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Hi guys!

When I noticed all of these news stories of the Jackson family, I immediately thought of you guys and was extremely curious what your input was in this situation from your perspective. Due to my busy schedule, I haven't been following the news that closely so unfortunately, I really have no detailed answer to the subject's question but I am curious, why do you think all of this is happening in the family right now so publicly?

Well, on second of thought, I guess I do have some general vague possible reasons:

1) One big fat distraction to something much deeper going on
2) To test the fans to see if they can discern fact from fiction-- "Truth will prevail"
3) To slowly unveil what really happened and all the parties involved. Jermaine said it will all come out
4) To mess with the media to show how easy it is to manipulate the media and for the media to manipulate the public to believe in lies

Also, is anyone else surprise how quiet LaToya seems to be in this whole ordeal? She's normally very vocal. It may not mean much but just something I picked up on. 

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Michael Jackson News / Heavy D died @ 44 years old!
« on: November 08, 2011, 07:27:11 PM »
11/8/2011 2:16 PM PST BY TMZ STAFF
Heavy D
Dead at 44

5:12 PM:  An associate of Heavy D's just told us the rapper had pneumonia.

4:28 PM:  Law enforcement tell TMZ ... Heavy D had just returned from shopping and walked up some stairs when he began having trouble breathing.  Adam Mills, a designer who was in the building and knew Heavy D, found him leaning against a railing and clearly in distress.  Adam tells us he cradled Heavy D in his lap as others called 911.  Adam says Heavy D was conscious and said to him, "I can't breathe, I can't breathe."  When paramedics took Heavy D to the hospital he had a pulse.  People in the building are saying he died of a heart attack, but we have not been able to confirm that.  Law enforcement sources tell us ... no foul play was involved and so far they only know the cause of death was "medical."

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Rap legend Heavy D -- one of the most influential rappers of the '90s -- died earlier today ... TMZ has learned.

Heavy D -- real name Dwight Arrington Myers -- was rushed to an L.A. hospital around noon today ... and was pronounced dead at the hospital at 1 PM. He was 44 years old.

We've learned a 911 call was placed from Heavy's Beverly Hills home around 11:25 AM to report an unconscious male on the walkway .

When help arrived, we're told Heavy D was conscious and speaking -- and was transported to a nearby hospital.

He died a short time later.

Cops are investigating the death -- and so far, there are no obvious signs of foul play. Police are currently at the home.

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Heavy D had several massive hits -- including "Now That We Found Love." He also wrote and performed the theme song for "In Living Color" ... and appeared as an actor in the movie "Life."

Heavy just performed at the Michael Jackson Tribute Concert in Wales on October 8. He sang "Jam" with La Toya Jackson -- and rocked it (video below).

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Eddie F -- one of the founding members of Heavy D & the Boyz -- issued a heartfelt statement about his longtime friend ... saying, "We were only young kids out of high school when we got into the game just wanting to make fun music filled with love and excitement."

"We always had so much fun as a group. I cherish all the happy times we had together while unknowingly helping to build the movement and legacy we call Uptown Records" ... adding, "I love you Hev and we all will miss you so much."

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Random MJ Talk / Important Message on Army of LOVE from Earnest Valentino
« on: November 06, 2011, 11:49:55 AM »
I found this randomly while looking at videos on YouTube and it really stood out to me because I think we need to be reminded on the central message that was repeatedly stated in the movie This Is It and what Michael repeatedly put into his music and art and that message is love, L.O.V.E. I think we sometimes forget this key message while we investigate and discuss this adventure that we've been on for so long. Also, we oftentimes forget this message in our day to day lives. We can truly change the world by simple acts of kindness. It can go a lonnnnng way. With that said, I hope you enjoy the video below.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zOdGlZaO-c[/youtube]

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Howdy guys,

So I shared with you previously about some dreams I had with MJ and I thought I would just continue to share them. I had the pleasure of meeting Michael in a dream. I know not quite the same as meeting him in "real life" but great nonetheless.

It started with me, a friend or cousin of mines (not sure which) and her friend (who I think already met and hung out with MJ because she seemed mighty comfortable). My friend/cousin looked sort of like Ananda Lewis (here's a pic of her, very pretty woman: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login) and her friend looked like someone that I knew from high school. Anyway, we were waiting in a lobby. I think the lobby was located in one of the side buildings of Neverland. It was definitely not the main entrance because the lobby area was much smaller. I think there was also a bodyguard down there as well but he didn't say anything to us as we were waiting for Michael to come down from upstairs via an elevator that was located to our right. And as we were waiting and sitting, we were talking about going to this Halloween party and the friend of my friend/cousin asked me what's wrong because I was sort of pouty but I explained to her it was because I was very tired (which was true in the dream).

