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« on: August 01, 2012, 05:39:07 PM »
What a lot of people don't know, or have failed to realize is Michael transferred the title for Neverland to Sycamore Valley Ranch, Llc. in 2008. Sycamore Valley Ranch, Llc. is an affiliate of Colony Capital, the company that (ahem) 'rescued' the 'distressed' property. Whether directly, or indirectly, Michael has always maintained ownership in his Neverland property.
The proper and legal definition of an affiliate: A person, organization, or establishment associated with another as a subordinate, subsidiary, or member.
In layman's terms, an affiliate is closely connected or associated with an individual, business, company, etc..
Michael knew then exactly what he was doing. I don't believe the estate was ever in financial distress. He was protecting his assets.
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« on: February 01, 2011, 09:08:58 PM »
"breaking news" anyone?
the look on joe's face is priceless. Check out the 'Sony' hat...Let the conspiracy ideas roll! Let me add this guy is a good impersonator, but he doesn't have that 'umph' Michael possesses. While I admire his efforts, they're a bit forced whereas Michael is naturally soulful, and Walker's natural accent is very noticeable (it'd be hard to hide that). All in all, he's a good 9.99 on the 1-10 scale. A+ for effort, dude! I do believe he'd impress the man himself! [youtube:12wkbefy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTFpEGfkBBw&feature=related[/youtube:12wkbefy]
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« on: January 20, 2011, 08:55:00 PM »
Encino_girl!!! Where you at? You must have some almighty thoughts,you've been writing your post for days! haha!
Nah,seriously though,hope your ok and haven't given up! xo All's good! Thanks for asking. Between being busy for a couple of days, and then finding myself a little under the weather for the past couple of days, I've not had much time to even formulate a coherent reply. I assure you, I've not given up. I'm with y'all in spirit!
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« on: January 15, 2011, 10:17:03 PM »
Just to let you all know,the last few days will be up tomorrow.
We are then waiting on Murray's court hearing for the trial date OR possibly a deal...
What are the general thoughts on this 'deal' the media mentioned?That he will walk away with a suspended sentence if he admits he is guilty of manslaughter.
(NOTE TO EVERYONE:There is a member posting spam comments in a number of threads,please DO NOT click on anything it is likely to be a virus.The posts are huge in length,you can't miss them and the member is 'creelostedoda', so just letting you know if you see these avoid like the plague until Souza can delete them and ban the user.x Thanks for the heads up on the possible virus! Be back later with some thoughts if I can gather them and put them in one place. 
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« on: January 15, 2011, 12:02:57 PM »
I'm not a shoe salesperson, so this isn't a professional opinion (it is rather, a shop-a-holic's confession), but I know when I've ordered Italian shoes, I've found size to be irrelevant, and I've had to rely on my foot's actual measurement in cm. Some designers' shoes run larger in size than others, whereas some run smaller. That said, the steel boots on display at the Autry look to be around a 9.5/10 as do his other famous shoes. I believe Travis P. has stated he wore a 10 (If memory serves me well...on an Access Hollywood interview??) Depending on the designer, and short of looking in his closet, who really knows?? I'm gonna confidently go with a size 10. He's a normal sized man, and 10 is the most common size sold in men's shoes. In either case; whether a 9.5 or an 11, no one can ever fill his shoes... 
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« on: January 15, 2011, 07:59:21 AM »
The condom catheter is mentioned in the AR. Presumably, the physicians at UCLA Med put that on him.
A condom catheter is mentioned in the AR but it is not presumed to have been put on by the UCLA physicians at all. It is presumed to have been put in place by Murray.
Presumptions. Presumptions. It's never been established either way.
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« on: January 15, 2011, 07:56:01 AM »
wasn't there somewhere along the way , maybe very early even the mention of possible bed sores on this person? or did i make that up :? :lol:
I do believe you're right.
There were no bedsores mentioned in the AR.
AR Page 3
4 discolored indentations were found on his lower backside
AR Page 13
Over the lower back are several 1/4-1/2 inch perimortem abrasions. (Comment: Scene photographs show beads on the bed).
Perimortem - At, or near, the time of death
No one here ever said there were bedsores mentioned in the AR, and the OP was correct in saying someone mentioned bed sores early on after his death. MSNBC is one of the mainstream media outlets that first reported bed sores. ABC repeated the same report. ... When he died, Jackson was skinny but not overly emaciated, and his body had bed sores, the official said. The singer is believed to have developed bed sores in the months following his 2005 acquittal of child molestation charges, when he went into seclusion and spent long stretches in bed. You are not allowed to view links.
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« on: January 14, 2011, 11:23:38 PM »
wasn't there somewhere along the way , maybe very early even the mention of possible bed sores on this person? or did i make that up :? :lol: I do believe you're right.
