comprehensive back story about what happened, for those that are interested. Personally, I want to believe that Michael did not like the sound quality and just didn't want to be a part of the project anymore. Curiously enough, the songs that he apparently worked on were still included in the game and some even have strong similarities to Michael's music. For example, the end credits sounds eerily similar to Stranger in Moscow and the chord progressions of Ice Cap Zone, when sped up, sound like Who Is It. If you find this subject interesting, check out this video!

The point I'm trying to make is that he willingly chose what he did and did not want to be a part of. This brings me to the main point of this post.

Have you all heard of a game called Space Channel 5? It's a lesser known gem that came out in the early 2000s for the Sega Dreamcast. It was later re-released as a two disc set for the Playstation 2 in America. I think that now it's available via Xbox Live and PSN, but I digress. It takes place 500 years in the future and stars a young reporter named Ulala as she investigates an alien invasion that is taking place. A group of aliens, called Morolians, are forcing people to dance and it's up to Ulala to save them as she's reporting. As she digs deeper, all the while competing with rival news reporters from different channels, Ulala discovers that things are not as they seem. In fact, she discovers that the chief of Space Channel 5, Chief Blank, is the mastermind of it all. He brainwashed the Morolians, causing the entire fiasco, for the ratings!! He said that he does not care for the truth and that the whole point of broadcast television is to obtain the highest ratings. He believes that all reporters should feel the same way that he does! Fortunately, Ulala, with support from the general public and even her rival reporters, all join their song and dance energy to defeat him.

That's a pretty heavy message to throw into a video game, I think, but it's a necessary one. It gets better though.

Can you imagine how surprised the team involved in this must have felt when Michael Jackson asked to be involved in this project? Unfortunately, the game was mostly complete by the time he had asked so he was only featured as a cameo.

On her way to confronting Chief Blank, Ulala has to save Space Michael who is being forced to dance by the Morolians. She outsmarts them and is able to heal them to join her side of the battle. I should note that before she found out about the brainwashing, Ulala simply vaporized the aliens, but upon realizing that they did not have control of their actions, she reconfigured her blaster to heal instead of harm. So, anyway, if you manage to save him, Space Michael joins Ulala in confronting the chief and the game progresses.

As a side note, Space Michael's character biography states that he saved the Earth from an alien invasion 500 years prior to this event with the power of his voice and dance moves. Also, his power of song and dance transcends time and space. Interesting...

Now, fast forward a little bit. Space Channel 5 Part 2 was released in Japan, but saw a very quiet North American release a few years later. So quiet, that I was surprised to see it in a store for $5 about 4 years ago. Having been a fan of the first one, I eagerly bought it without a second thought.

So the premise of this game is that a few years after the Morolian invasion, Ulala is confronted by a group known as the Rhythm Rogues which are led by a man named Purge. They kidnap President Peace, the president of the entire galaxy who is known for his powerful voice which unifies people, and once again force civilians to dance. Once again, it's up to Ulala and her crew, led by Space Channel 5's new chief, Space Michael, to save the galaxy with the power of song and dance.

As you can already tell, they gave Michael a much bigger role in this game, mostly because the developers had more time to work with him. He remains in contact with Ulala, up until the point when Space Channel 5 is under attack and he's kidnapped. Once Ulala saves him, he's present for the rest of the game and even becomes a vital part of the team. There are even certain levels where you use his voice to combat Purge. Later on, he can be found encouraging Ulala to keep going during the final battle.

In this case, Purge, the main antagonist, forces people to dance for him because he thinks that people are stupid and unhappy and don't really know what they want. So, because he thinks he knows what's best for society, he forced people to dance for his own amusement.

So.... we have the first game which is about the importance of truth in reporting and the second one is about the misuse of song, dance, and music. Makes you think, doesn't it?

Also, I think it's just interesting to look at the names of some of the characters:

Purge- the villain who wants to "purge" people of their free will, the ability to think for oneself. He holds himself to such a high standard and is apparently of a higher socioeconomic standard, too. He believes everyone else is below him and that he knows the true path towards happiness: by corrupting music and dance and brainwashing the masses.

President Peace- the president of the galaxy, a leader whose song of peace unites the entire galaxy together as one. Apparently his power of song is stronger than Michael's! Purge kidnaps him and intends to corrupt the President's voice power for his own selfish reasons.

And the biggest thing... Michael becoming the new chief for Space Channel 5 so he has control of how news is delivered! You can't get any clearer than that!

Another point: so I didn't realize this until a couple months ago, but I've noticed some people saying this song called "Space Dance" is an unreleased Michael Jackson song that was supposed to be on Invincible. I gave it a listen to and realized that it's actually the music that plays during Space Channel 5: Part 2's Report 4- Save Space Michael the Office Chief! Note: This is a 20 minute video and Michael doesn't appear until around 5:46 and he's there until 17:13 (past this point, you get to see how powerful dance power is), but I encourage you to watch it because I will mention something about this part later. Michael's audio is lower than everyone's so be sure to turn up your volume a bit to hear him.