After a little while, the bodyguard began to approach the elevator so we knew he was coming down so we got up out of our seats and waited by the elevator. I was so excited but I kept my cool MUCH better than I would if this was really happening.  :lol: So the elevator opened up and there goes Michael in front of my face, looking adorable in a red shirt. I am not sure if he was wearing red pants or not but his hair and outfit was very similar to what he looks like in this video (towards the middle/end of the video):

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slPLWspJtrs[/youtube]

He was acting similarly to how he was acting in the above video as well. He was very nice and humble and somewhat shy. He was actually acting like the way I would normally act when I first meet someone. However in this dream, I was much more outgoing with him to hide my nerves but to also, ironically, make him feel comfortable with me. It didn't help that my little black dress I was wearing was totally screwed up when the elevator doors opened. (I have no idea how this happened but this is a dream...doesn't have to make sense lol). I even joked to him about it, saying I am sorry I am meeting you half naked because my dress was a mess. One side was hiked up too high and was bulky like I bunched up one side and it stayed in that position. And also, one strap of my dress was hanging off my shoulder...actually I didn't even have it on because my full arm was out and my bra was showing on the right side. (I hope this is making sense...hard to explain with words...let's just say, I was a sight to behold. :lol:)

Of course, I didn't realize my dress was like this until he came out and he wouldn't really look my way like he was trying to avoid eye contact with me but then when I made the joke about my dress, he quickly offered his help by walking up to me on my right side (I was still calm...amazing I tell you lol) and helping me put on my right strap correctly. He wasn't staring at my bra (at least I don't think so lol). He was such a gentleman and I said thank you afterwards and I hugged him.

Now, when I hugged him, he was doing something really weird with his breaths. It's hard to explain but it seemed like he was making it sound like he was crying and then when we got out of the hug, he shyly smiled and said "Just kidding". I was the only one who caught the just kidding and asked to hug him again to make sure I wasn't hearing things with his breaths. He obliged to the second hug and this time, I didn't hear a thing but no one was paying attention to us. They were having their side conversations while we were having our moment. I then tried to explain to him why I hugged him the second time to make sure he was joking about his strange breaths in the first hug but we were interrupted by someone from the home and then I woke up.

I hope this makes sense because it's hard to explain everything but yup, I can finally say I met Michael...sorta.

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This Is It / How many impersonators said they were involved with TII?
« on: October 10, 2011, 07:44:55 PM »
I am noticing a pattern. I've been randomly watching impersonator interviews and two, so far, have mentioned being apart of the TII rehearsals or asked to be apart of the TII for "visuals". So far, I have found video of Michael Kiss and Navi stating this.

Michael Kiss
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG-YxsQ03wQ[/youtube]

Navi
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEHDboFa6v0[/youtube]

However, I thought there were many other impersonators who said the same. Does anyone know if E'Casanova said this directly? I know he said he was with him two weeks before June 25th, which probably means he was apart of the rehearsals as well. If you do know of any other impersonator who mentioned this, can you please post their video stating this? I think it would be good to keep a record. BTW, I know this may seem like old news but for some reason, I just recently noticed this and I don't remember a whole thread dedicated to getting video proof of these impersonators stating this but if there is one, then please forgive me for repeating and a redirect to that thread would be greatly appreciate. Thank you.

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Random MJ Talk / What were three great things that happened today?
« on: October 04, 2011, 08:45:49 PM »
Recently, I was looking at a special on PBS on happiness and one of the stories was about a person who worked in wall street and lost his job when the economic meltdown happened. After a little while, he had a behavioral specialist come to his home to help him through his issues with not having a job and not knowing what to do next. And one of the things she (the specialist) asked him to do is to write three great things that he did before he went to bed. So I liked this idea and wanted to ask you guys, what were three great things that happened today?

Here are mines:

- Putting on my colorful fall outfit. I've recently turned into a little fashionista and I love when an outfit is put together nicely, just starts the day off great.

- Watching the rain go away and seeing the sunshine brightly.

- Getting a lovely message through an angel oracle card deck on self-acceptance. I REALLY needed to read that so thanks angels! :)

Okay, what about you? What were three great things that happened to you today?

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Michael Jackson News / New York Times shifts the blame within 20 minutes.
« on: October 02, 2011, 12:00:48 PM »


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References & Similarities / 3 Dreams I Had This Week (Last 1 was BAMDAY!)
« on: October 01, 2011, 10:17:42 AM »
So I think the recent trial has been on my mind consciously and subconsciously because dreams have been coming for me related to the trial and this whole adventure.

The first dream was on Monday night. It was a two parter.

The first part: I was basically like a fly on the wall. The Jackson Family minus mom and dad were at this spiral staircase that looked like could be a back way to leave from the courthouse. The family had very similar clothes on from the trial. I think Janet's was exactly the same. They all had their sunglasses on. Michael was sitting down in the middle of the bunch and he looked so happy but he appeared to be blind or acting like he was blind because he wouldn't look at the person who was talking to him. He actually wasn't looking at anyone. He was looking off into space but I can tell he understood what was being said because of his smile. He also, I think, had a cane in his hand. The family appeared to be happy to see him but somber that they had to go through all of this and it seemed like the family haven't seen him in awhile. I think Jackie and Tito were behind Michael,seated on two of the above steps and Randy and Jermaine could've been almost next to MJ but standing up on the step and Janet was standing up, comforting Michael by touching his arm as she said how much she missed him. And unfortunately, my view couldn't see Rebbie but I think she was next to Janet. It was a very touching and emotional moment.