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« on: January 14, 2011, 12:01:22 AM »
Michael Jackson trial highlights troubles and triumphs of pop star's last days
LOS ANGELES — Michael Jackson may have called the anesthetic propofol his “milk,” but rather than give him strength, it left him in such a vulnerable state that his urine was collected through a device for incontinent patients.
That was one view of Jackson’s final days and the extreme measures he took in life to maintain his public image as a beautiful superstar, which were revealed in a six day hearing into his death that ended earlier this week.
Other details were his wearing of a surgical cap while he slept to cover his balding scalp, and the numerous tubes of skin bleach cream he used to hide the disorder vitiligo, which causes a discoloration of the skin, from which he suffered.
But for the man once dubbed Wacko Jacko in the media, there was a softer side revealed, too. He was depicted as a father who cared deeply for his three children, and even as he was hounded by paparazzi, he tried to give them a normal life.
Tuesday this week, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor ordered Jackson’s doctor, Conrad Murray, to stand trial for involuntary manslaughter in the “Thriller” singer’s 2009 death due to an overdose mainly of propofol.
The anesthetic is used in hospitals to sedate patients, but Jackson’s doctor has admitted to giving it to him at home as a sleep aid. One prosecution witness testified to some evidence Jackson might have drank it he would a glass of milk.
At one point, Judge Pastor seemed puzzled over why Murray would make the unorthodox decision to administer — at Jackson’s request — propofol for sleeplessness, since the drug’s effects last only minutes.
“Isn’t the person still sleep deprived?” Pastor asked Murray’s defense attorneys. “What purpose does it do to administer a dose that’s only going to keep the person asleep for five minutes?”
Joseph Low, an attorney for Murray, responded that after Jackson had experienced over many years the adrenaline of performing for thousands of fans, he found it hard to sleep.
“It’s difficult to come down off your own chemistry, if you will,” Low said. “The propofol doesn’t allow you to sleep ... but it at least allows you to get started.”
NIGHT CAP
Earlier in the hearing, witnesses testified to seeing a ”condom catheter” on Jackson as he lay motionless in his bed. That is a device to collect urine through a tube in patients without control of bodily functions, such as those under deep sedation, testified Dr. Richelle Cooper, the hospital physician who pronounced Jackson dead.
Elissa Fleak, a coroner investigator, said she found a jug of urine on a chair when she combed through Jackson’s room.
Paramedic Richard Senneff testified that Jackson was also wearing a surgical cap when emergency workers arrived at his bedroom. That may be because, as revealed earlier in Jackson’s autopsy report, he suffered from “frontal balding” and his hair was described as “sparse and connected to a wig.”
Despite years of being maligned in the media for saying he suffered from skin discoloration disease vitiligo, when few believed that would be the reason for his changed skin color, the autopsy also disclosed that he did have the disease.
In the preliminary hearing, it was revealed that to make his skin appear one color, he used huge amounts of skin cream.
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That part of MJ's room scenario speaks about long term bed patient existence over there. It does not sound Michael to me.
Ok, first of all, they said that Michael slept with a surgical cap, to hide his bald spot. That's how they found him. So tell me how come the ambulance picture Michael has hair? What they did do, put his wig on before the ambulance arrived? Instead of doing CPR they decided to fix Michael. Does not make sense.
Secondly, if Murray adminstrated him propofol for 5 to 10 mins, why would he need a catheter? Usually catheters are needed for long term patients who cannot get out of bed,
when the get operated and cannot get out of bed for several days. Or when a person is terminally ill. He is dying. So Michael was in good shape as per Ortega on June 24, so Michael is not ill. and for 10 mins or propofol does not need a catheter. I got informed by my doctor friend. This is his explaination. By the way by drinking propofol does not do the same effect as by intervenus. It does not do anything at all, just burns your stomach. I guess that's why he drank it with milk.
The condom catheter is mentioned in the AR. Presumably, the physicians at UCLA Med put that on him.
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« on: January 13, 2011, 10:44:49 PM »
I want to comment on the legal implications one could face for faking their own death.
Is it a crime? What are the possible legal issues involved?
Unless you're pretending to be dead in order to play a practical joke on someone (in this case, forget legalities; you need a shrink), there can be serious legal consequences.
Sin has made excellent points; however, even if you do NOT benefit financially from faking your death, such an act can STILL lead you into hot legal waters as it can be seen as a civil wrongdoing. IOW, it is an intentional or negligent infliction of emotional distress. You could be held liable for pain and suffering damages and medical (ie. counseling) costs.