However.... I recently came across a version of this "Space Dance" song with legit Michael vocals/beat boxing on it. To me it sounds like an unused promo for the video game more than anything (especially because he says "I'll see you soon in Space Channel 5" at the end). I'm probably late to this party, but I never really knew that people legitimately believe it's a stand alone song.

I mentioned earlier that there's a point in both games where Michael is kidnapped and brainwashed to dance and you have to save him. Think about this. WE have to save HIM from an entity that is forcing him to dance! And once we do, he fights by our side. In the first game, if you fail, that's just it, no second chances. He remains a brainwashed dancer. In the second, if you don't save him, you fail the game. Then he guides Ulala throughout the rest of the game.

Now here's something else that's crazy! In the game, Ulala's name is pronounced "ooh-la-la." Michael pronounces it properly in the first game, but in the second game, he continually calls her "You-la-la." Pay attention in the above video clip of Report 4. People didn't think much of it since he's known to incorrectly pronounce some things, but I really think I finally get it. He did it on purpose. He's literally talking to US! There's a point where he says "Ulala, it's time to shout!" and they do a duet, using their voices to combat Purge. It made me think about his song Shout, specifically the words. I'm not sure if this was done on purpose, but each time you have to sing, Michael urges you to SHOUT, not to just sing!

And finally one more interesting point: The last scene in each game has everyone walking or dancing across the galaxy together on a pathway made of stars. The credits of the game are dedicated "for all the people who want peace in the universe."

Such a shame this game is so relatively obscure. It had a powerful message! If you all are interested, I strongly encourage you to either purchase this game and play through it or to watch a play through of both part 1 and 2 on YouTube. There may be things that I'm missing because I haven't played this game in so long.

The following is just for completion's sake. These are other games that Michael was involved in and although they may not be relevant, I still think it's good to at least mention them. If anyone has information regarding them, I'll be more than happy to hear!

Michael wanted to be involved in Space Channel 5 and he even lent his voice to it, indicating that he took the time and effort to be a full part of it. This is important because his likeness was used as a secret character in a boxing game called Ready 2 Rumble: Round 2, but he did not record his voice for it, instead having someone else do the voice work. He even did the motion capture work for this particular game.

Here's something I found funny, though.

So as the game loads between matches, there will usually be a screen showing a picture of the boxer, their name, and their general stats.
When a player chooses Michael, this is what it says:

Michael Jackson
Hometown: Gary, Indiana
Age: Unknown
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 125 lbs
Reach: 74"

So according to this (if we decide to accept these measurements as the truth because I doubt the developers cared about accuracy), back in 2000 when this game came out, a 42 year old Michael was pretty underweight for his height. But this was also around the same time as the 30th Anniversary Concert he had at Madison Square Garden. I'm probably stretching too much with this, but I just found it funny that Michael's build in the game is slightly bulkier than the skinniest guy in the game who is 5'11" and weighs 128 lbs. They both should be underweight for their heights! But like I said, I might just be nitpicking at this point, so you can gloss over this. I don't really think this matters. Just having Michael in the game was pretty funny to begin with; his taunts and lines had me laughing hysterically!

Moving right along, this brings me to Planet Michael and Michael Jackson: The Experience. I looked into Planet Michael a bit more and found out that it was originally supposed to be out in 2012. It was supposed to be a free-to-play massively multi-player online role-playing game (MMORPG) where gamers and fans alike could be united through music, dance and charity. Apparently some of the things we do in game would have real life consequences, resulting in a donation to charity or some other humanitarian work. It's interesting that the website is still up and running despite there being no more updates: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login. It's a shame that it never happened, but I guess the Estate and SEE Virtual Worlds were promising too much. I'd like to think that there's something important we should take away from the ideals of this game though.

Sadly, I can't say the same for Michael Jackson: The Experience because I played that game with fangirl goggles on (at least I'm honest). About MJTE, the one consistent thing that has annoyed me about this game (besides some of the song choices and overall lack of extra songs), has been the Wikipedia page. Like this game was milked to every console possible to the point that any old person just went on there and said "Oh yeah, so this version will have songs x, y, and z, while the others won't." Like, seriously? It makes me wonder if the Wikipedia page looks that way because Ubisoft (the company in charge) planned to have downloadable content, but it got scrapped due to poor reception of the game. Or they just like to encourage false stories that were so rampant in Michael's life. I did notice that Money was wrongly credited to be on Blood on the Dance Floor instead of HIStory. That's quite the glaring mistake for the developers to leave in the game. Also, it's interesting that no matter what era the song was made, Michael appears to be lighter skinned. For example, when choosing Thriller, Michael has lighter skin, but is otherwise dressed as he was in the video. And finally, the game includes a section where you can learn some of Michael's most iconic dances from various songs. They have three choreographers, Travis Payne, Maryss from Paris, and Brahim. We all know who Travis is, but maybe we should take a look at the other two.


