Some one from this forum paste a page to me from another forum what i had said about the original poster
thankyou for opening my eyes . Let me make myself very clear i didnt try to debunk the report , I simply tried to point out few mistake he/she made because it was confusing everyone and among you were few members asking me my opinion about the original post , But it sadden me deeply how people judge someone , if some one would read the thread from the very beginning only then they will realise what i was trying to say , MY ONLY PURPOSE FOR WRITING THIS POST WAS TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT THE ORIGINAL POSTER WAS GIVING YOU FALSE HOPES by saying this report is FAKE,just because she consult from professior doesnt mean she is right , what about the person who has spent life with professiors and is in the medical field for years ? do you honestly think a layman can stand up and judge a physician by saying"" who is she and what is she ? I dont agree with what she said because it doesnt MAKE SENSE TO me " just because he/she didnt hear didnt read that FROM SOMEWHERE doesnt means things they dont make sense orthose things donot exist . DO SOME DECENT RESEARCH
anyways I know some people are and will always be like that I can only feel sorry for them .instead of keeping an open mind they want to live in denial , good for them
For rest of people thankyou for showing respect and love , I will miss some wonderful members I met .You are and will always be in my prayers . Godbless .
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The Coroner and Autopsy Report / Re: Debunking the Autopsy Report
September 12, 2010, 10:35:05 PMRandom MJ Talk / Re: The official "goodbye" thread
September 07, 2010, 01:52:08 PM@mykidsmom I am sad to see you leave , i really do , I wish i could send you pm like we did sometimes to let you know how much you will be missed . Please take care of yourself and all the very best in life ! My prayers are and will always be with you . God bless you .
The Coroner and Autopsy Report / Re: How Forensic medicine deals with deaths by drugs
September 05, 2010, 11:05:09 PM@ Curls and Paula-c , You are most welcome , yes they DO freeze the samples ! but for how long ,i dont know myself and would they show traces of Propofol still ,thats the question , someone from the forum misinterpret what Dr Murray and his lawyer asked for its called litigation package and they have right to demand for it unlike what was grossly misunderstood by most of members here including myself ,i knew there is no chance to get the fresh samples now , like I said in my earlier post , the sensible approach was to request for it at the time of autopsy or soon after release of report , it was known to Dr murray teams he had been charged with involuntary man slaughter whats the point of much delay ?
Below is the link from Amercian Board of Toxicology and 2006 guidelines 11-10 clearly define Litigation package , If any lawyer from the forum would elaborate it further .Godbless you all
The Coroner and Autopsy Report / How Forensic medicine deals with deaths by drugs
September 04, 2010, 06:37:37 PMFound this article , will give better insight of forensic medicine
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1680257-overviewOther Odd Things / Re: So....the L.A. Coroner Just Happened To.........
August 29, 2010, 10:08:07 PMI dont remember if Oxycontin was mention in the autopsy report , I reckon it wasnt , if he was taking Opioids , it had to be mentioned in the report , no doubt his drug addiction problem was largely exaggerated by the media , an excuse to administer Propofol to wean off Benzodiazepine ( Midazolam and Lorazepam ) is non-sense its antidote is Flumazenil not Propofol , and there is No antidote for Diprivan at all .
I dont know how will they proceed with the case,how Murray and his lawyers would justify themselves , for someone spending 14 years ( medical school, residency , fellow ship) in the medical field specially 7 years in Internal medicine can we expect of him making blunders like doing CPR for the first time with one hand , making a delay calling 911 in an acute emergency when he knew the patient was critical , doing things out side hospital set-up with no appropraite resuscitation devices in hand ,not being aware of when and what drugs should be given in which condition and requesting for bodyfluid analysis now ?
If my memory serves right ,didnt Murray earned his Cardiology degree from Texas , a State known for elite Cardiology institues like American Heart Association and the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center . The Southwestern Medical Center ranks among the top academic medical centers in the world .Unless a hoax ,there is , and should be NO escape for him
Other Odd Things / Re: So....the L.A. Coroner Just Happened To.........
August 29, 2010, 12:19:31 AMSomeone asked about the lipid deposition in adipose tissues i m quickly replying to that one , drugs acting on Central nervous system like anesthetics should have following properties
A. high lipid solubility.
to cross the blood brain barrier, a system that protects our brain from toxic subtances entrying freely and damage it
b. should have low blood solubility
the drugs with high lipid and low blood solubility have fast mode of action as well as fast metabolism and high potency , like i said Propofol is ULTRA SHORT acting anasthesia , it acts and leaves body and Doesnot deposit unless a very lethal dose is infused in to the system like in this case
@ Christiana I will highly appreciate if you do me a favour by asking a question to that physician because something confuses me , The doctor wrote " Also, Propofol undergoes oxidative degradation, in the presence of oxygen, and is therefore packaged under nitrogen to eliminate this degradation path "
but Propofol was already metabolised ,traces (metabolites )were found in tissues and body fluids how will they prevent its degradation ? does she mean the process is reversible ? as far as I remember its irreversible but I assume he/she must be in Nuclear medicine and more knowledgeable in this subject My opinion is , running tests
on those samples NOW is of no use specially if they are looking for propofol levels because it had already
been documented in the report , it was Acute Intoxication , a Lethal dose
Other Odd Things / Re: So....the L.A. Coroner Just Happened To.........