The second part: Kenny Ortega, one other person and I were in this room that kind of look like a science classroom. The only light coming into the room was from the windows so it was pretty dim in the room. And I don't remember much but I know that me and my fellow student, I guess, were studying this adventure and Ortega was helping us along but he seemed to be a little bit more stern in the dream but somewhat nice. So if I were to take my dream as fact, I would say Ortega is a knower.  lolol/

The second dream was on Tuesday night. I was in the home of Neverland. I have no clue which room it was or why I was there but I was there with MJ's children. All of his children seemed to be much younger, toddlers, than they are now but this was post-June 25th. I was actually surprised in the dream how easily accessible they were to a mere stranger, although I knew I wouldn't harm them. I think I was babysitting them. And I think Paris said something that could've been conceive as a clue but I don't remember what it was. I knew she said it after I asked her a question because I figured why not try to get some answers since I am here and I believe in the hoax adventure. And then I remember Blanket putting his index finger into the plug socket. And I was telling him firmly, "No, Take your finger out of there." It took a few times to tell him before he listened and then I immediately woke up. Now I know this was a dream because if I saw him put his finger in there, I would have immediately picked him up and then told him why he shouldn't do that but hey... it was a dream.

My third dream was just now (Saturday, Oct. 1). There were many parts to this dream but the part that would matter to you is the last one. I was at my family reunion and my family and I were all together in the main living room, I guess, talking and chatting with the TV on but we weren't really paying attention to what was on. There was a Jacksons Special on TV and they were in one of the family member's home. And they were in their living room, gathered as a family, singing a song. (I just realized that we were almost mirroring them by being in the same room and gathering as a family except we weren't singing, we were talking) So some of the brothers had their solo part and then Michael's was last so of course, Michael can't just sit down like everyone else. He had to get up start dancing and singing. He was also the only one wearing all white so he really stood out from everyone else, who were wearing dark neutral colors. And when he started singing, my family was cheering and paying attention. Then after he sang, the camera followed him, where he walked to a podium. Now the show was supposed to be filmed PRE-June 25th but I think that was a lie and it was actually live. So Michael walks up to the podium, he made some general statement about the media and then went into his shows for the This Is It tour and I could tell that the way he was talking that he was going to reveal the truth and I just broke down crying, holding on to one of my cousins and told her that I was investigating this for over 2 years. My brother (who knows in real life that I believe he could be alive), walked up to me and pat me on the back and then went to tell other family members why I was so emotional. His speech was quickly interrupted and I remember seeing a blank screen and hearing some reporter saying Michael Jackson is talking crazy and I said no, he is not. And then the show was turned back on but it wasn't on MJ at the podium but a pre-taped show that was going to reveal everything. And I remember there was a short clip of a teenage-looking Michael saying someone actually spotted me, the adult me so I thought in the dream that Michael actually never looked different from Thriller era. That he was still brown skin and that the lighter skin MJ was a double so that the real one could live his life privately. As some of you may know, I don't quite believe this but I do think the Bad era is where he broke away and did hire a double and went in and out of public when he chose so it wasn't so far off with what I believe now. Unfortunately, the dream faded away before I could get more info. What I actually loved about the dream was that I felt like my family wasn't judging me for being so emotional and believing all this time. They probably were confused by my reaction but they didn't judge and I enjoyed that comfort in the dream. Unfortunately, I am not so sure that's how it would be if it happened in real life.  :lol:

For right now, I am not really digging that deeply with these dreams. I'll just wait and see what happens and see if any one of my dreams were telling me something before it happened.


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The Resistance / Bow Wow - Sell My Soul
« on: August 19, 2011, 11:33:53 AM »
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS3yqxvAC3Y[/youtube]


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The London Riots and How They Will be Used to the Elite’s Advantage
By VC | August 10th, 2011 | Category: Latest News, Vigilant Reports | 113 comments

Originally triggered by a case of police brutality, the London riots soon became a generalized expression of malcontent from today’s young proletariat. The cramming of the unprivileged into neighbourhoods resembling ghettos combined with continued police oppression has always been an explosive combination. The Los Angeles riots of 1992 and the French riots of 2010 took place in very similar circumstances. While it is obvious that many rioters have absolutely no political agenda except for the looting of a few bottles of liquor, the riots are nevertheless the accumulated result of years of segregation of the poor and minorities in conjunction with the type of police oppression not found in well-to-do suburban areas.

While the media seems focused on portraying the rioters as a bunch of drunk hoodlums who have nothing else to do, it is obvious to the citizens of the area that the growing tensions with the police would lead to this kind of outburst. Here’s a an interview describing the “other side of the story” (I don’t think that the BBC was expecting this kind of response).

