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Other Theories / Re: Discussion 1: Could he have done it alone?
« on: May 03, 2011, 04:42:44 PM »
Hey guys.  Wanted to stop by and say hello/goodbye.  I have been reading the lastest TIAI posts and I am reminded to why I wanted to do this little project.  I stated before, I am tired of the personal attacks against people, lack of critical thinking and "I'm right" attitudes as of late.  And I can't read this crap anymore.  I know what I feel/guess and this will all end ON JUNE 25th anyway.  I will copy my post of what I think happened for you guys as this was where we were trying to go with this thread.  For your own enjoyment purposes only...lol

The very first page of this thread and the first thing at least that gets ur attention is the FBI hat. Subliminal Clue? Dont know but fits.

From what I have been reading about the fake body and peoples opinions concerning is this. The main purpose of the fake was to lessen the actually number of "outsiders" that need to be in on the hoax while giving the opprtuinity to for the people who were/are involved credibility that the body was MJ's and for truthful testimony to be given during the trial. Fine.

Now.......In order for MJ alone to pull this hoax off, a fake body would be a must. Alone, this body is really the only way he could attempt to fool everyone involved he was really dead. Tho flawed, perhaps the paramedics and even the hospital and staff might have beLIEved it really was him. He really died. And they saw it with there own eyes. At a minimum 25 people would have interacted in some way with the fake body on the 25th. That to me is 25 ways/reasons the hoax could be discovered before it even really started. Amazingly, noone figured out it was a fake and it did make it to the coroner. And that is where it ends. The coroner would have figured out it was fake and MJ really does not have the power or connections to presuade him to help with his hoax no matter the reason. So with that in mind, we know MJ has planned for years in great detail to hoax his death. Years of thought down the drain in the first hours of the first day. He could not do this alone and not without help.

Enter FBI>>>Whatever MJ has gotten himself into that would warrant the FBI's help and participation remains to be seen. As to the great depth of the hoax and the amount of coordination needed from the FBI, as well as the FBI's willingness to accept and agree to the terms/way MJ wanted it, whatever it is must be gigantic. Thus the reason and the plan is put into action.

The FBI could of "killed" MJ off without a body. But that is not a good show nor add to the realism or confirm that MJ died. So the FBI provided a fake body. 3 paramedics, coroner and assistance along with a doctor and 4 staff, were "asked" to take part as a matter of "National Security". This brings our outside people informed to the hoax to 10. A controlled group, very possibly choosen and selected for this after careful screening. So for the show, the wheel the fake body into UCLA, straight to a predetermined area under heavy secruity and privacy. Each persons role defined, actions, statements planned as instructed to do so. MJ dies. The announcement made and to continue to embed that MJ did die, is again wheeled out the copter and off to the coroner. A real-time drama with actual proof MJ had died broadcast to the public to absorb and accept. MJ is dead, free and removed. And mission is accomplished.

However at the same time MJ dies, a new and interesting element is introduced with many implications to the future. But first,

Now, we have established that the ambo pic was staged and shopped. This is our first real evidence and first domino. Why evidence? It shows us that this was staged and planned. Now knowing MJ could not do this alone and needed help and recieved it from the FBI. This to now validates it is fake. Shows us it was planned and if planned needed help, if needed help the FBI did so. And the FBI does not fail. IF they want something to happen it does, the way the want it to. Executed to a T, again only proving the pic is fake as it was part of a bigger picture. Thus proof MJ lives. Which brings us to the plan. Seems like alot of extra fluff made-for-tv was involved in the hoax. They were much easier ways to get same result. MJ could of died of overdose/heart attack at home. NO TV special, no press, taken to hospital pronounced and perhaps a "real" death photo released to prove he had died. But that is not what happened. A set of surreal events transpired before the worlds eyes. Events which left no doubt that MJ had died. BUT>>>>

That new element? AS they loaded MJ into the copter, it was now we are introduced to a man who ran out the back door. Conrad Murray. First , let's analyze his role. Honestly, much like the other fluff in the plan, Murray's part in this is really not needed. The events the way they played out on the 25th could of happened the same way with or without him. It added some drama. But having a doctor present throughout the events did not change anything or any way things were planned. Again, not necessary tho. Or was it....

Now the hoax was success. MJ dead. World falls for it. IF MJ wanted peace/freedom or whatever the reason, he now had it. Except for the door that was left open for things to come. Murray. Basically, he was not needed for this to succeed but yet involved anyway. And left to be tried for a crime he did not commit. Most likely convicted. And yet, this truly makes no sense as why he must take the fall. But it does....The very momment he is introduced into this, he began to play what I believe was his main purpose. Now this hoax is not just about MJ but a new focal point in Murray. He is the distraction, decoy and element to the plan that enables new events to take place. AS the shock wore off and MJ faded, our man Murray was now front and center. Followed, photographed,disected his role is now exactly as it was planned. Just about the time MJ fades from our memories, suddenly Mr. Murray becomes relevant again. A new development or story surfaces to keep us interested. But is that all?