August 27, 2010, 09:31:10 PM@christiana , its okay i understand , thankyou for the post
i want to clear one more thing , the blood is preserved from live donors like blood banks in hospitals set up , they preserve it for future transfusion in any acute emergency but its preservation is different from autopsy, the transfusion bottle have anticoagulants, preventing blood clotting which occurs soon blood leaks out of vessels but in autopsy cases the body arrives hours after death , the process of blood contamination and autolysis started already , depending upon the temperature of surrounding at the time of death , but preservatives are also added in bottles used for autopsy to prevent further decomposition , i will give an example , let say the body arrives after 2 hours , the samples are drawn and sent to the forensic-lab , but by that times many electrolytes specially potassium will leak out of cells which normally stay inside , once circulation stops , lack of oxygen disrupts the cell membrane around the cells and the potassiuml leaks out giving a false negative result wilth high levels , same is the case with enzymes the chemicals which digest the cells of the body ( autolysis) hours after death ,for every organ the time line is very important , each of it decays in sepcific time ,another importance of time after death is decision making for body donation upon deceased wish and the cause of death is natural, a pathologistl makes a gross examination to see if the organ is alive means still capable of funtioning and safe it for donation , the bottom line.....timing is important from every aspect in the medical field , every second counts !
Other Odd Things / Re: So....the L.A. Coroner Just Happened To.........
August 27, 2010, 05:06:23 PMI wish if Murrays lawyers used some common sense by asking for samples AT THE TIME OF AUTOPSY not now like Ms Katherine made request for 2nd private autopsy she had her doubts which I understand completly and its her right . But whats the role of coroner then ? he is a neutral person who is responsible for maintaing chain-of-custody otherwise every day ever other person woulkd stand up and ask for seprate autopsy , the whole procedure is kept on record in a tape recorder , the forensic pathologist speak out loud and clear so that one of the person in the room write down everything he says , since its about Michael Jackson and the nature of the case , i believe they must be very very careful about each and everything ,the autopsy is routinely done within 3 hrs but it lasted for 7hrs so you can imagine now how hard they tried to note each and every minute detail , i already said earlier the body samples under various alises in the autopsy report were used to avoid getting bias reports ,same must be the case with histology slides they were not send to pathologist under name of Michael Jackson , and there is strong possibility all the samples were send to various hospitals or to the same pathologist many times not just one ,and it happen very often , all the reused medical equipment shouldnot go on auction , its pure insanity
Other Odd Things / Re: So....the L.A. Coroner Just Happened To.........
August 27, 2010, 12:03:24 PM@Christina Can you please send me the link to that article I want to read more, although the propofol was found in body fluids and they measured the drug level from aqueous humour already what they want more? aqueous -humour, the body fluid detects the propofol level most accurately and can be kept frozen and the slides for histopathology too but there is no use of preserving the blood specially as the cells break down releasing all the chemical contents including enzymes and electrolytes , for propofol the usual pathway of metabolism is through hydroxylation and glucuronidation by Cyt P450 system in liver and bile and finally excreted out through kidneys
Propofol is a water-immiscible oil basically , so is used as an emulsion of a soya oil/propofol mixture in water, this makes it appear as a highly opaque white fluid.
Other Odd Things / Re: So....the L.A. Coroner Just Happened To.........
August 26, 2010, 11:39:07 PMBy chance I log in today and read this article but are you sure coroner said he has preserved the sample for future analysis ???, i already said and still maintain, the propofol leaves the body very quickly hence the first urine and blood samples are very important from forensic point of view , i m really surprised if they are running test after 15months, due to rapid changes by autolysis, the old samples give false negative results and are discarded by the lab as the time is mention by staff or phlebotomist while the samples have been taken out from the body, thats why tests are always run on fresh samples, i m talking about the body fluids not tissue sample for histopathology , and by old samples means more than 48 hrs
for those interested to read more here are links
http://www.enotes.com/forensic-science/decomposition Hope that helps,GodblessKaren Faye / Re: Letter from Michael? Karen responds.
August 25, 2010, 10:20:40 PMDoes someone remember heismypeterpan update? the thread was locked , twitter account closed and a member related to that account some how friend or dont know exactly , left the forum ? remember she was planning to reveal herself to media to prove Mj wasnt perverted and some of her prediction comes true ? could it be her sending letters to media? fruit for thought
The Coroner and Autopsy Report / Re: Debunking the Autopsy Report
August 25, 2010, 03:30:41 PMHi
Just log in , yeah there is No chronic cerebral edma,unless patient suffers hydocephalus which rarely runs a chronic course but not as alone -entity .
cerebral edma is MOSTLY acute, 99% of the time ,cerebral edma can be a post matum finding too but in alive patient , presented with, projectile vomiting , severe headache etc etc.....
baseline , he didnt suffer from cerebral edma , atleast in life, hope that helps take care .
@ mj 291958
P.s why you thought its a silly question ?not at all , you keep an open mind for any possibility and its great you know I think you must be brilliant student in the past !
Michael's Health & Alleged Drug/Painkiller Addiction / Re: medical id bracelet
July 17, 2010, 08:22:27 PMDissociative identity disorder
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/dissoc ... rs/DS00574
Michael's Health & Alleged Drug/Painkiller Addiction / Re: medical id bracelet
July 17, 2010, 08:13:38 PMBody dysmorphic disorder for those who want to read
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/body-d ... er/DS00559
Michael's Health & Alleged Drug/Painkiller Addiction / Re: medical id bracelet
July 17, 2010, 08:01:23 PM@ Souza i m not sure if he suffered Dissociative identity disorder,but i heard Dr deepak saying he had Body dysmorphic disorder,