Order Out of Chaos

That being said, the London riots might be exactly what the ruling class needed to further a few agendas. The elite’s motto is Ordo Ad Chao, meaning Order Out of Chaos. Time and time again, chaotic situations have been “allowed” – if not totally engineered – by the elite in order to create fear and panic within the general population. The distraught masses then beg the elite for an intervention and a prompt solution. The result of these interventions is almost unequivocally the same: the introduction of rules and regulations disadvantaging the average citizen while giving more (undemocratic) powers to the elite.

The new policies would not normally be accepted by the general population, but due to the panic generated by the crisis, the policies are not only accepted but welcomed with open arms. The Great Depression of 1929 allowing the Rockefellers and the Morgans to hijack the banking system, 9/11 clearing the way for the PATRIOT act,  the bailout “crisis” that handed $700 billion of tax-payer money directly to a few favored companies … the same pattern repeats itself continually. Create a crisis, make it last long enough to get the population worried and introduce the solution that was, in fact, part of the agenda all along. And the population falls for it, every single time.

Using mass media, it is easy to create widespread panic. Simply interrupting a TV show with “Breaking News” featuring a red banner at the bottom of the screen and bold letters is enough to raise the collective heartbeat of a nation, and to make it aware of a situation in a matter of minutes. In the days that follow, all media outlets constantly remind the population of this particular situation. The constant hammering makes the situation almost seem as unbearable by the population who hear about it continuously on TV and read about it in the newspapers and the internet. After a while, the average citizen will want just one thing: the awful, nauseating feeling created by the situation to go away, whatever that takes. After the problem has dragged long enough, the media present one or several solutions. Not fully understanding this solution, but tired and annoyed, most people think: “Well, if that’s what it takes for them to shut up about this and move on to something else, then I’m all for it.”

Did the elite allow the London riots to last long enough to create a sentiment of panic? There are already sources stating that the police were ordered to stand by as the riots took place (according an article from the Daily Mail entitled Why police were so soft on London looters: They ‘were ordered to stand and observe’ as capital burned (but in Manchester they were hunting looters within hours). Furthermore, we are already seeing in the media the emergence of a specific agenda and a call to the adoption of specific policies that, predictably, go against the interests of the general public.
The Blackberry Riots – The Underlying Agenda

After a single day or rioting, an obvious agenda emerged in the media and a specific culprit was singled out by the authorities: the privacy of mobile messaging. The same way a picture of bin Laden appeared on TV screens only a few minutes after 9/11, mobile instant messaging was outed as the main cause of the London riots. Several media outlets have even dubbed these events “the Blackberry Riots”. The media, being the right hand of power, steered the attention of the public towards a specific agenda.

According to news sources, the London riots were mainly orchestrated using Blackberry’s instant messenger service (known as BBM), which is a (relatively) private service as the communications are encrypted. Here’s a typical article pointing out Blackberry, this one is from Reuters:

    The BlackBerry riots

    MP calls for BBM suspension to calm UK riots

    A lawmaker called on Tuesday for BlackBerry’s instant messaging service to be suspended after rioters used it to mobilize in London and other British cities.

    David Lammy, Member of Parliament for Tottenham, where London’s worst riots for decades began on Saturday, appealed on Twitter and on BBC radio for BlackBerry maker Research in Motion

    to suspend BlackBerry Messenger (BBM).

    “This is one of the reasons why unsophisticated criminals are outfoxing an otherwise sophisticated police force,” he tweeted. “BBM is different as it is encrypted and police can’t access it.”

    The riots, in which shops are being looted and cars and buildings set ablaze, spread to Britain’s second-largest city Birmingham and other centres.

    Politicians and police are blaming the violence on criminals and hooligans but some commentators and local residents say its roots lie in anger over economic hardship in a city where the prospects for many youths are dim.

    Many of the rioters favour BlackBerry Messenger over Twitter and other social media because its messages are encrypted and private, but the service is widely used and messages can easily be sent to groups.

    Research In Motion said in a statement on Monday: “As in all markets around the world where BlackBerry is available, we cooperate with local telecommunications operators, law enforcement and regulatory officials.”

    The company declined to say whether it was handing over chat logs or user details to police.

    Research In Motion’s Inside BlackBerry blog was hacked on Tuesday by a group going by the name of Teampoison. The group posted a warning to the company not to cooperate with police.

    “You Will tNOTt assist the UK Police because if u do innocent members of the public who were at the wrong place at the wrong time and owned a blackberry will get charged for no reason at all,” the statement said.

    “If you do assist the police by giving them chat logs, gps locations, customer information & access to peoples BlackBerryMessengers you will regret it, we have access to your database which includes your employees information; e.g – Addresses, Names, Phone Numbers etc. – now if u assist the police, we tWILLt make this information public and pass it onto rioters,” it said.

    YOUNGER CLIENTELE

    Sameet Kanade, analyst at Northern Securities in Toronto, said: “RIM will need the directive of the UK authorities and the cooperation of the carriers. Lawful intercept is the only valid legal reason that a carrier and handset vendor can intervene.