If MJ ever returns remains to be seen. If he does regardless some backlash will occur. 2 years ago he was a laughingstock and mocked, 2 months from now? OMG Bamsday is here! MJ reappears from his death, however the backlash is not what one might expect. He is a hero? huh? Our FBI boys inform us the great courage and dedication MJ has shown by sacrificing himself in such a way in order to help our nation do whatever it the heck he got himself into in the first place. A national alibi. MJ our hero!

Back to ol' Murray. The martar, the fallguy, the guy who soon will have the world at center stage. MJ likes center stage. Quite comfy there actually.(or not) Murray has endured and completed what is needed for the "last curtain call". The trial. His main purpose. Which is why is doesn't matter if witnesses tell the truth. Why stories dont match, and calls seem fake or bodies or whatever else. I believe the trial won't happen. Wasn't ever suppose to. MJ "got away" for good if that was the plan. But it wasn't, and the door is open waiting.........

So to close MJ must be in some big time stink. Alot went into this, and can only imagine what may have warranted this kind involvement. Even if MJ has feelings/issues over the past with FBI etc. Obviously he had no choice, or he is dead....The complexity of the hoax and it's nuiances,as we discussed before, lend creditibilty to Govt involvement.  A much simplier way to "kill off" MJ could have been done, with less "loose ends" to cover.  And as the world thinks MJ is dead, a simplier way would have the same effect in that the world would still think he is dead.


Also, it is most conveient(sp) the trial has been delayed.  Fits the timeline better now anyway.  Michael has no "escape" from the backlash of this hoax.  And moreso if tax dollars are used for a fake trial.  If he truly is alive, the time to be a hero is before the trial.  No backlash, no scrutiny, no nothing.  And for me now, if the trial happens and no return, I am done playing PI.  When/if he does I'll be happy and read the book later.  So TY all for your kind words and support.  May our wishes come true, mostly for our own sanity.  LOVE mj_bad/

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Other Theories / Re: Discussion 1: Could he have done it alone?
« on: April 26, 2011, 01:01:34 AM »
"Danger Will Robinson"

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Other Theories / Re: Discussion 1: Could he have done it alone?
« on: April 25, 2011, 11:50:07 PM »
Since we have gone off topic I did want to ask this question at some point to each of you.

What/when/event  is when each of you first thought this whole thing was BS?

For me, it was the Jermaine pressor.  Then came video study from everything from reflectors to tire differences to "timing" up the different "eyewitness videos" and that they didn't match side by side.

You?

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Other Theories / Re: Discussion 1: Could he have done it alone?
« on: April 25, 2011, 11:40:02 PM »
As I stated in my PM to ya'll, we are going in circles.  This very thread is EXACTLY what I thought would happen.  WE have come up with ever reason and valid ones as to who was IOI.  WHICH WAS THE GOAL OF THIS.  Ahhh heck, one too many beers, why should I even care anymore?  It is what it is.  Dead, Alive who knows.  Guess it don't matter really.  My wife thinks I am a fool and brings it up every chance she gets to anyone that doesn't already know I am a fool.  Maybe I should listen to her.......................I told her if nothing "happens" by June 25th 2011, I will NEVER bring it up again.  She wishes for that day.............................And I do to, at least it will be "over".

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Other Theories / Re: Discussion 1: Could he have done it alone?
« on: April 25, 2011, 10:56:48 PM »
hey guys, sorry had to work last 2 days.  Tho I know TS has "returned" and the attention seems to have gone there,  I am still eager to continue our pursuit.  Like it was said, as much as TS gives us "hope", in alot of ways it feels like a game.  In our short time time doing this, I feel we have come up with some good stuff that may/or maynot lead us closer to that which we seek.  As, we take TS as "informant" and I see what he trying to do,  I know we are running out of time to this before trial and honestly this "group" would of figured out alot of the details without his "teasers".  I just hope we move on to next part soonish.(/cough souza)  However....

Wow paula nice pic/post.  I see what your seeing.  The face and glasses.  Ya looks umm familiar.  But I am also seeing that face continue with short hair after.  MY QUESTION is at the ened the bodyguard holds the jacket up and someone comes out with jacket over their head....WHO/WHAT is that?  Umm 3 ambo's  right?  I see 3 dark blue uniforms.  2 ambos in back and MJ so where/who/what is number 4?  hmmmm......