I came across a video which confirmed Michael's involvement in Sonic the Hedgehog 3. Just like I speculated, he left the project because he did not like the audio quality of the Genesis. So he left his music in the game and just refused to be credited. This just really helps to drive the point home that Michael really did pick and choose his business investments very carefully. He wouldn't lend his name to a project if he wasn't proud of it or at least passionate. Please keep that in mind when going through Space Channel 5. I feel as if that game was something that really excited him.

Alright, so I'm actually going to take a serious look at Michael Jackson: The Experience. The first song that I'll start with is Money, because it's the cheapest song in the entire game because the sensor never recognizes the movements. Check out the link to watch the dance routine.

So, besides the overall cheapness, the biggest thing that got to me is the portion where you're trying to hit those two gold moves: when Michael does the sign of the cross towards the end of the song.

If you notice, the point of the game is to mirror Michael's dance moves, particularly the movements of your right hand. You can literally stand there and just move your right hand about with the remote and you'll be fine.

Now, what's interesting here is that because you have to mirror Michael's hand movements, you virtually end up performing the sign of the cross backwards in the sense that you have to bring your hand to the right shoulder and then the left instead of the usual left and then right shoulder movement that Western Christians are accustomed to. I did a little digging and discovered that this right to left movement is common in the Eastern Orthodox Church.

Check out this Wiki article about the sign of the cross

It's truly fascinating stuff. Now consider this. Imagine that you're holding the Wii-mote (or PS3 Move controller) in your right hand. Give it a try with a TV remote control. Do you notice the position of your fingers? I'm going to assume that your index and middle fingers are touching your thumb in some fashion. It's almost like the way the Eastern Orthodox Christians make their sign of the cross! I hope I'm making some type of connection here... or maybe I'm a weirdo that holds the Wii-mote wrong, but we'll see how it goes.

Anyway, I'll continue looking into other songs in the game and I'll get back to you all with my findings.

Honestly, if you made it this far, thank you for taking the time to read this lengthy blog post. I hope you enjoyed yourself! I'm looking forward to seeing what you all have to say about this. =)

Other Odd Things / MJ spotted alive video?
« on: September 05, 2014, 09:14:44 PM »
Don't know if this has been discussed here before but I saw it on another hoax group and thought I would post it here. Not sure I believe its real. But idk. Why would he be out in public like that? Or maybe he figured that nobody would believe he would be out in public right. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Other Odd Things / What i hear in Xscape lyrics!!!!
« on: September 05, 2014, 09:06:50 PM »
ok so I finally broke down and bought the Xscape album a few weeks ago. I never bought the "Michael" cd because something just didn't rub me right regarding it. But I thought it was weird how heavily this new album seemed to be promoted. So I caved and bought it. I love it. Especially Chicago and Do You Know Where Your Children Are? So I know that he tends to hide lyrics in his songs and some songs even have dual meanings. I listened to the cd at least 100 times before I noticed some spoken lyrics in a couple of songs.

1. Do You Know Where Your Children Are:

He's talking about the little girl thru the first and second verses. Then suddenly in the bridge he says:

" Save Me" but next lyric is inaudible
"Save Me, I'm tired of the life"
"Save Me, I, I wanna go"
"Save Me" then inaudible
"Save Me, I, I wanna leave"

Does NOT fit in with the song whatsoever. None of the adlibs or lyrics that I highlighted in red are written in the lyrics part of the book that came with the cd. That's so weird to me. When I finally heard this, I started the song over 6 times. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. If you are not paying attention, you can miss it. But once you're aware, it is very clear. It broke my heart to hear this. Was he truly asking somebody to help him. His voice seemed so sincere.  :'(

2. Xscape

I have to be honest, this song had to grow on me. But after listening to it a few times. Towards the end of the song, he says:

"I got to get away with my mother, with my mother"   :omg:

Those words are not written in the lyrics in the book either. What could it mean? I thought about the whole Katherine Jackson being kidnapped story last year that was reported in the media. Anyone care to elaborate or chime in?

Other Odd Things / Disney and latest MJ Connection!!! Must See
« on: July 31, 2014, 10:38:13 PM »
Lately I have been watching a lot of the Disney Channel on tv with my kids. Well I was watching the show called Jessie last night and I glanced at the tv for a second and I was shocked to see the main character wearing what I know is a shirt with MJ on her shirt. Well it was so weird because on her shirt it looks like MJ has his back turned. I know that mans profile anywhere. Looks like him from Dirty Diana. But on the back of his shirt are the words "ANY WAY". I was like wth? Even my kids said its him. From his hair down to his belt. But its almost like she was trying to hide it, but not hide it. The episode is called "Wheres Zuri". You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login. Anyone see it?

Then last week I was watching the show Dog with a Blog and I see the dog moonwalking and saying "he he" on 2 separate occasions in one episode Episode titled "don't Karl us, we'll call you" You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

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