    “In terms of actual mechanism, RIM has always claimed that it is unable to de-encrypt/decipher messages routed through the BES or BIS servers. It may be able to disable the routing of messages at best, from what I understand.“

    Geoff Blaber, analyst with UK telecoms research firm CCS Insight, said: “One option would be to switch it off. But BBM is highly popular and has got a big installed base in the UK.“

    BlackBerry Messenger, or BBM as it is popularly known, has driven sales to new audiences for RIM in recent years as it expanded from its base as a tool for executives to a more consumer and younger clientele.

    It has more than 45 million active users worldwide, 70 percent of whom use it daily, sending billions of messages in total every month.

    Users with data plans can instantly pass text messages, pictures and other files without incurring charges from their network carrier.

    RIM has got into hot water in the past on the one hand for cooperating with governments seen as repressive, and on the other for not cooperating enough with the security needs of authorities in some countries.

    Its encrypted services, which it moves over its own servers via telecom carriers, have been blamed for aiding militant attacks in India and for allowing unrelated men and women to communicate in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.

    In August last year, a source close to talks between RIM and Saudi authorities said the Canadian company had agreed to hand over information that would allow monitoring of BBM.

    A deal was also reached in the UAE, averting a threatened ban on all BlackBerry services.

    The company says it cooperates with authorities around the world with a consistent standard.

    RIM has been relatively willing to provide authorities with access to its consumer services, such as BBM, but says it has no way of allowing monitoring of its enterprise email.

    In the case of India, RIM gave the authorities access to BlackBerry Messenger services but said it did not have the technical capabilities to provide interception of corporate emails on the popular device.

    India has demanded access to all BlackBerry services as part of efforts to fight militancy and security threats over the Internet and through telephone communications

    In London, Deputy Assistant Commissioner Stephen Kavanagh of the Metropolitan police said on Tuesday: “Police have got extensive monitoring of this BlackBerry messaging model and actually a lot of people who are seeing these Blackberry messages are forwarding them to the police.“

    Police did not immediately respond to a request for more details of how they were monitoring message traffic.

    - Source

After a few days of repetition, the population is convinced: The riots are not the results of inequalities or police brutality; they are the result of too much privacy in mobile communications. This cancer must be stopped. The police, or whomever else that wants to, must be able to monitor all of our communication, at all times, or our cities will burn. This is the message that is being hammered to the public. Do all of the rioters own a Blackberry? I would not think so, but that is not important. The agenda was already set.

Singled out and facing bad publicity, RIM (the company that created the Blackberry) was pressured to violate the privacy of its subscribers and to divulge their personal information. Normally, this would have caused outrage, but now, due to the riots, the the general population believes that it that it is necessary to stop these riots and to prevent other ones from taking place.

The media’s focus on RIM, and the resulting pressure to hand over sensible information to the authorities, lead to the hacking of Blackberry’s official site on August 9th by a group who opposing this sharing of information.

Blackberry's official website hacked

This is the message left by the hackers to RIM:

    Dear Rim;

    You Will _NOT_ assist the UK Police because if u do innocent members of the public who were at the wrong place at the wrong time and owned a blackberry will get charged for no reason at all, the Police are looking to arrest as many people as possible to save themselves from embarrassment… if you do assist the police by giving them chat logs, gps locations, customer information & access to peoples BlackBerry Messengers you will regret it, we have access to your database which includes your employees information; e.g – Addresses, Names, Phone Numbers etc. – now if u assist the police, we _WILL_ make this information public and pass it onto rioters… do you really want a bunch of angry youths on your employees doorsteps? Think about it… and don’t think that the police will protect your employees, the police can’t protect themselves let alone protect others…. if you make the wrong choice your database will be made public, save yourself the embarrassment and make the right choice. don’t be a puppet..

    p.s – we do not condone in innocent people being attacked in these riots nor do we condone in small businesses being looted, but we are all for the rioters that are engaging in attacks on the police and government… and before anyone says “the blackberry employees are innocent” no they are not! They are the ones that would be assisting the police

    - TriCk – TeaMp0isoN -

    - Source

Despite the threats, RIM stated on August 10th that it would fully collaborate with the police force. This means that chat logs, the GPS locations and the customer information stored in RIM’s databases can be used by the police to track down and to prosecute suspected rioters. Caught up in the panic caused by the riots, most Britons will agree with these measures. They do not however realize that dangerous precedents are being created and the net result will be the reduction of privacy and freedom for all and a collective step towards a police state. These kinds of policies can only be introduced during periods of chaos. Instead of causing outrage, the population is actually applauding RIM’s compliance with the British government. Because, after all, what company wants to be on the side of these drunken looters?


 Acceptance of a Police State

Dragging out the riots for several days serves another important agenda: the acceptance, and even the welcoming, of police state measures. Every additional day of rioting causes the average citizen to be increasingly favorable to the use of drastic measures by the government. At the time of writing this article, conservative elements of the government are already calling for the imposition of martial law and for the gunning down of rioters on sight, Here’s a poll (produced by NewsCorp’s Sun TV) that perfectly describes how a population can become favorable to oppression when chaos occurs (let’s not forget, of course, that it is possible for Sun TV to have tricked the numbers to give an illusion of consent regarding the use of force).