As for monetary benefits, if you're found to be alive, you'd be held responsible for the costs of any investigations into the 'death', any proceedings resulting from the investigation, etc. (willful misuse of public resources). It is still fraud if your willful actions cost others money. If your heirs or your estate benefits from your faked death (even unknowingly), they are legal jeopardy as well. If your action placed an undue burden on the state or the executor of your estate, you are civilly liable.
If you assume a new identity, you are in essence, supplying false information to various government agencies (ie. SSA, driver's license agency, etc..). Just the filing of the false death certificate constitutes perjury, which is a criminal offense.
You may voluntarily walk away from your employment, family, and friends. People do it everyday. Generally, they are located by employment/tax records, and so forth.
Faking your death can only be done legally if law enforcement is involved.
The part in bold is something I have been thinking for a while now. I honestly believe that A LOT of people would try to sue Michael for the emotional stress his death caused them if he is found to be alive. People may even come together and form a class action law suit. Unless the Federal Government is involved, I seriously don't think Michael will ever come back. Aside from all of the haters, who would hate him even more, there would be a lot of new haters (even some of his fans). Many of these people would try to sue him. It would be a complete mess. Not to mention the death threats that he would receive. He was already receiving death threats and threats of kidnapping his kids before this. Now people would have another reason to threaten him. No, if the Feds aren't involved, I don't expect a comeback. It would be far too risky for Michael and his family.
I would expect nothing less than a class action lawsuit from his so called admirers. People like Karen Faye, Kai Chase, and so on, would lead the lot of them straight to the courthouse. They loved him that much. /sarc
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« on: January 13, 2011, 10:41:32 PM »
Also,it is only illegal to fake your death if money is made from it ie your spouse claims your life insurance.
It is then fraud,theft,and you will go to prison for it.If the new album said 'in loving memory of Michael Jackson RIP' and people bought it,some based on the fact he was dead then it would be fraud-$$ made from his death.
Even TII dvd,at the start it says June 25th Michael was only days away from going to London,and weeks from the tour' nowhere on that DVD does it say RIP Michael Jackson,rest in peace king of pop,in loving memory of MJ...it only says dedicated to his children.
The estate,family,bravado...do not promote his passing because to make money from it would get them in more than trouble.
His life insurance was cashed in by Sony before hand so nothing illegal there either.
(if anyone proves this to be wrong I will quit my job haha)
Wrong sentence to the core, Sinderella.
I have explained several times about life insurance policy. This is huge wrong statement you made.
Sony, AEG, Estate, no one can cash life insurance policy but beneficiary. Unless you mean different insurance.I will explain again.
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Actually, one can cash out a life insurance policy prior to death. They would only receive the value of the premiums they've paid, along with any maturity of cash benefits (if any). If Sony or AEG, and/or any of its subsidiaries or assigned were the policy owners they were within their legal rights to cash out the policy prior to his 'death'.
You need to differentiate between the policy owner and the beneficiary.
Policy owner - one who purchases the policy on himself or another from an insurer.
Beneficiary - one who benefits financially from the occurrence of insured risk.
You cash out a policy prior to death.
You cash in a policy upon occurrence of death.
Excuse me, but I am proficient person in the field we are talking about . The policyholder can cash his policy money, not Michael's policy.
The other thing you should pay attention on when I say IT DEPENDS ON WHAT TYPE OF POLICY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.I see there is a confusion about insurance policy wrongly called "life insurance", whereas initially article was about AEG cashing policy that never happened. Again, before concert there is a type of policy AEG purchased called special event or similar that would cover ACCIDENTAL DEATH OF THE PRINCIPAL, MICHAEL, therefore they called life insurance. But in nature it is NOT a common life insurance policy. The only money AEG could get from that policy if there would have been EVENT CANCELLATION clause. Prior to death policy, if it is Michael as a named insured, no one else can cash but himself before death. I doubt Michael had that kind of policy, AEG can't cash MJ's policy money notbefore nor after his death. Sorry, I am going to stop here, can't explain the whole insurance industry here.
You might need a refresher course.
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« on: January 13, 2011, 09:51:05 PM »
I believe with every fiber of my being Michael had government assistance in faking his death. He wouldn't do this as a joke, as a means of temporarily escaping, nor would he be so reckless business wise.
IMO
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« on: January 13, 2011, 09:46:54 PM »
Also,it is only illegal to fake your death if money is made from it ie your spouse claims your life insurance.
It is then fraud,theft,and you will go to prison for it.If the new album said 'in loving memory of Michael Jackson RIP' and people bought it,some based on the fact he was dead then it would be fraud-$$ made from his death.
Even TII dvd,at the start it says June 25th Michael was only days away from going to London,and weeks from the tour' nowhere on that DVD does it say RIP Michael Jackson,rest in peace king of pop,in loving memory of MJ...it only says dedicated to his children.