Anyways...Just want to keep moving forward.  Much to discuss.  Clock is ticking.  (MY THEORY)  BAM is near.  I want to gloat in the fact we figured it out because I know we will.  Much love....AIGT

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Other Theories / Re: Discussion 1: Could he have done it alone?
« on: April 23, 2011, 08:15:15 PM »
I made a post during the pic TS thing about if there was aa way to see doctors that got busted in last couple years and seeing if MJ had gone to any....would be a nice connect the dots to a possible "reason".  Nothing came of it and I have no clue where/how to search that.

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Other Theories / Re: Discussion 1: Could he have done it alone?
« on: April 23, 2011, 02:48:14 PM »
....crickets cripping...must move on......lol

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Other Theories / Re: Discussion 1: Could he have done it alone?
« on: April 21, 2011, 10:02:17 PM »
LOL ..just me or do any of guys care about any other threads atm?  This is too engaging and I want to go forward.  And no life atm...lol

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Other Theories / Re: Discussion 1: Could he have done it alone?
« on: April 21, 2011, 09:59:30 PM »
FBI---

No way the coordination needed could be done alone.
Has A WPP that is used often.
Can allow/overide any of the future events and set-up trials, reports etc.

Will put you in an Alaskan jail cell if you don't agree...err wrong thread....LOL

LACO-

Prepared and provided autopsy report
Provided a total incompetent report at that.
Could not get Name right
Limited number of staff needed to know
And "look mom I;m on TV!'

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Other Theories / Re: Discussion 1: Could he have done it alone?
« on: April 21, 2011, 09:45:36 PM »
damm paula your an enclopedia(sp)!!!  

Oh souza missed other question....

Considering the "scene", IV pole, meds, etc I dont think they would of questioned if he was a real doc, it was probably assumed. IF....

But I honestly do not know.  Maybe he told them "he slept at a holiday inn last night", and that's all the needed.

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Other Theories / Re: Discussion 1: Could he have done it alone?
« on: April 21, 2011, 09:32:15 PM »
Quote from: "RK"
corpse..NIOI...too funny
BOW.....Bow....lol

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Other Theories / Re: Discussion 1: Could he have done it alone?
« on: April 21, 2011, 09:20:54 PM »
The coroner usaually has 2 people do autopsy from what I know.

I really think paramedics are in for ease of making story believable.  Still only looking at 6-8 people max IOI.

DEA- Not so sure.  I do not remember their presence around the 25th or after.  Maybe if MJ was in a deep drug/bad doctor ring thing, they may be IOI, but not sure they even had to be.  They are the least likely to be needed and role hardest to interpet.  Or in fact the very reason the hoax was done.  To protect MJ from information he provided.

Sheriff would tie to PD.  Dummy or double corpse they did not need to know just transport body.  Even if they sneeked a peek, the double I suppose would maybe look like MJ, so nothing to doubt.  Regardless of video of copter, they dont need to know but maybe the crew did, if MJ was really on copter.  Which I doubt as It was too risky imo.  Dummy or MJ they would IOI.  Corpse NIOI.

Still the total is around 10ish.  And those 10 would most likely feel in some way it was their "duty" to play along.  Even if they know why the hoax had to be done or not.

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Other Theories / Re: Discussion 1: Could he have done it alone?
« on: April 21, 2011, 08:34:01 PM »
Hard to say, if they would ask providing they are not IOI.  However doubtful they weren't.  And also he could prove by showing his liscense.  I carry mine in wallet but my wallet is in car.  So no clue, but dont think it mattered or ever happened that way.  Script, follow the script.....

That day or other IMO should be next.....If it was pre-staged or everything really happened on the 25th.  IMO

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Other Theories / Re: Discussion 1: Could he have done it alone?
« on: April 21, 2011, 08:18:54 PM »
My thought is that Murray had all over-riding authority and even if another doctor said to call , he was in charge.  So she did not assume
"control" until whatever arrived at UCLA.

Are the para's safe for not doing it. Yes.  Safe regardless.  Again even prelim testimony is for show imo.  By her telling them to call it, gives credance to the para's prelim testimony as to " he was long gone"(parapharse).  All scripted, with future events considered from all angles.  To make it look real all stories have to match in order for it to become an afterthought.  The drugs abuse and amount in body are a part of the story.  Most knew or had heard of MJ's abuse so the story is more believable to John Q Public.  No reason to question what was already the percieved perception.  Since the FBI went with the elaborate way to do hoax,  might as well "play the givens".  As stated, much easier way(s) to do this without the show it was.

This happened to me last week on a code.  Everyone knew the person wasn't coming back and out of 10 people only 1 said "keep going".  The one being the doctor.  Had he not been there "we" would of called it sooner.  

As why/what Murray's real role in this began.  to be continued....

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Other Theories / Re: Discussion 1: Could he have done it alone?
« on: April 21, 2011, 02:34:41 PM »
agree paula, but me thinks the family is IOI....so I believe that about wraps up PD envolvement.  YES!

Boss agree?

Me wants next question please....lol

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