SUN Poll showing that, 77% of the population would agree with seeing the army in the streets of London (martial law). Also note that one out of three people wouldn't mind seeing rioters shot with live ammunition.
In Conclusion

If the London riots stemmed from deep social problems involving the exclusion of the unprivileged and police brutality, the powers that are seizing the opportunity to push a specific agenda. Do not be surprised if, in the near future, news of agent provocateurs being hired to incite violence popped up in the news. Violence justifies repression. In other words, the elite needs violence to make its policies acceptable. After just a few days of rioting (which was allowed to continue), a major shift in communication technology was introduced and accepted by the population: chat logs, GPS location and other private information can now be monitored by the authorities for “suspicious activities”. A few more days and the population will be ready to accept martial law and other tactics normally usually used in oppressive third world countries.

To be “for” or “against” the riots is, ultimately, an irrelevant debate. The most important thing to consider is the aftermath and the changes that will affect our nations for years to come. Whose interests will the riots ultimately serve? The poor people of London wanting a bigger piece of the pie? Or the ruling elite wanting to justify more control?

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Some people have assumed that First Lady Jackie O and MJ were on the good terms. That might not be the case according to one of her authors, Greg Lawrence. An excerpt from his account explains the possible true relationship between the two during the creation of MJ's autobiography, Moonwalk. This excerpt was featured in the Vanity Fair magazine, January 2011, pg. 108.

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In the case of Michael Jackson's 1988 memoir, Moonwalk, Jackie had to endure the pop star's erratic eccentricities during the more than four years before the book was finally published. She once told me it was "a professional embarrassment." Joe Armstrong, a former publisher of Rolling Stone, New York, and New West magazines, was a trusted friend of Jackie's during her later years, and he said of the Michael Jackson project, "Jackie wasn't involved in that because it was an interest of hers, or a curiosity of hers. She said she did it 'to be a good citizen' at Double day. Those were her words. Because she said if she helped with that, it let her have the ability to do the kind of special books she truly loved."

This could be another case of media manipulation because the two direct quotes does not say anything about MJ's supposed "erratic eccentricities." It may not have been her favorite book to work on but it does not mean that the relationship between the two were not on good terms. It could've been the controlling people around him that was a true bother to her. However, it does leave room for debate about the Kennedy connections that some have made in relation to this hoax. So what do you guys think of this?

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Not sure if this story is true and not sure if it means anything at all but thought I'll share...

Britney Spears Bans Junk Food And Demands Michael Jackson Music

Written by Hello Beautiful Staff on August 8, 2011 10:21 am
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Britney SpearsBritney Spears decided to take control of her bad habits by setting some interesting rules for her Femme Fatale Tour. She will not let her cravings get in her way by banning junk food from each city stop that is on her tour. But Spears isn’t stopping there: she’s even banning anyone from bringing alcohol around her.

… it gets better.

Not only is Britney Spears banning her unhealthy cravings, but she’s also demanding that Michael Jackson’s music be played constantly while she is in her dressing room getting ready.

Click here to find out the other demands that Briney Spears has for her tour!

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Others / Went BACK but let's look at the FRONT, shall we?
« on: July 17, 2011, 10:01:43 PM »
If you are wondering what the heck are you talking about!? Please let me explain. There is a member of the Michael J. Jackson Community (MJJC) by the name of BACK that many suspect could be MJ or connected to MJ due to rather prophetic postings that relate to our adventure right now. You can read, investigate and post all about BACK in this thread here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Towards the end of the thread (which is currently at 79 pages so if you are brand new to this, I pray for you lol), there has been a new member on this board named aptly Front. Front sounds like BACK and has made some mysterious postings like BACK. Whether the two are directly connected or not is up to the reader but it has sparked quite a bit of debate and intrigue in the BACK thread. So, since he has been such a hot topic of conversation in that thread, we are dedicating separate thread all to him. Of course, BACK can be reference here but the purpose of this thread is to keep everything up FRONT and not leaning towards the BACK. In other words, BACK stays back there in that thread and Front stays up here in this thread. Of course, BACK can be reference in this thread but the focus is FRONT...or Front. However you wish to write it. :)

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General Hoax Talk / Special Date? July 13, 2011
« on: July 05, 2011, 10:32:29 AM »
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Remember, remember the thirteenth of July
The virus, treason and plot
I see no reason why virus and treason
Should ever be forgot

[youtube:2zfoikza]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymAM76QwClM[/youtube:2zfoikza]

July 13th seems to be a possible key date. What will happen? I am not sure but it seems to be everyone's favorite date. V is only one of many possible insiders hinting or directly stating this date as important. Remember, this may not be the time he'll come back but there may be a major development that will occur on this date.

Our fellow hoax poster, curls has done a great job putting together a bunch of links that helped me think of this whole theory. I'll just quote what she wrote in the BACK thread:

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So, we have several interesting people right now who appear to be either the same person, or using each other's ideas, intentionally collaborating or not, to create a highly entertaining scenario for the next couple of weeks!