The estate,family,bravado...do not promote his passing because to make money from it would get them in more than trouble.
His life insurance was cashed in by Sony before hand so nothing illegal there either.
(if anyone proves this to be wrong I will quit my job haha)
Wrong sentence to the core, Sinderella.
I have explained several times about life insurance policy. This is huge wrong statement you made.
Sony, AEG, Estate, no one can cash life insurance policy but beneficiary. Unless you mean different insurance.I will explain again.
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Actually, one can cash out a life insurance policy prior to death. They would only receive the value of the premiums they've paid, along with any maturity of cash benefits (if any). If Sony or AEG, and/or any of its subsidiaries or assigned were the policy owners they were within their legal rights to cash out the policy prior to his 'death'. You need to differentiate between the policy owner and the beneficiary and their respective rights and roles as they pertain to life insurance. Policy owner - one who purchases the policy on himself or another from an insurer. Beneficiary - one who benefits financially from the occurrence of insured risk. You cash out a policy prior to death. (Policy owner) You cash in a policy upon occurrence of death. (Beneficiary)
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« on: January 13, 2011, 09:20:02 PM »
I want to comment on the legal implications one could face for faking their own death.
Is it a crime? What are the possible legal issues involved?
Unless you're pretending to be dead in order to play a practical joke on someone (in this case, forget legalities; you need a shrink), there can be serious legal consequences.
Sin has made excellent points; however, even if you do NOT benefit financially from faking your death, such an act can STILL lead you into hot legal waters as it can be seen as a civil wrongdoing. IOW, it is an intentional or negligent infliction of emotional distress. You could be held liable for pain and suffering damages and medical (ie. counseling) costs.
As for monetary benefits, if you're found to be alive, you'd be held responsible for the costs of any investigations into the 'death', any proceedings resulting from the investigation, etc. (willful misuse of public resources). It is still fraud if your willful actions cost others money. If your heirs or your estate benefits from your faked death (even unknowingly), they are legal jeopardy as well. If your action placed an undue burden on the state or the executor of your estate, you are civilly liable.
If you assume a new identity, you are in essence, supplying false information to various government agencies (ie. SSA, driver's license agency, etc..). Just the filing of the false death certificate constitutes perjury, which is a criminal offense.
You may voluntarily walk away from your employment, family, and friends. People do it everyday. Generally, they are located by employment/tax records, and so forth.
Faking your death can only be done legally if law enforcement is involved.
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« on: January 13, 2011, 08:04:17 AM »
That comment I just read sounded like a media article about his life,and one that is bias,incorrect and talks in a way that the person who wrote it has some idea of the man behind the sunglasses,which I'm sorry I don't think anyone on this earth did apart from him.
so I am not one of these new fan types..that just discovered him after he died
After he died?
By the time he went to the trail he had kicked up his drug habit to dull the pain...because of FEAR , ANGER and loathing...which are emotions he had every right to feel.
By the time it was over he was gone. If you ever look at him when the verdict was read it is glaringly obvious. How on earth could you possibly know that?That is an outrageous accusation/statement to make.
He looked tired,and pissed off and really quite blank.His expression didn't even change when they said not guilty.Stress can have devastating effects on a persons mental health and wear the body down doesn't mean they are a drug addict.
I'll be honest,your whole post offended me.
and no it's not because I am saying he had no drug problem,he clearly had one in the 90's but tbh,past that no one knows,it is mere speculation MOSTLY media based.Personally,needing something to help you sleep and injecting/popping pills everyday are two very different things.
I wouldn't believe one word from anyone in his 'inner circle' either,they drained him for personal gain year after year.They let him carry on taking paths that were really not the right ones,making bad decisions etc(when stopping him from doing exactly that is was what they were paid to do) because saying yes got them what they wanted in the end.
A statement from a friend of mine who knows Michael quite well
"it's sad,the people around him are leeches,I overheard things I won't ever repeat but believe me,they did not have his best interests at heart"
Michael trusted my friend with his life,I trust him with mine,he was disgusted in what he saw and heard and I think upset him quite a lot.
His children changed his life,they saved him and IMO I don't believe he would ever risk losing them,risk not seeing them grow up and let them down by not being the best father he could be because of drugs.
Do you think they wouldn't wonder why their daddy couldn't get out of bed or play with them?but he did....he did play with them,and eat 2meals a day with them,ate organic healthy food.
And like I have said in a previous comment,I do not see him leaving pills and viles lying around and being reckless when he had them in the house with him.
I'm angry.I need a cup of tea. Sin, come on now. This poster's been a fan of Michael foreeevvvvveerrrr. Clearly, he/she knows it all. /sarc Pass the tea girl!
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