1. Back - Seven Day Theory - still vague and mysterious, to me at least!

2. Front - also talks of the Seven Day Theory which has now turned into a '7 day feast' - with pie!

3. theilusion777 - 'The Seven Days of the Bam' - Twitter account deleted but posting on his blog at: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

4. V - and his video about joining him on 13th July at the Hollywood sign.
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Although he's mentioned MJ, his message about waking up to the evil in the world does not directly reference MJ. Awaiting further info about the 13th from him. Two more vids from him, the latest being from April this year:
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5. TheMessageofV - I don't know, but don't think this is the same person as 'V' - 5 videos to date, very MJ related:
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6. And then to top it all, TMZ go and bring 'V for Vendetta' to mind with this article today:
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Regardless of whether any, all or none of the above actually have anything at all to do with Michael Jackson, I'm being entertained at least! And if it turns out MJ has got a hand in some or all of them, then that's all the better!

I think as long as we keep an open mind and don't get too sucked in to the possibilities, we'll be ok!

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So, to break down the reason why I think this is all relevant to this date. I will break down each part of curls post as well as post additional information.

1. BACK: In 2006, a poster by the name of BACK wrote an extremely interesting new 7 day theory. It  was posted on a topic about Tupac's 7 Day Theory hence the word 'new' in its title. You can read the theory here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login I am still trying to decipher this message but one thing that jumps out is 'SUN RISES.' In the V video above, V states that July 13th is the day the Sun God, Ra was born. You can read more about this Egyptian God here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login and here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login So I am thinking that maybe the SUN RISES part has to do with the Egyptian Sun God, Ra. Perhaps, metaphorically, the Sun God will rise on his birthday and start a chain reaction of change. BACK continues to say after the SUN RISES, it will be "...breaking the thickest of the wild blue momentary scab." What would be the scab? Perhaps, all the things V states in his video. What could be the wild blue? Perhaps America's justice system.

I could be off but I think the color blue could be related to the American great seal. Here's a little more information on the colors meaning:
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The colors red, white, and blue did not have meanings for The Stars and Stripes when it was adopted in 1777. However, the colors in the Great Seal did have specific meanings. Charles Thompson, Secretary of the Continental Congress, reporting to Congress on the Seal, stated:

    "The colors of the pales (the vertical stripes) are those used in the flag of the United States of America; White signifies purity and innocence, Red, hardiness & valour, and Blue, the color of the Chief (the broad band above the stripes) signifies vigilance, perseverance & justice."

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If we take this meaning then yes, there is a scab on vigilance, perseverance and justice in the US and perhaps BACK is saying that there will be a removal of that scab so everyone will see the truth and seek out true justice. This would go along with what TS has been stating in his redirects and what MJ himself said in the movie This Is It about government and of course, it aligns with V and his videos. It also could go along with this mysterious conspiracy that has been vaguely explained by his family.

2. Front: I specifically want to focus on the 7 day feast which is a biblical reference:
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The seven feast days were given primarily to Israel, yet they are a beautiful panorama of the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, as well as the Christian experience. The feasts of Passover, Unleavened Bread, and Firstfruits were fulfilled by Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection. The Feast of Pentecost, which occurred fifty days later, prefigured the Holy Spirit's coming in Acts chapter 2. Between these four feasts and the Feast of Trumpets was a long interval (four months) in which the harvest was gathered in. This period represents the church age during which the body of Christ will be completed (Rom. 11:25). The next three feasts after this period are the Feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hashana), Day of Atonement (Yom Kipper), and the Feast of Tabernacles (Succoth). When the trumpet sounds the church will be caught up (1 Thess. 4:16-18; 1 Cor. 15:51-52) and Israel regathered fulfilling the Feast of Trumpets. The Day of Atonement for Israel will be fulfilled when, at the end of the seven-year Tribulation, Christ returns and Israel accepts Him as their Messiah.

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The resurrection of Christ.... the resurrection of MJ.... seems to be pointing to this metaphor as well as that lucky 7 again. If anyone is familiar with the bible, you can further elaborate on this and the possible significance to this adventure. I am not well verse on this topic so I won't act like I am. I just knew that the 7 day feast had something to do with Jesus so this is what I found and it seems pretty relevant.

3. Illusion777 is another possible informer that has posted a special post on his/her blog in reference to a Seven Days of the Bam. Here is what he/she wrote:

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The Seven Days of the Bam

Hello all! As promised, here is my post about the “Seven Days of the Bam.” I decided that the proper time to post it was the exact 2 year anniversary of the 911 call, at 12:21 pm (PST), which is also considered the time that the hoax officially kicked off.

You may be wondering what the “Seven Days of the Bam” means. As I stated before, in the chat, there is a seven day period in July that you all need to look out for. Each day represents a letter in the word BAMSDAY.

Day 1 – B, Day 2 – A, Day 3 – M, Day 4 – S, Day 5 – D, Day 6 – A, Day 7 – Y

Each day also represents an aspect of the Bam, with the final days (A & Y) being the big final event.

BAMSDAY can also be looked at as an acronym, where each letter stands for a word or phrase, which then form a sentence (of sorts):

Back After Michael Sees Death AnniversarY

Yes, I know that the last word of the “sentence” uses TWO letters instead of the normal ONE, but let me explain.

Remember how I said the last TWO days are going to be the big final event? Well, those last two letters represent the last TWO days! If you think about it, since both days are one event, it makes sense for them to be in the same word.

Also, both final letters are in the word “anniversary.” Can you think of any dates in July that are the anniversary of anything? ;)

You may be thinking, “But Illusion, didn’t you already say that BAM could stand for BACK AFTER MURRAY?”

Yes, I did say that. But, I only hinted that it COULD mean that. Also, it makes sense that it equals multiple things. It makes sense that something with Murray will happen before Michael returns.

And that would make him be BACK AFTER MURRAY, or after news breaks about Murray (June 25th, 2o11?).

In conclusion, I would just like to state that each of these seven days will feature some sort of “Breaking News” about Michael. You might, however, be thinking, “What day will these seven days begin?” I only say this, if you have been following me and have been following the hoax, you already know what day it will begin. I have not said the exact day, but have hinted at a day (that will either be the end or the beginning of the seven days).

TheIllusion

PS: I will tell you this…it DOES NOT start July 1st. Also, someone brought up, “But the term Bam or Bamsday was started by the hoaxers as a way of describing MJ’s return.” Let me address that. First, MJ himself said BAM at the end of TII (after the credits). Second, don’t you think that MJ would start using terms that the beLIEvers used? Is that so hard to believe?

PPS: I’m sorry if this post wasn’t what some of you expected. I never said it was going to be a huge reveal all post. I only said that it would explain the “Seven Days of Bam” that I had mentioned in the chatroom. And to the people who ask, “How did you get the okay to do this if you haven’t spoken to him since January?”: MJ isn’t the only one to give me the okay to post stuff. There are other people in on the hoax that do that too. MJ can’t do everything all at once.


I think I figured out which 7 days he/she is referencing in this particular post. July 7 is the anniversary of MJ's memorial. July 7 is also "After Michael Sees Death AnniversarY" which would be June 25, 2011.  If we use TS's inclusive reckoning method, we will come across the date July 13 when we count 7 days from that date. If you don't believe me, then here you go:

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From and including: Thursday, July 7, 2011
To and including: Wednesday, July 13, 2011

It is 7 days from the start date to the end date, end date included

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4. V for Vanquish This is pretty self explanatory. As posted in the beginning of this post, it mentions July 13th being an important date blatantly. I guess we'll see if anything happens at the Hollywood sign.

5. the messageof v: I am not sure if there is anything relevant to themessageofv videos in regards to this particular date but it does reinforces the possible reasons behind this whole adventure, removing the scab and coming together with a purpose of L.O.V.E.

6. TMZ posted an article referencing V on July 4th. Could V be mentioned because a V-like person will be bringing independence on a slightly different day. July 13th...which cleverly also equals to July 4... 1 + 3 = 4.

Now, I'm sorry this post is so long but as you can see, there's a lot to cover. The additional information that I mentioned earlier is this little tweet from Teddy Riley...

Teddy Riley’s Tweet from June 12th
@BreathingPsyAir Sorry, but I had to mute you until July 13, 2011 12:06:50 AM GMT+02:00 | via twidroyd

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and remember, the see you in July comment and the possible signed photo that stated July 2011? This may be all pointing to this date. In the meantime, we'll just have to wait and see...

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General Hoax Talk / Could MJ have been at his own auction?
« on: June 28, 2011, 10:18:35 PM »
One of our fellow hoaxers took video of the recent Julien auction where the Thriller jacket was sold for 1.8 million and I noticed a few odd things.

First, below is the video. You can watch it first because it is cool to see this stuff and maybe you'll see where I'm going with this once you viewed this video.

[youtube:2sb42w7r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfC_Eh6kGEs[/youtube:2sb42w7r]

Okay, so @ 1:47 and 6:36, who do you see? Our friend from the MJ flash mobs, Hollywood Tonight video and Behind The Mask Video! Some people have been questioning if this is Mike due to the similarities to this guy and Dave Dave, who many of us believe is Michael on LKL and due to his dance moves that are really good for someone his age and the fact that he is featured on all of these different official MJ projects and always stands out in each of them. Of course, he could just be a fan but I wanted to do a comparison. Unfortunately, I cannot do a screen cap but I guess for now, you can just watch the clips of him dancing in the video and then watch this video from the extras in This Is It DVD, esp. @ 1:11

[youtube:2sb42w7r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WechmG--9vo[/youtube:2sb42w7r]

Look similar? Yay? Nay?

Plus, one more of thing, @ 5:57, who do you see? Miko Brando! Michael's longtime close friend and the person who was also apparently in the studio with Dave Dave on LKL. See the connection here?

So with this guy + Miko, could it equal to Michael being at his own auction with his own fans?
You decide...  rr/  moonwalk_/

By the way, I don't think the person filming this had any intention on the theory I've put together but I'm so happy she taped it and shared it because we would have never known that guy was there as well as Miko. So thanks to alpha, if you happen to be a member on here.  bearhug

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